Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:34 AM - Aviation pic of the weekend (Dana Overall)
2. 06:48 AM - Eliminating glare in photos. (Ron Lee)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: [Bulk] Unfortunate Mistake (David Maib)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: Eliminating glare in photos. (Rob Prior (rv7))
5. 09:11 AM - 6a strut bolts (Charles Heathco)
6. 11:51 AM - Wing skin crack (Lonn Benson)
7. 01:02 PM - Re: Eliminating glare in photos. (RV6 Flyer)
8. 01:03 PM - Re: Unfortunate Mistake (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
9. 02:59 PM - Who has the highest time on their RV? (John Jessen)
10. 03:40 PM - Flying with an open canopy (Ron Olmstead)
11. 03:59 PM - Re: Flying with an open canopy (Konrad L. Werner)
12. 05:09 PM - Re: Flying with an open canopy (scott bilinski)
13. 05:12 PM - Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (RV6 Flyer)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Wing skin crack (Bob Collins)
15. 06:15 PM - Re: Wing skin crack (Darrell Reiley)
16. 06:30 PM - Re: Wing skin crack (Kevin Horton)
17. 06:55 PM - Re: Van's Wheel Fairings (dick martin)
18. 06:59 PM - Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (dick martin)
19. 07:19 PM - canopy latch (William Davis)
20. 08:43 PM - Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (gbrasch)
21. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (Henry)
22. 10:26 PM - Re: Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (mark phipps)
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| Subject: | Aviation pic of the weekend |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Leaving out of Clermont Co. (Sporty's Pilot Shop), we saw the trial version
of the federally funded Mexican border fence. Add a company of National
Guard and you have a portion of the border secured. What a hoot, look
close!!
http://rvflying.tripod.com/fence.jpg
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Eliminating glare in photos. |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
When I first started taking pictures from my plane I was not
aware of the effect of glare on the windshield or other similar
surfaces. Ideally you could position everything to still have
good lighting on the subject and no sun issues inside the
cockpit but it happens.
I am curious if anyone has found a way to eliminate reflections
such as dark/black towels/cloth over everything.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Unfortunate Mistake |
--> RV-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
Thanks to all for the help, suggestions, and advice. It now appears
that this won't be as big a job to repair as I initially feared. I
can't imagine building without these forums for information. BTW, my
wings are now properly secured to the cradle! ^_^
David Maib
RV-10 40559
tailcone (and right wing)
On Sep 17, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Steve Eberhart wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Find you a body man that is at least 60 years old. He will be able
to hammer that out to the point you won't be able to tell were the
damage was. It takes a good feel for what the metal is telling him
and a good eye. The younger bondo slingers just don't have the touch.
Steve Eberhart
60 year old RV-7A builder
Bob J. wrote:
> I've seen RV's with dents from bird strikes that weren't affected
> at all in flight by dents far bigger than that one, so I
> respectfully disagree with Kevin. I would make a form block out of
> wood and try to work the dent out as best as you can from the
> inboard side. If that doesn't work I'd remove the rib try to work
> it out that way, and make a custom rib or cover plate in the rib.
> If you're careful about how you remove the dent you will never
> notice it with paint on the airplane.
>
> I have a friend with an RV-8 that had a severe dent in the leading
> edge right on a rib, just outboard of the fuel tank. Much worse
> than this one. It was creased right along the rib. He had an old-
> timer metal man work the dent out, it took him all of 30 minutes to
> accomplish. I was there and watched him do it, he made a form
> block out of wood and gently pried it back into shape with a small
> bottle jack and some blocks of wood inside the wing against the
> spar (long story short). You cannot tell there was a dent, and
> there was no body filler used. It was a very creative fix!
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
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| Subject: | Re: Eliminating glare in photos. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 6:47:38 2006-09-18 Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> wrote:
> I am curious if anyone has found a way to eliminate reflections
> such as dark/black towels/cloth over everything.
Funny you mention that, someone just posted a link to a photo of the
"Mexican border fence" that has a lot of reflections in it, and I briefly
debated replying with some advice.
I've taken hundreds of photos from cockpits, and there isn't much you can
do in a low wing airplane with a bubble canopy. The best possible
situation is where the cockpit, all occupants, all occupants' clothing, and
all seatbelts and cockpit contents, are black. Black doesn't reflect much
in the windsreen. Anything not black will stand out if the sun hits it.
Next best is to drape a piece of black felt over everything in the cockpit,
but that gets warm and uncomfortable for the pilot after a while. Last,
but not least, is to get a deep rubber lens hood, and put it right against
the canopy, or very very close to the canopy. That will block any light
from hitting the part of the canopy right in front of the lens, hence
blocking said reflections. It does have a tendency to introduce vibration
to your shot, so plan on a high shutter speed (1/500-1/1000 sec).
A polarizer does work, sometimes, to remove reflections. The problem is
that it usually only polarizes light coming from one narrow angle range at
a time, and with a continuously curving canopy like on the RV's, you can't
block it all out. But you can block the worst of it.
Better yet, find a friend with a Cardinal for your air-to-air photography.
Pull the passenger-side door off, the front passenger seat out, and harness
yourself to the back seat supports. Works like a hot damn... no struts in
the way, no windows in the way, nothing. And it's a hell of a lot of fun.
:)
-Rob
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I thought I would pass this on FWIT. I spronged my nose wheel last thur
eve and was concerened about the result so I found two problems actually
I dont think were related. I thing no harm done on the sprong, but
Ifound that with the spacer washer on the axel, I had too much play on
bearings so I took it off which resulted it it being a bit tight, but
good and solid. I also found a bit of rotation on the nose strut in the
engine mount and when I checked the bolt, I found it not much more that
barley tight. I couldnt get a torque wrench on it so I tighted it to
estimated "Guttentite". I then checked the mains and found them also
pretty loose. You might want to check yours. Charlie Heathco
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Lonn Benson" <benson@mrsl.com>
Hello everyone,
I've been monitoring this list for several years now and have found it very
useful while building my -8QB. I have never felt the need to post anything
until now.
I received word that the owner/builder of an -8A in my local area,
(southwest Florida), has found a crack in the top skin of his left wing. The
plane has been flown approx. 500 hours and the crack is located just
outboard of the wing walk doubler, where the top skin is riveted to the rear
spar. Specifically, the crack has started where the top skin overlays the
doubler on the rear spar at the first rivet outboard of the doubler and has
propagated outboard through the next three rivets.
Has anyone else with higher time airframes noticed any skin cracks in this
area? Apparently the builder contacted Vans and they were unaware of any
problems from other builders and suggested that his skin might have
contained flaws in that area.
I am still several months away from final assembly and am wondering if I
should do anything to avoid this potential problem before I hang the wings.
Thanks,
Lonn Benson RV-8QB (#81666)
Osprey, Florida
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| Subject: | Eliminating glare in photos. |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Ron:
Nothing will get rid of 100% but a "Circular Polarizing" filter will remove
most of it.
http://www.offrench.net/photos/articles/polarizing_filter.php
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: RV-List: Eliminating glare in photos.
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
When I first started taking pictures from my plane I was not
aware of the effect of glare on the windshield or other similar
surfaces. Ideally you could position everything to still have
good lighting on the subject and no sun issues inside the
cockpit but it happens.
I am curious if anyone has found a way to eliminate reflections
such as dark/black towels/cloth over everything.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Unfortunate Mistake |
--> RV-List message posted by: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)
>"make a form block out of wood and try to work the dent out . . ."
To help prevent the soft aluminum from stretching when doing body work,
never use metal tools for both the hammer and dolly. If using a metal
dolly, use a wood or plastic type hammer; likewise, if using a metal
hammer, use a plastic or wood tool for a dolly. That will help prevent
the aluminum from stretching. A hammer made from Delrin is very useful
when working with aluminum.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139
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| Subject: | Who has the highest time on their RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
This may not be a question that folks want to answer, but after seeing
Gary's 1,951 plus on his RV-6 (I assume it's on one plane), I wonder who has
the most hours on their original bird? Anyone able to beat Gary?
John J
40328 (tailcone)
do not archive
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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| Subject: | Flying with an open canopy |
Has anyone ever asked vans if they are developing a slider that can stay
open in flight??
How about someone redesigning their slider to withstand open operation??
Sure seems like a logical next step for the vans line of aircraft......
This picture made me think of it...
- Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with an open canopy |
And to balance this proposed open cockpit for RV's, you would need
bombs hanging under the RV too!!! I'd be all for it...
----- Original Message ----- do not archive
From: Ron Olmstead
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:39 PM
Subject: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy
Has anyone ever asked vans if they are developing a slider that can
stay open in flight??
How about someone redesigning their slider to withstand open
operation??
Sure seems like a logical next step for the vans line of
aircraft......
This picture made me think of it...
- Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with an open canopy |
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| Subject: | Who has the highest time on their RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
10 years ago, Bob Larcel RV-3, had over 2,700 hours same RV-3.
Paul Rosales RV-6A N628PV = 2,500 hours same airplane and ENGINE.
3 years ago, Keith Livingston RV-4, 2,400 hours
There are more, 3 years ago at Homecoming, they asked who had the highest
time RVs, There were 4 or 5 RVs at Homecoming that year with more time that
I did.
I am still trying to catch them.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----Original Message Follows----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Subject: RV-List: Who has the highest time on their RV?
--> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
This may not be a question that folks want to answer, but after seeing
Gary's 1,951 plus on his RV-6 (I assume it's on one plane), I wonder who has
the most hours on their original bird? Anyone able to beat Gary?
John J
40328 (tailcone)
do not archive
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I don't have the answer, but I do have a question. Why would someone wait on
a crack and watch it gobble up three rivets rather than stop drill it right
away?
Bob
Do Not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lonn Benson
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wing skin crack
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lonn Benson" <benson@mrsl.com>
Hello everyone,
I've been monitoring this list for several years now and have found it very
useful while building my -8QB. I have never felt the need to post anything
until now.
I received word that the owner/builder of an -8A in my local area,
(southwest Florida), has found a crack in the top skin of his left wing. The
plane has been flown approx. 500 hours and the crack is located just
outboard of the wing walk doubler, where the top skin is riveted to the rear
spar. Specifically, the crack has started where the top skin overlays the
doubler on the rear spar at the first rivet outboard of the doubler and has
propagated outboard through the next three rivets.
Has anyone else with higher time airframes noticed any skin cracks in this
area? Apparently the builder contacted Vans and they were unaware of any
problems from other builders and suggested that his skin might have
contained flaws in that area.
I am still several months away from final assembly and am wondering if I
should do anything to avoid this potential problem before I hang the wings.
Thanks,
Lonn Benson RV-8QB (#81666)
Osprey, Florida
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--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I've seen this happen with holes not being deburred
before being dimpled. A slight tear can occur when the
dimple is set and then the crack can follow the line
of the rivets or take another direction. Also, an
incorrect matching angle issue from the rear spar to
the skin can cause excess stress.
Darrell Reiley
RV7A "Reiley Rocket"
N622DR Reserved
N469RV Reserved
CenTex_RV_Aircraft-owner@yahoogroups.com
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin crack |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Lonn Benson" <benson@mrsl.com>
>
> Has anyone else with higher time airframes noticed any skin cracks
> in this
> area? Apparently the builder contacted Vans and they were unaware
> of any
> problems from other builders and suggested that his skin might have
> contained flaws in that area.
>
> I am still several months away from final assembly and am wondering
> if I
> should do anything to avoid this potential problem before I hang
> the wings.
I've been a subscriber to the RV-List since 1997, and the Yahoo RV-8
list (and it predecessors) since it was first created. This is the
first report I can recall of a crack in any of the wing skins. I
think there was something unique about this situation. Either some
damage, or a builder error, or some other major event that caused
this. I wouldn't make any changes in this area. Trying to add more
material to beef up the structure may change the load paths, and put
more stress somewhere else. You could easily make more problems than
you solve.
Build on.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Wheel Fairings |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Barry,
I had Vans pants installed and flying first. I fitted Sam James pants and
flew them. Inorder to determine the performance, which appeared to be
faster, I reinstalled Vans pants and flew them and then removed them and
flew the Sam James pants an hour later. The James pants were approx 5 knot
faster +/- l knot..
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's Wheel Fairings
> --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/29/06 10:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> martin@gbonline.com writes:
>
> The Custom III series has a much stiffer tred and side casing and holds
> its
> shape even with a hard landing.
>
>> I tried Vans pressure recovery pants first and then went to Sam James
>> pressure recovery pants because they went faster and looked better.
>> Good luck with your project.
>> Dick Martin
>> RV8 N233M
> =========================
> Dick:
>
> I can understand the looking better part. But, how much faster and how
> did
> you determine that?
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Listers,
I cannot beat Gary, but I do have 1385 hours on my RV8 with 300 plus on my
IO390X Lycoming engine with an
Aero Composites Prop.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: RV-List: Who has the highest time on their RV?
> --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> This may not be a question that folks want to answer, but after seeing
> Gary's 1,951 plus on his RV-6 (I assume it's on one plane), I wonder who
> has
> the most hours on their original bird? Anyone able to beat Gary?
>
> John J
> 40328 (tailcone)
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>
>
>
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RV-8 Builders,
I still have some of the RV-8 canopy latches available.
For a complete write up & pix, see Sam Buchanan's web site
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/rv8-latch.html
All info there is still current except for the E mail address
new address is below.
Bill
William Davis
rvpilot@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: "gbrasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
What about Mike Seager?
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Finishing #90623
Tucson, Arizona
Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles
http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62449#62449
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| Subject: | Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Henry <aeroncadoc@comcast.net>
Some of those blackjack squadron guys based up at Arlington airport in
WA probably have gobs of hours. Don't know that any of them are on-line,
but someone might know.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
gbrasch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "gbrasch" <gbrasch@earthlink.net>
>
> What about Mike Seager?
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Finishing #90623
> Tucson, Arizona
> Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles
> http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62449#62449
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? |
When I flew transition training in Vans "Ol Blue" RV6A with Mike Seager in August
05, it had over 6000 hours on it and was on its third or fourth engine.
Henry <aeroncadoc@comcast.net> wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Henry
Some of those blackjack squadron guys based up at Arlington airport in
WA probably have gobs of hours. Don't know that any of them are on-line,
but someone might know.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
gbrasch wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "gbrasch"
>
> What about Mike Seager?
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Finishing #90623
> Tucson, Arizona
> Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles
> http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62449#62449
>
>
>
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