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1. 05:23 AM - Re: FADEC controlled engine problem (sjhdcl@kingston.net)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Dale Walter)
4. 06:24 AM - Impulse mag top/bottom (Dana Overall)
5. 06:28 AM - Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Christopher Stone)
6. 06:52 AM - Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Sam Buchanan)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Sam Buchanan)
8. 07:53 AM - Re: Impulse mag top/bottom (RV6 Flyer)
9. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: FADEC controlled engine problem (Ron Lee)
10. 01:20 PM - Barnstormers RV8 "MISS AMERICA" (BRUCE GRAY)
11. 03:09 PM - Re: Impulse mag top/bottom (Kyle Boatright)
12. 07:27 PM - RV Builder's Hotline (Bob Collins)
13. 10:04 PM - Re: Impulse mag top/bottom (Bobby Hester)
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| Subject: | Re: FADEC controlled engine problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
What type of prop and gov (assuming CS) is he running? I had a surging
problem with my governor.
Steve
RV7A
> Time: 07:39:34 AM PST US
> From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
> Subject: RV-List: FADEC controlled engine problem
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
>
> Background: New RV-7A, XP-360 engine, Aerosance FADEC system.
>
> On the second flight the engine was surging at times. The pilot
> reported a significant CHT drop on the #4 cylinder. On the first
> flight that same cylinder had very high CHT but that data point
> may be misleading.
>
> Aerosance suggested moving the fuel injector to the number 2
> cylinder to see if the problem moves. Certainly a valid way to
> isolate a problem but since the problem was not duplicated on
> a ground run it may not be best to try in again in flight.
>
> Ignoring for now that the FADEC controller may be a problem
> I am assuming three possible problems.
>
> 1) Inadequate fuel flow
>
> 2) Intermittent clog in the injector
>
> 3) Solenoid problem ( Apparently the solenoid on each injector
> somehow controls the fuel injected in to the cylinder).
>
> Fuel flow could be verified by disconnecting the fuel lines at the
> injector and running the boost pump to verify fuel flow and eliminating
> a clog in the line as a possible problem.
>
> As far as the injector, I am assuming that there is a way to check
> for blockage.
>
> The owner should be checking documentation for additional info as well
> as calling the manufacturer but if anyone has helpful advice it would
> be appreciated.
>
> Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost |
David and others,
Try this link for more information. I'm not trying to argue that these
batteries are the same as the Oddysey, but they have 420 cranking amps, and can
be
mounted in any position (except upside down). The link I gave earlier said
that the "style" was AGM. This one says deep discharge. This link has a
slightly different part number, but the same price. I'm just saying that all cheap
batteries are not equal, and there may be a good one out there. Perhaps a
call to Gruber would get their opinion about how they compare to the Odyssey.
Someone there must know a lot about batteries. Look over their web site!
http://www.gruberpower.com/purchase/batteries/product.asp?intProdID=24&strCata
log_NAME=Batteries&strSubCatalog_NAME=&strSubCatalogID=&intCatalogID=10001&Cur
CatalogID
BTW, I have had an Odyssey PC-680 AGM in my plane for over 2 years now. It
is truly an amazing battery. I have cranked my 200 HP IO-360 for what seemed
like a full minute and it just keeps on cranking. Like most of you, I hate to
experiment when the Odyssey has worked so well. Thanks for the information.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 10/27/2006 12:59:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wdleonard@gmail.com writes:
Dan,
Note that those are not that similar to the odyssey batteries. Those are
typical sealed lead acid while the odyssey batteries are more like an improved
gel cell. That battery weighs less and has more total energy (22a/h vs 16 a/h)
than the Odyssey of the same number/size (PC-680). That battery also costs
less.
So why get the odyssey? Cranking Amps is the main issue. Odysseys have huge
cranking ability when fully charged. Odysseys also are unspillable and can
be mounted in any position and don't need a battery box. They can tolerated
repeated deep cycling much better, and they will probably last at least twice as
long. \
It does seem like they are trying to appear as an odyssey clone by naming
their battery the PC-680.
But still, that seems like a good price for a sealed lead acid battery.. You
will probably want 2 of them to be able to crank your engine reliably.
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com/
Dan Harper wrote:
I came across this battery deal:
http://www.gruberpower.com/gruberpower/advertising/batteries/cutsheets/58-PC-6
80.asp
This looks like a replacement for the battery used in RVs. The price is
$28.53. Even after adding shipping that's a good price. The specs look good.
I
found more specs somewhere else on the web site. Can't find it right now.
I can't specifically endorse this battery, but a friend of mine says that
this place has the best battery deals anywhere.
I may just try one.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Odyssey style battery -- low cost |
Hi all,
One of the big advantages of the Odyssey is that as it gets older, it does
not work good one day and die without notice the next week. It's strength
diminishes with a lot more notice. I am not ready to bet the cheap one will
last 2 years because Walmart batteries in my car are barely making it 2
years. But if a little surprise inconvenience is ok; at worst it is a nice
savings. IMHO.
Do not archive
Dale
RV6a 705 hrs
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey style battery -- low cost
Dan,
Note that those are not that similar to the odyssey batteries. Those are
typical sealed lead acid while the odyssey batteries are more like an
improved gel cell. That battery weighs less and has more total energy
(22a/h vs 16 a/h) than the Odyssey of the same number/size (PC-680). That
battery also costs less.
So why get the odyssey? Cranking Amps is the main issue. Odysseys have
huge cranking ability when fully charged. Odysseys also are unspillable and
can be mounted in any position and don't need a battery box. They can
tolerated repeated deep cycling much better, and they will probably last at
least twice as long. \
It does seem like they are trying to appear as an odyssey clone by naming
their battery the PC-680.
But still, that seems like a good price for a sealed lead acid battery..
You will probably want 2 of them to be able to crank your engine reliably.
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
Dan Harper wrote:
I came across this battery deal:
http://www.gruberpower.com/gruberpower/advertising/batteries/cutsheets/58-PC
-680.asp
This looks like a replacement for the battery used in RVs. The price is
$28.53. Even after adding shipping that's a good price. The specs look
good. I found more specs somewhere else on the web site. Can't find it
right now.
I can't specifically endorse this battery, but a friend of mine says that
this place has the best battery deals anywhere.
I may just try one.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | Impulse mag top/bottom |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
OK, I've seen/heard/read/dreamed (stretching it there:-) about putting the
impulse mag harness on the top plugs only with the right mag (looking at it
from the the rear of the engine) on the bottom only. Obviously, the
harnesses are marked T4, T2, B3, B1 and B4, B2, T3, T1. Put them is this
orientation, the arguement is you get a more consistantly close drop between
left and right. The assumption; the bottom plugs are more likely to get oil
fouled due to gravity.
Current pros, cons to harness indicated orientation or top/bottom only???
Just food for thought after looking at a one mag/electronic setup where the
builder did the electronic on top plugs only and mag on bottom plugs only.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Odyssey style battery -- low cost |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Sam...
The link to your web page is "page not found". I would be interested in garnering
your experience with the Panasonic batterys.
Chris Stone
80802
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2006 6:03 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey style battery -- low cost
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
>
>Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>> I came across this battery deal:
>>
>> http://www.gruberpower.com/gruberpower/advertising/batteries/cutsheets/58-PC-6
>> 80.asp
>>
>> This looks like a replacement for the battery used in RVs. The price is
>> $28.53. Even after adding shipping that's a good price. The specs look good.
I
>> found more specs somewhere else on the web site. Can't find it right now.
>>
>> I can't specifically endorse this battery, but a friend of mine says that
>> this place has the best battery deals anywhere.
>
>
>Looks very, very similar to the Panasonic batteries I ran in my RV-6 for
>a few years. Here are details and recommendations about my experiences
>with the low-priced batteries:
>
>http://thejournal.com/battery.htm
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
Christopher Stone wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone
> <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
>
> Sam...
>
> The link to your web page is "page not found". I would be interested
> in garnering your experience with the Panasonic batterys.
Sorry for the confusion.
http://thervjournal.com/battery.htm
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost |
--> RV-List message posted by: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
David Leonard wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Note that those are not that similar to the odyssey batteries. Those are
> typical sealed lead acid while the odyssey batteries are more like an
> improved gel cell. That battery weighs less and has more total energy
> (22a/h vs 16 a/h) than the Odyssey of the same number/size (PC-680). That
> battery also costs less.
Just to add some data points, the el cheapo batteries are the same
"type" as the Odyssey. Both use recombinant gas technology, and as I
understand it, neither are similar to a gel cell.
>
> So why get the odyssey? Cranking Amps is the main issue. Odysseys have
> huge cranking ability when fully charged. Odysseys also are unspillable
> and
> can be mounted in any position and don't need a battery box. They can
> tolerated repeated deep cycling much better, and they will probably last at
> least twice as long. \
The el cheapos can also be mounted in any position except upside down
because their internal construction is basically the same as the Odyssey.
But the Odyssey does indeed have the edge when it comes to cranking amps
and *should* last longer, but ultimate life will be due to many factors.
>
> It does seem like they are trying to appear as an odyssey clone by naming
> their battery the PC-680.
Yep, that is sorta shifty.
> But still, that seems like a good price for a sealed lead acid battery..
> You will probably want 2 of them to be able to crank your engine reliably.
Nope, one of the el cheapos will crank a 320 or 360 just fine as long as
the engine isn't routinely started when it is deep-chilled, then the
Odyssey will be the better choice. The rational for the low-priced
battery is, uh, low cost which allows you to change batteries every two
years in order to keep a fresh battery in the plane. Whether or not this
is a good approach will depend on factors specific to each pilot
(budget, aircraft mission, climate, etc).
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com/battery.htm
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| Subject: | Impulse mag top/bottom |
--> RV-List message posted by: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Dana:
One Electronic Ignition Manufacturer recommends that you install his EI on
the spark plugs on the top in each cylinder if you are using one mag and one
EI. I am not sure why other than becasue he knows the bottom plugs will
lead foul and make his system look better than the mag.
I would not put all top and all bottom plugs on a single mag in a dual mag
ignition airplane. The bottom plugs will lead foul. If they are on one mag
and lead fouled at the time the other mag fails, you will have two degraded
ignition systems. If both mags fire two bottom, you should at least have
two cylinders firing and should make it to the nearest airport.
I would not put all top spark plug on one mag and all bottom spark plugs on
the other mag.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,963 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RV-List: Impulse mag top/bottom
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
OK, I've seen/heard/read/dreamed (stretching it there:-) about putting the
impulse mag harness on the top plugs only with the right mag (looking at it
from the the rear of the engine) on the bottom only. Obviously, the
harnesses are marked T4, T2, B3, B1 and B4, B2, T3, T1. Put them is this
orientation, the arguement is you get a more consistantly close drop between
left and right. The assumption; the bottom plugs are more likely to get oil
fouled due to gravity.
Current pros, cons to harness indicated orientation or top/bottom only???
Just food for thought after looking at a one mag/electronic setup where the
builder did the electronic on top plugs only and mag on bottom plugs only.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FADEC controlled engine problem |
--> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
At 06:20 AM 10/27/2006, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: sjhdcl@kingston.net
>
>What type of prop and gov (assuming CS) is he running? I had a surging
>problem with my governor.
>
>Steve
>RV7A
Aerocomposites CS prop and MT P-860-4 prop governor.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Barnstormers RV8 "MISS AMERICA" |
--> RV-List message posted by: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
Hey Everyone,
Was viewing an Ad in Barnstormers and saw a beautiful RV8 named, "MISS
AMERICA". I was going to forward this to a friend who may be in the market
to buy. He may build but he also may consider this once he sees the
airplane.
Thanks for the help.
Bruce G.
I'm looking to get the photo's of the Ext/Int if possible.
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| Subject: | Re: Impulse mag top/bottom |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1@comcast.net>
I put the plugs fired from my electronic ignition on the top and the mag
fired plugs on the bottom. My reasoning was that the EI plug wires attach
with friction and by installing 'em on the top plugs, gravity was working in
my favor as opposed to against me. Also, my assumption is/was that if the
EI driven stuff was on top, it would be easier to visually inspect.
In 425 hours, I have not fouled a plug on either system.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:23 AM
Subject: RV-List: Impulse mag top/bottom
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, I've seen/heard/read/dreamed (stretching it there:-) about putting the
> impulse mag harness on the top plugs only with the right mag (looking at
> it from the the rear of the engine) on the bottom only. Obviously, the
> harnesses are marked T4, T2, B3, B1 and B4, B2, T3, T1. Put them is this
> orientation, the arguement is you get a more consistantly close drop
> between left and right. The assumption; the bottom plugs are more likely
> to get oil fouled due to gravity.
>
> Current pros, cons to harness indicated orientation or top/bottom only???
>
> Just food for thought after looking at a one mag/electronic setup where
> the builder did the electronic on top plugs only and mag on bottom plugs
> only.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | RV Builder's Hotline |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Friends:
The e-mail edition of this week's RV Builder's Hotline has been delayed. There
appears to be a problem with the server than handles the mail list.
However, the Hotline has been posted on the Web page and you can find it at:
.
I apologize for any inconvenience.
Regards,
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://home.comcast.net/~rvnewsletter/
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Impulse mag top/bottom |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
Dana, I installed my system per the directions from Lightspeed. LH Mag
supplies the bottom plugs and RH Electronic Ign. supplies the top auto
type plugs. I'm sure you will find that anyone using the lightspeed
system on only one side has done this.
------
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
Dana Overall wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> OK, I've seen/heard/read/dreamed (stretching it there:-) about putting
> the impulse mag harness on the top plugs only with the right mag
> (looking at it from the the rear of the engine) on the bottom only.
> Obviously, the harnesses are marked T4, T2, B3, B1 and B4, B2, T3, T1.
> Put them is this orientation, the arguement is you get a more
> consistantly close drop between left and right. The assumption; the
> bottom plugs are more likely to get oil fouled due to gravity.
>
> Current pros, cons to harness indicated orientation or top/bottom only???
>
> Just food for thought after looking at a one mag/electronic setup
> where the builder did the electronic on top plugs only and mag on
> bottom plugs only.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
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