---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/07/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: Fuel sensors (Charlie Kuss) 2. 05:53 AM - Re: Flush Latch Source ? (Rick Galati) 3. 06:36 AM - Re: [RV-8] Wire marking labels (Bill Swaim) 4. 07:54 AM - Re: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? (Dave Henderson) 5. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? (Dale Ensing) 6. 06:33 PM - Re: Electronics International gages (dick martin) 7. 08:41 PM - MDRA rule change (Jim Jewell) 8. 11:16 PM - Re: MDRA rule change (Rob Prior (rv7)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:05 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Fuel sensors Ron, Good advice. However, I have to take exception with your cost assessment for using fuel injection versus a carburetor. Aircraft Spruce sells the Precision Silverhawk system for $2400. Considering that you can sell your new or overhauled carburetor for $1000 (or more if new), that makes the "difference" only $1400. The ability to run lean of peak with fuel injection will allow you to recoup a savings in future fuel costs. Charlie Kuss >David, > >Your post brings up a subject which merits some discussion. I often >hear builders saying they want to do "limited aerobatics" so they >are installing this or that thingamajig on their RV. As delivered, >the RV (except the 9 and 10) is capable of many aerobatic maneuvers >and it is a joy to flop about with reckless abandon, knowing that it >will eventually come out upright with the pointy end going ahead of >the tail. Generally the "as delivered" RV is capable of most >POSITIVE "G" maneuvers and this gives it quite a long list of >available aerobatic options. David, I'm not picking on you, but >just adding a flop tube in one of your fuel tanks is not going to >give you NEGATIVE "G" capability and thus expand the range of >aerobatic maneuvers. > >A carburetor will starve your engine immediately at negative >"G". Cost of a fuel injection system: $3000+ >Snipped ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:03 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Flush Latch Source ? From: "Rick Galati" This may be what you are looking for. http://tinyurl.com/yamptp Bill Schlatterer wrote: > Does anyone know where to find this latch. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72813#72813 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:33 AM PST US From: "Bill Swaim" Subject: RV-List: Re: [RV-8] Wire marking labels Ditto - Use it for my business & the RV. Great little machine and also purchased it from labelcity.com Bill Swaim RV7 Slow Build Fuselage N615KS Reserved ----- Original Message ----- From: Mich=E8le Delsol To: RV-8@yahoogroups.com Cc: RVFrance@yahoogroupes.fr ; rvsqn@yahoogroups.com ; rv-list@matronics.com ; adherents@vansclubdefrance.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:16 AM Subject: [RV-8] Wire marking labels Just purchased a Dymo Rhino5000 - great little machine for printing labels. The really neat part is that you can purchase 6mm & 9mm yellow shrink wrap tubing to print on. Printing can be wrap around the shrink wrap horizontally or vertically, print sizes from extra small (really very very small) to very large (limit would be half the tubes circumference. Got it from labelcity.com - good prices, fast delivery. This solution is obviously costlier than using transparent shrink wrap on paper standard printer labels but what a great time saver, and a professional looking job to. I thought I'd contribute this tidbit. Michele Delsol RV8 fuselage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/jrDrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV-8/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: RV-8-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:10 AM PST US From: "Dave Henderson" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? Yes, that is what I used. B&B Sales sell them, $5.00 each. They work VERY well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? Does anyone know where to find this latch. It's very simple and clean and I would like to use it for an oil door latch. Saw it on a Micco a couple of weeks ago. The link below is to a Fairchild Fasteners catalog but I can't seem to find a source. Any help appreciated. http://www-glast.slac.stanford.edu/MechanicalSystems/Analysis/References/ Ven dor/Other/camloc_ram-h.pdf <<...>> Thanks Bill S 7a engine ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:57 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? Flush Latch Source ?Are two really needed on the oil door if you stiffen the door? Dale Ensing From: Dave Henderson To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; rv-list@matronics.com ; RV7A@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: RV-List: RE: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? Yes, that is what I used. B&B Sales sell them, $5.00 each. They work VERY well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:06 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com; RV7A@yahoogroups.com; rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: Flush Latch Source ? Does anyone know where to find this latch. It's very simple and clean and I would like to use it for an oil door latch. Saw it on a Micco a couple of weeks ago. The link below is to a Fairchild Fasteners catalog but I can't seem to find a source. Any help appreciated. http://www-glast.slac.stanford.edu/MechanicalSystems/Analysis/References/ Vendor/Other/camloc_ram-h.pdf <<...>> Thanks Bill S 7a engine ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:07 PM PST US From: "dick martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Electronics International gages Marty, I have over 1300 hours in my RV8 equipped with the EI fuel gauge(with capacitance sensors) and powered with a reostat lighting. I works perfect with no problems and is accurate within one gallon. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrath" Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Electronics International gages > > I would like to hear from folks using any of the Electronic International > Gages. The backlighting for the digital read out portion may be connected > to a panel rheostat to dim the backlighting. The instructions say to > permanently power up the backlight control line which is what I have > installed. However, I'm wondering about the merits of changing this and > run > the power lines thru a panel rheostat to be able to dim them. The LED > lights are on a separate dimmer, as per instructions. > Anyone have flying experience behind one or more of these gages to provide > some user advice? Thanks. > > Marty in Brentwood TN {Wiring panel} > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:52 PM PST US From: "Jim Jewell" Subject: RV-List: MDRA rule change Canadian interest content follows, My RV6-a is a 180 horse lycoming with C/S night VFR The empty weight came in at 1135 lb. A month or two ago I registered my RV6-a with the MOT. The application included a requested gross weight which I set at 1775 lb. A week later I received the as applied for registration which now resides in the aircraft as required. No changes indicated or requested.by the MOT. My local inspector is an acquaintance. His inspection process was professional diligent and helpful in all regards. He is a highly trained aircraft structural AME. by trade with an all consuming interest in aviation. Yesterday upon having completed the final inspection process of my RV6-a he had to inform me of the following; It has been decided that the maximum gross weight during the 25 hr. flight test period will be set by the MDRA at the kit manufacturers stated (in my case 1650 lb.) regardless of the applicant's requested weight. It is as yet unclear to me and the inspector exactly how this will effect my intention to maintain the previously applied for and accepted 1775 maximum gross weight. Is this little more than a mild shifting of weight by the MDRA with little or no effect on the builders? Will I have to re-test the aircraft for some as yet undetermined additional flight period?. It might mean that I have to re-do the gross weight climb test at the requested 1775 lb. weight. Will the onus be on me to go through a structural testing regime to prove the airframe is up to the task. The first three options can be complied with, the later would of course be out of the question. I have no word from the MDRA administration or the local provincial rep. as to the why's and how's this rule change was arrived at. No advance warning. No background or explanations offered to the local inspector. No word as to where this will leave me in dealing with the MOT ? I was informed that after the 25 hr. test period I will be on my own with the MOT. in this regard. No opportunity at all to have input on the matter! My bet is that after turning over one or two rocks in this pile,, a lawyer will be found !? Jim in Kelowna ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:31 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior (rv7)" Subject: Re: RV-List: MDRA rule change On 20:41:18 2006-11-07 "Jim Jewell" wrote: > A month or two ago I registered my RV6-a with the MOT. The application > included a requested gross weight which I set at 1775 lb. What criteria did you use to arrive at this new gross weight? Did you do any structural analysis of the airframe to confirm that it will handle the increased gross weight? What will be your aerobatic gross weight? Are you increasing that as well? What analysis have you done to support those numbers? Has anyone done analysis to show that the RV-6 will operate safely at 1775 gross and CAR/FAR Part 23 limits? > Will the onus be on me to go through a structural testing regime to > prove the airframe is up to the task. No offense intended, but if you haven't gone through the structural testing, or know of someone who has, or perhaps have the blessing in writing from Van's Aircraft, I would go so far as to say you are foolhardy to request the increased gross weight in the first place. Why not just request the book gross weight, and load it up with whatever you want to? It's no safer. Please keep in mind that when building an RV-6 as per the plans, the kit manufacturer's engineering analysis limits the airframe to a specific gross weight. If you have made structural changes to the airframe to raise that gross weight, you are no longer building a Van's RV-6. You are building a Jim Jewell Mk. 1, and Transport Canada has every right to request your engineering justification for every structural piece on the aircraft. If you haven't made structural changes, you're taking a risk with yourself and your passengers. Many RV-6's have been built and registered at gross weights over the Van's limit. It doesn't make it safe. -Rob