---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/19/06: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:18 AM - Re: Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (Jason Hills) 2. 04:45 AM - Re: Eliminating glare in photos. (glen matejcek) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR) 4. 06:44 AM - Superior Engine Discount (Snow, Daniel A.) 5. 07:54 AM - EGT Probe position (Dana Overall) 6. 08:10 AM - Re: Flying with an open canopy (Jeff Point) 7. 08:35 AM - Re: EGT Probe position (FLYaDIVE@AOL.COM) 8. 09:30 AM - Re: EGT Probe position (HCRV6@comcast.net) 9. 10:20 AM - Re: Flying with an open canopy (Vincent Osburn) 10. 10:25 AM - Re: Wing skin crack (Charlie Kuss) 11. 11:22 AM - () 12. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Flying with an open canopy (Jerry Springer) 13. 04:57 PM - xPanel feedback (Larry E. James) 14. 05:43 PM - Re: Wing skin crack (Jim Peoples) 15. 05:43 PM - Re: canopy latch (William Davis) 16. 06:49 PM - Re: EGT Probe position (Dana Overall) 17. 08:40 PM - Flying with an open canopy (blue6@centurytel.net) 18. 10:46 PM - Transponder (Dennis Jones) 19. 10:50 PM - Re: Re: Flying with an open canopy (Bob Perkinson) 20. 11:37 PM - Re: Flying with an open canopy (Jeff Point) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:09 AM PST US From: Jason Hills Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Who has the highest time on their RV? --> RV-List message posted by: Jason Hills Black jack founder (co-founder?) Marty Foy's RV-4 had just under 2000 hours on engine & plane when I got the chance to ride with him doing formation aerobatics last October. I believe he was planning an engine overhaul over the winter. On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:08 PM, Henry wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: Henry > > Some of those blackjack squadron guys based up at Arlington airport > in WA probably have gobs of hours. Don't know that any of them are > on-line, but someone might know. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > gbrasch wrote: >> --> RV-List message posted by: "gbrasch" >> >> What about Mike Seager? >> >> -------- >> Glenn Brasch >> RV-9A Finishing #90623 >> Tucson, Arizona >> Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles >> http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62449#62449 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:24 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE: Eliminating glare in photos. --> RV-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" Hey All- This thread got me to thinking- (scarry, huh?) Does anyone know of an anti-reflective coating that could be applied to the canopy? Being able to get rid of random reflections would not only be really cool for photography, but also for simple daily aviation... Especially at night! >I am curious if anyone has found a way to eliminate reflections >such as dark/black towels/cloth over everything. > >Ron Lee glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Who has the highest time on their RV? From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" I put 2008 Hrs on my first RV (N925RV), then sold it. I've already put over 700 Hrs on the second one... Fred Stucklen RV-6A N926RV Building an RV-7 --> RV-List message posted by: "John Jessen" < jjessen@rcn.com> This may not be a question that folks want to answer, but after seeing Gary's 1,951 plus on his RV-6 (I assume it's on one plane), I wonder who has the most hours on their original bird? Anyone able to beat Gary? John J 40328 (tailcone) do not archive Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:18 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Superior Engine Discount From: "Snow, Daniel A." --> RV-List message posted by: "Snow, Daniel A." Superior is discounting its XP engines by $500 and providing free shipping in the US for orders placed before the end of the month. I haven't read any threads recently about their engines, and haven't read anything at all about their new XP-0320. I've been planning all along to purchase an Aerosport engine, but this deal is tempting. Without starting a LONG discussion of engines, does anyone want to give me some reasons for not going with this engine? Thanks, Daniel Snow RV-9A, Canopy Pell City, Alabama ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:05 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: EGT Probe position --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" I'm getting ready to drill the holes in my Vetterman exhaust for installation of the Dynon supplied EGT probes. The intake tubes eliminate positioning the probes pointing directly rearward so some offset is needed. What is the desired positioning of the probe, ie., probe pointing outside of the intake tubes or inside the intake tube. My thoughts are to go inside of the tubes, making a cleaning wire run to the thermocouple harness wires. Any thoughts, pics or other ideas? Also, on my exhaust the #1 exhaust has a elbow bend about 2" below the flange. To position the probe on a flap spot I have to go past the bend. The distance brings the other three probes right at the intersection points of the joints. If they are within say, two inches of #1 but 2,3 & 4 are the same distance surely I won't have a noticable difference in actual EGT between #1 and the other 3. Care to comment?? Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get.live.com/spaces/features ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:03 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy Here's one. Maybe someone knows the pilot and can ask him about it.... Jeff Point RV-6 flying RV-8 preview plans Milwaukee ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:44 AM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV-List: EGT Probe position --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 9/19/06 10:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bo124rs@hotmail.com writes: > The distance brings the other three probes right at the intersection points > of the joints. If they are within say, two inches of #1 but 2,3 & 4 are the > same distance surely I won't have a noticable difference in actual EGT > between #1 and the other 3. Care to comment?? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 ========================== Dana: The EGT is only a reference item. So as long as you keep the reference the same on all probes you will do OK. What is meant by reference is that when comparing to other peoples systems the readings will vary. Just try to keep the probe location as uniform as posable on your system. Yes, 1 & 2" differences will be noticed. Also difference will be noted between cylinders especially on Lycoming engines that are carboratored since the spider distribution system is extremely poor. Barry "Chop'd Liver" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:02 AM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: EGT Probe position FWIW I placed my #1 EGT probe just above the bend in the Vettermann exhaust, also on an O-360A1A BTW, which put it just about 2 inches down from the exhaust port and located the others at the same distance. All the probes point aft and slightly outboard to provide clearance for removing plugs. This has worked out very well for me so far. I believe you will get more useful information relative to engine performance if the probes are located the same distance from the exhaust ports. Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 265 hours -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dana Overall" > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" > > I'm getting ready to drill the holes in my Vetterman exhaust for > installation of the Dynon supplied EGT probes. The intake tubes eliminate > positioning the probes pointing directly rearward so some offset is needed. > What is the desired positioning of the probe, ie., probe pointing outside of > the intake tubes or inside the intake tube. My thoughts are to go inside of > the tubes, making a cleaning wire run to the thermocouple harness wires. > Any thoughts, pics or other ideas? > > Also, on my exhaust the #1 exhaust has a elbow bend about 2" below the > flange. To position the probe on a flap spot I have to go past the bend. > The distance brings the other three probes right at the intersection points > of the joints. If they are within say, two inches of #1 but 2,3 & 4 are the > same distance surely I won't have a noticable difference in actual EGT > between #1 and the other 3. Care to comment?? > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 > http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live > Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get > .live.com/spaces/features > > > > >
FWIW I placed my #1 EGT probe just above the bend in the Vettermann exhaust, also on an O-360A1A BTW, which put it just about 2 inches down from the exhaust port and located the others at the same distance.  All the probes point aft and slightly outboard to provide clearance for removing plugs.  This has worked out very well for me so far.  I believe you will get more useful information relative to engine performance if the probes are located 
the same distance from the exhaust ports.
 
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 265 hours
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>

> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
>
> I'm getting ready to drill the holes in my Vetterman exhaust for
> installation of the Dynon supplied EGT probes. The intake tubes eliminate
> positioning the probes pointing directly rearward so some offset is needed.
> What is the desired positioning of the probe, ie., probe pointing outside of
> the intake tubes or inside the intake tube. My thoughts are to go inside of
> the tubes, making a cleaning wire run to the thermocouple harness wires.
> Any thoughts, pics or other ideas?
>
> Also, on my exhaust the #1 exhaust has a elbow bend about 2" below the
> flange. To position the probe on a flap spot I have to go past the bend.
&g cs Lis on
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:52 AM PST US From: "Vincent Osburn" Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy You could swap out the entire canopy. Great Fun! Do Not Archive ? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:46 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing skin crack It can also happen when the builder dimples directly on the pre-punched #42 size hole. If the hole is below #40 size, small micro cracks can be formed during the dimpling process. The same thing happens when dimpling #19 holes for #8 machine screws. When dimpling for a #8 screw, open the hole up to a #17 size drill. Ask me how I know this! :-( Charlie Kuss >--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley > >I've seen this happen with holes not being deburred >before being dimpled. A slight tear can occur when the >dimple is set and then the crack can follow the line >of the rivets or take another direction. Also, an >incorrect matching angle issue from the rear spar to >the skin can cause excess stress. > > > Darrell Reiley > RV7A "Reiley Rocket" > N622DR Reserved > N469RV Reserved > > CenTex_RV_Aircraft-owner@yahoogroups.com > > >__________________________________________________ > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:16 AM PST US ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:15 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer >From: Jeff Point Where did you get that picture? I took that picture in about 1971 of Van in his RV-3 flying along side of my VW powered Chris Tena Minicope. I was inspired to build a RV when Van would come by me and do loops around me. I knew that someday I would build an RV. Well it took till 1987 for me to start and 1989 to make the first flight but I am still flying my RV-6 18 years later. I see people with high times but I only have about 1200 hours on mine in 18 years. Jerry >Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 10:07:22 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy >Here's one. Maybe someone knows the pilot and can ask him about it.... > >Jeff Point >RV-6 flying >RV-8 preview plans >Milwaukee ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:55 PM PST US From: "Larry E. James" Subject: RV-List: xPanel feedback Is there any more feedback on xPanel ?? Is this a viable product to design an instrument panel in ?? Larry E. James Bellevue, WA Super Decathlon HR2 - under construction - fuselage ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:04 PM PST US From: Jim Peoples Subject: RE: RV-List: Wing skin crack Section 5E of the -7 manual contains a caution about the potential for cracks to develop from pre-punched holes that are not match drilled... drilling removes shear marks left by the punch process. "... removing the shear marks is important because if left alone, the skin can crack around the hole due to the stretching caused by the dimple dies. This cracking may not be apparent for several years after many hours of vibrations and flight cycles." jp --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:04 PM PST US From: "William Davis" Subject: RE: RV-List: canopy latch Hi Terry, Thanks for the order, the latch will go dhip the next day Bill William Davis rvpilot@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Watson Sent: 9/19/2006 2:31:14 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: canopy latch Bill, If you want to sell your canopy latches, you might disable your spam filter that rejects all emails from people not on your approved list. Terry Do not archive From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Davis Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: RV-List: canopy latch RV-8 Builders, I still have some of the RV-8 canopy latches available. For a complete write up & pix, see Sam Buchanan's web site http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/rv8-latch.html All info there is still current except for the E mail address new address is below. Bill William Davis rvpilot@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:08 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: EGT Probe position --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" Thanks gang, got lots of emails off list with pics and some showed exactly what I needed. As always..........great gang, Thanks. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:32 PM PST US From: blue6@centurytel.net Subject: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy --> RV-List message posted by: blue6@centurytel.net Hey Vincent John took me up in his 4 with the open cockpit once. What a blast and windy. He was always having fun doing things like that. What a great guy. Dwain ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:53 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Transponder From: "Dennis Jones" --> RV-List message posted by: "Dennis Jones" What is a strobe input/output for a transponder/encoder? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62693#62693 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:55 PM PST US From: "Bob Perkinson" Subject: RE: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" FAA Registry N-Number Inquiry Results N17RV is Assigned Aircraft Description Serial Number 173 Type Registration Corporation Manufacturer Name VANGRUNSVEN Certificate Issue Date 01/07/2000 Model RV-3 Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50214137 MFR Year 1971 Fractional Owner NO Registered Owner Name EAA AVIATION FOUNDATION INC Street PO BOX 3065 City OSHKOSH State WISCONSIN Zip Code 54903-3065 County WINNEBAGO Country UNITED STATES Looks like this airplane is in the EAA museum now. Bob Perkinson -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Jerry Springer >From: Jeff Point Where did you get that picture? I took that picture in about 1971 of Van in his RV-3 flying along side of my VW powered Chris Tena Minicope. I was inspired to build a RV when Van would come by me and do loops around me. I knew that someday I would build an RV. Well it took till 1987 for me to start and 1989 to make the first flight but I am still flying my RV-6 18 years later. I see people with high times but I only have about 1200 hours on mine in 18 years. Jerry >Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 10:07:22 CDT >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy >Here's one. Maybe someone knows the pilot and can ask him about it.... > >Jeff Point >RV-6 flying >RV-8 preview plans >Milwaukee ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:03 PM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Flying with an open canopy --> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point Jerry, I wish I could remember. It was on somebody's website. I've had it for quite a few years, and kind of forgot about it until this thread got me thinking. And, yes, I know it was Van. I didn't know that you took it though. It is a cool pciture. Jeff do not archive >Where did you get that picture? > > >