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1. 07:52 AM - James cowls and plenum (Garry)
2. 10:48 AM - Re: Stick Transfer function (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_MS?=)
3. 01:56 PM - N616TB (RV-6) Flies (Tim Bryan)
4. 02:18 PM - Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
5. 02:25 PM - Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies (bill shook)
6. 02:53 PM - Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies (Bob Collins)
7. 03:00 PM - Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies (Kevin Horton)
8. 03:12 PM - Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
9. 04:02 PM - Re: James cowls and plenum (N777TY)
10. 04:04 PM - what site is it? (Bill VonDane)
11. 06:57 PM - Re: what site is it? (Jim Duckett)
12. 07:41 PM - Re: what site is it? (Bill VonDane)
13. 08:04 PM - Re: what site is it? (Dan Checkoway)
14. 08:32 PM - Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
15. 09:31 PM - Trip to MVN for a KR Gathering (Ron Lee)
16. 11:31 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
17. 11:37 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | James cowls and plenum |
Tomorrow I am starting the fit of my Will James cowls, and then on to
the fitting of my Sam James plenum on my RV7A. I have an AeroSport
IO360 horizontal induction engine.
If there are builders out there who have installed these items, and
would like to pass along any tips or tricks, I would greatly appreciate
it. The instructions that came with these parts aren't very clear, but
it looks like quite a bit of challenging work.
Also, I'm curious as to whether the claims of an additional 10 Kts speed
has truly been experienced by those who have fitted these cowls and
plenums.
Garry Stout
RV7A
Odessa Florida
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Subject: | Stick Transfer function |
With a tandem arrangement, dual control seems to require relays, both for
flaps and for trims. I went for the RAC relays on the trims, a relay board
from Aircraft Extras for the flaps. The neat part is that it is simple to
isolate the rear pilot seat trims and flaps since the use of relays is based
on connecting to ground. By isolating the rear pilot switch from ground,
rear pilot trims and flap controls become inoperative.
Michele
RV8 Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Kuss
Sent: samedi 30 septembre 2006 02:44
Subject: Re: RV-List: Stick Transfer function
Mark,
I wanted to have the same "absolute" control myself. I settled for using a
four pole, double throw switch to control the electric trim and a three
pole, double throw switch for the flaps. Center position of each switch is
OFF, in case of a runaway. PPT can be handled by most intercom systems. I
went with the RAC G307 grip, because it's 15 amp rated hat switch eliminates
the need for trim servo relays. I've got AutoCAD schematics of both my Flap
and Electric trim circuits. I'd be happy to send them to you, if you like.
The switch part numbers are on the CAD drawings. I used the same Carling
Technologies switches that B&C, Waytek Wire and others sell. I think I
bought them from Mouser.
Charlie Kuss
snipped
Next question. I am investigating how to swap all stick switch functions
from L to R (Infinity grip) by some reliable, safe means. About 8 wires
minimum (4-way trim, CWS, PTT, gnd). I would prefer a simple switch as
opposed to using relays (4PDTx2) but I'm beginning to think there is no
source for an 8PDT switch.
Any suggestions or am I barking up the wrong tree and there's a simpler way
to do this?
THANKS!
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Subject: | N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
Hello Listers,
My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the grin was
big. I had to hold the stick a little to the right to fly it level so I
guess that means the left wing is a little heavy. Which aileron was it that
I need to pinch the trailing edge a little? I could see the aileron was up
ever so slightly while level. Boy that was fun!
Tim Bryan
Bend, Oregon
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Subject: | Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Heavy.pdf
Here's the Van's link. You may not want to do anything just yet...
lucky
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From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Hello Listers,
My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the grin was big.
I had to hold the stick a little to the right to fly it level so I guess that
means the left wing is a little heavy. Which aileron was it that I need to
pinch the trailing edge a little? I could see the aileron was up ever so slightly
while level. Boy that was fun!
Tim Bryan
Bend, Oregon
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to the right to fly it level so I guess that means the left wing is a little
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Subject: | Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
--> RV-List message posted by: bill shook <billshook2000@yahoo.com>
Congrats on the first flight!
Bill
-4 wings
--- Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
>
>
> My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the grin was
> big. I had to hold the stick a little to the right to fly it level so I
> guess that means the left wing is a little heavy. Which aileron was it that
> I need to pinch the trailing edge a little? I could see the aileron was up
> ever so slightly while level. Boy that was fun!
>
>
>
> Tim Bryan
>
> Bend, Oregon
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Subject: | N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
Tim: Can you send a picture -- if you have one -- off list
(bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net) so i can put it in next Saturday's RV Builder's
Hotline?
thanks,
Bob Collins
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: N616TB (RV-6) Flies
Hello Listers,
My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the grin was
big. I had to hold the stick a little to the right to fly it level so I
guess that means the left wing is a little heavy. Which aileron was it that
I need to pinch the trailing edge a little? I could see the aileron was up
ever so slightly while level. Boy that was fun!
Tim Bryan
Bend, Oregon
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Subject: | Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
On 1 Oct 2006, at 16:55, Tim Bryan wrote:
> My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the
> grin was big. I had to hold the stick a little to the right to fly
> it level so I guess that means the left wing is a little heavy.
> Which aileron was it that I need to pinch the trailing edge a
> little? I could see the aileron was up ever so slightly while
> level. Boy that was fun!
>
>
Congrats on the first flight.
For the heavy wing, see the Wing Heavy Analysis from Van's:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Heavy.pdf
They suggest that squeezing the trailing edge is one of the last
things to do, after you rule out all the other possible causes.
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
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Subject: | Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin@valkyrie.net>
I know that Feeling!!! Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom in Ohio RV6-A
>
>>
>>
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>>
>>
>> My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the grin
>> was
>> big. I had to hold the stick a little to the right to fly it level so I
>> guess that means the left wing is a little heavy. Which aileron was it
>> that
>> I need to pinch the trailing edge a little? I could see the aileron was
>> up
>> ever so slightly while level. Boy that was fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Bryan
>>
>> Bend, Oregon
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>>
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Subject: | Re: James cowls and plenum |
--> RV-List message posted by: "N777TY" <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
Garry, check out this site... it's very, very helpful:
http://www.n523rv.com/cowl/
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RV-7A
N777TY (res)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=65081#65081
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Subject: | what site is it? |
Ok.....about a year ago I found a cool site that would let you search
for different kitplanes based on seats, speed, configuration etc... Now
I cant find it again and am hoping one of you might know what site I am
talking about...
Thanks!
-Bill
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Subject: | Re: what site is it? |
Bill I know the one but I can't remember either. I think it is on a
link on Ron Wanttaja's web site - Sea and Sky
Jim D.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: what site is it?
Ok.....about a year ago I found a cool site that would let you search
for different kitplanes based on seats, speed, configuration etc... Now
I cant find it again and am hoping one of you might know what site I am
talking about...
Thanks!
-Bill
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: what site is it? |
Hey Jim... I didn't find it on there either...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Duckett
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: what site is it?
Bill I know the one but I can't remember either. I think it is on a
link on Ron Wanttaja's web site - Sea and Sky
Jim D.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: what site is it?
Ok.....about a year ago I found a cool site that would let you search
for different kitplanes based on seats, speed, configuration etc... Now
I cant find it again and am hoping one of you might know what site I am
talking about...
Thanks!
-Bill
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com/Navigator?RV-List
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Subject: | Re: what site is it? |
Could be the Kitplanes directory:
http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/
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)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D "Priorities"
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: what site is it?
Hey Jim... I didn't find it on there either...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Duckett
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: what site is it?
Bill I know the one but I can't remember either. I think it is on a
link on Ron Wanttaja's web site - Sea and Sky
Jim D.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill VonDane
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 5:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: what site is it?
Ok.....about a year ago I found a cool site that would let you
search for different kitplanes based on seats, speed, configuration
etc... Now I cant find it again and am hoping one of you might know
what site I am talking about...
Thanks!
-Bill
do not archive
com/Navigator?RV-List
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Subject: | Re: N616TB (RV-6) Flies |
My RV-6 purchased in 1991 flew its first flight today. Yeah, the grin was
big.
>>>
WAY TO GO - perseverence award & all that stuff too! Do bear in mind that
the side-by-side RVs are pretty sensitive to fuel/passenger loading left to
right- I'd suggest you don't do anything until you get some more time and have
an
opportunity to fly with same weight in both seats and gallons in both tanks.
My -6A will roll to whichever side is heavier- usually left where my phat axe
sits. One reason ya see so many wing levelers & autopilots in these puppies!
I know when I am balanced L/R when my Navaid starts a slight left-right
jiggle..
8-)
>From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips RV-6A "Mojo", 355 grin hours so far...
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Subject: | Trip to MVN for a KR Gathering |
I made a trip this past weekend to the KR Gathering in
Mount Vernon IL. Pre-flight planning showed a great fuel
stop at Miami Co airport in Paola KS. 100LL was $3.10
a gallon versus the $4.28 at my airport. Scrolling down
the airnav link also showed a BBQ restaurant on the field.
<http://www.airnav.com/airport/K81>http://www.airnav.com/airport/K81
In the aerial shot in the Airnav link the self-serve fuel pump
and BBQ restaurant are in the ramp area at the approach
end to Runway 3. I got there around noon local time and
they were busy. I got the beef brisket, turkey and fries.
If I had to do it again I would get two orders of beef brisket
and half an order of fries. The fries were enough for three
to four people. Several planes left and arrived while I was
there so it is a good place to visit.
After leaving Miami Co I climbed back to cruise altitude and
was soon getting 200 knots groundspeed. As I approached
the St Louis area I encountered some light drizzle. Since
the outside air temp was around 40 deg F I descended several
thousand feet to preclude any possible freezing issues. The
area towards St Louis looked like heavier rain whereas my path
was VFR. The short distance to Mt Vernon was uneventful and
I landed after 5.3 hours of flight time.
The next morning was wet looking so I drove up to St Louis to
see the Arch.
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Arch3Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.net/~
ronlee/RV6A/Arch3Small.jpg
The trip to the top is in small =93gopher cages=94 that hold five people
in an intimate environment. One person in my cage apparently
had issues and left before the trip up started. It only takes about
four minutes and your only view is of interior structures. Once on
top you have windows that face the river and towards town.
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Arch1Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.net/~
ronlee/RV6A/Arch1Small.jpg
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Arch2Small.jpg
Upon returning to MVN I decided to fly to a few area airports.
Initially I was to go to Evansville IN then to KY, TN, AR and MO.
However that was soon changed when my fuel flows were higher
than my normal cruising altitudes of 11500 ' 13500 feet. So I
made a roundtrip to Evansville, refueled and went to Paducah,
KY. Both flights were uneventful and afforded me the chance
to fly in VFR but less than 100 mile visibility.
Sunday started less than ideally when the wakeup call never
came. I planned on going to the Beaumont Hotel in Kansas
for breakfast but was about ten minutes late. They have a
2600 foot grass strip then you taxi about 300 yards west to
the hotel.
The hotel website
is: <http://www.hotelbeaumontks.com/>http://www.hotelbeaumontks.com/
The Airnav link
is: <http://www.airnav.com/airport/SN07>http://www.airnav.com/airport/SN07
This picture shows the runway just this side (east) of the area
of trees. Then to the left (south) end of the runway you can see
the light colored road that heads west towards the hotel:
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont1Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont1Small.jpg
The next picture was taken after landing south on the runway:
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont2Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont2Small.jpg
The next one is a sign to at the south end that gives instructions
on getting to the hotel:
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont3Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont3Small.jpg
The following out of focus picture gives you and idea what to
expect after turning west on the road at the south end of the
runway:
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont4Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont4Small.jpg
Here is the stop sign and hotel. The parking area is ahead
and to the left.
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont5Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont5Small.jpg
Here is my plane in the parking area and the hotel:
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont6Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont6Small.jpg
And this is closer to the stop sign. I pulled the plane here due
to large rocks in the parking area. I am not sure what people
do for tie downs if they stay there. Personally I would prefer
an asphalt area that does not slope down away from the road.
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont7Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont7Small.jpg
The following picture is on the runway facing north:
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont8Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont8Small.jpg
This one is facing south from the north end of the runway. You
can see some of the many windmills that are south of the field.
<http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont9Small.jpg>http://home.pcisys.n
et/~ronlee/RV6A/Beaumont9Small.jpg
I used perhaps half of the runway then went west to Benton
airpark (1K1) for $3.30 fuel. The rest of the flight home was
uneventful but due to some headwind took 6.1 hours total.
Overall a nice trip. Notable events include the furthest trip
east yet in my RV-6A, first time in precipitation, first time on
a grass strip, and re-familiarization of what happens when the
mixture knob is all the way in.
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your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
RV-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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