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1. 01:51 AM - Re: Fuel sensors (Ron Schreck)
2. 05:24 AM - Fl Wing VAF Annual Fly-in (Oliver Washburn)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Can you identify this filter (Christopher Stone)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Fuel sensors (Bob)
5. 09:24 AM - Prop: FP faster than CS? (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: Prop: FP faster than CS? (Dale Walter)
7. 10:30 AM - Wings install (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
8. 02:22 PM - Re: HEADset woes (carlos)
9. 02:48 PM - Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Dean Pichon)
10. 03:14 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
11. 04:37 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (noel anderson)
12. 06:06 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Bruce Gray)
13. 06:07 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Skylor Piper)
14. 06:07 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Skylor Piper)
15. 06:07 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Skylor Piper)
16. 06:14 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Charlie England)
17. 06:46 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Bruce Gray)
18. 07:07 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (JOHN STARN)
19. 07:39 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
20. 08:09 PM - Gapping Plugs (H.Ivan Haecker)
21. 08:21 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Paul Besing)
22. 09:33 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Bob Perkinson)
23. 11:08 PM - Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sensors |
Bob,
I agree that keeping it light is extremely important. Just curious
though, how do you manage to keep the RPMs below red down when you are
on a long downline? I fly a lot of formation with others that have FP
props and I have to make slow speed descents when leading in order to
keep their RPMs under red line. I'm guessing that you have a "climb"
prop which would increase the tendency to wind up on the downline as
well. I don't compete in aerobatics so I have no need for inverted oil
and all but I sure like having the CS prop so I never worry about the
RPM. I have a Whirlwind 200RV which is not much heavier that a metal
FP.
While we are on the subject. I'm looking for a parachute and would
appreciate hearing from others that fly RV-8's. What make/model works
best?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
On the other hand, I purposely built my RV6 for aerobatics. I do
positive
and negative maneuvers, I fly the sportsman and intermediate
acrobatic
maneuvers. I find the RV6 a delight to fly aerobatics. I do like
it much
better than the Super Decathlon. The RV6 is not a Extra 300, nor
does it
cost $300,000.
I do have inverted oil, and no it does not keep the belly clean.
I do fly
with a 7 point Hooker Harness (ratchet) and it is no more
uncomfortable
upside down as it is right side up. Actually my RV6 upside down
is a lot
less painful than the Super Decathlon I used to fly. Personally,
I would
not own an airplane that did not have Hooker Harnesses in it.
I do not fly with a CS prop. In my opinion it would only give me
about 100
FPM more in climb and it would cost me 10 kts in speed, it also
would cost
me 45 lbs and increased complexity and maintenance costs. I
believe that
the single best thing to do for acrobatics is to keep it light.
The extra
45 lbs puts a lot of extra stress on the crankshaft, and if you
want a CS
prop and want to do serious acrobatics then you will probably want
an
aerobatic crankshaft as well.
As for keeping it light, that applies to my aircraft as well as to
me the
pilot.
As for fuel injection. A lot of RV owners have it and they never
fly
upside down.
Bob
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| Subject: | Fl Wing VAF Annual Fly-in |
All SE Listers,
This Sat.,Nov 4th (Nov. 5th rain date) is the annual RV fly-in at
Love's Landing Airpark in N.Central Fl. featuring Ollie's FAMOUS pork
bar-bq,hamburgers,hotdogs and all the fixins.
Lunch at noon and coffee and donuts for the early birds
Love's Landing Airpark (97FL) N 28*57.42 W081*53.29 Radio 122.9
Located 10NM N of Leesburg,Fl
We have forecast a beautiful day so ya'll come and enjoy a great
lunch.
Ollie 352 750 5312
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| Subject: | Re: Can you identify this filter |
--> RV-List message posted by: Christopher Stone <rv8iator@earthlink.net>
Matt...
Have you tried Flow Ezy Filters? They have a broad selection.
http://198.170.245.162/home.html
Chris Stone
80802
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>From: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2006 7:25 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Can you identify this filter
>
>The filter in the attached jpg is 1+15/16 inches tall, 1+1/2 inches
>in diameter, the inlet "tit" is a little less than 7/16 in diameter
>and a littler more than 1/4 tall. Bob Burk who is no longer with us
>used this in a customized gascolater in an RV 6A. There is no
>readable part number. If you can identify it, please let me know a
>part number or just where it might be bought.
>
><mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Matthew M. Jurotich
>
>e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
>phone : 301-286-5919
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sensors |
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
>I agree that keeping it light is extremely important. Just curious
though, how do you manage to keep the >RPMs below red down when you are on
a long downline?
> Ron Schreck
Good questions on the RPM on the downline. One of the major drawbacks of
the RV in acrobatics is the speed build up on the downlines. A comparison
with the purpose built acrobatic One Design: pilots report on the
downline with fixed pitch prop that the drag is so high it is hard to
exceed 180 MPH. In my RV I exceed 180 MPH in straight and level
cruise. So managing RPM is an important task.
I do it by retarding the throttle. I do get criticized severely by the
competition crowd, but then they are not flying RVs. Also the competition
guys and the airshow types often fly way above redline. Some have told me
they are very happy at 3100 RPMs. Of course they also tell me they do an
engine rebuild every year during the off season. If you can not afford a
yearly engine rebuild, and who can, then keep the RPMs close to redline.
A few hints
1. Retard the throttle during downlines, I call this energy
management. Most acrobatic types will tell you energy management is
keeping the speed up, in my case it means keeping the speed down. Conserve
the slow speed. Example, while at cruise speed you want to do a split
S. I do an immelman to reduce the speed below 100 KTS and then do the
Split S and pull out around 140 KTS.
2. Pulling Gs will reduce your speed which in turn will reduce your RPMs.
3. If you do not want to jockey with the throttle during maneuvers, then
you can set your power setting so that 2700 RPMs will equal redline at a
certain speed. I use 160 KTS and 21" MP equals 2700 RPM. As long as I
stay below 160 KTS I am below redline.
Unfortunately on long descents a fixed pitch will not work as well as a
constant speed. Engine people tell me it is bad for the engine to be at
very high RPM (2700) and very low MP (10"). So in decent the best I can do
is about 1500 FPM at 17" MP for a short period of time before I exceed
redline.
The RV is just too fast sometimes. Never thought I would say that. So
when doing acrobatics, speed management is critical, no I should say super
critical. But it can be done, just enter the vertical downlines just above
stall speed and watch your airspeed.
Interestingly the speed difference between my RV and an Extra 300 is not
that much. One thing (not the only thing) that makes the Extra 300 such a
better aerobatic aircraft is that it can pull 10 Gs as compared my 6
Gs. And nothing except impacting with the earth will kill airspeed (or
RPMs) faster that high Gs. Of course impacting with the earth is a
extremely high G maneuver!!?!
Bob
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| Subject: | Prop: FP faster than CS? |
Bob,
First time I've ever seen a claim that FP is 10 knots faster than CS. Would
you care to elaborate?
Jerry Cochran
Time: 08:28:39 AM PST US
From: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel sensors
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
I do not fly with a CS prop. In my opinion it would only give me about 100
FPM more in climb and it would cost me 10 kts in speed, it also would cost
me 45 lbs and increased complexity and maintenance costs.
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| Subject: | Prop: FP faster than CS? |
Hi,
I changed from a Sensenich metal prop (mfg 2001) to a new standard Hartzell
in February on a RV6a with Lyc O-360 (carb). The Sensenich was quieter and
at WOT would go to 2800 rpm, yielding about 3-5 knots more than the Hartzell
(which I limited to 2700 rpm). I don't usually get noticeable speed
increase when running the Hartzell 2700 vs 2600 rpm; therefore I don't think
the Hartzell would close that gap even if I raised the rpm to 2800. I am
very happy with the Hartzell. I definitely get more for my money at normal
cruise, and at any cruise speed. Weight increase from change was 16lbs.
Dale
RV6a 710 hours
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:22 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop: FP faster than CS?
Bob,
First time I've ever seen a claim that FP is 10 knots faster than CS. Would
you care to elaborate?
Jerry Cochran
Time: 08:28:39 AM PST US
From: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel sensors
--> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared3@brier.net>
I do not fly with a CS prop. In my opinion it would only give me about 100
FPM more in climb and it would cost me 10 kts in speed, it also would cost
me 45 lbs and increased complexity and maintenance costs.
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Listers,
Going thru the wing install, I had a conversation with Gus at Van's and he
pointed me here...
_http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_%20Incidence.pdf_
(http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_%20Incidence.pdf)
This is a valuable addition to the wing install instructions in the manual
and I highly recommend you insert these pages in same, and read carefully
whilst measuring the wings for sweep, incidence, etc. before drilling. I also
found it valuable to use water levels or a digital level. Water levels tho, are
even more accurate. I made mine from thin plastic tubing (AV dep't @ Home
Depot of course).
Here's the text from Van's PDF for your convenience...
HTH,
Jerry Cochran
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| Subject: | Re: HEADset woes |
--> RV-List message posted by: carlos <carlosh@sec-engr.com>
FLYaDIVE@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/6/2006 10:33:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rv8striker@hotmail.com writes:
>
> I've talked to the techs a LS and they have no idea. They seem to
> think it's my airplane...but why does brand "B" (and my
> cheepos) work in my plane and theirs does not?
>
> I also talked to the guys in the avionics shop at work. They think
> it could be a mismatch between the LS's (stereo) and my cheepos.
> (mono)
>
> My next step is to try two stereo sets and see if that's the
> problem but in the meantime any ideas from you guys would be
> appreciated.
>
> Steve Struyk
> St. Charles MO
>
> ==============================
> Hi Steve:
>
> I think the avionics shop is on the right track but needs to refine
> their thought process just a bit.
>
> It is NOT the stereo, it is the MIC. The Mic is not stereo (not that
> it needs to be) and it could very well be the MIC impedance between
> the two different headsets that is causing the problem.
> Now to confuse you a bit further ... It is not the headsets, it is the
> intercom. Yes, there probably is a difference between the headsets
> impedance but it is the intercom, that is not being able to handle the
> difference that is causing the problem.
> The way to check this out is to use the same type of headset in BOTH
> the front and read seats at the same time; both Bose's and then both LS.
> ALSO ... It is important to check the following:
> 1 - Battery condition in ALL headsets.
> 2 - Position of the headset on the head ... Nice and secure, no
> air/sound leaks around the ear pieces.
> 3 - MIC position ... Close to the mouth, just above the upper lip ...
> So when opening the mouth in Awe (as you roll the plane) there is no
> rushing sound.
> 4 - Mic Muff - Make sure ALL mic's are muffed with that foam thing.
> 5 - NEVER leave a headset plugged in when it is not being used during
> flight. This is especially true of Noise Canceling headsets. Doing
> so will cause all sorts of noise problems.
>
> But, I'd bet it is the intercom with one of these problems:
> 1 - Impedance mismatch.
> 2 - Intercom has only ONE Squelch control; better to have a squelch
> and volume control for pilot & copilot. Note: 4 seat intercoms do not
> have a squelch for the passengers.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> *Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"*
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
I have had a similar problem with my plane. We have the Icom IC-A200 and
Sigtonics Sport 200 intercom and have had communication problems for
sometime. We went through everything. Changed the gain setings in our
headsets, redid all ground connections in the plane and even sent the
radio back for testing.
Just this morning I had another avionics guy look over our install. He
swapped intercoms and the problem was still there. A few minutes later
he removed the radio and found that on the radio itself has a mic
setting. It was set wide open (or closed?) so intercom between us sucked
and when we hit the PTT all TX went to hell! SQUUUEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!!!
Feedback. After he reset the mic setting everything is working properly
for all headsets. I have both mono & stereo.
So this may or may not be your exact solution but it's another avenue to
look into.
Carlos in Arizona
PL-1 - N2029 flying
RV7A - N174PP reserved
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| Subject: | Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dean Pichon" <deanpichon@msn.com>
Hi All,
I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if they
come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
install?
Thanks,
Dean Pichon
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
deanpichon@msn.com writes:
> Hi All,
>
> I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if
they
>
> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
> check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
> install?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dean Pichon
=======================
Dean:
It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not. You are supposed to check the
gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your gapping tool and gage.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson" <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying
aircraft!!!! Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
> In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> deanpichon@msn.com writes:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if
> they
>>
>> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
>> check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
>> install?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dean Pichon
> =======================
> Dean:
>
> It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not. You are supposed to check
> the
> gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your gapping tool and gage.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I see that the old hangar rats never sent you for a bucket of prop wash. Cut
the guy some slack.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of noel anderson
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson" <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying
aircraft!!!! Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
> In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> deanpichon@msn.com writes:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if
> they
>>
>> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
>> check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
>> install?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dean Pichon
> =======================
> Dean:
>
> It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not. You are supposed to check
> the
> gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your gapping tool and gage.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner?
Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask
questions?
And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least
learn to spell!
And,
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Skylor
--- noel anderson <nandrand@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson"
> <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this
> should not be flying
> aircraft!!!! Noel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > deanpichon@msn.com writes:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I just received some new Champion spark plugs
> and would like to know if
> > they
> >>
> >> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the
> moisture-proof packaging to
> >> check. Does anyone out there know whether or
> not these arrive ready to
> >> install?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dean Pichon
> > =======================
> > Dean:
> >
> > It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not.
> You are supposed to check
> > the
> > gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your
> gapping tool and gage.
> >
> > Barry
> > "Chop'd Liver"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner?
Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask
questions?
And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least
learn to spell!
And,
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Skylor
--- noel anderson <nandrand@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson"
> <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this
> should not be flying
> aircraft!!!! Noel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > deanpichon@msn.com writes:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I just received some new Champion spark plugs
> and would like to know if
> > they
> >>
> >> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the
> moisture-proof packaging to
> >> check. Does anyone out there know whether or
> not these arrive ready to
> >> install?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dean Pichon
> > =======================
> > Dean:
> >
> > It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not.
> You are supposed to check
> > the
> > gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your
> gapping tool and gage.
> >
> > Barry
> > "Chop'd Liver"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Click on
> about
> provided
> www.buildersbooks.com,
> Admin.
>
> browse
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner?
Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask
questions?
And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least
learn to spell!
And,
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Skylor
--- noel anderson <nandrand@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson"
> <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this
> should not be flying
> aircraft!!!! Noel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > deanpichon@msn.com writes:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I just received some new Champion spark plugs
> and would like to know if
> > they
> >>
> >> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the
> moisture-proof packaging to
> >> check. Does anyone out there know whether or
> not these arrive ready to
> >> install?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dean Pichon
> > =======================
> > Dean:
> >
> > It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not.
> You are supposed to check
> > the
> > gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your
> gapping tool and gage.
> >
> > Barry
> > "Chop'd Liver"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
noel anderson wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson" <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying
> aircraft!!!! Noel
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:Dum&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
From a Google definition search for 'dum':
# Also known as khaffarah. This is the atonement required of a pilgrim for
a willful violation of a prohibition or obligation whilst in the state
of Ihram.
www.ummah.net/hajj/glossary/
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://www.ummah.net/hajj/glossary/&usg=__deWCe8cu7SCE5TIGHKxXjoszR9M=>
# Steam cooking. Long before the west invented the pressure cooker India
had her own method which lasts to this day. A pot with a close fitting
lid is sealed with a ring of dough. The ingredients are then cooked in
their own steam under some pressure.
www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3012/glossary.htm
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&q=http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/3012/glossary.htm&usg=__umFnyvY35KmAUc3bt2yc9iwB_7o=>
Hmmm; maybe *that's* why some people say 'there are no dum questions'.
;-)
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| Subject: | Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Now that everyone is arguing over how stupid your question was, I'll answer
it.
If you're just starting out on your aviation experience, there's one very
important word your going to have to learn to apply, very often. That word
is PRUDENT. Now I'm sure Champion gaps the plugs before they leave the
factory by either an automated process or some poor smuck sitting there with
a gaping tool. But, because it's your butt on the line, do you want to trust
this process? Nope, it's prudent for you to check the gap of your plugs with
a feeler gage before you install them.
If you start looking around in the maintenance shops, you'll see that even
after removing new parts from the factory boxes, good mechanics will inspect
them visually and if dimensionally critical, they will pull the spec sheet
and check them for tolerance. Again, just being prudent.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
>
> In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> deanpichon@msn.com writes:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if
> they
>>
>> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
>> check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
>> install?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dean Pichon
> =======================
> Dean:
>
> It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not. You are supposed to check
> the
> gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your gapping tool and gage.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
> Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask
> questions?
ABSOLUTELY.... As my ole pappy yousta say: "In life you can ask ANY question
and maybe look foolish for a moment, or remain silent and be ignorant for
the rest of your life". Keep asking questions, the folks on these lists are
helpful & a great source of information and knowledge.
The newsletter editor of our EAA Chapter has a gaper tool AND a sparkplug
cleaner/tester. Plus he'll teach ya how to use them. He travels the world in
his job BUT his wife (just completing her A&P) will open up the hanger with
just a phone call. We here at Apple Valley, APV, rag on each other ALL the
time, but if ya'll ever need a hand, ya best move quickly or the "helpers"
will run ya over. KABONG 8*) Do Not Archive.
BUT checking gap AND testing spark is something we do even with new ones,
have found that NEW ones can be BAD even if gapped properly.
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner?
Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask
questions?
And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least
learn to spell!
And,
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
Skylor
==================================
Skylor:
I wish you would have cut & pasted a bit better. You attached my response to
that of someone else's. Please don't tie me up in your spelling contest. I
know I can't spell and neither can my computer no matter how hard I pound on
the keys.
Barry
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--> RV-List message posted by: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl@gvtc.com>
Since we are on this "topic", what are the favored gapping tools that people
use. I am a little tired of my cheapo thumbnut adjuster. Anyone tried the
one that has been advertised forever in GAN from LeDoux Aviation?
H. Ivan Haecker -4 1320 hrs. S. Cen. TX
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| Subject: | Re: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
Are you serious?? This is what the list is for. I've asked this question before,
as I am sure many new airplane owners would. Actually, I would think someone
was rather intelligent to ask this question, to be sure that he/she is installing
them properly and wants to make sure that the engine performs as it should.
People on this list who say that others ask "dum" questions, shouldn't be allowed
to answer such "dum" questions.
do not archive.
Paul Besing
noel anderson <nandrand@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson"
Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying
aircraft!!!! Noel
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
> In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> deanpichon@msn.com writes:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if
> they
>>
>> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
>> check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
>> install?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dean Pichon
> =======================
> Dean:
>
> It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not. You are supposed to check
> the
> gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your gapping tool and gage.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
My uncle ordered popovers
from the restaurant's bill of fare.
And when they were served,
he regarded them
with a penetrating stare . . .
Then he spoke great Words of Wisdom
as he sat there on that chair:
"To eat these things,"
said my uncle,
"you must exercise great care.
You may swallow down what's solid . . .
BUT . . .
you must spit out the air!"
And . . .
as you partake of the world's bill of fare,
that's darned good advice to follow.
Do a lot of spitting out the hot air.
And be careful what you swallow
No Dumb Questions Only Dumb Answers, Take Care of yourself
DO Not Archive
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
And who are you to respond in such a pompous manner?
Isn't the list supposed to be a place where people ask
questions?
And before you accuse other's of being "dum" at least
learn to spell!
And,
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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| Subject: | Gapping Champion Spark Plugs |
--> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Noel, I've been on this list for maybe eight years now, and that's the
dumbest comment I have seen yet. God, I hope you don't consider yourself a
pilot!
Terry
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of noel anderson
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
--> RV-List message posted by: "noel anderson" <nandrand@xtra.co.nz>
Hi team. people who ask dum questions like this should not be flying
aircraft!!!! Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gapping Champion Spark Plugs
>
> In a message dated 11/2/06 5:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> deanpichon@msn.com writes:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just received some new Champion spark plugs and would like to know if
> they
>>
>> come pre-gapped. I am reluctant to open the moisture-proof packaging to
>> check. Does anyone out there know whether or not these arrive ready to
>> install?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dean Pichon
> =======================
> Dean:
>
> It does not matter if they WERE gapped or not. You are supposed to check
> the
> gap BEFORE you install them. Pull out your gapping tool and gage.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> --
>
>
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