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1. 08:06 AM - Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T I N G ? (Condon, Philip M.)
2. 08:42 AM - FW: Fuel line question (Dana) Source for JIC fitings (Universal steel #6 ) (Condon, Philip M.)
3. 12:34 PM - Re: Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T I N G ? (Dana Overall)
4. 03:53 PM - : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings (Dana Overall)
5. 04:34 PM - Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings (Rick Gray)
6. 06:15 PM - Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings (Dana Overall)
7. 06:24 PM - Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings (Dave Nellis)
8. 08:59 PM - Searching for a self-etching primer (Paul A. Barker)
9. 09:23 PM - Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings (linn Walters)
10. 09:34 PM - Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings (Kelly McMullen)
11. 09:54 PM - Re: Searching for a self-etching primer (Bradley Oliver)
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| Subject: | Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T I N |
G ?
I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line fitting #6 all steel
that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a "O" ring to seal. You
have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the carb. I would go with
the steel fitting.
Now for your clearance problem. Can the 90 degree carb fitting rotate
up and a 45 fitting be added to route your feed line away from the
exhaust work ? I have used universal steel 45's and 90's (JIC) #6 to do
such routing.
I also recall the Lycoming steel nipple being "O" ringed just for this
case where you need exact orientation AND fuel sealing. Without the "O"
ring thingy you are at the mercy of snugging the tapered pipe threaded
fitting of the standard fitting down to disallow fluid leaking but not
aligning as needed......
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:44 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Fuel line question
>
>
> Look at this picture if you would please:
>
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuel1.jpg
>
> This is the small fuel line instead of the called out longer one. My
> issue,
> the instructions call a 45 degree fitting to come out of the carb.
If I
> use
> that, the fuel line passes right over the exhaust. The 90 degree
fitting
> parallels the exhaust but still is within an inch. In addition, as
you
> can
> see in the picture, the fuel line make a 90 degree "curve" that "just
> ain't
> right". More here, the firesleeves rubs the engine mount which will
not
> viabrate.
>
> Suggestions or "ID'ers"
>
> Could someone please post a link showing there fuel line run from the
> mechanical fuel pump to the carb.
>
> I need to get this firewall forward stuff done as the painter just
called
> to
> say he painted the flying surfaces BLACK over the weekend!!
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>
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| Subject: | FW: Fuel line question (Dana) Source for JIC fitings (Universal |
steel #6 )
http://www.discounthydraulichose.com/SearchResults.asp
Look for p/n 6500 & 6502 ON THE ABOVE LINK. These are great for close
quarters rerouting by stringing these in combo or whatever. My local
hydraulic store has em'. I goggled JIC #6 to get the pictures for you.
You still need a #6 steel Lycoming "O" ring carb fitting. Those are
available either as 45, 90 or straight.
-----Original Message-----
From: Condon, Philip M.
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: FW: Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T I N
G ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Condon, Philip M.
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:03 AM
Cc: Condon, Philip M.
Subject: Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T I N G ?
I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line fitting #6 all steel
that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a "O" ring to seal. You
have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the carb. I would go with
the steel fitting.
Now for your clearance problem. Can the 90 degree carb fitting rotate
up and a 45 fitting be added to route your feed line away from the
exhaust work ? I have used universal steel 45's and 90's (JIC) #6 to do
such routing.
I also recall the Lycoming steel nipple being "O" ringed just for this
case where you need exact orientation AND fuel sealing. Without the "O"
ring thingy you are at the mercy of snugging the tapered pipe threaded
fitting of the standard fitting down to disallow fluid leaking but not
aligning as needed......
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:44 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Fuel line question
>
>
> Look at this picture if you would please:
>
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuel1.jpg
>
> This is the small fuel line instead of the called out longer one. My
> issue,
> the instructions call a 45 degree fitting to come out of the carb.
If I
> use
> that, the fuel line passes right over the exhaust. The 90 degree
fitting
> parallels the exhaust but still is within an inch. In addition, as
you
> can
> see in the picture, the fuel line make a 90 degree "curve" that "just
> ain't
> right". More here, the firesleeves rubs the engine mount which will
not
> viabrate.
>
> Suggestions or "ID'ers"
>
> Could someone please post a link showing there fuel line run from the
> mechanical fuel pump to the carb.
>
> I need to get this firewall forward stuff done as the painter just
called
> to
> say he painted the flying surfaces BLACK over the weekend!!
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>
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| Subject: | Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T I N |
G ?
I just had the alum one in there as an orientation thing as I had a bunch of
those lying around. I wanted to know which steel one to buy. Using the
longer fuel line worked fine.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
>From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV-List: Fuel line question (Dana) _ W R O N G C A R B F I T T
>I N G ?
>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:03:22 -0500
>
>
>
>I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line fitting #6 all steel
>that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a "O" ring to seal. You
>have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the carb. I would go with
>the steel fitting.
>
>Now for your clearance problem. Can the 90 degree carb fitting rotate
>up and a 45 fitting be added to route your feed line away from the
>exhaust work ? I have used universal steel 45's and 90's (JIC) #6 to do
>such routing.
>
>I also recall the Lycoming steel nipple being "O" ringed just for this
>case where you need exact orientation AND fuel sealing. Without the "O"
>ring thingy you are at the mercy of snugging the tapered pipe threaded
>fitting of the standard fitting down to disallow fluid leaking but not
>aligning as needed......
>
>
> > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 7:44 AM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Fuel line question
> >
> >
> > Look at this picture if you would please:
> >
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuel1.jpg
> >
> > This is the small fuel line instead of the called out longer one. My
> > issue,
> > the instructions call a 45 degree fitting to come out of the carb.
>If I
> > use
> > that, the fuel line passes right over the exhaust. The 90 degree
>fitting
> > parallels the exhaust but still is within an inch. In addition, as
>you
> > can
> > see in the picture, the fuel line make a 90 degree "curve" that "just
> > ain't
> > right". More here, the firesleeves rubs the engine mount which will
>not
> > viabrate.
> >
> > Suggestions or "ID'ers"
> >
> > Could someone please post a link showing there fuel line run from the
> > mechanical fuel pump to the carb.
> >
> > I need to get this firewall forward stuff done as the painter just
>called
> > to
> > say he painted the flying surfaces BLACK over the weekend!!
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY i39
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings |
>From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
>I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line fitting #6 all steel
>that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a "O" ring to seal. You
>have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the carb. I would go with
>the steel fitting.
Let's talk about this. I am using a steel 90 degree fitting with O ring and
jam nut on my carb.........but.............my new ECI cyls have alum
fittings for the oil return lines, Van's supplies alum fittings for say, the
MP nipple, 45 degree carb fitting, etc. Nowhere on the jugs or supplied by
Van's is any steel fittings. I have seen numerous airplanes with alum
fitting, say on the prop gov and case nipple for the stainless oil line. I
have steel but OK, for discussion, what gives.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings |
Hi Dana, Reread the previous post...the fitting described here with the
O-ring and jam nut enables you to clock the fitting in the direction you
choose....then tighten the jam nut against the O-ring to seal it tight.
The fitting happens to be steel but it doesn't have anything to do with
the steel vs. aluminum topic. The fitting can also come with a port for
the fuel pressure line....I think you may have one of these on the
upstream end of the hose......don't have pic in front of me???
Back to work buddy :^)!!
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Overall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings
>From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
>I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line fitting #6 all
steel
>that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a "O" ring to seal.
You
>have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the carb. I would go
with
>the steel fitting.
Let's talk about this. I am using a steel 90 degree fitting with O
ring and
jam nut on my carb.........but.............my new ECI cyls have alum
fittings for the oil return lines, Van's supplies alum fittings for
say, the
MP nipple, 45 degree carb fitting, etc. Nowhere on the jugs or
supplied by
Van's is any steel fittings. I have seen numerous airplanes with alum
fitting, say on the prop gov and case nipple for the stainless oil
line. I
have steel but OK, for discussion, what gives.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings |
>Hi Dana, Reread the previous post...the fitting described here with the
>O-ring and jam nut enables you to clock the fitting in the direction you
>choose....then tighten the jam nut against the O-ring to seal it tight. The
>fitting happens to be steel but it doesn't have anything to do with the
>steel vs. aluminum topic. The fitting can also come with a port for the
>fuel pressure line....I think you may have one of these on the upstream end
>of the hose......don't have pic in front of me???
Hey Rick what are you doing not working on the 10:-)
Yes, I have both the fitting you talk about however, I have heard from so
many people saying you ONLY want to use steel fittings on anything on the
engine. Now is just a good time, with the alum fitting I was using to
orient the hose, to discuss what is the deal with using only steel fittings
when ECI and Van's both supply us with alum fitting either on the cyls. or
with the firewall forward kit.
PS, I have some alum fittings and some steel.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
>From: "Rick Gray" <rickgray@roadrunner.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings
>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:33:59 -0500
>
>Hi Dana, Reread the previous post...the fitting described here with the
>O-ring and jam nut enables you to clock the fitting in the direction you
>choose....then tighten the jam nut against the O-ring to seal it tight. The
>fitting happens to be steel but it doesn't have anything to do with the
>steel vs. aluminum topic. The fitting can also come with a port for the
>fuel pressure line....I think you may have one of these on the upstream end
>of the hose......don't have pic in front of me???
>
>Back to work buddy :^)!!
>
>Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
>http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dana Overall
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:52 PM
> Subject: RV-List: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings
>
>
>
> >From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> >
> >I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line fitting #6 all steel
> >that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a "O" ring to seal. You
> >have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the carb. I would go with
> >the steel fitting.
>
> Let's talk about this. I am using a steel 90 degree fitting with O ring
>and
> jam nut on my carb.........but.............my new ECI cyls have alum
> fittings for the oil return lines, Van's supplies alum fittings for say,
>the
> MP nipple, 45 degree carb fitting, etc. Nowhere on the jugs or supplied
>by
> Van's is any steel fittings. I have seen numerous airplanes with alum
> fitting, say on the prop gov and case nipple for the stainless oil line.
>I
> have steel but OK, for discussion, what gives.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings |
Dana,
I would not mate aluminum to aluminum because of the
galling that will take place. You will get the
fitting in but you may not get it out as the fitting
galls.
Dave
--- Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> >From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> >
> >I seem to recall a special Lycoming P/N fuel line
> fitting #6 all steel
> >that threads into the carb with a jam nut with a
> "O" ring to seal. You
> >have a normal aluminum fitting threaded into the
> carb. I would go with
> >the steel fitting.
>
> Let's talk about this. I am using a steel 90 degree
> fitting with O ring and
> jam nut on my carb.........but.............my new
> ECI cyls have alum
> fittings for the oil return lines, Van's supplies
> alum fittings for say, the
> MP nipple, 45 degree carb fitting, etc. Nowhere on
> the jugs or supplied by
> Van's is any steel fittings. I have seen numerous
> airplanes with alum
> fitting, say on the prop gov and case nipple for the
> stainless oil line. I
> have steel but OK, for discussion, what gives.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
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| Subject: | Searching for a self-etching primer |
This is not intended to re-ignite the primer wars, but my building
partner and I have decided to prime the inside of our aircraft. Although
corrosion isn't a big issue here in the middle of the middle west, we
don't know that the aircraft will spend all of its days here.
We want to keep it simple. We've heard some passing references to
self-etching primers and would like to know which ones folks have been
using with success. We would like to find something that comes packaged
in rattle cans for small jobs, but is also available by the gallon when
we move to larger assemblies.
P. A. Barker
RV-9 (tail kit)
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| Subject: | Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings |
Originally I heard that it was due to aluminum melting prior to steel in
a fire. OK, that's reasonable if you plan on an engine compartment
fire. However, I doubt the integrity of the fittings will make a whole
lot of difference in the eventual outcome. Then someone said that
steel fittings were more resistant to fatigue cracking. OK, that sounds
reasonable. Balance the prop.
FWIW, I have aluminum fittings in the engine compartment of my Pitts
...... because I had them and it was before I knew about the 'concern'.
They've been faithful for 25 years now. Hmmm. Maybe I should
worry??? Wonder what the warranty period is.
Linn
Dana Overall wrote:
>
>> Hi Dana, Reread the previous post...the fitting described here with
>> the O-ring and jam nut enables you to clock the fitting in the
>> direction you choose....then tighten the jam nut against the O-ring
>> to seal it tight. The fitting happens to be steel but it doesn't have
>> anything to do with the steel vs. aluminum topic. The fitting can
>> also come with a port for the fuel pressure line....I think you may
>> have one of these on the upstream end of the hose......don't have pic
>> in front of me???
>
>
> Hey Rick what are you doing not working on the 10:-)
>
> Yes, I have both the fitting you talk about however, I have heard from
> so many people saying you ONLY want to use steel fittings on anything
> on the engine. Now is just a good time, with the alum fitting I was
> using to orient the hose, to discuss what is the deal with using only
> steel fittings when ECI and Van's both supply us with alum fitting
> either on the cyls. or with the firewall forward kit.
>
> PS, I have some alum fittings and some steel.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : Fuel line question (Dana) Now Steel fittings |
The only fitting that has to be steel is the prop governor line
connection at the front of the case, for those Lycomings with rear
mounted governors. Those were aluminum originally and had a history of
cracking. That is required by AD. The rest generally are aluminum.
linn Walters wrote:
>
> Originally I heard that it was due to aluminum melting prior to steel
> in a fire. OK, that's reasonable if you plan on an engine compartment
> fire. However, I doubt the integrity of the fittings will make a
> whole lot of difference in the eventual outcome. Then someone said
> that steel fittings were more resistant to fatigue cracking. OK, that
> sounds reasonable. Balance the prop.
> FWIW, I have aluminum fittings in the engine compartment of my Pitts
> ...... because I had them and it was before I knew about the
> 'concern'. They've been faithful for 25 years now. Hmmm. Maybe I
> should worry??? Wonder what the warranty period is.
> Linn
>
> Dana Overall wrote:
>
>>
>>> Hi Dana, Reread the previous post...the fitting described here with
>>> the O-ring and jam nut enables you to clock the fitting in the
>>> direction you choose....then tighten the jam nut against the O-ring
>>> to seal it tight. The fitting happens to be steel but it doesn't
>>> have anything to do with the steel vs. aluminum topic. The fitting
>>> can also come with a port for the fuel pressure line....I think you
>>> may have one of these on the upstream end of the hose......don't
>>> have pic in front of me???
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Rick what are you doing not working on the 10:-)
>>
>> Yes, I have both the fitting you talk about however, I have heard
>> from so many people saying you ONLY want to use steel fittings on
>> anything on the engine. Now is just a good time, with the alum
>> fitting I was using to orient the hose, to discuss what is the deal
>> with using only steel fittings when ECI and Van's both supply us with
>> alum fitting either on the cyls. or with the firewall forward kit.
>>
>> PS, I have some alum fittings and some steel.
>>
>> Dana Overall
>> Richmond, KY i39
>> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
>> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Searching for a self-etching primer |
Have a look at SEM Self-Etching Primer. It comes in rattle-cans, quarts,
and gallons.
http://www.sem.ws/product.php?product_id=139
I really like the stuff.
Brad Oliver
RV-7 | Livermore, CA
www.RV7Factory.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul A. Barker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: RV-List: Searching for a self-etching primer
This is not intended to re-ignite the primer wars, but my building partner
and I have decided to prime the inside of our aircraft. Although corrosion
isn't a big issue here in the middle of the middle west, we don't know that
the aircraft will spend all of its days here.
We want to keep it simple. We've heard some passing references to
self-etching primers and would like to know which ones folks have been using
with success. We would like to find something that comes packaged in rattle
cans for small jobs, but is also available by the gallon when we move to
larger assemblies.
P. A. Barker
RV-9 (tail kit)
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