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0. 12:40 AM - List Value... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:04 AM - Richmond KY (Madison I39) Fly In (Richard Reynolds)
2. 04:31 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Rick Gray)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Dale Ensing)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: rivets (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
6. 05:30 AM - Re: Position of the battery in the RV-8 (Ron Schreck)
7. 05:43 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Rick Gray)
8. 06:01 AM - Re: Forward Baggage Compartment Temperatures (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
9. 06:47 AM - Re: Clearance between oil cooler and engine mount? (John Huft)
10. 07:32 AM - Re: Richmond KY (Madison I39) Fly In (Dana Overall)
11. 07:36 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Bruce Gray)
12. 09:08 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Greg Young)
14. 11:14 AM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Jim Jewell)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Doug Gray)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Bruce Gray)
17. 02:46 PM - Spraylat removal problems (Matt Reeves)
18. 03:35 PM - Re: [RV-8] Clearance between oil cooler and engine mount? (Kevin Horton)
19. 07:38 PM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Bob Perkinson)
20. 08:45 PM - Re: Instrument mounting hole circle (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
21. 09:36 PM - Light twin for sale (Leland)
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| Subject: | Richmond KY (Madison I39) Fly In |
When is the fly in?
Richard Reynolds
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Hi Mark,
I've laid them out by 'hand' too many times....this little ACS tool
takes all the guess work out of it....I keep one on the bench now! Top
right in the pic....I think you can afford it...but then again??
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2007Individual/Cat07380.pdf
Good Luck,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
for the archives
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From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
I'm about all archived & googled out and the best I've come up with
for mounting screw hole diameter for standard 2-1/4" instruments is
2-5/8" (2.625). Can someone please confirm this before I commit
expensive aluminum to the cutter?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill" - Ruth Harrison,
Reference Librarian
Thanks!
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Mark,
Do you know anyone who might have one of the flat plate drilling jigs?
After the large hole is cut you place the jig plate into the hole,
square it up and drill the screw holes. Simple and quick.
Dale Ensing
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From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
I'm about all archived & googled out and the best I've come up with
for mounting screw hole diameter for standard 2-1/4" instruments is
2-5/8" (2.625). Can someone please confirm this before I commit
expensive aluminum to the cutter?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill" - Ruth Harrison,
Reference Librarian
Thanks!
Mark do not archive
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I am responding a little late as I am reading past mails but since no one
has mentioned it I thought I'd bring more info.
Rivets have a mark on them which identifies the material they are made of.
In our case the dimple indicates that the alloy is 2117 which is the only
alloy specially made for rivets I know of which does not require heating the
rivet (annealing) prior to using it. Other rivets have a cross, two crosses,
four dimples, a star, etc. each one representing a particular kind of
alloy/heat treatment combination.
If I were you I'd stay away from unidentified rivets and from all rivets
which require annealing. Annealing is OK but it is a hassle. The technique
is to heat them with a torch inside a metal basket on which you scrapped
some basic soap - not the Dove or Zest kind. When the soap turns brown then
the temperature is OK. You then have an hour or two to use them before they
harden up again.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kitfoxmike
Sent: jeudi 31 aot 2006 16:23
Subject: RV-List: Re: rivets
Gee, I thought that dot in the center was for drilling them back out.
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kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58727#58727
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Hi Dale- thanks for the reply, but the panel is being laid out in AutoCAD for
waterjet cutting and I don't thing the jig will fit into the USB port! This
thing only understands numbers from the keyboard, dangit!
Thanks again- Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Position of the battery in the RV-8 |
I originally planned on using a Hartzel CS prop on my RV-8 but opted for
the much lighter Whirlwind 200RV after I had installed the dual Odyssey
batteries (dual elect ignition) in the tail. The CG would have been
perfect with the heavier Hartzell, but rather than tear out the
batteries and relocate to the firewall, I elected to add some lead to
the engine mount. Another option I have is to remove one of the
batteries and replace with a much smaller battery for EFIS and ignition
redundancy. Turns out I only use one Odyssey for starting the engine.
I do have to be careful about overloading the rear baggage compartment
but I really like the responsiveness of the airplane when flying solo.
Three-point landings are easy and it spins and snaps great. As long as
you stay within Van's CG limits you will be safe. On the plus side of
mounting the battery forward is that you can correct a nose-heavy
situation by adding a small weight in the tail. Conversely, a tail
heavy airplane requires a much heavier weight in the nose to correct the
situation.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Mark, I just emailed you a pic of my ruler on the template....it's 1
7/8's inches.
Good Luck buddy!
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
for the archives
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Gray
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
Hi Mark,
I've laid them out by 'hand' too many times....this little ACS tool
takes all the guess work out of it....I keep one on the bench now! Top
right in the pic....I think you can afford it...but then again??
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2007Individual/Cat07380.pdf
Good Luck,
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
for the archives
----- Original Message -----
From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
I'm about all archived & googled out and the best I've come up with
for mounting screw hole diameter for standard 2-1/4" instruments is
2-5/8" (2.625). Can someone please confirm this before I commit
expensive aluminum to the cutter?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill" - Ruth Harrison,
Reference Librarian
Thanks!
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Forward Baggage Compartment Temperatures |
Excellent info although the specs on the tape limit it to 68F so it should
not do for the firewall. However it could be a good product for the forward
side skins and the belly skins behind the wing longerons.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dick martin
Sent: mercredi 6 septembre 2006 03:27
Subject: Re: RV-List: Forward Baggage Compartment Temperatures
Importance: High
Dave,
Suggest you consider insulating the firewall with 3M Vibration Dampinng Tape
or equivalent. This will provide a fire barrier and also reduce temps to
normal cabin temps. This is a standard insulation for aircraft and is
readily available.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: RV-List: Forward Baggage Compartment Temperatures
>
> Yesterday I measured a 110 degree Fahrenheit temperature close to the
> firewall in the forward baggage compartment of my RV8A. The method was to
> tape the wire lead of the outdoor sensor of an indoor/outdoor digital
> thermometer to the firewall so that the sensor was held close but not
> actually in contact with the firewall. Upon return from a half hour
> flight,
> I just opened the baggage compartment door and read the temperature about
> 5
> minutes after landing. I also know that plastic bubble wrap which was in
> contact with the firewall did not melt and that although you can touch the
> firewall, it feels pretty hot. Outside air temp was 75 degrees F.
>
> Does anyone else have any information on the temperatures likely to be
> experienced by baggage stowed in this area?
>
> Dave Reel - RV8A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clearance between oil cooler and engine mount? |
Kevin and all
I have added some pictures at the bottom of my firewall forward page 2
http://www.lazy8.net/fwf2.html
Of the oil cooler installation.
John Huft
www.lazy8.net/rv8.html
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
> The oil cooler on my IO-360-A1B6 is hung a bit aft of the baffles on
> the left side, and I don't have a lot of clearance between the oil
> cooler flange and the engine mount. I have trimmed the flange to get
> about 3/16" clearance between the oil cooler and engine mount, but
> wonder if that is enough. I'd appreciate any advice from those with
> flying aircraft.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
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| Subject: | Richmond KY (Madison I39) Fly In |
Last Saturday of February. Much more to follow but we are starting the
process right now. Looking for an even bigger event this
year....................trust me, really looking forward to the fourth
annual flyin.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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>From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
>To: Email RV <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Richmond KY (Madison I39) Fly In
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:02:52 -0500
>
>
>When is the fly in?
>
>Richard Reynolds
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument mounting hole circle |
There are some surprises out there. All Davtron mounting holes are non
standard. It's best to check the web sites of each manufacturer. Have
your
panel cutter cut a trial panel in plexiglass for you to do fit up tests
before cutting the aluminum. If your cutter doesn't want to do that,
find
another cutter. (www.engravers.net, Wayne Calhoon) I went through
several
plexi mockups before everything fit. It's realy best if you have the
instruments on hand to do the fit up.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
I'm about all archived & googled out and the best I've come up with for
mounting screw hole diameter for standard 2-1/4" instruments is 2-5/8"
(2.625). Can someone please confirm this before I commit expensive
aluminum
to the cutter?
"Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill" - Ruth Harrison,
Reference Librarian
Thanks!
Mark do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
In a message dated 11/17/2006 9:49:22 AM Central Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
It's realy best if you have the instruments on hand to do the fit up.
>>>
Hi Bruce- thanks for the reply. Understood and agree- this is for Trutrak
Digiflight. Trutrak was asked the question and replied "standard instrument
cutout dimensions". Instruments on order, not in hand.
Beginning to think this simple, common dimension must either be secret
information (I'll have to kill you) or I'm the only one not in the Brotherhood...
Mark, looking for number, leaning towards 2-5/8" but not confirmed and do not
archive
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| Subject: | Instrument mounting hole circle |
It's not a secret... really. Somewhere in the Aircraft Spruce catalog there
is a diagram of the standard cutouts with dimensions. It might be accessible
thru the web as well although I haven't tried.
Greg Young
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
In a message dated 11/17/2006 9:49:22 AM Central Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
It's realy best if you have the instruments on hand to do the fit up.
>>>
Hi Bruce- thanks for the reply. Understood and agree- this is for Trutrak
Digiflight. Trutrak was asked the question and replied "standard instrument
cutout dimensions". Instruments on order, not in hand.
Beginning to think this simple, common dimension must either be secret
information (I'll have to kill you) or I'm the only one not in the
Brotherhood...
Mark, looking for number, leaning towards 2-5/8" but not confirmed and do
not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Brother, I feel your pain. A couple of years ago my local area paranoia
victims group changed the time and location of the meetings and no one
will tell me where and when!?...
I fly-cut my instrument holes on my drill press. I used the few
instruments I had on hand at the time and cut all the holes to the
smallest dimensional tight fit.
When the two remaining instruments arrived one of the holes was too
small. After cussing a bit, I used a machinist's de-burring tool to
enlarge the small hole. By doing a few cuts while holding the panel
upright the some more after rotating the panel a quarter turn, a few
more cuts, rotate a quarter turn, and so on I was able to enlarge the
hole fairly uniformly to a good fit. I then went back and de-burred the
remaining holes to allow for painting.
Fortunately for me, I did not find any holes to be way too large.
However had I done so there might have been full justification for
trying to join that damn paranoid club in the first place.{[;-)
Jim in Kelowna - do not archive
In a message dated 11/17/2006 9:49:22 AM Central Standard Time,
Bruce@glasair.org writes:
Hi Bruce- thanks for the reply. Understood and agree- this is for
Trutrak Digiflight. Trutrak was asked the question and replied "standard
instrument cutout dimensions". Instruments on order, not in hand.
Beginning to think this simple, common dimension must either be secret
information (I'll have to kill you) or I'm the only one not in the
Brotherhood...
Mark, looking for number, leaning towards 2-5/8" but not confirmed and
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Mounting holes on 2-5/8" diameter circle is the standard. This is
consistent with the ACS diagram, Vans 2-1/4" gauges and the drill jig
from Avery. I cannot speak for any other manufacturers.
I have been told there is some slight variation so don't plan to mount
the instruments with countersunk screws.
Doug Gray
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 12:07 -0500, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/17/2006 9:49:22 AM Central Standard Time,
> Bruce@glasair.org writes:
> It's realy best if you have the instruments on hand to do the
> fit up.
> >>>
> Hi Bruce- thanks for the reply. Understood and agree- this is for
> Trutrak Digiflight. Trutrak was asked the question and replied
> "standard instrument cutout dimensions". Instruments on order, not in
> hand.
>
> Beginning to think this simple, common dimension must either be secret
> information (I'll have to kill you) or I'm the only one not in the
> Brotherhood...
>
> Mark, looking for number, leaning towards 2-5/8" but not confirmed and
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument mounting hole circle |
Yes, there are variations. All my screws are countersunk!
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Gray
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Instrument mounting hole circle
Mounting holes on 2-5/8" diameter circle is the standard. This is
consistent with the ACS diagram, Vans 2-1/4" gauges and the drill jig
from Avery. I cannot speak for any other manufacturers.
I have been told there is some slight variation so don't plan to mount
the instruments with countersunk screws.
Doug Gray
On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 12:07 -0500, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/17/2006 9:49:22 AM Central Standard Time,
> Bruce@glasair.org writes:
> It's realy best if you have the instruments on hand to do the
> fit up.
> >>>
> Hi Bruce- thanks for the reply. Understood and agree- this is for
> Trutrak Digiflight. Trutrak was asked the question and replied
> "standard instrument cutout dimensions". Instruments on order, not in
> hand.
>
> Beginning to think this simple, common dimension must either be secret
> information (I'll have to kill you) or I'm the only one not in the
> Brotherhood...
>
> Mark, looking for number, leaning towards 2-5/8" but not confirmed and
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Spraylat removal problems |
Builders,
I used Spraylat as a protective coating for my Lancair plexiglas canopy. It
was advertised as a plexiglas protectant during aircraft construction so I bought
some. It came in a quart-size bottle with no labels, no directions, no warnings,
no Material Safety Data Sheets, nothing.
I read on all the lists just to brush 2 coats on so I taped off the edges of
my canopy and brushed on the Spraylat. A week or so later, I sprayed an epoxy-based
primer over the tape and some primer got onto the Spraylat which I thought
would protect the plexiglas. It didn't. Somehow the primer reacted with
the Spraylat and it made the Spraylat impossible to remove. I thought for sure
it would protect my canopy during the construction process as advertised and
painting is a normal part of the construction process.
I contacted Spraylat who said to soak a cloth in warm soapy water and let it
sit on the Spraylat. No success. I researched the internet and found that Wicks
Aircraft online catalog says, "NOT TO BE USED AS A PAINT MASK". I didn't
know that before I bought it from Aircraft Spruce. So, technically, it protects
the canopy during the construction process EXCEPT for paint.
I have tried everything to remove it. 3M adhesive remover, lamp oil, kerosene,
and the only thing that worked was NOVUS 3. Still, there was 10% of the Spraylat
which was permanent after a solid week of work. I ended up using a razorblade
and then a dremel tool with a felt pad to remove the scratches from the
razorblade. The dremel tool heated up the plexiglas and made small internal
cracks and completely distorted the canopy. Now, my canopy needs to be replaced
- there is no way around it. I was so close to first flight. Now it will
take another year to rebuild it.
So, here is what I learned: NEVER USE SPRAYLAT around ANY type of paint.
I am wondering if anyone else has had this type or any similar type of experience
with Spraylat. Wicks aircraft told me they had heard of that happening to
someone else in the past which is why they added the statement.
Also, is anyone else getting Spraylat in plain bottles with no warnings, no labels,
no instructions, and no Material Safety Data Sheets? I'd really like to
know. I am told that even if I received all of that, none of it includes a
warning that Spraylat is not to be used as a paintmask.
This happened on a Lancair but I am posting this to all the aircraft sites so
that no one will go through what I've gone through and learned the hard way.
I look forward to hearing your experiences and advice.
Please respond to me at:
mattreeves@yahoo.com
I sincerely appreciate anyone else's input and advice.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: [RV-8] Clearance between oil cooler and engine mount? |
The oil cooler is mounted on the baffle, so it moves with the
engine. I've reworked it a bit to get somewhere between 1/4" and
9/32". There is no way to get much more than that without a complete
redesign of the mounting arrangement. My mount is more complex than
most, as it incorporates a sliding door to control the incoming air
flow. I don't want to redo the mount if I don't need to.
I've had several responses from people who had 3/16" to 1/4"
clearance with no reported problems, so I'm going to try out what
I've got. The cooler is aluminum, and the mount is steel, so I don't
think any contact will hurt the mount, other than damage the paint.
Obviously repeated contact wouldn't be good for the cooler, so I'll
pay close attention to this area until I have some time on the aircraft.
Thank you very much to everyone who responded.
Kevin
On 17 Nov 2006, at 17:14, David Brand wrote:
> Kevin,
> Is your cooler mounted on your baffle so that it moves with the
> engine,
> or is it a stationary mount as in attached to your engine mount? If
> the
> former, depending how far out from the center line of the engine it
> is,
> I`d give it at least half an inch, more if you can get it. If
> stationary,
> I think the existing 3/16 should be OK. Dave Brand N254LF
>
> --- Kevin Horton wrote:
>
>> The oil cooler on my IO-360-A1B6 is hung a bit aft of the baffles on
>> the left side, and I don't have a lot of clearance between the oil
>> cooler flange and the engine mount. I have trimmed the flange to get
>> about 3/16" clearance between the oil cooler and engine mount, but
>> wonder if that is enough. I'd appreciate any advice from those with
>> flying aircraft.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument mounting hole circle |
" the panel is being laid out in AutoCAD for waterjet cutting"
Mark,
Who are you using to lay out and cut the panel?
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument mounting hole circle |
Hi Bob-
I'm doing the AutoCAD panel layout and have contacted a local waterjet cutter
in Nashville about pokin' the holes. Another builder in the area used him
with good results.
Jet@south-tech.us (615) 847-8226
Might go to Steve Davis in Memphis who did my previous panel with excellent
results. And the BBQ there is to die for...
http://members.aol.com/panelcut/
Mark
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| Subject: | Light twin for sale |
I am posting this for Ken Coe who is a friend and an RV3 owner. Ken is
selling his twin-engined 1967 Wing Derringer for $125K. This plane is
gorgeous and of museum quality. Ken is the second owner having bought it
from George Wings widow. Only 11 were build and some 6-7 are left. It
seats two side-by-side, has IO320B engines, an empty weight of 2100
pounds with an 850 pound useful load, and a 227 mph cruise. Kens cell
number is 443-7460 with a 925 area code, in Livermore, California
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