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1. 02:40 AM - Windscreen frame (Clive Whittfield)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Windscreen frame (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
3. 12:14 PM - Re: Windscreen frame (Clive Whittfield)
4. 03:05 PM - (Derek Bohn)
5. 03:10 PM - RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Derek Bohn)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: Choice (Ed Anderson)
7. 03:56 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Kevin Horton)
8. 04:23 PM - RV7A Wing attaching tips? (Bobby Hester)
9. 04:30 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (JOHN STARN)
10. 04:52 PM - Re: RV7A Wing attaching tips? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
11. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen frame (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
12. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen frame (Tim Bryan)
13. 05:12 PM - Vision Microsystems - oil pressure problem (Tim Bryan)
14. 05:19 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Bruce Gray)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen frame (Doug Gray)
16. 06:20 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Doug Gray)
17. 06:43 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Bruce Gray)
18. 07:40 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Charlie England)
19. 07:54 PM - Re: Mission specific/fiber glass (Frank Stringham)
20. 08:43 PM - Re: (Dan Beadle)
21. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen frame (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
22. 08:58 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
23. 09:05 PM - Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT (Jeff Point)
24. 09:10 PM - IO-360 B1E?? (Charlie England)
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| Subject: | Windscreen frame |
Listers
Having trouble matching the screen frame to the canopy (slider) frame.
After careful measuring and ensuring correct positioning and alignment
of mounting points etc it would appear that my screen frame is
distorted. I am not talking about a slight bend here, it appears as
though one side of the frame has been cut too long before the mounting
plate was welded in place. The result is that one side sits about 0.5
inch higher than the other. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there
a fix for this, or is it something I will just have to work around? All
suggestions gratefully received.
Clive Whittfield
New Zealand
RV6 - fuselage well on the way
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen frame |
Cliff, The slider frame will have a tube on each side in the lower front
to accept your track wheels. On my frame each side was quite a bit
longer than needed and can be shortened.
A 1/2 inch should be no problem to accomplish but I wouldn't do
this until all the other fitting points seem to be coming into spec. I
trimmed these tubes a little at a time until the overall fit came right
in.
Tom in Ohio (RV6-A)
----- Original Message -----
From: Clive Whittfield
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Windscreen frame
Listers
Having trouble matching the screen frame to the canopy (slider) frame.
After careful measuring and ensuring correct positioning and alignment
of mounting points etc it would appear that my screen frame is
distorted. I am not talking about a slight bend here, it appears as
though one side of the frame has been cut too long before the mounting
plate was welded in place. The result is that one side sits about 0.5
inch higher than the other. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there
a fix for this, or is it something I will just have to work around? All
suggestions gratefully received.
Clive Whittfield
New Zealand
RV6 - fuselage well on the way
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen frame |
Thanks Tom. Yes I understand the need to adjust the height of the
canopy frame to suit, and using spacers under the canopy where needed
etc. It just appears that the screen frame (roll bar) is the culprit
here. I have sat it upright on a dead flat bench and measured the
heights at various points. When comparing one side to the other, this
is where that 0.5 inch difference shows up. Even my mark one eyeball
tells me it looks like the frame has been 'pushed to one side'. The
support bar mount is still centred tho' so I'm pretty sure any attempts
to simply heat and bend would cause other problems. This looks like it
would need cutting, reshaping and welding. Do all RV6 roll bars have
this degree of variation in their shape, or am I worrying about nothing
and should I simply ignore and adjust/ shim canopy to suit?
Clive in NZ
Subject: Re: Windscreen frame
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin (tcervin@valkyrie.net)
Date: Sat Sep 23 - 6:54 AM
Cliff, The slider frame will have a tube on each side in the lower front
to accept your track wheels. On my frame each side was quite a bit
longer than needed and can be shortened.
A 1/2 inch should be no problem to accomplish but I wouldn't do
this until all the other fitting points seem to be coming into spec. I
trimmed these tubes a little at a time until the overall fit came right
in.
Tom in Ohio (RV6-A)
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--> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
on the company websites it seems the
RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
very nice performance, especially considering the
lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
RV.
Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
information about these.
Financial stability and customer service factors seem
to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
assess.
Thanks
Derek
(no flames intended)
>From the company websites:
RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
Fast Build Cost
$25,705 $38,500 $42,544
(no slow build avail.)
V Cruise @ 8000ft.
205mph 220mph 210mph
(200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
Payload(full fuel)
448lb 360lb 596lb
Range @ 8000ft.
755sm 1450sm 1009sm
Solo ROC
2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
Solo TO/Landing Roll
250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
Baggage Capacity
100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.
ft.
Cabin Width"/ Height"
43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
on the company websites it seems the
RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
very nice performance, especially considering the
lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
RV.
Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
information about these.
Financial stability and customer service factors seem
to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
assess.
Thanks
Derek
(no flames intended)
>From the company websites:
RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
Fast Build Cost
$25,705 $38,500 $42,544
(no slow build avail.)
V Cruise @ 8000ft.
205mph 220mph 210mph
(200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
Payload(full fuel)
448lb 360lb 596lb
Range @ 8000ft.
755sm 1450sm 1009sm
Solo ROC
2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
Solo TO/Landing Roll
250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
Baggage Capacity
100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.ft.
Cabin Width"/ Height"
43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
__________________________________________________
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
I went through the same process and came up with the same candidates back in
1991. The glass birds looked sexy and fast, but just would not provide me
with an aircraft that would do what I wanted to do. The RV did provided
what I was looking for and at a lower cost.
The first thing that you must decide on before deciding on an aircraft - is
what type of flying do you want to do. I wanted to be able to comfortable
get into the occasional short grass strip. I wanted an aircraft that had a
reasonably slow stall speed in cause I ever had to put it down in a field
engine-out. I wanted an aircraft that had a reasonable top speed and range
for cross country. At my age 3 1/2 hours is about all I want to spend in the
air before a break.
I think people choose the glass birds because they meet the type of flying
they wish to do. Also so folks feel more comfortable working with
composites than they do metal. Both come in retractable gear versions which
appeals to some folks. But, basically I think people choose aircraft which
pleases them and their pocket book }:>).
FWIW
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Bohn" <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:04 PM
> --> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>
> I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
> is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
> fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
> on the company websites it seems the
> RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
> similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
> Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
> fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
> more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
>
> So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
> the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
> TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
> very nice performance, especially considering the
> lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
> RV.
>
> Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
> is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
> information about these.
> Financial stability and customer service factors seem
> to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
> assess.
>
> Thanks
> Derek
> (no flames intended)
>
>
>>From the company websites:
>
> RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
>
> Fast Build Cost
> $25,705 $38,500 $42,544
> (no slow build avail.)
>
>
> V Cruise @ 8000ft.
> 205mph 220mph 210mph
> (200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
>
>
> Payload(full fuel)
> 448lb 360lb 596lb
>
>
> Range @ 8000ft.
> 755sm 1450sm 1009sm
>
>
> Solo ROC
> 2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
>
>
> Solo TO/Landing Roll
> 250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
>
>
> Baggage Capacity
> 100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.
> ft.
>
>
> Cabin Width"/ Height"
> 43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
On 23 Sep 2006, at 18:09, Derek Bohn wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>
> I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
> is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
> fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
> on the company websites it seems the
> RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
> similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
> Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
> fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
> more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
>
> So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
> the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
> TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
> very nice performance, especially considering the
> lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
> RV.
>
> Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
> is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
> information about these.
> Financial stability and customer service factors seem
> to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
> assess.
1. Look into the implications of the building material for each of
the aircraft and think about what type of construction you want.
Composite construction implies many hundreds of hours sanding and
filling. Some people are prone to developing allergies to some resins.
2. Visit with some local builders to learn more about how each type
of aircraft is built. The more local builders you can find, the
better, as they will be a useful resource when you have questions, or
need some assistance.
3. Go for a flight in each of the candidate aircraft so you can
decide whether you like the performance and handling.
4. Don't be surprised if everyone on the RV-List tells you to build
an RV. We're not exactly unbiased.
Why do some people choose the Lancair or Glasair? Some people are
attracted to the more curvy designs that composite construction
allows. Some people put a higher importance on cruise speed than
they do on the total performance package (i.e. stall speed, take off
and landing distances, climb performance, cruise performance). Some
people want to fly something unique, and RVs are becoming the new
Cessna - i.e. every airport seems to have a bunch of them.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | RV7A Wing attaching tips? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
I am ready to attach the wings for the last time. I have one in place
with the temp bolts holding it in place. I want to put the close
tolerance bolts in tommarow.
Can someone give me the tips that I need to know? It looks like I will
have to start with the bottom outboard 1/4 bolt I know that I will have
to start the nut as soon as I can before tapping the bolt all the way
in. I have the bolts in the freezer. I read that I should not torque the
bolts untill they are at room temp.. Am I going to be able to get on the
nuts to torque them once all the nuts are on?
--
My new email address: bobbyhester@charter.net
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A N857BH SB wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
We have several metal, rag & tube, wood based & composite aircraft in our
Chapter (EAA #768) at APV. From what I have heard over the years there is
two questions you must answer:
Do you really, really LOVE sanding, sanding & sanding some more ? ?.
Does fiberglass of any type....insulation etc. make you itch ? ?
HRII N561FS & awaiting the RV-12 KABONG (GBA & GWB)
Fiberglass is for Corvettes (driving my 7th one) RV cowls & tips.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Bohn" <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
> --> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>
> I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
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| Subject: | Re: RV7A Wing attaching tips? |
Bobby,
Bend the joggle in the fuel lines and put them in at the same time. Its
almost impossible to get an acceptable job with the gear brackets in place.
Don't put the bolts in the freezer if humidity will cause water droplets on
them. I didn't use the freezer at all, so this is new to me with respect to
the wing. Let us know if it works.
Get the plans out and put washers only where it calls for them. As I recall
all the wing bolts all go in from the rear, but the washers are on the back
at the bottom.
Put the big bolts (7/16 inch) in first. If you have your temporary bolts in
now leave one in until you put your other close tolerance bolt in. I'm
afraid you'll overstress the small bolt if you put one of them in first.
Grease all of them along the unthreaded length so that you can torque the
bottom ones from the rear side. There is no way to do it from the front.
There is just enough room to get an open end wrench on to hold the nut on the
bottom bolts. I would only torque to the standard values even though there is
some friction, it shouldn't be that much.
Don't be afraid to tap them with a hammer using a piece of hardwood to
protect the bolt head. Or use a plastic hammer.
Have someone hold the wing tip up a little to unload the bolts from the
torque of the wing weight. You can feel when the bolt frees up as you tap it
in.
Don't forget the "extra" two bolts in each wing that only go into the
nutplates.
All of the above IMHO. Hope maybe this helps.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 9/23/2006 7:24:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bobbyhester@charter.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
I am ready to attach the wings for the last time. I have one in place
with the temp bolts holding it in place. I want to put the close
tolerance bolts in tommarow.
Can someone give me the tips that I need to know? It looks like I will
have to start with the bottom outboard 1/4 bolt I know that I will have
to start the nut as soon as I can before tapping the bolt all the way
in. I have the bolts in the freezer. I read that I should not torque the
bolts untill they are at room temp.. Am I going to be able to get on the
nuts to torque them once all the nuts are on?
--
My new email address: bobbyhester@charter.net
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
RV7A N857BH SB wings-QB Fuse-XPO360 engine :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen frame |
Clive, Mine fit pretty well but I have heard of people pulling in the
sides.....fit was too wide. Shimming the canopy and-or combinations of
both.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: Clive Whittfield
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Windscreen frame
Thanks Tom. Yes I understand the need to adjust the height of the
canopy frame to suit, and using spacers under the canopy where needed
etc. It just appears that the screen frame (roll bar) is the culprit
here. I have sat it upright on a dead flat bench and measured the
heights at various points. When comparing one side to the other, this
is where that 0.5 inch difference shows up. Even my mark one eyeball
tells me it looks like the frame has been 'pushed to one side'. The
support bar mount is still centred tho' so I'm pretty sure any attempts
to simply heat and bend would cause other problems. This looks like it
would need cutting, reshaping and welding. Do all RV6 roll bars have
this degree of variation in their shape, or am I worrying about nothing
and should I simply ignore and adjust/ shim canopy to suit?
Clive in NZ
Subject: Re: Windscreen frame
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin (tcervin@valkyrie.net)
Date: Sat Sep 23 - 6:54 AM
Cliff, The slider frame will have a tube on each side in the lower front
to accept your track wheels. On my frame each side was quite a bit
longer than needed and can be shortened.
A 1/2 inch should be no problem to accomplish but I wouldn't do
this until all the other fitting points seem to be coming into spec. I
trimmed these tubes a little at a time until the overall fit came right
in.
Tom in Ohio (RV6-A)
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen frame |
I would discuss this live with Van's. If it is irregular beyond their QC
maybe they will just send you another one.
Tim
RV-6 Would be flying tomorrow if my address change didn't put a kink in my
airworthiness application. Dang!
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clive Whittfield
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Windscreen frame
Thanks Tom. Yes I understand the need to adjust the height of the canopy
frame to suit, and using spacers under the canopy where needed etc. It just
appears that the screen frame (roll bar) is the culprit here. I have sat it
upright on a dead flat bench and measured the heights at various points.
When comparing one side to the other, this is where that 0.5 inch difference
shows up. Even my mark one eyeball tells me it looks like the frame has
been 'pushed to one side'. The support bar mount is still centred tho' so
I'm pretty sure any attempts to simply heat and bend would cause other
problems. This looks like it would need cutting, reshaping and welding. Do
all RV6 roll bars have this degree of variation in their shape, or am I
worrying about nothing and should I simply ignore and adjust/ shim canopy to
suit?
Clive in NZ
Subject:
Re: Windscreen frame
From:
Tom & Cathy Ervin (
<mailto:tcervin@valkyrie.net?subject=Re:%20Windscreen%20frame&replyto=008f01
c6df17$975c2c80$ae419c0c@your4dacd0ea75> tcervin@valkyrie.net)
Date:
Sat Sep 23 - 6:54 AM
Cliff, The slider frame will have a tube on each side in the lower front
to accept your track wheels. On my frame each side was quite a bit
longer than needed and can be shortened.
A 1/2 inch should be no problem to accomplish but I wouldn't do
this until all the other fitting points seem to be coming into spec. I
trimmed these tubes a little at a time until the overall fit came right
in.
Tom in Ohio (RV6-A)
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| Subject: | Vision Microsystems - oil pressure problem |
Hi Listers,
I have a Vision Microsystems VM-1000 installed in my RV-6. I have no oil
pressure reading as it just flashes 0's. I pulled the connector and checked
the pins and location but don't see a problem. The sender is mounted on the
firewall with an aero quip hose up to it. VM is apparently NOT available
for calls or support. Any ideas on what I can check? Thanks
Tim
RV -6
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| Subject: | RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Hee...Hee. I can still blow your doors off, inverted.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
We have several metal, rag & tube, wood based & composite aircraft in our
Chapter (EAA #768) at APV. From what I have heard over the years there is
two questions you must answer:
Do you really, really LOVE sanding, sanding & sanding some more ? ?.
Does fiberglass of any type....insulation etc. make you itch ? ?
HRII N561FS & awaiting the RV-12 KABONG (GBA & GWB)
Fiberglass is for Corvettes (driving my 7th one) RV cowls & tips.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Bohn" <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
> --> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>
> I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
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--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Clive,
Vans response to these type of questions is usually to 'just make it
fit'. This is easy to say for someone who has the skills and experience.
It may also be something for which they would consider replacing the
part. You should call.
Do you have the canopy frame installed yet?
I am about to install my own RV-6 canopy and I intend to get the canopy
frame fitted to the fuselage shape before I worry about the roll bar.
Right now I can see I will need to do a lot of work to get it within the
1/16" to 1/8" as called out on SC-2.
For both parts I fully expect to have my welder make some 'adjustments'.
Some local builders have needed to add a small section of tube to the
frame, yours is the first roll bar I have heard that may need some
serious adjustment. Just be certain the change is exactly what you want
before getting the work done.
I'm sure you could make it fit the way it is, but judging from your
comments this may not be the right solution for you.
Having said all that, by eyeball my roll bar looks pretty right in width
and symmetry. Famous last words.
Doug Gray (in OZ)
On Sun, 2006-09-24 at 07:10 +1200, Clive Whittfield wrote:
> Thanks Tom. Yes I understand the need to adjust the height of the
> canopy frame to suit, and using spacers under the canopy where needed
> etc. It just appears that the screen frame (roll bar) is the culprit
> here. I have sat it upright on a dead flat bench and measured the
> heights at various points. When comparing one side to the other, this
> is where that 0.5 inch difference shows up. Even my mark one eyeball
> tells me it looks like the frame has been 'pushed to one side'. The
> support bar mount is still centred tho' so I'm pretty sure any
> attempts to simply heat and bend would cause other problems. This
> looks like it would need cutting, reshaping and welding. Do all RV6
> roll bars have this degree of variation in their shape, or am I
> worrying about nothing and should I simply ignore and adjust/ shim
> canopy to suit?
>
> Clive in NZ
>
>
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| Subject: | RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
HRII has no doors... must've already blown off!
Re Glasair build times, check the glasair website, the builders log
pages list build times. Might have to subscribe for $45 a year to read
them though.
Osh 2006 Glasair dinner cancelled due lack of interest.
How many RV builders have lost their money due kit non delivery? Ans:
Zero
The Glasair is a fantastic aeroplane, no question. Why is it not as
successful as it should be? Read the body language.
Doug Gray
Flameproof suit is on.
On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 20:18 -0400, Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Hee...Hee. I can still blow your doors off, inverted.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:30 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> We have several metal, rag & tube, wood based & composite aircraft in our
> Chapter (EAA #768) at APV. From what I have heard over the years there is
> two questions you must answer:
>
> Do you really, really LOVE sanding, sanding & sanding some more ? ?.
> Does fiberglass of any type....insulation etc. make you itch ? ?
>
> HRII N561FS & awaiting the RV-12 KABONG (GBA & GWB)
> Fiberglass is for Corvettes (driving my 7th one) RV cowls & tips.
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Bohn" <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:09 PM
> Subject: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
>
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| Subject: | RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
OK, we do take longer to build than those pop rivet kits, but the end result
is worth it. Can you do an outside loop in your RV? The dinner was cancelled
for other reasons.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gray
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
HRII has no doors... must've already blown off!
Re Glasair build times, check the glasair website, the builders log
pages list build times. Might have to subscribe for $45 a year to read
them though.
Osh 2006 Glasair dinner cancelled due lack of interest.
How many RV builders have lost their money due kit non delivery? Ans:
Zero
The Glasair is a fantastic aeroplane, no question. Why is it not as
successful as it should be? Read the body language.
Doug Gray
Flameproof suit is on.
On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 20:18 -0400, Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Hee...Hee. I can still blow your doors off, inverted.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:30 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
>
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
>
> We have several metal, rag & tube, wood based & composite aircraft in our
> Chapter (EAA #768) at APV. From what I have heard over the years there is
> two questions you must answer:
>
> Do you really, really LOVE sanding, sanding & sanding some more ? ?.
> Does fiberglass of any type....insulation etc. make you itch ? ?
>
> HRII N561FS & awaiting the RV-12 KABONG (GBA & GWB)
> Fiberglass is for Corvettes (driving my 7th one) RV cowls & tips.
> Do Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Bohn" <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:09 PM
> Subject: RV-List: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Derek Bohn wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>
>I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
>is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
>fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
>on the company websites it seems the
> RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
>similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
>Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
>fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
>more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
>
>So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
>the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
>TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
>very nice performance, especially considering the
>lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
>RV.
>
>Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
>is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
>information about these.
>Financial stability and customer service factors seem
>to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
>assess.
>
>Thanks
>Derek
>(no flames intended)
>
As others have pointed out, mission & building material choice should be
driving factors, with support & business reputation/history
overshadowing even those items.
One thing you didn't list in your comparison is stall speed. I looked at
all three when I was younger & uneducated. As I got a bit older & better
educated, I got a bit more focused on analyzing 'best worst case'
scenarios. Back when I got serious about making a selection, an
engine-out, off-airport landing in any of the Lancairs would have had
about the same result as an off-airport landing in a twin (death). The
Glasairs were highly variable, depending on model. Supposedly, the old
G-1's had a tolerable landing speed if built light; I can't remember
about the 2, & the 3 was as bad as, or worse than, the Lancairs.
Just one more thing to consider as you make your selection.
Charlie
(hoping I never hear that Van is selling to an investment group)
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| Subject: | RE: Mission specific/fiber glass |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Derek
Determine your future aircraft mission. This will give you the info to
decide which to build.
Decide if you want to work with metal or fiber glass. I have done both. I
prefer metal.
They are all great aircraft and you probably would enjoy the whole process
with any of the three.
And last but not least. Utility to cost ratio................$$$$$$$$$$$
Talks
Frank @SGU and SLC
>From: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
>
>I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
>is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
>fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
>on the company websites it seems the
> RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
>similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
>Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
>fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
>more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
>
>So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
>the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
>TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
>very nice performance, especially considering the
>lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
>RV.
>
>Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
>is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
>information about these.
>Financial stability and customer service factors seem
>to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
>assess.
>
>Thanks
>Derek
>(no flames intended)
>
>
> >From the company websites:
>
>RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
>
>Fast Build Cost
>$25,705 $38,500 $42,544
> (no slow build avail.)
>
>
>V Cruise @ 8000ft.
>205mph 220mph 210mph
>(200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
>
>
>Payload(full fuel)
>448lb 360lb 596lb
>
>
>Range @ 8000ft.
>755sm 1450sm 1009sm
>
>
>Solo ROC
>2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
>
>
>Solo TO/Landing Roll
>250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
>
>
>Baggage Capacity
>100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.
>ft.
>
>
>Cabin Width"/ Height"
>43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
>
>
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>
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For me, an RV builder, my decision process went as follows:
* While I am pretty confident in my ability, I have never built an
airplane, so mainstream was important.
* I am not fond of fiberglass work (there is still plenty in the
RV).
* I had never done aluminum work. So I went to a 2 day EAA riveting
class. I did well, confidence soared. I CAN DO THIS.
* I didn't want an orphan. Van's has the most flying airplanes in
the experimental world. But your other choices are also mainstreams. For
me, oddballs with perhaps better performance, were not considered for the
first plane.
* I looked at the accident data. Being a perfect pilot :-) - I
didn't worry about stupid pilot trick types of accidents - I looked for
wings falling off, unexplained failures, etc. Van's looked good.
I am about 70% complete. Van's instructions have mistakes, but the support
network is great - both from the factory and the lists.
I suspect that you will do well with whatever kit you pick. It is a long
journey (for me, it will be 15 months - and that is pretty fast). You need
to pick the plane that you can see yourself flying in the long run.
Hope this helps. See my blog at www.mykitlog.com/danbeadle and you will get
an idea of the ups and downs of my project.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Derek Bohn
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject:
--> RV-List message posted by: Derek Bohn <ctnyfl@yahoo.com>
I am trying to choose between these three aircraft. It
is my first time building, and am leaning towards the
fast build versions. In looking at the specifications
on the company websites it seems the
RV is considerably less expensive, yet they all have
similar cabin size, baggage capacity and airspeed. The
Legacy and Glassiar do have more range due to higher
fuel capacity, however I really wouldn't want to go
more than 4 hours without stopping anyway.
So my question basically is, why does anyone choose
the Lancair or Glassair? The Legacy's ROC and
TO/Landing numbers are far worse. The Glassair has
very nice performance, especially considering the
lower hosepower, but not for a 65% premium over the
RV.
Am I missing anything? Building time and complexity
is a factor also, but I haven't found any reliable
information about these.
Financial stability and customer service factors seem
to favor Vans, though , again, that is difficult to
assess.
Thanks
Derek
(no flames intended)
>From the company websites:
RV7a Legacy FG Glassair SII FT
Fast Build Cost
$25,705 $38,500 $42,544
(no slow build avail.)
V Cruise @ 8000ft.
205mph 220mph 210mph
(200hp, cs prop) (210mph, cs prop) (180mph,?cs prop
Payload(full fuel)
448lb 360lb 596lb
Range @ 8000ft.
755sm 1450sm 1009sm
Solo ROC
2450fpm 1700fpm 2700fpm
Solo TO/Landing Roll
250/350ft 1500/900ft not lsited
Baggage Capacity
100lb/12 cu. ft. 90lb/ ? cu. ft. 100lb./12 cu.
ft.
Cabin Width"/ Height"
43/ 42 43/44.5 42/ ? height
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen frame |
In a message dated 09/23/2006 4:28:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
cazw@ihug.co.nz writes:
Do all RV6 roll bars have this degree of variation in their shape, or am I
worrying about nothing and should I simply ignore and adjust/ shim canopy to
suit?
>>>
Hi Clive- You might best leave the monster rollbar as is and make the frame
match it, since re-bending the smaller tubes will result in less hernias and
insanity. These frames will typically have to be beat, bashed, stomped, cussed
at, hootchie-cood and occasionally sweet-talked into shape. As a matter of
fact, I spent the better part of yesterday doing all of the above on a -7.
Fear not, there is help a mouse-click away. Take a look at Mike Schipper's
excellent description of how he wrestled his frame into submission:
http://www.my9a.com/finish6.asp
I've seen other descriptions, but this seems typical- an archive search will
expose many horror stories and a great deal of help...
>From The Possumworks in TN (USA)
Mark Phillips http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
In a message dated 09/23/2006 8:45:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
OK, we do take longer to build than those pop rivet kits, but the end result
is worth it.
>>> (sound of gauntlet hitting floor...)
Pop rivets? We don't need no STEENKING pop rivets!!!
C'mon, folks- try one of each on for size and build whatever floats yer boat.
Mark do not archive 8-)
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a v. Legacy FG v. Glassair SII FT |
--> RV-List message posted by: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Bruce Gray wrote:
>Hee...Hee. I can still blow your doors off, inverted.
>
>Bruce
>
>
There are three Glasair builders in my EAA chapter. After hanging
around with them for years, I've learned something about Glasairs.
Namely, how does every challange from a Glasair guy begin?...
"Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well, when I get MY Glasair done, we'll race,
and then ....."
Jeff Point
RV-6 flying
RV-8 preview plans
Milwaukee
do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
A quick search of the archives turned up a couple of guys using this
engine on -8s; is anyone using one on a -7 taildragger?
Any major issues? Apparently, this engine has a rear facing injector. Is
this a major disadvantage?
Thanks,
Charlie
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