RV-List Digest Mon 10/30/06

RV-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/30/06

Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Stewart Systems waterborne urethane (Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX)
     2. 08:17 AM - Re: Float sender question (Pascal GROELL)
     3. 08:42 AM - Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Zeidman, Richard B)
     4. 09:39 AM - Re: Float sender question (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
     5. 09:44 AM - Drilling B-Nuts (Ralph E. Capen)
     6. 09:48 AM - Re: Float sender question (Ed Holyoke)
     7. 10:15 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Bruce Gray)
     8. 10:28 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Ralph E. Capen)
     9. 11:02 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Ed Anderson)
    10. 11:20 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Bruce Gray)
    11. 11:25 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (dfischer@iserv.net)
    12. 11:26 AM - Re: Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Ron Lee)
    13. 12:25 PM - Re: Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
    14. 03:10 PM - GTX 327 Tray Fit (Again) (PIAVIS)
    15. 05:51 PM - Re: Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Charlie England)
    16. 10:21 PM - Fuel sensors (David Dalton)
 
 
 

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Time: 05:11:45 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Stewart Systems waterborne urethane
From: "Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX" <Todd.Stovall@pentagon.af.mil>      
      Yes, they are the same.  Apparently Stewarts acquired AFS.
      
      Todd
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com
      Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:03 AM
      Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Stewart Systems waterborne urethane
      
      
      At the risk of asking a really stupid question, are AFS and Stewart 
      systems the same thing?  I have been thinking about painting my own 
      plane, especially doing the interior prior to assembly.  I am very 
      daunted by the toxicity of standard airplane paint.  This looks like a 
      vast improvement. 
      
      Regards,
      
      Michael Wynn
      RV-8, Wings
      San Ramon, California
      
      Do Not Archive
      
      

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Time: 08:17:35 AM PST US
From: Pascal GROELL <pgroell@chello.fr>
Subject: Re: Float sender question      
      --> RV-List message posted by: Pascal GROELL <pgroell@chello.fr>
      
      Hello,
      
      I'm just doing my tanks. On the sheet I got from Vans, it says MAXIMUM 
      CLEARANCE from top and bottom 1/8. I guess zero is less than maximum 
      allowed, that how I did it. If anybody is reading this another way, let 
      me know. I'm still a few proseal sessions away from closing everything.
      
      Pascal GROELL
      RV-7A #72588
      www.notreavion.net
      
      David Karlsberg a crit :
      > --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
      >
      > Okay... I am setting up my fuel tank floats.  Is the float supposed to hit
      > the bottom or top of the tank?  My guess is no, looking at the plans.  I
      > just wanted to be sure.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > David
      >
      > Ps if there are any hints or things I should know about this stuff bring it
      > on.
      >
      >
      >   
      
      

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Time: 08:42:46 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost
From: "Zeidman, Richard B" <richard.b.zeidman@boeing.com>      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" <richard.b.zeidman@boeing.com>
      
      Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are
      available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you
      got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to
      worry about!
      Rich Zeidman
      RV7
      
      

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Time: 09:39:08 AM PST US
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Subject: Re: Float sender question      
      David and Pascal,
      
      I think the idea is that they don't want the sender to rub a hole in the ski
      n 
      of the tank.  Not a problem if you are in the habit of keeping some gas in 
      the tanks!  I guess it could rub on the top skin when the tank is full, thou
      gh.  
      Hmmmm.  I haven't heard of anyone having this trouble.  If you haven't done 
      your Mandatory Service Bulletin yet, let us know if the sender has been rubb
      ing 
      on the top of the tank.  Now I'm curious.
      
      Dan Hopper
      RV-7A
      
      
      In a message dated 10/30/2006 11:19:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
      pgroell@chello.fr writes:
      --> RV-List message posted by: Pascal GROELL <pgroell@chello.fr>
      
      Hello,
      
      I'm just doing my tanks. On the sheet I got from Vans, it says MAXIMUM 
      CLEARANCE from top and bottom 1/8. I guess zero is less than maximum 
      allowed, that how I did it. If anybody is reading this another way, let 
      me know. I'm still a few proseal sessions away from closing everything.
      
      Pascal GROELL
      RV-7A #72588
      www.notreavion.net
      
      David Karlsberg a =E9crit :
      > --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
      >
      > Okay... I am setting up my fuel tank floats.  Is the float supposed to hit
      > the bottom or top of the tank?  My guess is no, looking at the plans.  I
      > just wanted to be sure.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > David
      >
      > Ps if there are any hints or things I should know about this stuff bring i
      t
      > on.
      >
      >
      >   
      
      

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Time: 09:44:38 AM PST US
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Drilling B-Nuts      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      
      Fellow listers,
      
      Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup bulletin?
      
      Thanks,
      Ralph Capen
      
      

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Time: 09:48:29 AM PST US
From: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
Subject: Float sender question      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop@pacbell.net>
      
      I would think that a little clearance would be good. You wouldn't want
      to wear a hole through the tank skin. I don't know if that's possible,
      but I'd rather not find out the hard way. Our gauges (Van's) are very
      inaccurate at high fuel levels but pretty close at the bottom where it
      counts.
      
      As someone else mentioned, a fuel totalizer is a great addition to the
      panel. I'll never own an airplane with out one. Ours has helped a lot.
      By comparing GPS time to waypoint with time remaining on the totalizer,
      a planed fuel stop can be validated and a decision made to continue or
      stop early. When a diversion for weather is necessary, you can
      accurately determine which alternate airport you can reach with adequate
      reserves. On one occasion in the Florida panhandle, it made the
      difference between outrunning a line of thunderstorms or waiting till
      the next day. If we'd stopped for gas too soon, the time spent on the
      ground would've kept us from turning the corner before the storms got
      there. On another occasion, a long run under an overcast cost more fuel
      burn than I'd planned for at altitude and lean mixture. It became
      apparent that the planned fuel stop couldn't be reached with reserve and
      we landed at a different airport with 40 minutes remaining and no
      guesswork involved. The old stopwatch and estimated fuel flow trick
      doesn't account for different throttle and mixture settings. With the
      totalizer, you can pull power back and watch the time remaining reading
      increase.
      
      Pax,
      Ed Holyoke
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal GROELL
      Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:16 AM
      Subject: Re: RV-List: Float sender question
      
      --> RV-List message posted by: Pascal GROELL <pgroell@chello.fr>
      
      Hello,
      
      I'm just doing my tanks. On the sheet I got from Vans, it says MAXIMUM 
      CLEARANCE from top and bottom 1/8. I guess zero is less than maximum 
      allowed, that how I did it. If anybody is reading this another way, let 
      me know. I'm still a few proseal sessions away from closing everything.
      
      Pascal GROELL
      RV-7A #72588
      www.notreavion.net
      
      David Karlsberg a crit :
      > --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg <claypride@hotmail.com>
      >
      > Okay... I am setting up my fuel tank floats.  Is the float supposed to
      hit
      > the bottom or top of the tank?  My guess is no, looking at the plans.
      I
      > just wanted to be sure.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > David
      >
      > Ps if there are any hints or things I should know about this stuff
      bring it
      > on.
      >
      >
      >   
      
      

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Time: 10:15:31 AM PST US
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: Drilling B-Nuts      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
      
      I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut.
      
      Bruce
      www.glasair.org
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
      Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
      Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      
      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      
      Fellow listers,
      
      Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup
      bulletin?
      
      Thanks,
      Ralph Capen
      
      

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Time: 10:28:35 AM PST US
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Drilling B-Nuts      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      
      
      More info on the jig please.....
      
      Where did you get it......?
      Any pictures...?
      
      Thanks,
      Ralph
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >Sent: Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM
      >To: rv-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >
      >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >
      >I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut.
      >
      >Bruce
      >www.glasair.org
      > 
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
      >Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
      >To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list
      >Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >
      >
      >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      >
      >Fellow listers,
      >
      >Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup
      >bulletin?
      >
      >Thanks,
      >Ralph Capen
      >
      >
      
      

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Time: 11:02:34 AM PST US
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Drilling B-Nuts      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:27 PM
      Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      
      
      > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      >
      >
      > More info on the jig please.....
      >
      > Where did you get it......?
      > Any pictures...?
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Ralph
      > -----Original Message-----
      >>From: Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >>Sent: Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM
      >>To: rv-list@matronics.com
      >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >>
      >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >>
      >>I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut.
      >>
      >>Bruce
      >>www.glasair.org
      >>
      >>
      >>-----Original Message-----
      >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
      >>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
      >>To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list
      >>Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >>
      >>
      >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      >>
      >>Fellow listers,
      >>
      >>Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel 
      >>pickup
      >>bulletin?
      >>
      >>Thanks,
      >>Ralph Capen
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 
      
      

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Time: 11:20:42 AM PST US
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: Drilling B-Nuts      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
      
      http://www.solomotoparts.com/catalog/Lockhart-Phillips-Nut-Drill-Jig-p-22650
      .html
      
      Bruce
      www.glasair.org
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
      Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:27 PM
      Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      
      
      --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      
      
      More info on the jig please.....
      
      Where did you get it......?
      Any pictures...?
      
      Thanks,
      Ralph
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >Sent: Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM
      >To: rv-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >
      >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >
      >I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut.
      >
      >Bruce
      >www.glasair.org
      > 
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
      >Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
      >To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list
      >Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >
      >
      >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      >
      >Fellow listers,
      >
      >Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel
      pickup
      >bulletin?
      >
      >Thanks,
      >Ralph Capen
      >
      >
      
      

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Time: 11:25:32 AM PST US
Subject: Drilling B-Nuts
From: dfischer@iserv.net      
      --> RV-List message posted by: dfischer@iserv.net
      
      I cross-drilled without the jig (though I've bought one since).  The soft
      aluminum makes it pretty easy.  Just dimple the nut with your center
      punch, start the drill at an angle (so it doesn't slip) and rotate it as
      you drill to the correct angle to cross-drill the corner.
      
      Doug Fischer
      RV-9A Wings
      
      
      > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
      >
      > I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut.
      >
      > Bruce
      > www.glasair.org
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
      > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
      > To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list
      > Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts
      >
      >
      > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
      >
      > Fellow listers,
      >
      > Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel
      > pickup
      > bulletin?
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Ralph Capen
      >
      >
      
      

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Time: 11:26:35 AM PST US
From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost      
      --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
      
      At 09:41 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
      >--> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" 
      ><richard.b.zeidman@boeing.com>
      >
      >Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are
      >available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you
      >got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to
      >worry about!
      
      
      Interesting point.  I could not find one in my town so changing at a
      conservative interval makes more sense to me.
      
      Ron Lee 
      
      

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Time: 12:25:11 PM PST US
From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost      
      I'm still using the same pc680 for over 4 years now.  I've run it down a couple
      of times by accident but it still starts my io-360 just fine.  I think if you
      keep it on a battery tender all the time in between flights it helps some.  That's
      what I do anyway.
      
      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net> 
      
      > --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee 
      > 
      > At 09:41 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote: 
      > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" 
      > > 
      > > 
      > >Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are 
      > >available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you 
      > >got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to 
      > >worry about! 
      > 
      > 
      > Interesting point. I could not find one in my town so changing at a 
      > conservative interval makes more sense to me. 
      > 
      > Ron Lee 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      <html><body>
      <DIV>I'm still using the same pc680 for over&nbsp;4 years now.&nbsp; I've run it
      down a couple of times by accident but it still starts my io-360 just fine.&nbsp;
      I think if you keep it on a battery tender all the time in between flights
      it helps some.&nbsp; That's what I do anyway.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
       -List 
      
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Time: 03:10:45 PM PST US
From: "PIAVIS" <piavis@comcast.net>
Subject: GTX 327 Tray Fit (Again)      
      
      For those that know the ins and outs of avionics, I have a good question.
      Last week I posted a question about my GTX 327 as it wouldn't slide
      completely into the tray and lock. The lower edge of the tray was in contact
      with the aft lower face of the unit. Along the back lower face of the bezel,
      there appears to be two slots where the tray tongs would slide in. That's
      fine and that's what it looks like in the GTX 327 install manual. 
      
      
      The manual calls out Garmin p/n 115-00285-00 as referenced in the install
      manual. The problem is that I have p/n 115-00431-00 (as stamped on the tray)
      and doesn't look like the referenced illustration. Are these trays supposed
      to be interchangable? I did find a reference to that p/n on the web through
      Avionics Now which indicated that the 004341 unit was good for 320A/ 327,
      but even the tray they show does not look like what I have.
      
      
      Thanks,
      
      
      Jim
      
      

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Time: 05:51:48 PM PST US
From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost      
      --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
      
      Zeidman, Richard B wrote:
      
      >--> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" <richard.b.zeidman@boeing.com>
      >
      >Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are
      >available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you
      >got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to
      >worry about!
      >Rich Zeidman
      >RV7
      >
      
      I bought a non-odyssey a couple of years ago at the local Exide battery 
      store. (Jackson MS; not exactly a huge market: 300k metro area.) I 
      *think* they had odyssey's as well; I just didn't want to pay their 
      rather high price.
      
      Most industrial electronics supply outlets will likely have something 
      that will fit. The big SLA batteries made for UPS's will almost always 
      work because the nature of the SLA technology will make the source 
      impedance of the battery low enough to dump the high currents needed to 
      start engines.
      
      Most cycle shops & water sports shops are likely to have them too; 
      that's where most are probably used.
      
      BTW, others have mentioned Gruber. The 1st I remember was Charlie Kuss 
      (thanks, Charlie). He pointed out that you can get *2* of the ~17 AH 
      batteries, as a 'power pack' for about $50 including shipping. I haven't 
      tried them in my plane, but they have replaced the 4 6Volt batteries in 
      my computer UPS & just about doubled the reserve power of the UPS. 
      Access to their website seemed to come & go & it took me about 2 weeks 
      to hit it while it was up, but the product came on time & as advertised.
      
      Charlie
      
      

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Time: 10:21:24 PM PST US
From: "David Dalton" <ddalton536@gmail.com>
Subject: Fuel sensors      
      I have a question for the more experienced builders out there regarding fuel
      sensors.  I just purchased a used wing kit for my -7.  It came with the
      float type fuel sensors.   My question is, what would the advantages or
      disadvantages of capacative sensors over the floats?   I intend on having a
      fuel totalizer built into the engine monitor, and will probably install a
      flop tube for limited aerobatics.   Thanks in advance for your advice.
      
      
      Beer30?
      
      
      David Dalton
      








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