---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/13/06: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:40 AM - WLAS [Please Read] (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:10 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (Dale Ensing) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: WLAS [Please Read] (John Huft) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (Darwin N. Barrie) 4. 06:15 AM - Re: ADS-B (Darwin N. Barrie) 5. 06:19 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (smitty@smittysrv.com) 6. 06:55 AM - aircraft kit data (Brian Meyette) 7. 07:27 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (Dale Ensing) 8. 07:29 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (Bob Collins) 9. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (David Leonard) 10. 08:16 AM - 5702-75-060 Washer (Valovich, Paul) 11. 08:28 AM - Re: 5702-75-060 Washer (Tim Bryan) 12. 08:37 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (Chuck Jensen) 13. 08:39 AM - Re: 5702-75-060 Washer (JAMES BOWEN) 14. 08:59 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty) 15. 09:04 AM - Re: ADS-B (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 16. 09:08 AM - Trip to Vans (Stephanie Marshall) 17. 09:50 AM - Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) (John Jessen) 18. 10:03 AM - how to handle grip switch wiring (Brian Meyette) 19. 10:30 AM - Re: how to handle grip switch wiring (Oliver Washburn) 20. 11:12 AM - RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES (Condon, Philip M.) 21. 11:12 AM - VM1000C wire (Parker Thomas) 22. 11:37 AM - Re: how to handle grip switch wiring (Gerry Filby) 23. 11:42 AM - Re: how to handle grip switch wiring (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 24. 11:46 AM - Re: how to handle grip switch wiring (Steve Struyk) 25. 11:49 AM - Re: VM1000C wire (Ralph E. Capen) 26. 11:59 AM - Re: Trip to Vans (Ken Howell) 27. 12:04 PM - Re: VM1000C wire (Bob J.) 28. 12:08 PM - Re: ADS-B (Kevin Horton) 29. 12:17 PM - Re: VM1000C wire (Tim Bryan) 30. 12:49 PM - Re: VM1000C wire (Ralph E. Capen) 31. 01:22 PM - Re: ADS-B (Dan Checkoway) 32. 02:35 PM - Re: ADS-B (Kevin Horton) 33. 02:37 PM - Re: ADS-B (Chuck Jensen) 34. 03:22 PM - Re: ADS-B (Tim Olson) 35. 03:56 PM - Re: how to handle grip switch wiring (LarryRobertHelming) 36. 04:39 PM - Re: ADS-B (Tim Bryan) 37. 07:42 PM - Skytec 149-12LS starter (Dan Ross) 38. 07:57 PM - Re: Skytec 149-12LS starter (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:04 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: WLAS [Please Read] Dear Listers, I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year. I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they are to them. I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do, won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch* feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how it works.) Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!! -Owen B I love The Matronics... -Robeto B My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists! -Hal B These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby. -Bob R The best source of information for my a/c. -Tony C The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning. -Herbert H You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are still an after-the-fact resource. -Ben B ..an excellent site. -Ashley M The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith CH 701 project!! -Brian U I appreciate the list being here for me. -Geoff H ..a great service. -William C The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility. -David M Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project. -Thomas S ..a great service. -Robert W The Pietenpol list is a great resource. -Benjamin W The Yak-list is Awesome! -James S ..great service. -Robert S The features you have implemented recently have you poised to knock out yahoo groups... -Danny D I like how your forum looks/works and the list service... -Ken E ..great service. -David P Very useful web site. -Wayne E ..a very valuable service. -Chris D Great sites... -Randall R I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it. -Wayne E Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark... -Fergus K The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the donation... -Lee P ..great service! -Christopher D I really don't think I could be building my plane without the wisdom I find on this list. -William G It really makes building a pleasure. -James P ..great service. -Doug W I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't think I could have done it with out the help of the forum. -Stanislaus S Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you. -Jim G Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others... -Michael S ..good service. -Derek L The list is responsible for helping me complete this project and educating me in the process. -Jeff D Definitely worth the donation. -Ron L ..great service to the aviation community. -Tony P I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still get valuable information from this service. -Don N A very helpful site. -Roland S It's a great community to be part of. -David L Great sites. -John C A great place to find and share not only information but to meet people across the country and make lasting relationships. -Uncle Craig Great facility. -Peter H Its a great source of information! -Michael W Great improvements to the List... -Edward A Great service!!! -Rich D ..great resource! -William C ..excellent lists! -Michael S Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list. -Warren M ..a great service... -James N I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the building of my Europa. -Svein J ..another great year. -Robert D ..this [is an] essential builder's resource. -David A ..excellent service. -Gregory B I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year and look forward to it every day! -Smith M ..a great communication tool... -Jon M Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on your great list! -Lothar K ..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto place for my RV questions. -Mike D ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:21 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) Would like to add my .02 that Mr. Shook's comments also express my feeling precisely. It felt like I was reading spam. Dale Ensing do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill shook" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) > > I really don't think the original complaint would have been made if the > original post > wasn't written in a very sales oriented fashion. We all see and hear > commercials every > day where we are bombarded with the website or the company name every > other word...which > is how the original was worded. Whether or not it was a sales pitch is in > the eyes of > the beholder but it certainly came across that way. It was not worded > like a guy > recommending a website he uses a lot, it looked and read very much like an > advertisement > using the RV-List as a way of spamming people. > > That is not to say it isn't a very good website offered by a very nice > guy...it is only > to say that even good services should not be allowed to use this list as > advertisement....elsewise we end up with tons of sales spam to sort > through and the list > very quickly becomes unreadable. If the original post had read something > like "hey have > you guys seen this weathermeister.com? I think it's the bee's knees." I > think it would > have sailed through unmolested. It did not read that way however...it > smelled, tasted, > and had the texture of a sales pitch...which is not read kindly in a place > like this. > > Just my .02 > > Bill > -4 wings > > Do not archive > > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US From: John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: WLAS [Please Read] Matt I donated from my paypal account from john@lazy8.net but, I am subscribed from another account, rv8@lazy8.net hope you can cross it and stop the fund raising messages. John Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year. I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they are to them. > > I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do, won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch* feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how it works.) > > Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ > > Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!! > -Owen B > > I love The Matronics... > -Robeto B > > My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists! > -Hal B > > These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby. > -Bob R > > The best source of information for my a/c. > -Tony C > > The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning. > -Herbert H > > You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known > about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are > still an after-the-fact resource. > -Ben B > > ..an excellent site. > -Ashley M > > The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith > CH 701 project!! > -Brian U > > I appreciate the list being here for me. > -Geoff H > > ..a great service. > -William C > > The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility. > -David M > > Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project. > -Thomas S > > ..a great service. > -Robert W > > The Pietenpol list is a great resource. > -Benjamin W > > The Yak-list is Awesome! > -James S > > ..great service. > -Robert S > > The features you have implemented recently have you poised > to knock out yahoo groups... > -Danny D > > I like how your forum looks/works and the list service... > -Ken E > > ..great service. > -David P > > Very useful web site. > -Wayne E > > ..a very valuable service. > -Chris D > > Great sites... > -Randall R > > I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so > cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it. > -Wayne E > > Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark... > -Fergus K > > The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the > donation... > -Lee P > > ..great service! > -Christopher D > > I really don't think I could be building my plane without the > wisdom I find on this list. > -William G > > It really makes building a pleasure. > -James P > > ..great service. > -Doug W > > I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't > think I could have done it with out the help of the forum. > -Stanislaus S > > Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you. > -Jim G > > Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others... > -Michael S > > ..good service. > -Derek L > > The list is responsible for helping me complete this project > and educating me in the process. > -Jeff D > > Definitely worth the donation. > -Ron L > > ..great service to the aviation community. > -Tony P > > I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still > get valuable information from this service. > -Don N > > A very helpful site. > -Roland S > > It's a great community to be part of. > -David L > > Great sites. > -John C > > A great place to find and share not only information but to > meet people across the country and make lasting relationships. > -Uncle Craig > > Great facility. > -Peter H > > Its a great source of information! > -Michael W > > Great improvements to the List... > -Edward A > > Great service!!! > -Rich D > > ..great resource! > -William C > > ..excellent lists! > -Michael S > > Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list. > -Warren M > > ..a great service... > -James N > > I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the > building of my Europa. > -Svein J > > ..another great year. > -Robert D > > ..this [is an] essential builder's resource. > -David A > > ..excellent service. > -Gregory B > > I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year > and look forward to it every day! > -Smith M > > ..a great communication tool... > -Jon M > > Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on > your great list! > -Lothar K > > ..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto > place for my RV questions. > -Mike D > > ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================ > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:43 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) I sincerely hope that those who have complained about Dan charging $5 for the use of his weather information also quit using his web site to assist you in building your plane. I don't find any of the FREE sites as easy to use as Dan's site. It shocks me to think that people building and flying their own RV wouldn't pony up $5 a month for a great site to make their flight safer and easier to plan. Further, the same people who are complaining I'll bet have used Dan's site extensively. Knowing Dan, he probably has the methodology to track who has visited and how much. I'm fairly confident that Dan isn't ready to order a new Whizbang 5000 as a result of his bank account growing. Finally, think of this. If you eliminate any one of the following list PER MONTH you could have Weathermeister. 1 fast food meal 1 fancy coffee drink 1 magazine off a rack 1 carwash (do it yourself) 1 pack of cigarettes for those who smoke 4 Big Gulps 1 pay per view movie .5 delivered pizza You get the point. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:00 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B I agree with Tim on this. The implementation of the ADS-B will take considerable time, up to 10 years. Further the TIS system will be active for years despite it being decommed in a few areas. And, I don't think ADS-B will render all of the current transponders obsolete. When I was building and planning to use the Garmin 330S coupled with my Garmin 430 for traffic many thought I was wasting money. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I did spend approximately $1800 more for the 330S over the 327 but the cost/benefit ratio is there. My home airport is under the Class B of Phx Sky Harbor. A lot is going on. Additionally, I'm only 5 miles from Chandler Airport where there is a ton of training in both FW and helicopters. Much of this with people who barely speak English and are not familiar with the area. The TIS has been invaluable in avoiding traffic. There are times when when sunlight conditions, haziness etc.... don't give you a good look out side. The TIS gives you target distance, position, direction of travel, altitude above/below you. With this you can usually spot traffic that you might not have otherwise seen. Some too close for comfort. If you are in this phase of planning and live in an area where you'd benefit definitely give it some thought. Money well spent. Especially considering the overall cost of the project. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:03 AM PST US From: "smitty@smittysrv.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) So, I take it that if I find a great product or service that can help another builder, I am going to be accused of being a Spammer? Lighten up.... Original Message: ----------------- From: Dale Ensing densing@carolina.rr.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) Would like to add my .02 that Mr. Shook's comments also express my feeling precisely. It felt like I was reading spam. Dale Ensing do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill shook" Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) > > I really don't think the original complaint would have been made if the > original post > wasn't written in a very sales oriented fashion. We all see and hear > commercials every > day where we are bombarded with the website or the company name every > other word...which > is how the original was worded. Whether or not it was a sales pitch is in > the eyes of > the beholder but it certainly came across that way. It was not worded > like a guy > recommending a website he uses a lot, it looked and read very much like an > advertisement > using the RV-List as a way of spamming people. > > That is not to say it isn't a very good website offered by a very nice > guy...it is only > to say that even good services should not be allowed to use this list as > advertisement....elsewise we end up with tons of sales spam to sort > through and the list > very quickly becomes unreadable. If the original post had read something > like "hey have > you guys seen this weathermeister.com? I think it's the bee's knees." I > think it would > have sailed through unmolested. It did not read that way however...it > smelled, tasted, > and had the texture of a sales pitch...which is not read kindly in a place > like this. > > Just my .02 > > Bill > -4 wings > > Do not archive > > > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:54 AM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RV-List: aircraft kit data I've made an Excel spreadsheet of kit aircraft data, and put it up on my web site. I'm sure it still contains lots of errors and omissions, but I thought I'd get it out to people while I continue to perfect it. Please let me know of any errors or omissions, and I'll keep it updated on an ongoing basis for the benefit of all homebuilders. Please feel free to copy this link & info to other homebuilders' lists. brian http://brian76.mystarband.net/misc.htm#directory -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 7:34 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:43 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) Smitty I think you are missing the point. Lighten up.... do not archieve > So, I take it that if I find a great product or service that can help > another builder, I am going to be accused of being a Spammer? > > Lighten up.... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:33 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) // I sincerely hope that those who have complained about Dan charging $5 for the use of his weather information also quit using his web site to assist you in building your plane. I don't find any of the FREE sites as easy to use as Dan's site. I'm wonder ing if any of them have donated to Matt for THIS free service. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:07 AM PST US From: "David Leonard" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weathermeister (SPAM) On 11/12/06, Bob C. wrote: > Nobody said it wasn't worth it . . . It probably is worth it if you fly a > number of trips. > > But the original email in this chain said it was FREE . . . it's NOT and > that's OK . . . it's just not accurate to say it's FREE when it's not! > > Bob, there is a portions of Weathermiester that is still free, and it is very valuable. Except for winds, it is basicly what he was offering for free before the big upgrade. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:05 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer From: "Valovich, Paul" Monday morning - can't get through to Vans. Have hung the tail and am now connecting the elevator push rods on my -8A QB. Drawing 25 shows F-840 and F-839 connecting to the aft stick wiedement WD-412A. However, for the aft connection only, the drawing specifies two 5702-75-060 washers. What the hell is a 5702-75-060 washer? I checked the hardware sections of the both the Standard Aircraft Handbook and AC 43.13-1B and couldn't find it. Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:19 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer Hi Paul, I think they were the small outside diameter washers that I used to put next to the bearings. They are only as big around as the bearing surface so they don't cause any clamping of the bearing. None came in my kit (-6) but I ordered some from Van's. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer Monday morning - can't get through to Vans. Have hung the tail and am now connecting the elevator push rods on my -8A QB. Drawing 25 shows F-840 and F-839 connecting to the aft stick wiedement WD-412A. However, for the aft connection only, the drawing specifies two 5702-75-060 washers. What the hell is a 5702-75-060 washer? I checked the hardware sections of the both the Standard Aircraft Handbook and AC 43.13-1B and couldn't find it. Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:45 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) From: "Chuck Jensen" Darwin, No matter how illogical, it's the nature of builders to suffer from what I call, the "Baby Bird Syndrome"....cheap, cheap,cheap. Chuck Jensen P.S. Even when free, I contributed $25/yr. I figure if I can pay Jeppesen hundreds per year to put data, generated at the tax payer expense, on a flash card, the least I can do is contribute to a most-excellent site that I find uniquely useful. Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darwin N. Barrie Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) I sincerely hope that those who have complained about Dan charging $5 for the use of his weather information also quit using his web site to assist you in building your plane. I don't find any of the FREE sites as easy to use as Dan's site. It shocks me to think that people building and flying their own RV wouldn't pony up $5 a month for a great site to make their flight safer and easier to plan. Further, the same people who are complaining I'll bet have used Dan's site extensively. Knowing Dan, he probably has the methodology to track who has visited and how much. I'm fairly confident that Dan isn't ready to order a new Whizbang 5000 as a result of his bank account growing. Finally, think of this. If you eliminate any one of the following list PER MONTH you could have Weathermeister. 1 fast food meal 1 fancy coffee drink 1 magazine off a rack 1 carwash (do it yourself) 1 pack of cigarettes for those who smoke 4 Big Gulps 1 pay per view movie .5 delivered pizza You get the point. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:39 AM PST US From: "JAMES BOWEN" Subject: RE: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer I use the inventory list as a guide sometimes. Jim RV-8 >From: "Valovich, Paul" >To: >Subject: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:15:17 -0500 > >Monday morning - can't get through to Vans. Have hung the tail and am >now connecting the elevator push rods on my -8A QB. Drawing 25 shows >F-840 and F-839 connecting to the aft stick wiedement WD-412A. However, >for the aft connection only, the drawing specifies two 5702-75-060 >washers. > > >What the hell is a 5702-75-060 washer? I checked the hardware sections >of the both the Standard Aircraft Handbook and AC 43.13-1B and couldn't >find it. > >Paul Valovich > >Ridgecrest, CA > _________________________________________________________________ Live Search! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) Dan, has done a great job with his website and all that he has done to promote Van's and experimental aircraft construction is just great for all of us building planes. From my first visit to his site and through my empennage order and now my fuselage and wings his site has been very important to me. Thanks Dan for all your hard work. I appreciate the value of your workmanship and your knowledge. Hope to meet you someday. Thanks. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) > > > So, I take it that if I find a great product or service that can help > another builder, I am going to be accused of being a Spammer? > > Lighten up.... > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Dale Ensing densing@carolina.rr.com > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:09:28 -0500 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) > > > > Would like to add my .02 that Mr. Shook's comments also express my feeling > precisely. It felt like I was reading spam. > Dale Ensing > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill shook" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:11 PM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) > > >> >> I really don't think the original complaint would have been made if the >> original post >> wasn't written in a very sales oriented fashion. We all see and hear >> commercials every >> day where we are bombarded with the website or the company name every >> other word...which >> is how the original was worded. Whether or not it was a sales pitch is > in >> the eyes of >> the beholder but it certainly came across that way. It was not worded >> like a guy >> recommending a website he uses a lot, it looked and read very much like > an >> advertisement >> using the RV-List as a way of spamming people. >> >> That is not to say it isn't a very good website offered by a very nice >> guy...it is only >> to say that even good services should not be allowed to use this list as >> advertisement....elsewise we end up with tons of sales spam to sort >> through and the list >> very quickly becomes unreadable. If the original post had read something >> like "hey have >> you guys seen this weathermeister.com? I think it's the bee's knees." I >> think it would >> have sailed through unmolested. It did not read that way however...it >> smelled, tasted, >> and had the texture of a sales pitch...which is not read kindly in a > place >> like this. >> >> Just my .02 >> >> Bill >> -4 wings >> >> Do not archive >> >> >> >> http://new.mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: ADS-B From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" FWIW, the government is also supplying the data to Jepp at no charge. We basically pay for packaging options. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: ADS-B The gvmt is supplying the weather data to XM and anybody else who wants it in the first place. This data and the means of acquisition have already been paid for by taxpayers. It is available to these same taxpayers (pilots) for free from Duat(s), just not in flight. It is available to current users of ADS-B on the east coast and in Alaska. There is nothing to keep people from adding value to the data in terms of delivery and display options and reselling it, but what your senator is saying is that we should stifle dissemination of free data to prop up private enterprise. One senator does not a consensus make. Write letters to his office to try and convince him and/or vote him out. The FAA has a mandate to promote safety. How would this mandate be met by denying timely weather data to pilots who don't subscribe to a pay per view service when weather related accidents are still the leading cause of fatalities? There will be a notice of proposed rulemaking and comment period. Don't hold back when that occurs. Pax, Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B Ed Holyoke wrote: > >I attended a lecture at AOPA convention given by the FAA subgroup that >is implementing ADS-B. According to these folks, the administrator has >committed the FAA to making it work all over the country. It'll take >years to do, but someday we'll be able to get inflight weather and >traffic displayed for free. > FWIW, I seem to remember that a Senator was trying to block the FAA from providing anything other than collision avoidance info. Seems like one of the weather info providers is in his state, and the senator agreed that the Gov't was going to become a competitor and that might not be a good thing for the industry in his state. I'm not hopeful that much 'free' will remain when politics wrtaps it's arms around anything. Linn do not archive > At some point, maybe ten years from now, the airborne component that >broadcasts position and vector info will be required to fly near big >airports as transponders are now. Transponders may or may not go away >sometime later. They haven't figured it out. TIS may or may not >continue to be supported. I'm not going to be buying a mode S >transponder anytime soon. The other airborne component that receives >and displays uploaded info from the ground stations will be optional. > >Right now, the equipment is real ass expensive. Now that the FAA has >committed to it, more manufacturers will start to make equipment for it >and all these software folks will support it on their displays. Maybe >they'll get smart and come up with some sort of open architecture so the >receivers will interface with different brands of display equipment. It >should become more affordable as time goes by. XM weather is great, and >at $50/mo, not worth it on the left side of the Rockies, at least not to >me. The price of admission for ADS-B won't be cheap, but at least there >won't be a monthly fee on top of it. I'm waiting to see how it shakes >out. > >Pax, > >Ed Holyoke > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:06 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Trip to Vans From: "Stephanie Marshall" Hey everyone, Since our move to Wichita I have been really out of the loop, but hopefully SOON things will start up again with the building. (www.rv-8.org ) We are going to be ordering our wings next month, and we are planning a trip to Oregon to pick them up (and see family) probably in February. Does anyone want to help us with gas in exchange for us picking up things (like wings or fuselage) for them? We have a 3500 Dodge diesel and we are taking our 20 foot trailer as well (http://www.rv-8.org/date_index/20050618.htm). If you want to talk about it drop me a line! Cheers, Stephanie Marshall smarshall@NetSystems.com www.rv-8.info www.baron-rose.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:33 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) Actually, as I read it, I absolutely thought it was advertising and well written advertising at that. I don't mind Dan getting some bucks back for all the work he's put in to one of his passions (music, I believe, is another), but I do think this all came about because of the piece of marketing that wasn't. Enough said on the topic, that's for sure. John Jessen #40328 Please, do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill shook Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:12 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Weathermeister (SPAM) I really don't think the original complaint would have been made if the original post wasn't written in a very sales oriented fashion. We all see and hear commercials every day where we are bombarded with the website or the company name every other word...which is how the original was worded. Whether or not it was a sales pitch is in the eyes of the beholder but it certainly came across that way. It was not worded like a guy recommending a website he uses a lot, it looked and read very much like an advertisement using the RV-List as a way of spamming people. That is not to say it isn't a very good website offered by a very nice guy...it is only to say that even good services should not be allowed to use this list as advertisement....elsewise we end up with tons of sales spam to sort through and the list very quickly becomes unreadable. If the original post had read something like "hey have you guys seen this weathermeister.com? I think it's the bee's knees." I think it would have sailed through unmolested. It did not read that way however...it smelled, tasted, and had the texture of a sales pitch...which is not read kindly in a place like this. Just my .02 Bill -4 wings Do not archive http://new.mail.yahoo.com -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:00 AM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring How are people dealing with handling the moving wires in the case of a plane with control stick grip switches? It seems the least amount of wiring movement would be had if I drill a hole in the side of the stick (this is RV-7A, but presumably same situation for all RV models) right near the weld, closest to the pivot point. But it would be extremely difficult to feed wires down the tube, then get them to make a 90 degree turn out the side of the stick. In the case of Infinity Aerospace grips with the wire bundle having about a dozen wires in it and being -5/16 in diameter, this would be even more difficult. If the wires are run out the bottom of the stick, it looks like the wires will have to be moving around quite a bit with the stick. I can see leaving enough slack to allow for the full range of stick movement, but I am concerned about causing fatigue in the wires with so much constant wire movement. It will also have to be carefully laid out so it cant catch on anything. I know lots of people have RVs with stick grip switches. How are others handling this? Thanks, brian http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 7:34 PM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:59 AM PST US From: "Oliver Washburn" Subject: Re: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring Just let it all hang out. 6 years, 1100 hours and they haven't broken yet. Ollie 6A ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Meyette To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring How are people dealing with handling the moving wires in the case of a plane with control stick grip switches? It seems the least amount of wiring movement would be had if I drill a hole in the side of the stick (this is RV-7A, but presumably same situation for all RV models) right near the weld, closest to the pivot point. But it would be extremely difficult to feed wires down the tube, then get them to make a 90 degree turn out the side of the stick. In the case of Infinity Aerospace grips with the wire bundle having about a dozen wires in it and being =BC"-5/16" in diameter, this would be even more difficult. If the wires are run out the bottom of the stick, it looks like the wires will have to be moving around quite a bit with the stick. I can see leaving enough slack to allow for the full range of stick movement, but I am concerned about causing fatigue in the wires with so much constant wire movement. It will also have to be carefully laid out so it can't catch on anything. I know lots of people have RVs with stick grip switches. How are others handling this? Thanks, brian http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:54 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES From: "Condon, Philip M." RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES Van's Aircraft's entry in the LSA category had its first flight last Thursday. The mini-RV, which sports many of the characteristics of its larger stablemates (bubble canopy and a big, fat wing), was flown by company founder Dick VanGrunsven, who put it through a variety of speed profiles and basic handling tests. "It's far too early to make any statements about what the airplane is like or what it will do, or what the performance numbers may eventually be," said Van's Web site. "We can report that when Van taxied in and opened the swing-up canopy, he was grinning." More... ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:54 AM PST US From: "Parker Thomas" Subject: RV-List: VM1000C wire Hi - Does anyone know what kind of thermocouple wiring the VM1000C uses and where I can get it? I'm trying to install a VM1000C in my RV-6A. I cut the wire they provided a little generously and came up short. I called them and someone named Jack insists that it is "chromo-alumo" wire that I can get anywhere - though he can't find it in the aircraft spruce catalog or provide part numbers elsewhere or give specifications about its resistance. JPInstruments has several different kinds. I'm worried about using a different kind because it might have a different resistance and generate different readings. On the fourth phone call Jack finally relented and said he could possibly get some out to me - but not until the end of the week even if I send him a fedex label. Vision Microsystems has provided pretty good support to me up until this point, but this whole interchange has been incredibly frustrating. It just shouldn't take 8 phone calls and half a morning to get additional wire. Got any suggestions? Thanks, Parker ____________________________________ F. Parker Thomas phone 510-393-9876 fax 801-382-1974 me@parkerthomas.com skype - parker.thomas LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerthomas ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring From: Gerry Filby Had similar concerns this last week as I completed the same task. I drilled a hole just above the pivot point so that the wires exited forward. Installed a rubber grommet and fed the wires through the hole first and then up length of the stick. I used excess lengths of wire so I could terminate the wires in the grip and then feed them back down as I installed the grip on the tube. With the wires exiting forward above the pivot point it keeps them out of the way of the moving parts down below and feeds them directly into the wiring loom directly behind the wing spar (RV-9). HTH g > Just let it all hang out. 6 years, 1100 hours and they haven't > broken yet. > > Ollie 6A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Meyette > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:01 PM > Subject: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring > > > How are people dealing with handling the moving wires in the > case of a plane with control stick grip switches? > > > > It seems the least amount of wiring movement would be had if > I drill a hole in the side of the stick (this is RV-7A, but > presumably same situation for all RV models) right near the > weld, closest to the pivot point. But it would be extremely > difficult to feed wires down the tube, then get them to make a > 90 degree turn out the side of the stick. In the case of > Infinity Aerospace grips with the wire bundle having about a > dozen wires in it and being "-5/16" in diameter, this would be > even more difficult. > > > > If the wires are run out the bottom of the stick, it looks > like the wires will have to be moving around quite a bit with > the stick. I can see leaving enough slack to allow for the > full range of stick movement, but I am concerned about causing > fatigue in the wires with so much constant wire movement. It > will also have to be carefully laid out so it can't catch on > anything. > > > > I know lots of people have RVs with stick grip switches. How > are others handling this? > > > > Thanks, > > brian > > http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm > > > > > > > -- __g__ Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:41 AM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring In a message dated 11/13/2006 12:42:01 PM Central Standard Time, brianpublic2@starband.net writes: How are people dealing with handling the moving wires in the case of a plane with control stick grip switches? >>>> Here's one approach- has worked well for 370 hours so far: http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=7599 Click on the foto for the bigger picture... >From The PossumWorks in TN Mark ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:09 AM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: Re: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring I drilled a hole just above the welds in the rear of the tube. I put a rubber grommet in the hole and ran the wires (bundled six conductor if I recall) up the tube to the grip. At the bottom I attached the cable to the spar with an Adel clamp leaving enough slack to allow full travel in all directions. 75 hours with no problems. Steve Struyk, RV-8 St. Charles MO 75 hours. Doing first annual inspect. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Washburn To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring Just let it all hang out. 6 years, 1100 hours and they haven't broken yet. Ollie 6A ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Meyette To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring How are people dealing with handling the moving wires in the case of a plane with control stick grip switches? It seems the least amount of wiring movement would be had if I drill a hole in the side of the stick (this is RV-7A, but presumably same situation for all RV models) right near the weld, closest to the pivot point. But it would be extremely difficult to feed wires down the tube, then get them to make a 90 degree turn out the side of the stick. In the case of Infinity Aerospace grips with the wire bundle having about a dozen wires in it and being =BC"-5/16" in diameter, this would be even more difficult. If the wires are run out the bottom of the stick, it looks like the wires will have to be moving around quite a bit with the stick. I can see leaving enough slack to allow for the full range of stick movement, but I am concerned about causing fatigue in the wires with so much constant wire movement. It will also have to be carefully laid out so it can't catch on anything. I know lots of people have RVs with stick grip switches. How are others handling this? Thanks, brian http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:03 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000C wire For my VM1000 there are two types of thermocouples and two types of wire. The ones for my cylinder heads are diferent than the ones for the EGT. IIRC they were "I" or "J". http://www.omega.com/prodinfo/ThermocoupleWire.html is one place that I came up with just by typing in 'thermocouple wire' to my search bar......... Make sure that you read the threads on the aeroelectric list archives regarding connectors/bulkheads etc. -----Original Message----- >From: Parker Thomas >Sent: Nov 13, 2006 1:55 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: VM1000C wire > >Hi - > > > >Does anyone know what kind of thermocouple wiring the VM1000C uses and where >I can get it? > > > >I'm trying to install a VM1000C in my RV-6A. I cut the wire they provided a >little generously and came up short. I called them and someone named Jack >insists that it is "chromo-alumo" wire that I can get anywhere - though he >can't find it in the aircraft spruce catalog or provide part numbers >elsewhere or give specifications about its resistance. JPInstruments has >several different kinds. I'm worried about using a different kind because >it might have a different resistance and generate different readings. On >the fourth phone call Jack finally relented and said he could possibly get >some out to me - but not until the end of the week even if I send him a >fedex label. > > > >Vision Microsystems has provided pretty good support to me up until this >point, but this whole interchange has been incredibly frustrating. It just >shouldn't take 8 phone calls and half a morning to get additional wire. Got >any suggestions? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Parker > > > > > > > >____________________________________ > >F. Parker Thomas > >phone 510-393-9876 > >fax 801-382-1974 > >me@parkerthomas.com > >skype - parker.thomas > >LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerthomas > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:50 AM PST US From: "Ken Howell" Subject: RE: RV-List: Trip to Vans Stephanie, Could you swing by Glenwood Maryland with an RV-7 fuselage? Just kidding (unless of course you would consider it). Good luck to you both on your project. Who's going to sit in the back? Cheers, Ken Howell Glenwood, Maryland RV-7 Wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: RV-List: Trip to Vans Hey everyone, Since our move to Wichita I have been really out of the loop, but hopefully SOON things will start up again with the building. (www.rv-8.org ) We are going to be ordering our wings next month, and we are planning a trip to Oregon to pick them up (and see family) probably in February. Does anyone want to help us with gas in exchange for us picking up things (like wings or fuselage) for them? We have a 3500 Dodge diesel and we are taking our 20 foot trailer as well (http://www.rv-8.org/date_index/20050618.htm). If you want to talk about it drop me a line! Cheers, Stephanie Marshall smarshall@NetSystems.com www.rv-8.info www.baron-rose.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:06 PM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000C wire Its going to be either K-type or J-type extension wire. If its K-type the ANSI color codes are yellow for V+ and red for V-. If its J-type its going to be white and red respectively. So just look at the colors of the wire, and get the appropriate extension wire (K or J). You can get it from McMaster-Carr. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 11/13/06, Parker Thomas wrote: > > Hi ' > > > Does anyone know what kind of thermocouple wiring the VM1000C uses and > where I can get it? > > > I'm trying to install a VM1000C in my RV-6A. I cut the wire they provide d > a little generously and came up short. I called them and someone named J ack > insists that it is "chromo-alumo" wire that I can get anywhere ' though he > can't find it in the aircraft spruce catalog or provide part numbers > elsewhere or give specifications about its resistance. JPInstruments has > several different kinds. I'm worried about using a different kind becaus e > it might have a different resistance and generate different readings. On > the fourth phone call Jack finally relented and said he could possibly ge t > some out to me ' but not until the end of the week even if I send him a > fedex label. > > > Vision Microsystems has provided pretty good support to me up until this > point, but this whole interchange has been incredibly frustrating. It ju st > shouldn't take 8 phone calls and half a morning to get additional wire. Got > any suggestions? > > > Thanks, > > > Parker > > > ____________________________________ > > F. Parker Thomas > > phone 510-393-9876 > > fax 801-382-1974 > > me@parkerthomas.com > > skype - parker.thomas > > LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerthomas > > > * > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:29 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B The data may be free, but there are quite a few errors in it when it is received by Jeppesen, and it costs a lot of money to pay the team of people to find and fix the errors. It isn't reasonable to expect Jeppesen to provide the data for free, but it would be nice to have some competition. They have competition for airline database suppliers, but there is no apparent competition at the GA level. Kevin Horton On 13 Nov 2006, at 12:04, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > FWIW, the government is also supplying the data to Jepp at no charge. > We basically pay for packaging options. > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:28 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: ADS-B > > > The gvmt is supplying the weather data to XM and anybody else who > wants > it in the first place. This data and the means of acquisition have > already been paid for by taxpayers. It is available to these same > taxpayers (pilots) for free from Duat(s), just not in flight. It is > available to current users of ADS-B on the east coast and in Alaska. > There is nothing to keep people from adding value to the data in terms > of delivery and display options and reselling it, but what your > senator > is saying is that we should stifle dissemination of free data to > prop up > private enterprise. One senator does not a consensus make. Write > letters > to his office to try and convince him and/or vote him out. > > The FAA has a mandate to promote safety. How would this mandate be met > by denying timely weather data to pilots who don't subscribe to a pay > per view service when weather related accidents are still the leading > cause of fatalities? There will be a notice of proposed rulemaking and > comment period. Don't hold back when that occurs. > > Pax, > > Ed Holyoke > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 4:51 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B > > > > Ed Holyoke wrote: > >> >> I attended a lecture at AOPA convention given by the FAA subgroup >> that >> is implementing ADS-B. According to these folks, the administrator >> has >> committed the FAA to making it work all over the country. It'll take >> years to do, but someday we'll be able to get inflight weather and >> traffic displayed for free. >> > FWIW, I seem to remember that a Senator was trying to block the FAA > from > > providing anything other than collision avoidance info. Seems like > one > of the weather info providers is in his state, and the senator agreed > that the Gov't was going to become a competitor and that might not > be a > good thing for the industry in his state. I'm not hopeful that much > 'free' will remain when politics wrtaps it's arms around anything. > Linn > do not archive > >> At some point, maybe ten years from now, the airborne component that >> broadcasts position and vector info will be required to fly near big >> airports as transponders are now. Transponders may or may not go away >> sometime later. They haven't figured it out. TIS may or may not >> continue to be supported. I'm not going to be buying a mode S >> transponder anytime soon. The other airborne component that receives >> and displays uploaded info from the ground stations will be optional. >> >> Right now, the equipment is real ass expensive. Now that the FAA has >> committed to it, more manufacturers will start to make equipment >> for it > >> and all these software folks will support it on their displays. Maybe >> they'll get smart and come up with some sort of open architecture so > the >> receivers will interface with different brands of display >> equipment. It > >> should become more affordable as time goes by. XM weather is >> great, and > >> at $50/mo, not worth it on the left side of the Rockies, at least not > to >> me. The price of admission for ADS-B won't be cheap, but at least >> there > >> won't be a monthly fee on top of it. I'm waiting to see how it shakes >> out. >> >> Pax, >> >> Ed Holyoke ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:57 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: VM1000C wire Ralph, The VM100C is completely different than the VM1000. The VM1000 uses a DPU but the VM1000c wires directly to the gauge and uses different sensors. I have no idea if the wires are the same or not, but thought I would mention this. VM is probably still trying to get up to speed with their move to Texas. I plan to fly down there one day very soon so I can get a new oil pressure transducer. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:48 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000C wire > > > For my VM1000 there are two types of thermocouples and two types of wire. > The ones > for my cylinder heads are diferent than the ones for the EGT. IIRC they > were "I" > or "J". > > http://www.omega.com/prodinfo/ThermocoupleWire.html is one place that I > came up > with just by typing in 'thermocouple wire' to my search bar......... > > Make sure that you read the threads on the aeroelectric list archives > regarding > connectors/bulkheads etc. > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Parker Thomas > >Sent: Nov 13, 2006 1:55 PM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV-List: VM1000C wire > > > >Hi - > > > > > > > >Does anyone know what kind of thermocouple wiring the VM1000C uses and > where > >I can get it? > > > > > > > >I'm trying to install a VM1000C in my RV-6A. I cut the wire they > provided a > >little generously and came up short. I called them and someone named > Jack > >insists that it is "chromo-alumo" wire that I can get anywhere - though > he > >can't find it in the aircraft spruce catalog or provide part numbers > >elsewhere or give specifications about its resistance. JPInstruments has > >several different kinds. I'm worried about using a different kind > because > >it might have a different resistance and generate different readings. On > >the fourth phone call Jack finally relented and said he could possibly > get > >some out to me - but not until the end of the week even if I send him a > >fedex label. > > > > > > > >Vision Microsystems has provided pretty good support to me up until this > >point, but this whole interchange has been incredibly frustrating. It > just > >shouldn't take 8 phone calls and half a morning to get additional wire. > Got > >any suggestions? > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Parker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________ > > > >F. Parker Thomas > > > >phone 510-393-9876 > > > >fax 801-382-1974 > > > >me@parkerthomas.com > > > >skype - parker.thomas > > > >LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerthomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:27 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RE: RV-List: VM1000C wire I knew there were some differences - maybe the wires and transducers are the same...if they're J / K type.... Thanks, Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Bryan >Sent: Nov 13, 2006 3:15 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: VM1000C wire > > >Ralph, > >The VM100C is completely different than the VM1000. The VM1000 uses a DPU >but the VM1000c wires directly to the gauge and uses different sensors. I >have no idea if the wires are the same or not, but thought I would mention >this. > >VM is probably still trying to get up to speed with their move to Texas. I >plan to fly down there one day very soon so I can get a new oil pressure >transducer. > >Tim > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:48 AM >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000C wire >> >> >> For my VM1000 there are two types of thermocouples and two types of wire. >> The ones >> for my cylinder heads are diferent than the ones for the EGT. IIRC they >> were "I" >> or "J". >> >> http://www.omega.com/prodinfo/ThermocoupleWire.html is one place that I >> came up >> with just by typing in 'thermocouple wire' to my search bar......... >> >> Make sure that you read the threads on the aeroelectric list archives >> regarding >> connectors/bulkheads etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Parker Thomas >> >Sent: Nov 13, 2006 1:55 PM >> >To: rv-list@matronics.com >> >Subject: RV-List: VM1000C wire >> > >> >Hi - >> > >> > >> > >> >Does anyone know what kind of thermocouple wiring the VM1000C uses and >> where >> >I can get it? >> > >> > >> > >> >I'm trying to install a VM1000C in my RV-6A. I cut the wire they >> provided a >> >little generously and came up short. I called them and someone named >> Jack >> >insists that it is "chromo-alumo" wire that I can get anywhere - though >> he >> >can't find it in the aircraft spruce catalog or provide part numbers >> >elsewhere or give specifications about its resistance. JPInstruments has >> >several different kinds. I'm worried about using a different kind >> because >> >it might have a different resistance and generate different readings. On >> >the fourth phone call Jack finally relented and said he could possibly >> get >> >some out to me - but not until the end of the week even if I send him a >> >fedex label. >> > >> > >> > >> >Vision Microsystems has provided pretty good support to me up until this >> >point, but this whole interchange has been incredibly frustrating. It >> just >> >shouldn't take 8 phone calls and half a morning to get additional wire. >> Got >> >any suggestions? >> > >> > >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> > >> > >> >Parker >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >____________________________________ >> > >> >F. Parker Thomas >> > >> >phone 510-393-9876 >> > >> >fax 801-382-1974 >> > >> >me@parkerthomas.com >> > >> >skype - parker.thomas >> > >> >LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerthomas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:13 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B > It isn't reasonable to expect Jeppesen to provide the data for free, > but it would be nice to have some competition. They have competition > for airline database suppliers, but there is no apparent competition > at the GA level. Hmmmmmmmmm.... (hamster running on wheel in head) do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D "Priorities" www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:38 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B On 13 Nov 2006, at 16:21, Dan Checkoway wrote: > >> It isn't reasonable to expect Jeppesen to provide the data for >> free, but it would be nice to have some competition. They have >> competition for airline database suppliers, but there is no >> apparent competition at the GA level. > > Hmmmmmmmmm.... (hamster running on wheel in head) > > do not archive Track down a copy of RTCA DO-200A "Standards for Processing Aeronautical Data" before you get too excited (available from RTCA for only $135 - only a few minutes revenue from WeatherMeister :) ). It describes the process that must be followed to verify data integrity and prepare data for distribution. It must be followed for suppliers of data for "certified" databases - i.e. ones that are approved for IFR enroute, terminal and approach navigation. You have to ensure that every waypoint and leg in the database is correct and up-to-date, etc. Then you need to reformat the data for each product, keeping in mind any memory limitations of various hardware revisions. I am not an expert in this area, but I suspect that several full time employees would be required to offer a competing service to Jeppesen, if you targeted IFR navigation. If you only target the VFR market, for the amateur-built crowd, people will expect you to give the product away for free, no matter how much effort it takes to develop it, nor how much bandwidth, etc is consumed to support it. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:23 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: ADS-B From: "Chuck Jensen" Yes!!! I would rather pay the subscription fees to ANYONE but Jeppesen. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B > It isn't reasonable to expect Jeppesen to provide the data for free, > but it would be nice to have some competition. They have competition > for airline database suppliers, but there is no apparent competition > at the GA level. Hmmmmmmmmm.... (hamster running on wheel in head) do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D "Priorities" www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:12 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B Amen....just had my run-in with their dense customer service today in fact. If Dan could get a replacement database that works for all garmin products, I'd be a subscriber for sure. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chuck Jensen wrote: > > Yes!!! I would rather pay the subscription fees to ANYONE but Jeppesen. > > Chuck Jensen > Do Not Archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:22 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B > > > >> It isn't reasonable to expect Jeppesen to provide the data for free, >> but it would be nice to have some competition. They have competition > >> for airline database suppliers, but there is no apparent competition >> at the GA level. > > Hmmmmmmmmm.... (hamster running on wheel in head) > > do not archive > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D "Priorities" > www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:42 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring You are correct in suggesting drilling a hole for the wires at the point of pivot for the stick. That yields the smallest movement and wear on the wires. Put a loop in the wires coming out and ty wrap it to the rib to avoid chaffing from vibration. Then test it by moving the stick round. Then put that area on your annual check list to see how things are going. You can get the wires out a pretty small hole by using a piece of safety wire with a hook on it. You will probably be doing this more than once. It gets easier the second and third time. You can do it one wire at a time. Just use a slightly bigger hole. (I only had two wires.) Indiana Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Meyette To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: RV-List: how to handle grip switch wiring How are people dealing with handling the moving wires in the case of a plane with control stick grip switches? It seems the least amount of wiring movement would be had if I drill a hole in the side of the stick (this is RV-7A, but presumably same situation for all RV models) right near the weld, closest to the pivot point. But it would be extremely difficult to feed wires down the tube, then get them to make a 90 degree turn out the side of the stick. In the case of Infinity Aerospace grips with the wire bundle having about a dozen wires in it and being =BC"-5/16" in diameter, this would be even more difficult. If the wires are run out the bottom of the stick, it looks like the wires will have to be moving around quite a bit with the stick. I can see leaving enough slack to allow for the full range of stick movement, but I am concerned about causing fatigue in the wires with so much constant wire movement. It will also have to be carefully laid out so it can't catch on anything. I know lots of people have RVs with stick grip switches. How are others handling this? Thanks, brian http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:19 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: ADS-B Don't forget the garmin (Apollo GX) products. We are the stepchild product line. No, do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:21 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B > > > Amen....just had my run-in with their dense customer service > today in fact. If Dan could get a replacement database > that works for all garmin products, I'd be a subscriber > for sure. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Chuck Jensen wrote: > > > > Yes!!! I would rather pay the subscription fees to ANYONE but Jeppesen. > > > > Chuck Jensen > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:22 PM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: ADS-B > > > > > > > >> It isn't reasonable to expect Jeppesen to provide the data for free, > >> but it would be nice to have some competition. They have competition > > > >> for airline database suppliers, but there is no apparent competition > >> at the GA level. > > > > Hmmmmmmmmm.... (hamster running on wheel in head) > > > > do not archive > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D "Priorities" > > www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:55 PM PST US From: "Dan Ross" Subject: RV-List: Skytec 149-12LS starter Guys: Anyone have a Skytec 149-12LS starter for sale? I have a fresh rebuilt Kelly Aerospace 18 pounder I need to get off the nose of my -9A project. Dan ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:23 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Skytec 149-12LS starter Call Skytec. Sometimes they will sell overhauled at good discount. Dan Ross wrote: > > Guys: Anyone have a Skytec 149-12LS starter for sale? I have a fresh > rebuilt Kelly Aerospace 18 pounder I need to get off the nose of my > -9A project. Dan > > * > > > *