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1. 02:14 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (RAS)
2. 02:24 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (RAS)
3. 03:43 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (RV6 Flyer)
4. 04:07 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Dana Overall)
5. 04:39 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
6. 05:27 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Dana Overall)
7. 05:52 AM - Re: Engine pre-heat & cell phone (N395V)
8. 06:13 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Kelly McMullen)
9. 08:16 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Dana Overall)
10. 08:16 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06 (Thomas Phy)
11. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06 (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
12. 08:52 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 ()
13. 09:44 AM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Darrell Reiley)
14. 10:54 AM - Stick Transfer function (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
15. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06 (Tim Bryan)
16. 12:16 PM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Dana Overall)
17. 12:47 PM - Re: Stick Transfer function (Richard Tasker)
18. 01:41 PM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Tim Bryan)
19. 01:51 PM - Re: Stick Transfer function (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 02:25 PM - Re: Calculate altimeter setting from barometric pressure. (Mike Robertson)
21. 03:57 PM - Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Bob Collins)
22. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Tim Bryan)
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30. 07:40 PM - Re: 6/6A getting in and out (sarg314)
31. 07:57 PM - Re: Stick Transfer function (Bill Schlatterer)
32. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 (Larry Bowen)
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
Hi,
I've looked up the AD, the AD states :
( )HC-( )2Y( )-( ) series propellers with non- suffix serial number (SN)
propeller hubs installed on Lycoming O-, IO-, LO-, and AEIO-360 series
reciprocating engines.
The Vans props do have the suffix:" -1BF", this should mean that the
props from Vans are exempt from this AD. It is somewhat confusing due to
the manner the model number is given as there are two positions for the
suffix.
An interesting note on the side for haa haa's, the proposal docket lists
an aplicability list at the bottom and the Robinson R22 is listed!!
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
Has anyone else seen this AD from Hartzell? As I read it, it applies
to the HC-C2YR-1BF/F7496 props we purchased from Vans and is an
inspection of the front hub to look for cracks that apparently resulted
in a blade seperation from an aircraft. This appears to be an
expensive, repetitive AD requiring eddy testing etc. Can one of our
A&Ps check into this?
Thanks...
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
HI again,
the props from Van's are not HC- but C- , this is not covered by this
AD.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
Has anyone else seen this AD from Hartzell? As I read it, it applies
to the HC-C2YR-1BF/F7496 props we purchased from Vans and is an
inspection of the front hub to look for cracks that apparently resulted
in a blade seperation from an aircraft. This appears to be an
expensive, repetitive AD requiring eddy testing etc. Can one of our
A&Ps check into this?
Thanks...
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Incorrect.
The props from Van's are:
HC C2YL-1BF
HC C2YK-1BF
HC C2YR-1BF
The AD applies.
Check your serial number. The A and B hub have A or B after the serial
number.
Gary A. Sobek
A&P
DAR
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,951 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
HI again,
the props from Van's are not HC- but C- , this is not covered by this AD.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
Has anyone else seen this AD from Hartzell? As I read it, it applies to
the HC-C2YR-1BF/F7496 props we purchased from Vans and is an inspection of
the front hub to look for cracks that apparently resulted in a blade
seperation from an aircraft. This appears to be an expensive, repetitive AD
requiring eddy testing etc. Can one of our A&Ps check into this?
Thanks...
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>I've looked up the AD, the AD states :
>( )HC-( )2Y( )-( ) series propellers with non- suffix serial number (SN)
>propeller hubs installed on Lycoming O-, IO-, LO-, and AEIO-360 series
>reciprocating engines.
It applies to the serial number. Look at that, if it ends in A or B, this
AD does not apply. If it is only a serial number with no A or B sub, it
applies to certified aircraft. These are hubs sold prior to 1991, Van's
current hubs are not covered by this AD.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
The prop shop says mine is not affected due to S/N suffix "B". Read the AD
closely.
Doug Preston
RV-7
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
HC C2YL-1BF
HC C2YK-1BF
HC C2YR-1BF
Just remember guys, these are the model numbers, the YL is an 0320 hub and
this AD does not apply as it is only directed at 0360's. The K & R are 360s.
You have to look at your serial number, not the model number. Clean
serial number, AD applies, A or B sub this AD does not apply. The FXXXX
after the model number only applies to the style prop blades.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Engine pre-heat & cell phone |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N395V" <n395v@hughes.net>
Contact Chris at
cschuerm@cox.net
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64227#64227
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
What you list are model numbers. What is critical is the Hub Serial
Number, not the model. If it was produced after 1991 it will have an A
or B suffix on the serial number.
There are no letters after the A or B. I haven't looked at applicability
for O-320s, but for O-360s and IO360s using the compact hub it applies
if the hub is the old plain serial number with no letter suffix.
KM
A&P/IA
Dana Overall wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
>
> HC C2YL-1BF
> HC C2YK-1BF
> HC C2YR-1BF
>
> Just remember guys, these are the model numbers, the YL is an 0320 hub
> and this AD does not apply as it is only directed at 0360's. The K & R
> are 360s. You have to look at your serial number, not the model
> number. Clean serial number, AD applies, A or B sub this AD does not
> apply. The FXXXX after the model number only applies to the style prop
> blades.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:12:04 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>
>What you list are model numbers. What is critical is the Hub Serial Number,
>not the model.
Seems to me that is what I said:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
>From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:12:04 -0600
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>
>What you list are model numbers. What is critical is the Hub Serial Number,
>not the model. If it was produced after 1991 it will have an A or B suffix
>on the serial number.
>There are no letters after the A or B. I haven't looked at applicability
>for O-320s, but for O-360s and IO360s using the compact hub it applies if
>the hub is the old plain serial number with no letter suffix.
>KM
>A&P/IA
>Dana Overall wrote:
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>HC C2YL-1BF
>>HC C2YK-1BF
>>HC C2YR-1BF
>>
>>Just remember guys, these are the model numbers, the YL is an 0320 hub and
>>this AD does not apply as it is only directed at 0360's. The K & R are
>>360s. You have to look at your serial number, not the model number. Clean
>>serial number, AD applies, A or B sub this AD does not apply. The FXXXX
>>after the model number only applies to the style prop blades.
>>
>>
>>Dana Overall
>>Richmond, KY i39
>>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
>>http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>>do not archive
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and morethen map the best
>>route! http://local.live.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Phy" <thomphy@msn.com>
Hey Tim,
First, Congrat's on getting the airworthy cert!
Now, for the prop. Do you know for sure that you have a hollow crankshaft?
One of our local chapter members, had the same problem. Signed off, ready to
fly, can't cycle the prop!!!! Did every check known to man, only to find out
the engine guys put the wrong crankshaft in his engine!!! R&R engine,
replaced crankshaft, and the prop now cycles just fine.
Hope that's not your case. But you have to pull the prop to make sure.
Thomas Phy
RV-7 rotary
> Hello Listers,
>
> My -6 just got its airworthy cert today. I took it out and fueled it plus
> taxi tested it. I did a run-up and found very little change when I cycle
> the prop. How do I begin to determine the problem with this?
>
> Thanks for any input
> Tim
> RV-6
> N616TB
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06 |
Tim,
I am not an expert, but here's how I'd approach the problem. First I would
give it plenty of time. The first cycle takes maybe 15 seconds to fill the
prop. Go to at least 1800 RPM to be sure you're within the range of the
prop/governor. Go to 2000 if that doesn't work. If that doesn't cause the prop
to cycle, then I would put a pressure gauge in the prop line. My governor
adaptor has a plug where this could be done. I would use 1/8 inch copper tubing
to a 500 psi gauge into the cockpit. I don't know what the pressure should
be exactly, maybe 150 psi or so. Perhaps someone else on the list knows.
Or, a call to Hartzell would probably get you an answer. If you have pressure
and the prop doesn't increase pitch and slow the engine RPM, then maybe
Thomas is right -- the crank is wrong, or not set up for constant speed. Does
it
have a soft plug installed for a fixed pitch? Do you remember what the
crankshaft looked like before you installed the prop?
Best wishes, and let us know what you find out.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 9/27/2006 11:18:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
thomphy@msn.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Phy" <thomphy@msn.com>
Hey Tim,
First, Congrat's on getting the airworthy cert!
Now, for the prop. Do you know for sure that you have a hollow crankshaft?
One of our local chapter members, had the same problem. Signed off, ready to
fly, can't cycle the prop!!!! Did every check known to man, only to find out
the engine guys put the wrong crankshaft in his engine!!! R&R engine,
replaced crankshaft, and the prop now cycles just fine.
Hope that's not your case. But you have to pull the prop to make sure.
Thomas Phy
RV-7 rotary
> Hello Listers,
>
> My -6 just got its airworthy cert today. I took it out and fueled it plus
> taxi tested it. I did a run-up and found very little change when I cycle
> the prop. How do I begin to determine the problem with this?
>
> Thanks for any input
> Tim
> RV-6
> N616TB
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
---- Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> >I've looked up the AD, the AD states :
> >( )HC-( )2Y( )-( ) series propellers with non- suffix serial number (SN)
> >propeller hubs installed on Lycoming O-, IO-, LO-, and AEIO-360 series
> >reciprocating engines.
>
> It applies to the serial number. Look at that, if it ends in A or B, this
> AD does not apply. If it is only a serial number with no A or B sub, it
> applies to certified aircraft. These are hubs sold prior to 1991, Van's
> current hubs are not covered by this AD.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
Dana,
I seem to recall an earlier recurrent inspection on the Hartzell CS hubs. I believe
that it was for revision A. Do you know any more about that? Where on the
hub do you locate the serial number? I've found 3 different numbers on my hub.
One is the model number. One of the other numbers starts with HC, the third
with the letter P.
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
Problem solved... buy yourself a fixed pitched
Sensenich and put the rest of the money back in the
money market account... ;-)
Darrell
--- Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
> <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15
> 09/25/06
> >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:12:04 -0600
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen
> <kellym@aviating.com>
> >
> >What you list are model numbers. What is critical
> is the Hub Serial Number,
> >not the model.
>
>
>
> Seems to me that is what I said:-)
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> >From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15
> 09/25/06
> >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:12:04 -0600
> >
> >--> RV-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen
> <kellym@aviating.com>
> >
> >What you list are model numbers. What is critical
> is the Hub Serial Number,
> >not the model. If it was produced after 1991 it
> will have an A or B suffix
> >on the serial number.
> >There are no letters after the A or B. I haven't
> looked at applicability
> >for O-320s, but for O-360s and IO360s using the
> compact hub it applies if
> >the hub is the old plain serial number with no
> letter suffix.
> >KM
> >A&P/IA
> >Dana Overall wrote:
> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall"
> <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>HC C2YL-1BF
> >>HC C2YK-1BF
> >>HC C2YR-1BF
> >>
> >>Just remember guys, these are the model numbers,
> the YL is an 0320 hub and
> >>this AD does not apply as it is only directed at
> 0360's. The K & R are
> >>360s. You have to look at your serial number, not
> the model number. Clean
> >>serial number, AD applies, A or B sub this AD does
> not apply. The FXXXX
> >>after the model number only applies to the style
> prop blades.
> >>
> >>
> >>Dana Overall
> >>Richmond, KY i39
> >>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> >>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> >>http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> >>do not archive
> >>
>
>>_________________________________________________________________
> >>Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and
> morethen map the best
> >>route! http://local.live.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Stick Transfer function |
Howdy again-
Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker
switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.
Next question. I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions
from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means. About 8 wires minimum
(4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd). I would prefer a simple switch as opposed to
using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no source for an 8PDT
switch.
Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way
to do this?
THANKS!
Mark Phillips do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06 |
Thanks all for the input on this prop issue. I will be checking it out
further when I get back in town on Saturday. This morning I went to do
this, but had a dead battery. Building took it's toll on it so now I get to
have a new one.
I am a tail wheel guy so I will not allow the plane to go over on its nose.
I can tie it down if need be. As I remember, the crank had a red plastic
plug stuck in it when it arrived from Aero Sport. I removed it and
installed the prop. I am pretty sure I would have noticed if they had a
hard plug in there, but if I can't get it to go then I will remove the prop
to double check. I did hear it after a couple of times cycle start to drop
the RPM, but it wasn't as much as I was expecting. It must be getting at
least some oil.
Anyway, I will update the list Saturday afternoon when I get a chance to
check it with a good battery.
Thanks again
Tim
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 48 Msgs - 09/26/06
Tim,
I am not an expert, but here's how I'd approach the problem. First I would
give it plenty of time. The first cycle takes maybe 15 seconds to fill the
prop. Go to at least 1800 RPM to be sure you're within the range of the
prop/governor. Go to 2000 if that doesn't work. If that doesn't cause the
prop to cycle, then I would put a pressure gauge in the prop line. My
governor adaptor has a plug where this could be done. I would use 1/8 inch
copper tubing to a 500 psi gauge into the cockpit. I don't know what the
pressure should be exactly, maybe 150 psi or so. Perhaps someone else on
the list knows. Or, a call to Hartzell would probably get you an answer.
If you have pressure and the prop doesn't increase pitch and slow the engine
RPM, then maybe Thomas is right -- the crank is wrong, or not set up for
constant speed. Does it have a soft plug installed for a fixed pitch? Do
you remember what the crankshaft looked like before you installed the prop?
Best wishes, and let us know what you find out.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 9/27/2006 11:18:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
thomphy@msn.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Phy" <thomphy@msn.com>
Hey Tim,
First, Congrat's on getting the airworthy cert!
Now, for the prop. Do you know for sure that you have a hollow crankshaft?
One of our local chapter members, had the same problem. Signed off, ready to
fly, can't cycle the prop!!!! Did every check known to man, only to find out
the engine guys put the wrong crankshaft in his engine!!! R&R engine,
replaced crankshaft, and the prop now cycles just fine.
Hope that's not your case. But you have to pull the prop to make sure.
Thomas Phy
RV-7 rotary
> Hello Listers,
>
> My -6 just got its airworthy cert today. I took it out and fueled it plus
> taxi tested it. I did a run-up and found very little change when I cycle
> the prop. How do I begin to determine the problem with this?
>
> Thanks for any input
> Tim
> RV-6
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Charlie, look on the side opposite from the model number. The model number
is probably going to be on what I call the neck of the hub. The serial
number is going to the on the flat surface more towards where the front and
back halves join. It will be stamped in both the front and rear halves.
That number is either going to be just a set of numbers or it will end in A
or B. As stated the non sub serial numbered hubs were manufactured prior to
91 and have a different radius from shoulder to neck among other things.
This AD only applies to non A or B. The A is a prior model than the B.
Anyway, the compliance cost on this AD is really minimal. Not really
something to go up in arms about. If I'm not mistaken the A & B are
referred to, in hangar talk, as wide shoulder hubs. If you are still
confused and can shot me an email with a couple up close jpgs, fire away.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
>From: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 8:52:01 -0700
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
>
>---- Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > >I've looked up the AD, the AD states :
> > >( )HC-( )2Y( )-( ) series propellers with non- suffix serial number
>(SN)
> > >propeller hubs installed on Lycoming O-, IO-, LO-, and AEIO-360 series
> > >reciprocating engines.
> >
> > It applies to the serial number. Look at that, if it ends in A or B,
>this
> > AD does not apply. If it is only a serial number with no A or B sub, it
> > applies to certified aircraft. These are hubs sold prior to 1991, Van's
> > current hubs are not covered by this AD.
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY i39
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> > do not archive
>
>Dana,
> I seem to recall an earlier recurrent inspection on the Hartzell CS hubs.
>I believe that it was for revision A. Do you know any more about that?
>Where on the hub do you locate the serial number? I've found 3 different
>numbers on my hub. One is the model number. One of the other numbers starts
>with HC, the third with the letter P.
>Charlie Kuss
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stick Transfer function |
--> RV-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I don't think you are going to find a toggle with that many poles.
However, assuming that you really want to do this, a rotary switch would
do what you want with no problem. You would almost assuredly have to
solder to it as finding a switch with that many poles with screw
connections is unlikely nowadays.
Try Mouser #690-C4D0806N-A
(http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?Ntt=690-C4D0806N-A) for example.
Dick Tasker
Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> Howdy again-
>
> Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker
> switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.
>
> Next question. I am investigating how to swap all stick switch
> functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.
> About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd). I would prefer a
> simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to
> think there is no source for an 8PDT switch.
>
> Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a
> simpler way to do this?
>
> THANKS!
> Mark Phillips do not archive
>
>*
>*
>
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| Subject: | Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Charlie,
My prop (HC-C2YK-1BF) has a serial number of CH35210B. The "B" suffix
exempts it from the AD. See if you can find a number like this.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chaztuna@adelphia.net
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:52 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: <chaztuna@adelphia.net>
>
>
> ---- Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > >I've looked up the AD, the AD states :
> > >( )HC-( )2Y( )-( ) series propellers with non- suffix serial number
> (SN)
> > >propeller hubs installed on Lycoming O-, IO-, LO-, and AEIO-360 series
> > >reciprocating engines.
> >
> > It applies to the serial number. Look at that, if it ends in A or B,
> this
> > AD does not apply. If it is only a serial number with no A or B sub, it
> > applies to certified aircraft. These are hubs sold prior to 1991, Van's
> > current hubs are not covered by this AD.
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY i39
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> > do not archive
>
> Dana,
> I seem to recall an earlier recurrent inspection on the Hartzell CS hubs.
> I believe that it was for revision A. Do you know any more about that?
> Where on the hub do you locate the serial number? I've found 3 different
> numbers on my hub. One is the model number. One of the other numbers
> starts with HC, the third with the letter P.
> Charlie Kuss
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Stick Transfer function |
As far as trim functions go you can look into something like this:
http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/tcm.html
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Buldus Interuptus
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: Stick Transfer function
Howdy again-
Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker
switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.
Next question. I am investigating how to swap all stick switch
functions from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means.
About 8 wires minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd). I would prefer a
simple switch as opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to
think there is no source for an 8PDT switch.
Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler
way to do this?
THANKS!
Mark Phillips do not archive
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| Subject: | Calculate altimeter setting from barometric pressure. |
Amit,
I am embarrassed to say that I have not been able to find a copy of that ma
nual/order that you want. I would suggest calling the Airway Facilities br
anch in Renton, WA.
Mike
> From: amitdagan@hotmail.com> To: rv-list-digest@matronics.com> Subject: R
V-List: Calculate altimeter setting from barometric pressure.> Date: Tue, 2
6 Sep 2006 07:51:54 -0700> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Amit Dagan" <a
mitdagan@hotmail.com>> > // convert the sensed pressure to the altimeter se
tting:> //> // http://www.srh.noaa.gov/elp/wxcalc/formulas/altimeterSetting
.html> //> // Alt = (p - 0.3) * (1 + K * (h / (p - 0.3)^^E))^^(1.0 / E)>
// E = 0.190284;> // K = 1013.25^^E * 0.0065 / 288 = 8.4229e-5> /
/> // where> //> // p = station pressure in millibars> // h = station e
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Maybe I've missed it in the thread somewhere, but is there a link to the AD?
Do not archive
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64378#64378
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06 |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
I found it in the recurring biweekly AD # 2006-19 Here is the link:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/MainFrame
?OpenFrameSet
Click on the topmost link on the right
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:56 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Hartzell AD 2006-18-15 09/25/06
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Maybe I've missed it in the thread somewhere, but is there a link to the
> AD?
>
> Do not archive
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64378#64378
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cleveland tail wheel |
I've been staring at nose wheels for the past 6 years so please excuse my
ignorance but I just looked at two Cleveland tail wheels and noticed that
what looks like a zerk grease fitting is just a hole to the center of the
wheel. Looks like a sealed bearing on each side. Seems like an odd set up to
me. Any insight would be appreciated.
John Furey
2 RV6A
RV7 in process
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| Subject: | Re: Mission specific/fiber glass |
--> RV-List message posted by: "deuskid" <empire.john@gmail.com>
You might want to also cosider:
Lightning Aircraft
LSA compliant and full experimental version
Lightning forum:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=64
website:
http://www.arionaircraft.com/
a short description and pilots impression:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=12480
like everything ... there are trade offs involved but it is about the cost of a
RV-9 and can be built in months not years.
ymmv
John
Read this topic online here:
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--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Testing for return... Please do not archive and delete now. KABONG
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| Subject: | Re: Cleveland tail wheel |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
John Furey wrote:
> I've been staring at nose wheels for the past 6 years so please excuse my
> ignorance but I just looked at two Cleveland tail wheels and noticed that
> what looks like a zerk grease fitting is just a hole to the center of the
> wheel. Looks like a sealed bearing on each side. Seems like an odd set up to
> me. Any insight would be appreciated.
It is indeed an odd setup since the bearings are sealed. That's about
all the insight I can provide. :-)
Sam Buchanan (RV-6 and three sets of sealed tailwheel bearings in ~800 hrs)
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| Subject: | Re: hammer? no no no it was the gun |
--> RV-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
I have a lathe and a mill in my basement, full size
shop lathe. If you want, I can turn just about
anything you want. No charge other than mailing.
Email me at dnellis@wowway.com if interested. I live
in Michigan.
Dave Nellis
--- davcor@comcast.net wrote:
> Dan,
> This is the pic from your CD that got me going...
> Forgive the novel...
>
> I took the same shaft and used a transfer punch to
> mark the center. To do this I took some 3" tape,
> wrapped (sticky side out) around the end, used the
> nearest diameter punch, whack! I then put the shaft
> in a machinist vice (held vertical in "v" groove),
> went to the drill press and drilled a pilot hole,
> and snuck up on the shaft size of the die.
> I'm going to make another, or see if I can get a
> longer shaft from Bob Avery maybe talk him into
> making it for me. Nah, I'll just order it and ask
> around at the chapter to see if someone has a lathe.
> I have the little taig lathe like Tom Emery's but
> it's just too small, the shaft will not got theough
> the chuck-race. Ok, nomenclature nomenclature I
> know, the hole that goes therough the chuck...
>
> Bottom line, I need to do a more precise job as the
> die is a little offset.
>
> When I wrote 45 min, it was actually faster.
>
> The compressor is 20' from the final filter & reg.
> The reg at the compressor was at 30#, The hose from
> the final filter was about 20' too so I'm estimating
> that I had 20# at the gun, was pretty quiet.
>
> I locked the collar onto the shaft, spring under the
> colar. need/want about 2" more on the shaft.
>
> Works great! Dimples are crisp and all the same.
> Center section skin looked great till I couldn't
> wait for a helper and rivited the skin myself in a
> couple hrs. Tried backriveting with a dumbell
> bucking bar, but ended up just using the swivel set
> and a "T" shaped bucking bar underneath.
>
> Oh well, when I was worrying about my rudder, I
> looked at one of the Vans planes at a Colorado
> fly-in. I got on the ground and was eyeballing the
> line looking up. I think it was Scott who walked
> over and said, 'I know what you're looking at, don't
> worry about it, just press on. And besides if you
> get too close and personal like this with other
> builders planes, ya might get your fingers stepped
> on'.
> Anyhow, given that I have a few of these spots, I'm
> toying with getting a (very) small decal made that
> says 'Caution, if you can read this, you're too
> close, the builder/owner is about to step on your
> hand' ;^)
>
> Dave
> 719.660.6665 (cell) if you want to talk it over
> rather than just email tag
>
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> Are you using your rivet gun to dimple with the
> C-frame? Which shaft/attachment are you using?
> Please enlighten me... ;-) I do use my C-frame to
> rivet, but only with the shaft that has the
> flush/solid end...and only with a hammer (so far!).
> Interested in finding out your method with the rivet
> gun & C-frame.
>
> FWIW, I would love to have a DRDT-2. Maybe for my
> next project I'll buy one if the budget permits.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D "Priorities"
> www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: davcor@comcast.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:35 PM
> Subject: RV-List: But wait...Re: DRDT-2 Table
>
>
> Hi,
> Many techniques to consider...
>
> Ya know, I wish I had paid more attention to Dan
> Checkoway's web contents as I watched him finish his
> plane. Then I bought his CD and reviewed as I was
> building, when I got to the centersection prep
> steps, Dan has a great picture showing the rivet gun
> and C-Frame to buck a few rivets.
> A few weeks later as I needed to dimple the
> centersection bottom skins, dreading getting my
> elbow fired up again (swinging the dead-blow), I
> said... I wonder... dimpled the scenter section in
> 45 min! I wish I knew this when I dimpled the wing
> skins...
>
> So while I lusted after the DRDT-2 as being
> obviously easier on the elbow, the C-Frame works
> great, set the air down, use two hands to move the
> skin in-progress, one-hand reach and pull the
> trigger... ya can get a real rhythm going...
>
> Dave Cordner
> RV7 - N898DC (rsvd)
> center section joined, side skins drilled,
> (fast) dimple party on skins this weekend ;^)
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> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Leadville CO breakfast flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Yesterday morning a group of five RVs flew up to Leadville CO
for breakfast. It was the first time for Gary from California (white
and red RV)
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Leadville26Sep06Small.jpg
Lead bubba was Loyd Remus in the unpainted RV-4. Joel Harding
was in the white and curvy line RV-8 and Lee Wolford brought up the
rear in the brown striped RV-4. Since they won't let me fly close to
them I took the pic. This was a few miles south of Leadville.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Leadville CO breakfast flight |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Doc Custer" <ddcuster@wmv-co.us>
Neat!
Motivation to get busy again.
Doc Custer
Retired software engineer and sometime Audiologist
Building RV9-A. Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: Leadville CO breakfast flight
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Yesterday morning a group of five RVs flew up to Leadville CO
> for breakfast. It was the first time for Gary from California
> (white
> and red RV)
>
> http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Leadville26Sep06Small.jpg
>
> Lead bubba was Loyd Remus in the unpainted RV-4. Joel Harding
> was in the white and curvy line RV-8 and Lee Wolford brought up the
> rear in the brown striped RV-4. Since they won't let me fly close
> to
> them I took the pic. This was a few miles south of Leadville.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 6/6A getting in and out |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
Thanks for all the replies to my question. I'm afraid I'm stuck with
the center console - the instrument panel is nearly done and was
designed on the assumption that the console would be there to hold
various things.
It sounds like when the elect. flaps and seats are installed, it will be
easy to get in and out.
--
Do not archive
--
tom sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Stick Transfer function |
Mark, have you looked at these. I have them but not yet flying but they
appear to work fine. No need to swap, the pilots always overrides the CP
and you can shut off the the CP if you like. Also has dual speed and
runaway trim control. Only handles 4 trim circuits.
http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/pcm.htm
Bill S
7a Ark
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: Stick Transfer function
Howdy again-
Thanks to all who offered suggestions for the lighted, engraved rocker
switches- now have two sources, Pacific/Gulf Coast and Aerocraft.
Next question. I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions
from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means. About 8 wires
minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd). I would prefer a simple switch as
opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no
source for an 8PDT switch.
Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way
to do this?
THANKS!
Mark Phillips do not archive
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
http://hartzellprop.com/resource_library/pdfs/2006-18-15.pdf
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http://BowenAero.com
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> > the AD?
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| Subject: | Re: Stick Transfer function |
With the standard Ray Allen servo relays you can connect all the buttons you
want to the servo. This is also the case with Van's flap relay deck for the
flaps.
I have trim and flaps connected to the front and rear stick in my RV-4 and
it has worked for 7 years without any problems.
Why worry about the rear seat person pressing the button also? If they can
press the button they can also grab the stick and that is a worse problem. I
have flown with my kids since they were 5 years old and it has never been a
problem.
The only problem that I have ever had with a rear seat passenger in 500
hours was when a 14 year old girl on a Young Eagles flight accidentally unbuckled
and then had a panic fit about it. I finally managed to calm her down enough
and reach around and buckle the lap belt.
Rob Hickman
N401RH RV-4
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| Subject: | Mt Rushmore/Devils Tower Trip |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Sunday Rick Grenwis and I flew up to Mt Rushmore. I wanted to get a
picture of him with Rushmore in the pic but turbulence made that unlikely.
He did get a good pic of the monument. This is a blow up of the pic and
not indicative of being close.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Rushmore.jpg
Since Rick was responsible for navigation and found Rushmore easily we
then headed west into Wyoming to find Devils Tower. My pics were not
very good here either but did get one of him with the Tower in the same frame.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/DevilsTower2Small.jpg
This one was taken on the ground.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/DevilsTower27Small.jpg
We landed at Hulett (W43) and used their courtesy car to get to Devils
Tower about 10 miles away. Very convenient. On the way back home we
stopped at Guernsey (7V6) and filled up on 100LL for $3.15.
Ron Lee
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