---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/05/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 06:35 AM - Grease Seals - Soak or not ? (Bill Schlatterer) 2. 06:39 AM - Test (Richard Dudley) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Grease Seals - Soak or not ? (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) 4. 07:31 AM - Palm Springs, CA Airports... (Bill VonDane) 5. 07:44 AM - Airflow Performance fuel servo set-up (RV-7 w/IO-390) (William Gill) 6. 08:28 AM - Re: Electronics International gages (John Danielson) 7. 09:37 AM - Re: Airflow Performance fuel servo set-up (RV-7 w/IO-390) (Dan Checkoway) 8. 10:12 AM - Re: Grease Seals - Soak or not ? (Peter Mather) 9. 10:28 AM - Re: Spark Plugs & Repairman (Dave Bristol) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: Spark Plugs & Repairman (Charlie England) 11. 02:28 PM - Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... (Tim Bryan) 12. 04:53 PM - Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... (Ron Lee) 13. 05:30 PM - Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... (David Leonard) 14. 06:59 PM - Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... (Tim Bryan) 15. 07:45 PM - RV-6 elevators needed (Brian Kraut) 16. 09:02 PM - Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... (RV6 Flyer) 17. 10:57 PM - Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... (Phyrcooler) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:30 AM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RV-List: Grease Seals - Soak or not ? Just assembled my wheels to gear and thought I went by Vans instructions pretty well. Later I looked at the instructions that came with the Cleveland wheels and they indicated that if you were using the felt wheel seals, which we do,. that you should soak the felt in 10 w motor oil before assembly. Re-read Vans instructions a couple of times and they never mention it. I was wondering if most folks did or did not soak the felt? Looks like it will become grease soaked anyway. Thanks Bill S 7a ark ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:42 AM PST US From: Richard Dudley Subject: RV-List: Test --> RV-List message posted by: Richard Dudley Test Do not archive RHDudley ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:41 AM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Grease Seals - Soak or not ? --> RV-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 11/5/06 9:43:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net writes: > I was wondering if most folks did or did not soak the felt? Looks like it > will become grease soaked anyway. > > Thanks Bill S > 7a ark =============== Well, grease soaked! I doubt it but grease coated SURE. You definitely want then coated or soaked somehow. If you put them together without any oil or grease; I would just squirt some oil on them. It will work its way in. Barry "Chop'd Liver" ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:09 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Hey all... We are going to be flying to the AOPA Expo tomorrow and planning on going to KTRM, but are open to other airports in the area if anyone has any suggestions... If anyone have any room in a hanger for my -8A that would be awesome too! Thanks! -Bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:13 AM PST US From: "William Gill" Subject: RV-List: Airflow Performance fuel servo set-up (RV-7 w/IO-390) Hello All, If anyone has any pictures of the throttle and mixture cable connections to the fuel servo, please send them my way. I am also trying to find a source for the cable end B-nuts that will fit through the linkage arms on the fuel servo or similar hardware for this purpose (Aircraft Spruce doesn't have). I have rotated the fuel servo 90 degrees that allows both the mixture and throttle arm linkages to be positioned slightly lower than the sump. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Best regards, Bill Gill Lee's Summit, MO ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:23 AM PST US From: "John Danielson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Electronics International gages I'll agree with Paul, their service is superb. I ordered a UBG 16 from Aircraft Spruce. The gauge they sent didn't have the same connectors for the probes as the instrument. After many calls and packages sent, I finally called EI and spoke with a women there who knew exactly what I wanted. She said send the probes back and she would send the probes with the correct connector. The probes arrived the next day. Couldn't be better. John Danielson -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronics International gages The dimming is kind of weird with their instruments in that they require multiple dimmers. I have the UBG 16 and the fuel flow meter as well. My panel rheostat for the LED/LCD is probably the wrong type, because it's kind of a all dark or all brite setting. The rheostat the came with the UBG16 works fine as advertised. I just wish there was a way to uniformly dim the entire panel. Other than that, the instruments are great. And you REALLY can't beat their customer service. First class. Paul Besing Paul Story wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Paul Story On Nov 3, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Emrath wrote: > --> RV-List message posted by: "Emrath" > > I would like to hear from folks using any of the Electronic > International > Gages. The backlighting for the digital read out portion may be > connected > to a panel rheostat to dim the backlighting. The instructions say to > permanently power up the backlight control line which is what I have > installed. However, I'm wondering about the merits of changing this > and run > the power lines thru a panel rheostat to be able to dim them. The LED > lights are on a separate dimmer, as per instructions. > Anyone have flying experience behind one or more of these gages to > provide > some user advice? Thanks. > > Marty in Brentwood TN {Wiring panel} Marty, I had the clock, UBG 16 and the fuel flow in my 172. The backlighting was never too bright even in the darkest of cockpit lighting. I hooked up the dimmer (for the LEDs and the _____ it today. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Airflow Performance fuel servo set-up (RV-7 w/IO-390) Doubt it would be any different than my IO-360-A* installation. http://www.rvproject.com/construction_log.html Granted the front-mounted gov'r and baffles are slightly different, but the AFP servo + horizontal sump should be identical. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1127 hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: William Gill To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: RV-List: Airflow Performance fuel servo set-up (RV-7 w/IO-390) Hello All, If anyone has any pictures of the throttle and mixture cable connections to the fuel servo, please send them my way. I am also trying to find a source for the cable end B-nuts that will fit through the linkage arms on the fuel servo or similar hardware for this purpose (Aircraft Spruce doesn't have). I have rotated the fuel servo 90 degrees that allows both the mixture and throttle arm linkages to be positioned slightly lower than the sump. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Best regards, Bill Gill Lee's Summit, MO ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:17 AM PST US From: "Peter Mather" Subject: Re: RV-List: Grease Seals - Soak or not ? Grease Seals - Soak or not ?Bill You should smear a thin layer of grease on the wheel seal holders and then I was taught to paint oil onto the felt disk itself using a small brush, bolt it all up and you should get a good seal Best regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schlatterer To: rv-list@matronics.com ; RV7A@yahoogroups.com ; rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: RV-List: Grease Seals - Soak or not ? Just assembled my wheels to gear and thought I went by Vans instructions pretty well. Later I looked at the instructions that came with the Cleveland wheels and they indicated that if you were using the felt wheel seals, which we do,. that you should soak the felt in 10 w motor oil before assembly. Re-read Vans instructions a couple of times and they never mention it. I was wondering if most folks did or did not soak the felt? Looks like it will become grease soaked anyway. Thanks Bill S 7a ark ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:09 AM PST US From: Dave Bristol Subject: Re: RV-List: Spark Plugs & Repairman The only privilege that the Repairman's Certificate gives you is signing off the condition inspection. How can you responsibly write in your logbook that: "this engine has been inspected in accordance with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43 and found to be in a condition for safe operation", if you haven't checked the plugs? Dave Bristol EAA Technical Counselor do not archive Skylor Piper wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper > >List, > >One thing that seems to be lost in the noise regarding >checking of spark plug gaps: > >You don't even need a repairman certifcate to legally >clean or replace spark plugs and set the spark plug >gap. > >This is clearly defined in Part 43, Appendix A, >supbart C, paragraph 20. > >Any owner licensed pilot/owner may perform preventive >maintenance of Part 91 aircraft, which includes >"Replacing or cleaning spark plugs and setting of >spark plug gap clearance." > >I bring this up, because much of the discussion >related to spark plug gapping seems to be centered >around "holders of repairman certificates". A >repairman certificate has absolutely nothing to do >with legally gapping spark plugs, though I assume most >believe that the holder of a repairman's certificate >should know how! > >Skylor > >__________________________________________________ > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:43 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Spark Plugs & Repairman --> RV-List message posted by: Charlie England I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I suspect that his point goes in the other direction (I'd go further): you don't need *any* authorization of any sort to change plugs (or anything else on a homebuilt), so the discussion of the Repairman's Cert. is all moot. I'm not talking about what makes sense; just what's *required*. Never, ever, encourage more regulation & further restrictions on your freedom. Charlie no titles, but legal repairs/changes to 4 different homebuilts, so far (none that I have held Repair. Certs on) Dave Bristol wrote: > The only privilege that the Repairman's Certificate gives you is > signing off the condition inspection. How can you responsibly write in > your logbook that: "this engine has been inspected in accordance > with the scope and detail of appendix D to part 43 and found to be in > a condition for safe operation", if you haven't checked the plugs? > > Dave Bristol > EAA Technical Counselor > > do not archive > > > Skylor Piper wrote: > >>--> RV-List message posted by: Skylor Piper >> >>List, >> >>One thing that seems to be lost in the noise regarding >>checking of spark plug gaps: >> >>You don't even need a repairman certifcate to legally >>clean or replace spark plugs and set the spark plug >>gap. >> >>This is clearly defined in Part 43, Appendix A, >>supbart C, paragraph 20. >> >>Any owner licensed pilot/owner may perform preventive >>maintenance of Part 91 aircraft, which includes >>"Replacing or cleaning spark plugs and setting of >>spark plug gap clearance." >> >>I bring this up, because much of the discussion >>related to spark plug gapping seems to be centered >>around "holders of repairman certificates". A >>repairman certificate has absolutely nothing to do >>with legally gapping spark plugs, though I assume most >>believe that the holder of a repairman's certificate >>should know how! >> >>Skylor >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:18 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Bill, isn't that Thermal? That is a ways from Palm Springs, about 45 minutes by car. There are a couple of airparks more toward Palm Desert that have commercial operations on them. Did you check those out? Can't tell you what they are any more, but have been to them. Tim Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Hey all... We are going to be flying to the AOPA Expo tomorrow and planning on going to KTRM, but are open to other airports in the area if anyone has any suggestions... If anyone have any room in a hanger for my -8A that would be awesome too! Thanks! -Bill ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:40 PM PST US X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 From: Ron Lee Subject: RE: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... At 03:26 PM 11/5/2006, you wrote: >Bill, isn't that Thermal? That is a ways from Palm Springs, about 45 >minutes by car. There are a couple of airparks more toward Palm Desert >that have commercial operations on them. Did you check those out? Can't >tell you what they are any more, but have been to them. > This is a start. Or use a sectional. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTRM Ron Lee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:29 PM PST US From: "David Leonard" Subject: Re: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Bill, We fly into Bermuda Dunes (UDD). It is about 10 miles away. I am flying up with a couple friend in a Lance so we can fit 3 bikes as well.... Another option is twentynine palms. TNP. It is pretty far away, but I think they are going to have a shuttle service. You can get all the info at the palm springs airport site: http://www.palmspringsairport.com/ Dave Leonard On 11/5/06, Ron Lee wrote: > > At 03:26 PM 11/5/2006, you wrote: > > Bill, isn't that Thermal? That is a ways from Palm Springs, about 45 > minutes by car. There are a couple of airparks more toward Palm Desert that > have commercial operations on them. Did you check those out? Can't tell > you what they are any more, but have been to them. > > > This is a start. Or use a sectional. > > http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTRM > > Ron Lee > > Do not archive > > * > > * > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:36 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Yea, that was one of them. I did my commercial checkride from Bermuda Dunes. Tim Do Not Archive _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Bill, We fly into Bermuda Dunes (UDD). It is about 10 miles away. I am flying up with a couple friend in a Lance so we can fit 3 bikes as well.... Another option is twentynine palms. TNP. It is pretty far away, but I think they are going to have a shuttle service. You can get all the info at the palm springs airport site: http://www.palmspringsairport.com/ Dave Leonard On 11/5/06, Ron Lee wrote: At 03:26 PM 11/5/2006, you wrote: Bill, isn't that Thermal? That is a ways from Palm Springs, about 45 minutes by car. There are a couple of airparks more toward Palm Desert that have commercial operations on them. Did you check those out? Can't tell you what they are any more, but have been to them. This is a start. Or use a sectional. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTRM Ron Lee Do not archive -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:54 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RV-List: RV-6 elevators needed I just bought an RV-6 project and both elevators are smashed. Anyone happen to have any spares or parts? Anyone with a tail kit they are not going any further with for a great price? Contact me at brian@engalt.com. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:24 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Why not fly right into Palm Springs? The last time I went to AOPA at Palm Springs, that is what I did. Parked my RV-6 between two high wing Cessnas. They did not have RAMP fees back then. Not sure what they charge now. It says that there is reduced fuel and tiedown rates and FREE shuttle from TRM but there is NO shuttle from DDU. http://www.aopa.org/expo/2006/procedures.pdf Sound like you are going early. It does not start till 9th. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,964 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: Palm Springs, CA Airports... Hey all... We are going to be flying to the AOPA Expo tomorrow and planning on going to KTRM, but are open to other airports in the area if anyone has any suggestions... If anyone have any room in a hanger for my -8A that would be awesome too! Thanks! -Bill _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:04 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Palm Springs, CA Airports... From: "Phyrcooler" KTRM is only about 30 - 35 minutes from PS... but definitely further away than KPSP or KUDD. From KTRM - exit the airport and turn right on "Airport Blvd" and go to the Hwy. 86 expressway. Turn left (North) and take the expressway to I-10. Go west on I-10 to the Ramon Rd. exit and then west again and on into Palm Springs. They (KTRM) have a lot of new hangers - many still empty. Don't know what kind of deal they may work for you to park in one for a few days. Weather is chamber of commerce nice this time of year... so may not be worth the hassle unless you really want your baby inside. UDD is a nice little airport (and I can hit it with a rock from my house). They do have rental cars available, but I don't know if any type of shuttle will be running to PS. VERY doubtful you could find hanger space. I only do touch and go's at PSP - and can't attest to any tie-down costs or services. But you ARE right there in town that way. dj Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72526#72526