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1. 06:18 AM - Re: Trim control module flap switch (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
2. 07:15 AM - Re: Video Camera (Thomas Lukasczyk)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !! (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Cirruss Accident question (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Video Camera (Chris W)
6. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Cirruss Accident question (Bruce Gray)
7. 08:38 AM - Re: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !! (Dave Cordner)
8. 02:12 PM - Re: Trim control module flap switch (Doug Gray)
9. 02:53 PM - Re: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !! (Phil Birkelbach)
10. 04:20 PM - Re: Trim control module flap switch (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
11. 05:18 PM - Question on posting (jrlewismail-rv@yahoo.com)
12. 05:47 PM - 1st time engine start (Bobby Hester)
13. 05:58 PM - Re: Question on posting (Chuck)
14. 06:34 PM - Bushings vs. Conduit for wing wiring/QB wing stands (Paul Folbrecht)
15. 06:44 PM - Re: Question on posting (Mark Grieve)
16. 07:32 PM - Re: Question on posting (Tim Bryan)
17. 07:34 PM - Left my plane in Kansas (Tim Bryan)
18. 07:40 PM - Re: Question on posting (glaesers)
19. 07:48 PM - Re: Bushings vs. Conduit for wing wiring/QB wing stands (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
20. 08:02 PM - Re: 1st time engine start (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
21. 10:50 PM - un subscribe (rver273sb@aol.com)
22. 10:55 PM - Re: Bushings vs. Conduit for wing wiring/QB wing stands (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Trim control module flap switch |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Dean
I am using the AOA, as well as Aircraft Extra's relay deck to accomplish
what you are talking about. Aircraft Extra's has the diagram for
installing this and it is downloadable from their website, hope this
helps.
http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus-Mech.htm
Dan Lloyd
RV10E
40289 (N289DT)
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN
PSIROPOULOS
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:24 AM
Subject: RV-List: Trim control module flap switch
--> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
I purchased a trim control module from F1 Rocket Boy because I'd heard
that
electric elevator trim on RVs was too sensitive in the pattern and not
sensitive enough in cruise (or is it vice versa). In any case, if you
install a switch that is actuated by the flaps, then the unit will
automatically change the trim motor speed to match aircraft
configuration.
Since I have manual flaps on my RV-6 this may fall on deaf ears (seems
like
everyone has electric flaps in the RV world) but I'll ask it anyway.
If you have one of these trim rate changers and you utilized some sort
of
switch that is actuated by the lowering the flaps how did you set it up?
Did you set it up to activate the switch when the flaps were fully
extended
or only partially? How and where did you mount the switch? Any info
would
be appreciated. Those that installed and AOA system from Advanced
Flight
Systems (formerly Proprietary Software Systems) have to do the same
thing
with their flap actuated switch so you folks with this AOA may also be
able
to help me here (same criteria apply for mounting the AOA flap actuated
switch as the trim changer). Any photos and guidance on the install
would
be much appreciated. Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Down to that last 1% of the 90% to-go and very excited about 1st flight.
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| Subject: | Re: Video Camera |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" <Lukasczyk@gmx.net>
Hi Tedd
I did a few tests with those tiny cameras and was always a little disappointed
with the picture-quality they provided. They are quite easy to mount anywhere
on the plane, though.
If you want TV-quality, there is another option. By a small video-camera and build
a mount. I tested my mount at 160 knots and the rudder input to compensate
that additional drag is barely noticeable.
There is a picture:
http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHF.jpg
Another picture of my cockpit mount:
http://www.rv-4.de/gallerie/Detail1_img/KHC_seite.jpg
Several test-videos
http://www.rv-4.de/videos.htm
Thomas, rv-4, germany
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NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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| Subject: | Re: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !! |
In a message dated 10/15/2006 10:36:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net writes:
I'm thinking of organizing a national RV Builder's Motivation Day, and mate
builders with willing "former" builders (aka: RV pilots). Think that's
something folks would support?
Bob
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SURE!
I am both and it would be interesting, fun and educational.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Cirruss Accident question |
In a message dated 10/15/2006 5:28:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
terry@tcwatson.com writes:
Certainly we can see it in certified vs. experimental aviation, but it
applies across the board =93 food, housing, drugs, and all the other a
reas where a
regulated economy freezes innovation at the last (hopefully) good idea befor
e the
bureaucracy decided to save us from ourselves. The flaw in their argument
that is fatal to the great innovations that we will never see is that we are
as
reckless, ignorant, or just plain stupid as they are, or more generously, as
they think we are.
But be aware that there are some on this list that some on this list that
think plastic airplanes ought to be outlawed. (Just kidding
I hope!)
Terry
=================
Good points Terry:
It was just PLAIN OLD STUPIDITY. And one thing that we all should realize i
s
"You cannot legislate common sense". If we could we would get rid of 95% of
the politicians throughout our government. Yet, our common sense does not
prevail ... We keep electing these big mouth idiots like Chuck Shulmer and
Weiner. SOooo who are the stupid ones now?
As for your last statement ... We are NOT too far away; In, NJ we have
Lautenberg he has been anti aviation ALL of his two lives in the Senate. An
d incase
you haven't been keeping up with politics and the EPA, by 2010 they (Senate
&
EPA) have deemed (passed a law) ALL GAS will have ethanol ... ALL meaning
AvGas also. How do you think that is going to affect the GA industry?
As a side note - Take a look at the number of APs, NJ use to have and how
many now, only 25 to 30 years later, we lost about 65% ... Now look at how m
any
pop-up sunburn communities NJ has now. And where were they built? We use t
o
be know as "The Garden State". Now we are "Urban Sprawl", Highest Taxes in
the
Nation, Highest Car Insurance in the Nation and probably the Highest
Corruption in the Nation.
Sorry to get political, but politicians have learned how to fight ... Attack
the small guy who as they see it ... Has money to burn.
We do not have the size, power or money as say the NRA. We are the small
unorganized guy.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Video Camera |
--> RV-List message posted by: Chris W <3edcft6@cox.net>
Thomas Lukasczyk wrote:
> Hi Tedd
>
> I did a few tests with those tiny cameras and was always a little disappointed
with the picture-quality they provided.
You need to be careful which one you buy. Some are much better than
others, most are complete junk. Look for one that has the high
resolution, 480 lines, like the Sony EX View.
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Chris W
KE5GIX
"Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM,
learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm"
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| Subject: | Re: Cirruss Accident question |
You guys should have been recycled back to beer cans a long time ago. I
know
of no plastic airplanes. (yes.. I'm kidding also)
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FLYaDIVE@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Cirruss Accident question
In a message dated 10/15/2006 5:28:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
terry@tcwatson.com writes:
Certainly we can see it in certified vs. experimental aviation, but it
applies across the board - food, housing, drugs, and all the other areas
where a regulated economy freezes innovation at the last (hopefully)
good
idea before the bureaucracy decided to save us from ourselves. The flaw
in
their argument that is fatal to the great innovations that we will never
see
is that we are as reckless, ignorant, or just plain stupid as they are,
or
more generously, as they think we are.
But be aware that there are some on this list that some on this list
that
think plastic airplanes ought to be outlawed. (Just kidding..I hope!)
Terry
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| Subject: | RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !! |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Cordner" <davcor@comcast.net>
Sure,
I'm working on the fuse (precision longeron twisting) right now (RV7) and
would love to help pay for gas for day trips in Colorado.
KBJC (Jefferson County), KEIK (Erie Tri-County), are close to where I'm
building, 00V (Meadow Lake) is close to where I work
In fact most Colorado Front Range airports are pretty close.
Dave Cordner
RV7 - N898DC (rsvd)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !!
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I'm thinking of organizing a national RV Builder's Motivation Day, and mate
builders with willing "former" builders (aka: RV pilots). Think that's
something folks would support?
Bob
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !!
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Forget about all this stuff. Just go fly an RV. If I can
do it most others can as well with reasonable time in type.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Trim control module flap switch |
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 01:24 -0400, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> I purchased a trim control module from F1 Rocket Boy because I'd heard that
> electric elevator trim on RVs was too sensitive in the pattern and not
> sensitive enough in cruise (or is it vice versa). In any case, if you
> install a switch that is actuated by the flaps, then the unit will
> automatically change the trim motor speed to match aircraft configuration.
> Since I have manual flaps on my RV-6 this may fall on deaf ears (seems like
> everyone has electric flaps in the RV world) but I'll ask it anyway.
>
> If you have one of these trim rate changers and you utilized some sort of
> switch that is actuated by the lowering the flaps how did you set it up?
> Did you set it up to activate the switch when the flaps were fully extended
> or only partially? How and where did you mount the switch? Any info would
> be appreciated. Those that installed and AOA system from Advanced Flight
> Systems (formerly Proprietary Software Systems) have to do the same thing
> with their flap actuated switch so you folks with this AOA may also be able
> to help me here (same criteria apply for mounting the AOA flap actuated
> switch as the trim changer). Any photos and guidance on the install would
> be much appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Down to that last 1% of the 90% to-go and very excited about 1st flight.
Don't you need just a simple microswitch to detect the flap deployment?
Attached photo is not mine so apologies to rightful owner, I pulled it
from my good ideas collection folder.
Doug Gray
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| Subject: | Re: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !! |
We did a BMD this year in the Houston area where the flying guys gave
the building guys a ride and some stick time. We had a few weather
delays (early mornings in February are hard to make around here) but
once we finally got everybody together, it was great fun. Builders
bring lunch and "former" builders bring two full tanks of 100LL.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB
http://www.myrv7.com
Bob Collins wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> I'm thinking of organizing a national RV Builder's Motivation Day,
> and mate
> builders with willing "former" builders (aka: RV pilots). Think that's
> something folks would support?
>
> Bob
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:27 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV's: Difficult to Fly? Nonsense !!
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Forget about all this stuff. Just go fly an RV. If I can
> do it most others can as well with reasonable time in type.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim control module flap switch |
Dean,
I know this doesn't answer your original question, but here is my take on it.
It is true that the trim motor runs a little too fast for cruise flight, but
I quit trimming for landings. I just apply the (not too great) stick back
pressure it takes to do the landing and that way it stays trimmed for takeoff
and cruise. At this time I don't have a trim indicator, so this works fine
for me. KISS.
BTW, I bought the Trim Control Module but haven't installed it yet. I
thought I was buying a module that would hold altitude in cruise, so I haven't
decided what to do with the module.
Just my $.02.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 10/16/2006 5:15:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dgra1233@bigpond.net.au writes:
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 01:24 -0400, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
>
> I purchased a trim control module from F1 Rocket Boy because I'd heard that
> electric elevator trim on RVs was too sensitive in the pattern and not
> sensitive enough in cruise (or is it vice versa). In any case, if you
> install a switch that is actuated by the flaps, then the unit will
> automatically change the trim motor speed to match aircraft configuration.
> Since I have manual flaps on my RV-6 this may fall on deaf ears (seems like
> everyone has electric flaps in the RV world) but I'll ask it anyway.
>
> If you have one of these trim rate changers and you utilized some sort of
> switch that is actuated by the lowering the flaps how did you set it up?
> Did you set it up to activate the switch when the flaps were fully extended
> or only partially? How and where did you mount the switch? Any info
would
> be appreciated. Those that installed and AOA system from Advanced Flight
> Systems (formerly Proprietary Software Systems) have to do the same thing
> with their flap actuated switch so you folks with this AOA may also be able
> to help me here (same criteria apply for mounting the AOA flap actuated
> switch as the trim changer). Any photos and guidance on the install would
> be much appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Down to that last 1% of the 90% to-go and very excited about 1st flight.
Don't you need just a simple microswitch to detect the flap deployment?
Attached photo is not mine so apologies to rightful owner, I pulled it
from my good ideas collection folder.
Doug Gray
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| Subject: | Question on posting |
Someone please tell me the trick to posting a message that does not end up
scrambled with extra characters. I have posted several notes and each gets
trashed. What am I doing wrong?=0A=0AR,=0A=0AJRL
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| Subject: | 1st time engine start |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
I'm hoping to start my XP O-360 engine for the first time Wedensday. I
remember some discussion a while back about ground runs. This is a new
engine and I know that when I fly it I should fly it fast til the rings
seat and oil consumption stabilizes. I think someone said that during
the inital ground runs that you should keep the cylinder temps below a
certain temp untill it flys. So what is that temp?
--
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Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
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| Subject: | Re: Question on posting |
JRL,
Well first of all, it has to be about primers, nosewheels/tailwheels, or completely
OFF -SUBJECT and absolutely unrelated to building RV's or the list just
can NOT recognize it as a normal thread. :-)
Chuck
jrlewismail-rv@yahoo.com wrote:
Someone please tell me the trick to posting a message that does not end
up scrambled with extra characters. I have posted several notes and each gets
trashed. What am I doing wrong?
R,
JRL
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| Subject: | Bushings vs. Conduit for wing wiring/QB wing stands |
--> RV-List message posted by: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
I bought Van's conduit, but now I am rethinking this. Any real
reason to prefer the conduit to using bushings? The latter requires
only enlarging existing holes while the conduit requires new 3/4"
holes in each rib.
Then again, since I am doing navs/strobes and wingtip landing lights
(all Creative Air) as well as a NAV antenna in one tip and COM in the
other (that's COM2 with 1 under the belly), maybe I'll need BOTH.
That is, two runs. Will I?
About the wing stand that Van's has on the plans: certainly this is
not needed for QB wings. I am wondering what is the best way to work
on the wings in general: leave them in the cradle (the Checkoway
style cradle I built), table-top, sawhorses. I am out of town and
cannot look at the manual - have these thoughts going through my
head, as I'll be starting on the wings next week.
Paul
9A QB 1176
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Question on posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
JR,
I found this message and three others that you have posted since August
to be quite readable with no extra characters. I don't see that you are
doing anything wrong in your postings. I do see messages with weird
characters and suspect the writer is composing the message using Word or
something similar. Stick with standard email programs and you should be
fine.
Do Not Archive
Mark
jrlewismail-rv@yahoo.com wrote:
> Someone please tell me the trick to posting a message that does not end
> up scrambled with extra characters. I have posted several notes and
> each gets trashed. What am I doing wrong?
>
> R,
>
> JRL
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
--
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| Subject: | Question on posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Also mine adds characters unless I choose "Plain Text" in my email. Since
Matt made changes, the system is more tolerant.
Tim
N616TB
RV-6
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grieve
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:44 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Question on posting
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
>
> JR,
> I found this message and three others that you have posted since August
> to be quite readable with no extra characters. I don't see that you are
> doing anything wrong in your postings. I do see messages with weird
> characters and suspect the writer is composing the message using Word or
> something similar. Stick with standard email programs and you should be
> fine.
> Do Not Archive
> Mark
>
> jrlewismail-rv@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Someone please tell me the trick to posting a message that does not end
> > up scrambled with extra characters. I have posted several notes and
> > each gets trashed. What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > R,
> >
> > JRL
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Left my plane in Kansas |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Hi Listers,
While moving my plane from Oregon to Texas, I got weathered in and had to
leave it in south Kansas. Wellington to be exact (EGT). If the weather
clears I would like to retrieve it. Anybody in the Tyler Texas area looking
for an excuse to fly when somebody else pays for the fuel? My flight plan
shows it to be about a two hour flight one way.
Tim
RV-6 N616TB 21 hours and counting.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Question on posting |
--> RV-List message posted by: "glaesers" <glaesers@wideopenwest.com>
Your email program is probably sending HTML. Find the setting that tells it
to send plain text and see what happens. I use Outlook and that setting is
under the Format menu item.
Dennis Glaeser
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Subject: Question on posting
From: jrlewismail-rv@yahoo.com
Someone please tell me the trick to posting a message that does not end up
scrambled with extra characters. I have posted several notes and each gets
trashed. What am I doing wrong?=0A=0AR,=0A=0AJRL
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| Subject: | Re: Bushings vs. Conduit for wing wiring/QB wing stands |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 10/16/06 9:36:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
paul.folbrecht@veribox.net writes:
> I bought Van's conduit, but now I am rethinking this. Any real
> reason to prefer the conduit to using bushings? The latter requires
> only enlarging existing holes while the conduit requires new 3/4"
> holes in each rib.
========================
Paul:
It is really a no-brainer ... Go with the CONDUIT.
How are you going to fish the wires through the bushings?
You must have very long,very skinny arms. :-)
No problems with hanging wires.
No problems with chaffing.
No problems running a second or third pair of wires for wing-tip mounted
antenna or landing lights or Nav lights or Strobes.
OR DOING ANY TYPE OF ELECTRICAL REPAIR
CAN-DU-IT
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: 1st time engine start |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 10/16/06 8:50:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bobbyhester@charter.net writes:
> I'm hoping to start my XP O-360 engine for the first time Wedensday. I
> remember some discussion a while back about ground runs. This is a new
> engine and I know that when I fly it I should fly it fast til the rings
> seat and oil consumption stabilizes. I think someone said that during
> the inital ground runs that you should keep the cylinder temps below a
> certain temp untill it flys. So what is that temp?
=====================================
Below 450 Deg F as per Lycoming. But I'm sure with the weather getting
colder you should be able to keep it around 400 Deg F during cruse. REMEMBER ...
If the oil temp increases KEEP the Throttle Pushed IN. Slowing the engine down
only causes you to pitch up adding induced drag and makes the engine work
harder with LESS cooling air being forced in. I know, I know, it is a hard thing
to do when human nature says reduce power.
Keep the ground run to a minimum. Just long enough to verify that you have
proper Idle RPM and mixture will do a full cut off and the prop pitch function
(if installed). Then plan your start up, taxi and take off to keep everything
to a minimum. Don't get stuck behind a student!
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Bushings vs. Conduit for wing wiring/QB wing stands |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
It's easier to pull wires as opposed to pushing them whether it's bushings
or conduit. Run a heavy string through whatever you use when you are
building. Later, use the same string to pull in wires when you need them.
(Pull in a new string also. You never know if a new wire will be needed.)
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
In a message dated 10/16/06 9:36:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
paul.folbrecht@veribox.net writes:
> I bought Van's conduit, but now I am rethinking this. Any real
> reason to prefer the conduit to using bushings? The latter requires
> only enlarging existing holes while the conduit requires new 3/4"
> holes in each rib.
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