---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/30/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Stewart Systems waterborne urethane (Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX) 2. 08:17 AM - Re: Float sender question (Pascal GROELL) 3. 08:42 AM - Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Zeidman, Richard B) 4. 09:39 AM - Re: Float sender question (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 5. 09:44 AM - Drilling B-Nuts (Ralph E. Capen) 6. 09:48 AM - Re: Float sender question (Ed Holyoke) 7. 10:15 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Bruce Gray) 8. 10:28 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Ralph E. Capen) 9. 11:02 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Ed Anderson) 10. 11:20 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (Bruce Gray) 11. 11:25 AM - Re: Drilling B-Nuts (dfischer@iserv.net) 12. 11:26 AM - Re: Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Ron Lee) 13. 12:25 PM - Re: Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 14. 03:10 PM - GTX 327 Tray Fit (Again) (PIAVIS) 15. 05:51 PM - Re: Subject: Re: Odyssey style battery -- low cost (Charlie England) 16. 10:21 PM - Fuel sensors (David Dalton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Stewart Systems waterborne urethane From: "Stovall Todd Lt Col AF/A4RX" Yes, they are the same. Apparently Stewarts acquired AFS. Todd Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of MLWynn@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Stewart Systems waterborne urethane At the risk of asking a really stupid question, are AFS and Stewart systems the same thing? I have been thinking about painting my own plane, especially doing the interior prior to assembly. I am very daunted by the toxicity of standard airplane paint. This looks like a vast improvement. Regards, Michael Wynn RV-8, Wings San Ramon, California Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:35 AM PST US From: Pascal GROELL Subject: Re: RV-List: Float sender question --> RV-List message posted by: Pascal GROELL Hello, I'm just doing my tanks. On the sheet I got from Vans, it says MAXIMUM CLEARANCE from top and bottom 1/8. I guess zero is less than maximum allowed, that how I did it. If anybody is reading this another way, let me know. I'm still a few proseal sessions away from closing everything. Pascal GROELL RV-7A #72588 www.notreavion.net David Karlsberg a crit : > --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg > > Okay... I am setting up my fuel tank floats. Is the float supposed to hit > the bottom or top of the tank? My guess is no, looking at the plans. I > just wanted to be sure. > > Thanks, > David > > Ps if there are any hints or things I should know about this stuff bring it > on. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:46 AM PST US Subject: Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey style battery -- low cost From: "Zeidman, Richard B" --> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to worry about! Rich Zeidman RV7 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:08 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Float sender question David and Pascal, I think the idea is that they don't want the sender to rub a hole in the ski n of the tank. Not a problem if you are in the habit of keeping some gas in the tanks! I guess it could rub on the top skin when the tank is full, thou gh. Hmmmm. I haven't heard of anyone having this trouble. If you haven't done your Mandatory Service Bulletin yet, let us know if the sender has been rubb ing on the top of the tank. Now I'm curious. Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 10/30/2006 11:19:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, pgroell@chello.fr writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Pascal GROELL Hello, I'm just doing my tanks. On the sheet I got from Vans, it says MAXIMUM CLEARANCE from top and bottom 1/8. I guess zero is less than maximum allowed, that how I did it. If anybody is reading this another way, let me know. I'm still a few proseal sessions away from closing everything. Pascal GROELL RV-7A #72588 www.notreavion.net David Karlsberg a =E9crit : > --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg > > Okay... I am setting up my fuel tank floats. Is the float supposed to hit > the bottom or top of the tank? My guess is no, looking at the plans. I > just wanted to be sure. > > Thanks, > David > > Ps if there are any hints or things I should know about this stuff bring i t > on. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:38 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Fellow listers, Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup bulletin? Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:29 AM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Float sender question --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Holyoke" I would think that a little clearance would be good. You wouldn't want to wear a hole through the tank skin. I don't know if that's possible, but I'd rather not find out the hard way. Our gauges (Van's) are very inaccurate at high fuel levels but pretty close at the bottom where it counts. As someone else mentioned, a fuel totalizer is a great addition to the panel. I'll never own an airplane with out one. Ours has helped a lot. By comparing GPS time to waypoint with time remaining on the totalizer, a planed fuel stop can be validated and a decision made to continue or stop early. When a diversion for weather is necessary, you can accurately determine which alternate airport you can reach with adequate reserves. On one occasion in the Florida panhandle, it made the difference between outrunning a line of thunderstorms or waiting till the next day. If we'd stopped for gas too soon, the time spent on the ground would've kept us from turning the corner before the storms got there. On another occasion, a long run under an overcast cost more fuel burn than I'd planned for at altitude and lean mixture. It became apparent that the planned fuel stop couldn't be reached with reserve and we landed at a different airport with 40 minutes remaining and no guesswork involved. The old stopwatch and estimated fuel flow trick doesn't account for different throttle and mixture settings. With the totalizer, you can pull power back and watch the time remaining reading increase. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal GROELL Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Float sender question --> RV-List message posted by: Pascal GROELL Hello, I'm just doing my tanks. On the sheet I got from Vans, it says MAXIMUM CLEARANCE from top and bottom 1/8. I guess zero is less than maximum allowed, that how I did it. If anybody is reading this another way, let me know. I'm still a few proseal sessions away from closing everything. Pascal GROELL RV-7A #72588 www.notreavion.net David Karlsberg a crit : > --> RV-List message posted by: David Karlsberg > > Okay... I am setting up my fuel tank floats. Is the float supposed to hit > the bottom or top of the tank? My guess is no, looking at the plans. I > just wanted to be sure. > > Thanks, > David > > Ps if there are any hints or things I should know about this stuff bring it > on. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:31 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Fellow listers, Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup bulletin? Thanks, Ralph Capen ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:35 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" More info on the jig please..... Where did you get it......? Any pictures...? Thanks, Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Gray >Sent: Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut. > >Bruce >www.glasair.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM >To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list >Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > >Fellow listers, > >Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup >bulletin? > >Thanks, >Ralph Capen > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:34 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph E. Capen" Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > > > More info on the jig please..... > > Where did you get it......? > Any pictures...? > > Thanks, > Ralph > -----Original Message----- >>From: Bruce Gray >>Sent: Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" >> >>I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut. >> >>Bruce >>www.glasair.org >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM >>To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list >>Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts >> >> >>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" >> >>Fellow listers, >> >>Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel >>pickup >>bulletin? >> >>Thanks, >>Ralph Capen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:42 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" http://www.solomotoparts.com/catalog/Lockhart-Phillips-Nut-Drill-Jig-p-22650 .html Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" More info on the jig please..... Where did you get it......? Any pictures...? Thanks, Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Gray >Sent: Oct 30, 2006 1:14 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > >I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut. > >Bruce >www.glasair.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM >To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list >Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts > > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > >Fellow listers, > >Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel pickup >bulletin? > >Thanks, >Ralph Capen > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts From: dfischer@iserv.net --> RV-List message posted by: dfischer@iserv.net I cross-drilled without the jig (though I've bought one since). The soft aluminum makes it pretty easy. Just dimple the nut with your center punch, start the drill at an angle (so it doesn't slip) and rotate it as you drill to the correct angle to cross-drill the corner. Doug Fischer RV-9A Wings > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > I have a jig that allows me to drill across a corner tip any nut. > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM > To: rv-list; RV7 Yahoo list > Subject: RV-List: Drilling B-Nuts > > > --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > > Fellow listers, > > Any hints on an easy way to drill the B-Nuts to comply with Vans fuel > pickup > bulletin? > > Thanks, > Ralph Capen > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:35 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey style battery -- low cost --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee At 09:41 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" > > >Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are >available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you >got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to >worry about! Interesting point. I could not find one in my town so changing at a conservative interval makes more sense to me. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:11 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey style battery -- low cost I'm still using the same pc680 for over 4 years now. I've run it down a couple of times by accident but it still starts my io-360 just fine. I think if you keep it on a battery tender all the time in between flights it helps some. That's what I do anyway. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Ron Lee > --> RV-List message posted by: Ron Lee > > At 09:41 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote: > >--> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" > > > > > >Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are > >available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you > >got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to > >worry about! > > > Interesting point. I could not find one in my town so changing at a > conservative interval makes more sense to me. > > Ron Lee > > > > >
I'm still using the same pc680 for over 4 years now.  I've run it down a couple of times by accident but it still starts my io-360 just fine.  I think if you keep it on a battery tender all the time in between flights it helps some.  That's what I do anyway.
 
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________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:45 PM PST US From: "PIAVIS" Subject: RV-List: GTX 327 Tray Fit (Again) For those that know the ins and outs of avionics, I have a good question. Last week I posted a question about my GTX 327 as it wouldn't slide completely into the tray and lock. The lower edge of the tray was in contact with the aft lower face of the unit. Along the back lower face of the bezel, there appears to be two slots where the tray tongs would slide in. That's fine and that's what it looks like in the GTX 327 install manual. The manual calls out Garmin p/n 115-00285-00 as referenced in the install manual. The problem is that I have p/n 115-00431-00 (as stamped on the tray) and doesn't look like the referenced illustration. Are these trays supposed to be interchangable? I did find a reference to that p/n on the web through Avionics Now which indicated that the 004341 unit was good for 320A/ 327, but even the tray they show does not look like what I have. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:48 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Subject: Re: RV-List: Odyssey style battery -- low cost --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England Zeidman, Richard B wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: "Zeidman, Richard B" > >Does anyone know if these low cost or real oddesy batteries are >available locally, such as an auto supply or Radio Shack, in case you >got stuck with a bad battery in the middle of a trip? One less spare to >worry about! >Rich Zeidman >RV7 > I bought a non-odyssey a couple of years ago at the local Exide battery store. (Jackson MS; not exactly a huge market: 300k metro area.) I *think* they had odyssey's as well; I just didn't want to pay their rather high price. Most industrial electronics supply outlets will likely have something that will fit. The big SLA batteries made for UPS's will almost always work because the nature of the SLA technology will make the source impedance of the battery low enough to dump the high currents needed to start engines. Most cycle shops & water sports shops are likely to have them too; that's where most are probably used. BTW, others have mentioned Gruber. The 1st I remember was Charlie Kuss (thanks, Charlie). He pointed out that you can get *2* of the ~17 AH batteries, as a 'power pack' for about $50 including shipping. I haven't tried them in my plane, but they have replaced the 4 6Volt batteries in my computer UPS & just about doubled the reserve power of the UPS. Access to their website seemed to come & go & it took me about 2 weeks to hit it while it was up, but the product came on time & as advertised. Charlie ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:24 PM PST US From: "David Dalton" Subject: RV-List: Fuel sensors I have a question for the more experienced builders out there regarding fuel sensors. I just purchased a used wing kit for my -7. It came with the float type fuel sensors. My question is, what would the advantages or disadvantages of capacative sensors over the floats? I intend on having a fuel totalizer built into the engine monitor, and will probably install a flop tube for limited aerobatics. Thanks in advance for your advice. Beer30? David Dalton