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1. 12:27 AM - engraved instrument panels (Parker Thomas)
2. 12:48 AM - Re: engraved instrument panels (Bruce Gray)
3. 03:18 AM - Re: static port line (linn Walters)
4. 03:20 AM - Re: engraved instrument panels (linn Walters)
5. 03:36 AM - Re: Re: (J. R. Dial)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: static port line (Doug Gray)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: engraved instrument panels (Ernie & Margo)
8. 08:27 AM - Re: yet another rivet question (smittysrv)
9. 09:05 AM - Re: static port line (George Inman 204 287 8334)
10. 10:09 AM - Mixture & fuel flow (Tim Bryan)
11. 10:47 AM - Re: static port line (Dan Checkoway)
12. 11:04 AM - Re: Mixture & fuel flow (Ron Lee)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Mixture & fuel flow (Tim Bryan)
14. 12:54 PM - Re: Mixture & fuel flow (Ron Lee)
15. 01:00 PM - acceptable defects on universal head rivets?? (Charlie England)
16. 02:45 PM - Re: Mixture & fuel flow (Ron Lee)
17. 03:19 PM - Re: engraved instrument panels (sarg314@comcast.net)
18. 05:47 PM - Re: engraved instrument panels (Brian Kraut)
19. 08:14 PM - Re: Mixture & fuel flow (D.Bristol)
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| Subject: | engraved instrument panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Might anyone know where I can get some labels made for my instrument panel?
I'd like them engraved or printed. I can't find anything on the web.
Thanks,
Parker
RV-6A 421PT
____________________________________
F. Parker Thomas
phone 510-393-9876
fax 801-382-1974
me@parkerthomas.com
skype - parker.thomas
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| Subject: | engraved instrument panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
www.engravers.net
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Parker Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: engraved instrument panels
--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Might anyone know where I can get some labels made for my instrument panel?
I'd like them engraved or printed. I can't find anything on the web.
Thanks,
Parker
RV-6A 421PT
____________________________________
F. Parker Thomas
phone 510-393-9876
fax 801-382-1974
me@parkerthomas.com
skype - parker.thomas
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| Subject: | Re: static port line |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
"better" is relative. The ty-rap will work just fine for a long time,
but they do get brittle an break over time. You can get stick-on bases
for the ty-rap that will really stick for a long time, eliminating the
drilled hole. They're nice and light, and easy to install. An ADEL
clamp would be better, though (just to answer your question). But it's
all relative!!!
Linn
do not archive
sarg314 wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
>
> I am installing my static port line (RV-6A), following van's
> instructions. I need some way of keeping the poly tube up under the
> top longeron as it goes forward from the F-607 bulkhead where it
> originates. Just a couple of support points are needed back there.
>
> The only thing I can think of is to drill a #40 hole (maybe a tad
> larger) at 2 points in the longeron and run a tie wrap through it.
> Does any one have a better suggestion?
>
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engraved instrument panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Depends on how big you want the labels. Brother makes a neat labelmaker
that you can print on clear stock ..... in at least black or white
letters. I have the hand held one ..... but wish I had the little desk
top model (still portable though) for it's better features. Take a look
in any good stationary store.
Linn
do not archive.
Parker Thomas wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
>
>Might anyone know where I can get some labels made for my instrument panel?
>I'd like them engraved or printed. I can't find anything on the web.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Parker
>RV-6A 421PT
>
>____________________________________
>F. Parker Thomas
>phone 510-393-9876
>fax 801-382-1974
>me@parkerthomas.com
>skype - parker.thomas
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV-List message posted by: "J. R. Dial" <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
I liked it too and I did talk to them a few months ago and they
told me it was going to be published on the web only, no hard copy but
that is the last I heard. The only one I got was the hand out at LOE.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gordon or marge
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: RE:
--> RV-List message posted by: "gordon or marge" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
Listers:
Does anyone on the list know whether or not the magazine "Experimental
Aircraft Technology" is still being published? I received several
issues
and did not follow up promptly when they stopped. Recent efforts to
contact
them by e-mail and telephone have not been successful. Bret Hahn lives
(or
lived) in White Sands, NM and Enchanted Publications was there also. I
found Enchanted in Ruidoso, NM but they don't answer their phone either.
I
liked what I saw and would like to see more if that is possible.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: static port line |
--> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
> I am installing my static port line (RV-6A), following van's
> instructions. I need some way of keeping the poly tube up under the top
> longeron as it goes forward from the F-607 bulkhead where it
> originates. Just a couple of support points are needed back there.
Tom,
My solution is to make a p-clip from 0.016" x 1/2" strip. Attach to the
backside of a AN426-3 rivet that fixes the turtle deck skin to the
longeron.
Doug Gray
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| Subject: | Re: engraved instrument panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ernie & Margo" <ekells@sympatico.ca>
Parker: I used Aircraft Engravers of Grandby, CT. See
engravers.net/aircraft
Excellent quality and service. Very durable. I got about 40 or so words of
various sizes, groupings and orientation. Every label was usable (I had a
few sketches)..
All inclusive, including shipping, taxes, was $34.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: engraved instrument panels
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
>
> Might anyone know where I can get some labels made for my instrument
> panel? > I'd like them engraved or printed. I can't find anything on the
> web.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Parker
> RV-6A 421PT
>
> ____________________________________
> F. Parker Thomas
> phone 510-393-9876
> fax 801-382-1974
> me@parkerthomas.com
> skype - parker.thomas
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: yet another rivet question |
--> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
I have found that if I hold the backrivet tool perfectly perpendicular to the surface,
the rivets come out looking like crap and look pushed over. I soon learned
to lean the backrivet attachment towards the upward angle side of the back
stiffener to make the back rivets come out perfect. That don't make no sense,
I know, but it works. Here's my entry on my website about it (about 5 pictures
down):
--------
Smittys RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66941#66941
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| Subject: | static port line |
--> RV-List message posted by: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman@mts.net>
I used these cable tie mounts,however I did not trust
the adhesive.Instead I scraped it off and used goop
glue instead.It will last longer.
sarg314 wrote:
> > I am installing my static port line (RV-6A), following van's
> > instructions. I need some way of keeping the poly tube up under the
> > top longeron as it goes forward from the F-607 bulkhead where it
> > originates. Just a couple of support points are needed back there.
> >
> > Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
>
Use some adhesive backed cable tie mounts or adhesive backed cable
clips. Examples shown here: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/627/800.pdf
--
George H. Inman
ghinman@mts.net
RV-8
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| Subject: | Mixture & fuel flow |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Hi Listers
I now have about 12 hours on my Aero Sport engine and starting to think
about leaning it. (The instructions indicate to run it rich) My fuel flow
shows about 14 GPH with it full rich at 8500 feet. When I lean it I have to
pull the mixture back about 3/4 of the way to get it down to 10 GPH. This
seems excessive to me. I did not lean to a stumble at this point. Also, my
VM-1000 has a leaning process but I don't understand it yet. Plus I have a
cylinder #3 that is running about 425 that concerns me.
Is it possible the carburetor needs to be altered or adjusted somehow?
Thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: static port line |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Or just use little gobs of RTV. "Embed" the tubing in the RTV and it's
there for the duration, and it has built in anti-chafe. RTV will hold the
tubing securely anywhere you need it. Ever need to replace the tubing...you
can easily slice the RTV with a razor blade, and then just re-RTV the new
tubing in place.
No need for any fancy hardware here! This is an area you'll never see.
FWIW, I used adhesive tie wrap mounts and some did pop off as predicted.
RTV now.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1092 hours)
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Gray" <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: static port line
> --> RV-List message posted by: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
>
>
>> I am installing my static port line (RV-6A), following van's
>> instructions. I need some way of keeping the poly tube up under the top
>> longeron as it goes forward from the F-607 bulkhead where it
>> originates. Just a couple of support points are needed back there.
> Tom,
> My solution is to make a p-clip from 0.016" x 1/2" strip. Attach to the
> backside of a AN426-3 rivet that fixes the turtle deck skin to the
> longeron.
> Doug Gray
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture & fuel flow |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>I now have about 12 hours on my Aero Sport engine and starting to think
>about leaning it. (The instructions indicate to run it rich) My fuel flow
>shows about 14 GPH with it full rich at 8500 feet. When I lean it I have to
>pull the mixture back about 3/4 of the way to get it down to 10 GPH. This
>seems excessive to me. I did not lean to a stumble at this point. Also, my
>VM-1000 has a leaning process but I don't understand it yet. Plus I have a
>cylinder #3 that is running about 425 that concerns me.
I can't tell if anything you mentioned suggest the need for adjustments of
the carb or your cooling system but 14 GPH at 8500' is too rich. I don't
spend
much time that low (8500') but 10 GPH there may be ok. I usually lean to
stumble then enrichen until smooth...and sometimes one more mixture notch.
Are you saying that pulling the mixture out 3/4 of the way is excessive or
10GPH is excessive? Have you checked the flow after leaning to engine
stumble/running rough then mixture in until smooth?
At my flight altitudes (above 11,500') I am 7.5 GPH or less.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Mixture & fuel flow |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Hi Ron,
My thought is that pulling the mixture 3/4 of the way just to get from 14
down to 10 is a lot. I will try to lean till it stumbles next time, but am
cautious of getting to lean while the engine is new.
Really the question might be is 14 pretty high for full rich mixture at that
altitude? On the ground it shows nearly 17 GPH full rich. (3200' field) I
would like to see closer to 8 GPH when leaned. (0-360-A1A)
I suppose my fuel flow meter could be off.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:04 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Mixture & fuel flow
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
>
> >I now have about 12 hours on my Aero Sport engine and starting to think
> >about leaning it. (The instructions indicate to run it rich) My fuel
> flow
> >shows about 14 GPH with it full rich at 8500 feet. When I lean it I have
> to
> >pull the mixture back about 3/4 of the way to get it down to 10 GPH.
> This
> >seems excessive to me. I did not lean to a stumble at this point. Also,
> my
> >VM-1000 has a leaning process but I don't understand it yet. Plus I have
> a
> >cylinder #3 that is running about 425 that concerns me.
>
> I can't tell if anything you mentioned suggest the need for adjustments of
> the carb or your cooling system but 14 GPH at 8500' is too rich. I don't
> spend
> much time that low (8500') but 10 GPH there may be ok. I usually lean to
> stumble then enrichen until smooth...and sometimes one more mixture notch.
>
> Are you saying that pulling the mixture out 3/4 of the way is excessive or
> 10GPH is excessive? Have you checked the flow after leaning to engine
> stumble/running rough then mixture in until smooth?
>
> At my flight altitudes (above 11,500') I am 7.5 GPH or less.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Mixture & fuel flow |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>My thought is that pulling the mixture 3/4 of the way just to get from 14
>down to 10 is a lot. I will try to lean till it stumbles next time, but am
>cautious of getting to lean while the engine is new.
I start my engine with the mixture 1/2 way out from full rich then soon
leaner about 1/4" for taxi. Verify correct mixture at run-up (field elevation
6800')
>Really the question might be is 14 pretty high for full rich mixture at that
>altitude? On the ground it shows nearly 17 GPH full rich. (3200' field) I
>would like to see closer to 8 GPH when leaned. (0-360-A1A)
Why would you be full rich at 8500'? A better question would be what do
others get when leaned properly including CHT and maybe EGT.
>I suppose my fuel flow meter could be off.
If it can be calibrated then that is possible. Have you verified fuel
remaining
per your instrumentation versus actual. If those are off then the number of
pulses per unit fuel needs to be adjusted. That will affect your fuel flow.
Obviously follow engine maker instructions for break-in and call them if you
have questions about limits of EGT, CHT, etc
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | acceptable defects on universal head rivets?? |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Just saw this on another list:
Per MIL-STD-403C (the revision level of the paper copy [he has]) para
5.2.7.5:
"Marring of the manufactured head. A cut or ring caused by the riveting
equipment shall be acceptable on non-flush rivets providing the depth of
the cut is not greater than one-fourth of the head height. Cut or ringed
flush rivets shall not be acceptable."
Anybody who's familiar with either mil-spec standards or FAA 'best practices' that
knows whether this is valid? I'm not advocating sloppy work, but I can remember
drilling out a few 1/8" rivets due to minor errors with the universal set
& making a bigger problem when I did it. If the quote above is accurate, I'd
bet there are quite a few projects out there that would be better off carrying
around a few 'smiles'.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Mixture & fuel flow |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>Really the question might be is 14 pretty high for full rich mixture at that
>altitude? On the ground it shows nearly 17 GPH full rich. (3200' field) I
>would like to see closer to 8 GPH when leaned. (0-360-A1A)
I was near sea level last week and the highest I saw during climb was in
the 12-14 GPH range. May have been 12 or 13. Just don't recall.
O-360, FP
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: engraved instrument panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314@comcast.net
An interesting labeling method: I work at an observatory which is always making
electronic things with aluminum panels. We anodize the panels a dark color
- blue or black - and take them to a local trophy shop which uses a laser etching
device to label it. The very narrow beam of the laser explodes the dark anodize
(it has to be dark to absorb the light) off the surface exposing the bare
aluminum underneath. Looks terrific, really bright. VERY permanent and not
very expensive.
I did this with my panel. I'll post an image when I get it back later this week.
Traditionally anodize will fade in sunlight. However, new "architectural
dyes" are much more resistant to fading. I also suspect that the plexi canopy
would block much of the short (UV) wavelengths that do the dirty work. My plane
will be hangared, so I think the sun fading issue will be minimized, anyway.
We'll see.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
>
> Might anyone know where I can get some labels made for my instrument panel?
> I'd like them engraved or printed. I can't find anything on the web.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Parker
> RV-6A 421PT
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| Subject: | engraved instrument panels |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
I second this. I have had them do labels for my planes and I also get all
of our labels for ships consoles at work from them. Great service, good
prices, and good people to deal with. I suggest getting your labels in the
reverse engraved .020" lexan. This is a matt clear material that is
engraved and paint filled from the back side so the letters are protected
and the front is smooth. They are thinner than you can get from other
engravers so they look better and the matt material does not have as much
glare and does not show scratches easily. They can also engrave and paint
fill in several steps to give you different colors of leters on the labels.
I very highly recommend them.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie & Margo
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: engraved instrument panels
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ernie & Margo" <ekells@sympatico.ca>
Parker: I used Aircraft Engravers of Grandby, CT. See
engravers.net/aircraft
Excellent quality and service. Very durable. I got about 40 or so words of
various sizes, groupings and orientation. Every label was usable (I had a
few sketches)..
All inclusive, including shipping, taxes, was $34.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: engraved instrument panels
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Parker Thomas" <me@parkerthomas.com>
>
> Might anyone know where I can get some labels made for my instrument
> panel? > I'd like them engraved or printed. I can't find anything on the
> web.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Parker
> RV-6A 421PT
>
> ____________________________________
> F. Parker Thomas
> phone 510-393-9876
> fax 801-382-1974
> me@parkerthomas.com
> skype - parker.thomas
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mixture & fuel flow |
Tim,
The hot #3 cylinder can usually be cured by making sure that the rear
baffle is spaced about 1/8" from the rear of the cylinder. If the baffle
is too tight, there isn't enough airflow around the rear of the cylinder.
Dave
Tim Bryan wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
>
>
>Hi Listers
>
>I now have about 12 hours on my Aero Sport engine and starting to think
>about leaning it. (The instructions indicate to run it rich) My fuel flow
>shows about 14 GPH with it full rich at 8500 feet. When I lean it I have to
>pull the mixture back about 3/4 of the way to get it down to 10 GPH. This
>seems excessive to me. I did not lean to a stumble at this point. Also, my
>VM-1000 has a leaning process but I don't understand it yet. Plus I have a
>cylinder #3 that is running about 425 that concerns me.
>
>Is it possible the carburetor needs to be altered or adjusted somehow?
>
>Thanks
>Tim
>
>
>
>
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