---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/14/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:54 AM - Re: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES (RAS) 2. 02:54 AM - DRE Contact Information (Donald Nowakowski) 3. 03:28 AM - Re: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES (Kevin Horton) 4. 04:25 AM - Local wing skin help (Smitty) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: 5702-75-060 Washer (Dale Ensing) 6. 11:00 AM - Re: Local wing skin help (Richard Tasker) 7. 12:34 PM - Re: DRE Contact Information (Jamie Painter) 8. 05:06 PM - Re: Lycoming Data Plate (Mike Robertson) 9. 06:50 PM - Re: Local wing skin help (Sherman Butler) 10. 07:25 PM - Re: Local wing skin help (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:28 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES The prototype is however not registered in the LSA catagory. It is registered experimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condon, Philip M." Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: RV-List: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES > > RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES > Van's Aircraft's entry in the LSA category had its first flight last > Thursday. The mini-RV, which sports many of the characteristics of its > larger stablemates (bubble canopy and a big, fat wing), was flown by > company founder Dick VanGrunsven, who put it through a variety of speed > profiles and basic handling tests. "It's far too early to make any > statements about what the airplane is like or what it will do, or what > the performance numbers may eventually be," said Van's Web site. "We > can report that when Van taxied in and opened the swing-up canopy, he > was grinning." More... > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:35 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: DRE Contact Information From: Donald Nowakowski Folks, Does anyone have current contact information for DRE. The last phone number I have for them is 408-993-8220 but it is out of service. Google searches yielded other non working numbers. I have their intercom and headsets in my -6 and love them. I am having trouble with the mic boom on one headset that I want to get repaired. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Please reply directly (off list)..... do not archive Don Nowakowski , Equipment Engineering Tech Telephone (802)288-3359, "More than anything else the sensation is one of perfect peace mingled with an excitement that strains every nerve to the utmost, if you can conceive of such a combination." -- Wilbur Wright ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:46 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES One of the many requirements to register an aircraft as an LSA is that the manufacturer has to state that he has ground and flight tested the aircraft (FAR 21.190 (c)(7). Van has still to demonstrate that the aircraft meets the LSA requirements (stall speed, max speed, etc). There are a whole bunch of paperwork requirements that he would have to comply with to register the aircraft as an LSA. It will be much more practical to register the aircraft as an experimental. Kevin Horton On 14 Nov 2006, at 04:52, RAS wrote: > > > The prototype is however not registered in the LSA catagory. It is > registered experimental. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Condon, Philip M." > > To: > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:10 PM > Subject: RV-List: RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES > > >> >> >> RV-12 PROTOTYPE FLIES >> Van's Aircraft's entry in the LSA category had its first flight last >> Thursday. The mini-RV, which sports many of the characteristics of >> its >> larger stablemates (bubble canopy and a big, fat wing), was flown by >> company founder Dick VanGrunsven, who put it through a variety of >> speed >> profiles and basic handling tests. "It's far too early to make any >> statements about what the airplane is like or what it will do, or >> what >> the performance numbers may eventually be," said Van's Web site. "We >> can report that when Van taxied in and opened the swing-up canopy, he >> was grinning." More... >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:48 AM PST US From: "Smitty" Subject: RV-List: Local wing skin help Hello Everyone, I have a favor to ask. I am in the process of riveting the top skins on my left wing. I was wondering if someone would consider helping me backriveting and bucking the wing skin? My good friend who has been helping me has a really tight schedule and has trouble getting free time to come over. I tried teaching my 11 year son, but while he is a master at the rivet gun now, the bucking bar is just too tough for him. It's been 3 weeks now since I started the skin and I would really like to get it finished. If you live in the Plano, TX area, please email me at smitty@smittysrv.com Thanks so much! Smitty Smitty's RV-9A http://SmittysRV.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:14 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer They have a small OD and are used for spacing between the rod-end "ball" and the fork to allow the rod-end room to rotate on the ball without binding on the fork. ----- Original Message ----- From: Valovich, Paul To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: RV-List: 5702-75-060 Washer Monday morning - can't get through to Vans. Have hung the tail and am now connecting the elevator push rods on my -8A QB. Drawing 25 shows F-840 and F-839 connecting to the aft stick wiedement WD-412A. However, for the aft connection only, the drawing specifies two 5702-75-060 washers. What the hell is a 5702-75-060 washer? I checked the hardware sections of the both the Standard Aircraft Handbook and AC 43.13-1B and couldn't find it. Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:37 AM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: RV-List: Local wing skin help I don't live anywhere near you so I can't physically help. However, there are at least two alternatives to getting someone else to help you. 1. Do it all by yourself. I did so and I know of others who also did so. There are really only a handful of rivets that are at all hard to do by yourself - and if you have long arms even they are not hard. 2. Have your son man the rivet gun, especially if he is a master at it as you say. It is actually easier for you to man the bucking bar and have someone else man the rivet gun rather than vice-versa. As long as someone holds the rivet gun securely, the bucking bar end is more critical anyway. My $0.02. Dick Tasker Do not archive Smitty wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I have a favor to ask. I am in the process of riveting the top skins > on my left wing. I was wondering if someone would consider helping me > backriveting and bucking the wing skin? My good friend who has been > helping me has a really tight schedule and has trouble getting free > time to come over. I tried teaching my 11 year son, but while he is a > master at the rivet gun now, the bucking bar is just too tough for him. > > It's been 3 weeks now since I started the skin and I would really like > to get it finished. If you live in the Plano, TX area, please email me > at smitty@smittysrv.com > > Thanks so much! > > Smitty > Smitty's RV-9A > http://SmittysRV.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:04 PM PST US From: Jamie Painter Subject: Re: RV-List: DRE Contact Information > > Folks, Does anyone have current contact information for DRE. The last phone > number I have for them is 408-993-8220 but it is out of service. Google > searches yielded other non working numbers. I have their intercom and > headsets in my -6 and love them. I am having trouble with the mic boom on > one headset that I want to get repaired. Any information will be greatly > appreciated. > Don: I responded off list but wanted to post here for the archives. Here's a message I posted to the VAF forums about DRE going out of business: 09-07-2006: Hi Folks: I just tried to access the DRE communications website, which is down. I needed their phone number so I used archive.org to look at the site as it last existed. I got the phone number and called it, just to get a line disconnected message. I tried another number listed for 'engineering support', and got a guy named Garth. Nice guy. Anyway, he told me that DRE is no longer in business. Apparently there was some sort of internal lawsuit among the owners and the company was shut down. Garth said some of the folks are starting another company providing the same type of products DRE provided, and Garth can handle your DRE repairs. He's currently helping me with some wiring questions that I have with regard to my 244E. If you have problems with your equipment, he may be able to help you. His number is 562-695-7054. I can't vouch for him (yet), just providing info. Best, Jamie RV-7A Almost Done http://rv.jpainter.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:11 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Lycoming Data Plate Leave it on and carry on. If you ever remove the engine and sell it you w ill then need to make sure the person you sell it to knows that it has been in an experimental aircraft and will need to be checked for AD's and servi ceability. Mike Robertson Das Fed From: PGLong@aol.comDate: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:08:02 -0500Subject: RV-List: Lycoming Data PlateTo: Rv-list@matronics.com I've been told that the data plate on my Lycoming 0-230 installed in my RV- 4 is not in compliance with the FAR=92s. The engine has some modifications on it, and I do not maintain an A.D. list, so the engine is experimental. I s it true that only a certified engine can retain its data plate? Who can r emove a data plate? How would the FAA handle this situation? Pat LongPGLong@aol.comN120PLRV4Bay City, Michigan3CM _________________________________________________________________ Use Messenger to talk to your IM friends, even those on Yahoo! http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=7adb59de-a857-45ba-81cc- 685ee3e858fe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:59 PM PST US From: Sherman Butler Subject: Re: RV-List: Local wing skin help Hi I just finished 2 weeks ago riveting the top skin on my L wing. My girlfriend handled the back rivet gun while I held the 5-lb bucking bar from "The Yard" tight to the skin. The narrow end was best. When she was not able to hold the bar tight enough to the skin this resulted in a few high headed rivets I drilled out and replaced. I riveted a few by myself and this resulted in bucking bar rebound dents. The next time I attempt this my myself I am forewarned and will handled the bar with more care. Good luck. Do not archive Smitty wrote: Hello Everyone, I have a favor to ask. I am in the process of riveting the top skins on my left wing. I was wondering if someone would consider helping me backriveting Sherman Butler RV-7a Wings Idaho Falls --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:44 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Local wing skin help I agree with Richard. I had help on about 1/2 the bottom skins on the 1st wing. I did the rest myself & then realized that I could do the entire bottom alone on the 2nd. I found it helpful to shim the side of the bucking bar using cardboard or rubber sheet so the flanges of the lightening holes didn't cause the bar to tip. About 3/8" wide, thickness of the flange offset & the length of the bar on the side that touches the rib. That way I could just push the bar against the rib to assist in stabilizing it when I had an awkward 'reach'. Good luck, Charlie Richard Tasker wrote: > > I don't live anywhere near you so I can't physically help. However, > there are at least two alternatives to getting someone else to help you. > > 1. Do it all by yourself. I did so and I know of others who also did > so. There are really only a handful of rivets that are at all hard to > do by yourself - and if you have long arms even they are not hard. > > 2. Have your son man the rivet gun, especially if he is a master at it > as you say. It is actually easier for you to man the bucking bar and > have someone else man the rivet gun rather than vice-versa. As long > as someone holds the rivet gun securely, the bucking bar end is more > critical anyway. > > My $0.02. > > Dick Tasker > > Do not archive > > Smitty wrote: > >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I have a favor to ask. I am in the process of riveting the top skins >> on my left wing. I was wondering if someone would consider helping me >> backriveting and bucking the wing skin? My good friend who has been >> helping me has a really tight schedule and has trouble getting free >> time to come over. I tried teaching my 11 year son, but while he is a >> master at the rivet gun now, the bucking bar is just too tough for him. >> >> It's been 3 weeks now since I started the skin and I would really >> like to get it finished. If you live in the Plano, TX area, please >> email me at smitty@smittysrv.com >> >> Thanks so much! >> >> Smitty >> Smitty's RV-9A >> http://SmittysRV.com >