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1. 04:09 AM - Re: RV-8 Service Ceiling (Dana Overall)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: RV-8 Service Ceiling (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Dynon electrical questions (Charles Reiche)
4. 07:09 AM - Re: Dynon electrical questions (Frank Stringham)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: RV-8 Service Ceiling (Larry Bowen)
6. 11:55 AM - Day/night VFR requirements (Gerry Filby)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Day/night VFR requirements (Hedrick)
8. 01:11 PM - Re: Day/night VFR requirements (Doug Weiler)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: Day/night VFR requirements (Mike Robertson)
10. 08:40 PM - Re: Day/night VFR requirements (Gerry Filby)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Service Ceiling |
Use the 20K but just for fun go to Mike Stewart's, aka Kahuna from TeamRV,
and check out his high altitude ride in his Super 8.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
>From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Service Ceiling
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:20:35 -0700
>
>
>Better to tell the shop to use 20,000 ft. Otherwise you need an altimeter
>certified higher, either 30 or 35K, which will cost you more. No sense in
>doing it unless you intend to use it.
>Ron Lee wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Can someone please provide the accepted service ceiling for an RV-8 with
>>>an IO-360 and Sensenich metal prop. 'Shop checking my altimeter and
>>>transponder in place says needs this altitude figure.
>>
>>I would use 23,000' according to this link:
>>
>>http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-8per.htm
>>
>>180 HP and solo.
>>
>>I never has anyone ask me the same for my plane.
>>
>>Ron Lee
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Service Ceiling |
We have always used a 20,000' altimeter.
Doug Preston
RV-7A N196VA
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon electrical questions |
I would seriously consider using the signal grounds the way shown on the
print and not tying them to airframe ground. With noise on the power bus
and return flow currents flowing through the skin of the aircraft, even
though you are reading 0 on your meter now, there may be a difference in
potential or AC on the "ground" when you are running and flying. If you are
worried about having extra signal grounds available at the dynon for future
use, bring all your sensor signal grounds together and leave some extra
pigtails there about 4" long and cap them off with heat shrink after folding
the end of the wire over, this allows you to come back later and butt splice
or solder in without getting too crazy into the plug.
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dynon electrical questions
>
> First off, Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
>
> Working on the final sensor hookups firewall forward and have a couple
> questions for you Dynon installers.
>
> Dynon list pins 5,16 & 17 as shared sensor grounds with pin 3 being the
> avionics bus ground. I wired in the fuel pressure sensor and simply ran a
> ground from the sensor to the my ground bus and grounded using the 5,16,
> 17. I got the same 0 reading both ways on the screen. Any problem going
> directly to the bus? The reason I ask, if I add something in the future
> and use up 5,16 and 17 on my initial install, I want to be able to have an
> out without splicing.
>
> Pin 18 is the +5V excitation wire for sensors such as carb temp and
> manifold pressure. Since this is only one wire, I was thinking of using a
> small bus bar to leave open future possibilities. Anyone got any pics of a
> simple splice?
>
> Getting close and loving it.
>
> Just a hint http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Dynon electrical questions |
Dana
Happy Thanksgiving to you and to all
I am going to solve the panel / audio portion grounding problem by using
Bob's suggestions found at http://www.aeroelectric.com/ under Whats
New...Chapter on Audio Systems...pages 11 -13.
Good Luck
Frank @ SGU and SLC ......RV7A.....wiring/fiberglass.........$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Dynon electrical questions
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:56:28 -0500
>
>
>First off, Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
>
>Working on the final sensor hookups firewall forward and have a couple
>questions for you Dynon installers.
>
>Dynon list pins 5,16 & 17 as shared sensor grounds with pin 3 being the
>avionics bus ground. I wired in the fuel pressure sensor and simply ran a
>ground from the sensor to the my ground bus and grounded using the 5,16,
>17. I got the same 0 reading both ways on the screen. Any problem going
>directly to the bus? The reason I ask, if I add something in the future and
>use up 5,16 and 17 on my initial install, I want to be able to have an out
>without splicing.
>
>Pin 18 is the +5V excitation wire for sensors such as carb temp and
>manifold pressure. Since this is only one wire, I was thinking of using a
>small bus bar to leave open future possibilities. Anyone got any pics of a
>simple splice?
>
>Getting close and loving it.
>
>Just a hint http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
>
>Dana Overall
>Richmond, KY i39
>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
>http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
>do not archive
>
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| Subject: | RV-8 Service Ceiling |
My recent xpdr check was done to 20K. They didn't ask me for that figure.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:kellym@aviating.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:21 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Service Ceiling
>
>
> Better to tell the shop to use 20,000 ft. Otherwise you need
> an altimeter certified higher, either 30 or 35K, which will
> cost you more.
> No sense in doing it unless you intend to use it.
> Ron Lee wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Can someone please provide the accepted service ceiling
> for an RV-8
> >> with an IO-360 and Sensenich metal prop. 'Shop checking
> my altimeter
> >> and transponder in place says needs this altitude figure.
> >
> > I would use 23,000' according to this link:
> >
> > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-8per.htm
> >
> > 180 HP and solo.
> >
> > I never has anyone ask me the same for my plane.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Day/night VFR requirements |
What are the equipment requirements to operate day/night VFR ?
I may be being dense but I'm finding it hard to locate a
definitive list ...
__g__
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
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| Subject: | Day/night VFR requirements |
This is taken from- aopa.org
Keith Hedrick
Rv-6
Carlinville il
3LF
======================
Required Flight Instruments And Equipment
VFR Day: ATOMS LEFR
Memory Aid ATOMS Love Electrons Flying Round
AA Altimeter, airspeed indicator
TT Tachometer, temperature gauge
OO Oil temperature, oil pressure gauges
MM Magnetic compass, manifold pressure gauge
SS Seat belt, shoulder harness
L Landing gear position indicator (retractable-gear aircraft)
E Emergency locator transmitter
F Fuel quantity gauge for each tank
R Rotating beacon
VFR Night: Atoms LEFR + PLFA
Memory Aid ATOMS LEFR plus Pilots Love Flying Airplanes
P Position lights (green right wing, red left wing, white tail)
L Landing light (only if used for hire, not flight instruction)
F Fuses a spare set of each required type accessible to the pilot in
flight
A Anticollision light (red and/or white) rotating beacon
IFR: Above VFR instruments and equipment for either day or night, plus
RRSACAPD
Memory Aid Read Regulations So Aviation Credentials Always Produce
Dividends
R Two-way radio
R Gyroscopic rate of turn indicator (turn coordinator)
S Slip/skid indicator (inclinometer)
A Altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure
C Clock with digital or sweep hour, minutes, and seconds display
A Alternator or generator
P Gyroscopic pitch and bank indicator (attitude indicator)
D Gyroscopic direction indicator (heading indicator)
Flight Instruments By Group
Pitch Instruments
Altimeter
Airspeed indicator (ASI)
Attitude indicator (AI)
Vertical speed indicator (VSI)
Bank Instruments
Heading indicator (HI)
Attitude indicator (AI)
Turn coordinator
Power Instruments
Tachometer (RPM)
Manifold pressure (MP-aircraft with constant-speed propellers)
Airspeed indicator (ASI)
Flight Instruments By System
Pitot-Static Instruments
Pressure altimeter
Vertical speed indicator (VSI)
Airspeed indicator (ASI)
Gyroscopic (Vacuum) Instruments
Attitude indicator (AI)
Heading indicator (HI)
Gyroscopic (Electric) Instruments
Turn coordinator (many aircraft)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: Day/night VFR requirements
What are the equipment requirements to operate day/night VFR ?
I may be being dense but I'm finding it hard to locate a
definitive list ...
__g__
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
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| Subject: | Re: Day/night VFR requirements |
On 11/23/06 1:53 PM, "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com> wrote:
>
>
> What are the equipment requirements to operate day/night VFR ?
> I may be being dense but I'm finding it hard to locate a
> definitive list ...
Here is the list..
Doug Weiler
------------------------------
>From FAR 91.205:
(a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this
section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a standard
category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation described in
paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that aircraft contains the
instruments and equipment specified in those paragraphs (or FAA-approved
equivalents) for that type of operation, and those instruments and items of
equipment are in operable condition.
(b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the following
instruments and equipment are required:
(1) Airspeed indicator.
(2) Altimeter.
(3) Magnetic direction indicator.
(4) Tachometer for each engine.
(5) Oil pressure gauge for each engine using pressure system.
(6) Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine.
(7) Oil temperature gauge for each air-cooled engine.
(8) Manifold pressure gauge for each altitude engine.
(9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
(10) Landing gear position indicator, if the aircraft has a retractable
landing gear.
(11) For small civil airplanes certificated after March 11, 1996, in
accordance with part 23 of this chapter, an approved aviation red or
aviation white anticollision light system. In the event of failure of any
light of the anticollision light system, operation of the aircraft may
continue to a location where repairs or replacement can be made.
(12) If the aircraft is operated for hire over water and beyond power-off
gliding distance from shore, approved flotation gear readily available to
each occupant and, unless the aircraft is operating under part 121 of this
subchapter, at least one pyrotechnic signaling device. As used in this
section, shore means that area of the land adjacent to the water which is
above the high water mark and excludes land areas which are intermittently
under water.
(13) An approved safety belt with an approved metal-to-metal latching device
for each occupant 2 years of age or older.
(14) For small civil airplanes manufactured after July 18, 1978, an approved
shoulder harness for each front seat. The shoulder harness must be designed
to protect the occupant from serious head injury when the occupant
experiences the ultimate inertia forces specified in 23.561(b)(2) of this
chapter. Each shoulder harness installed at a flight crewmember station must
permit the crewmember, when seated and with the safety belt and shoulder
harness fastened, to perform all functions necessary for flight operations.
For purposes of this paragraph
(i) The date of manufacture of an airplane is the date the inspection
acceptance records reflect that the airplane is complete and meets the
FAA-approved type design data; and
(ii) A front seat is a seat located at a flight crewmember station or any
seat located alongside such a seat.
(15) An emergency locator transmitter, if required by 91.207.
(16) For normal, utility, and acrobatic category airplanes with a seating
configuration, excluding pilot seats, of 9 or less, manufactured after
December 12, 1986, a shoulder harness for
(i) Each front seat that meets the requirements of 23.785 (g) and (h) of
this chapter in effect on December 12, 1985;
(ii) Each additional seat that meets the requirements of 23.785(g) of this
chapter in effect on December 12, 1985.
(17) For rotorcraft manufactured after September 16, 1992, a shoulder
harness for each seat that meets the requirements of 27.2 or 29.2 of this
chapter in effect on September 16, 1991.
(c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following
instruments and equipment are required:
(1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section.
(2) Approved position lights.
(3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on
all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially
installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate
was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the
anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as
applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color
may be either aviation red or aviation white. In the event of failure of any
light of the anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be
continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made.
(4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light.
(5) An adequate source of electrical energy for all installed electrical and
radio equipment.
(6) One spare set of fuses, or three spare fuses of each kind required, that
are accessible to the pilot in flight.
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| Subject: | Day/night VFR requirements |
Check out FAR 91.205(b), (c), & (e). While the start says is is only applicable
to standard category aircraft, the operating limitations that will be issued
with the Special A/w cert will have a paragraph that says " Unless appropriately
equipped in accordance with 21.205 for night and/or IFR flight, the aircraft
is restricted to say VFR."
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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> Subject: RV-List: Day/night VFR requirements
> From: gerf@gerf.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:53:57 -0800
>
>
>
> What are the equipment requirements to operate day/night VFR ?
> I may be being dense but I'm finding it hard to locate a
> definitive list ...
>
> __g__
>
> ==========================================================
> Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Day/night VFR requirements |
Thanks all !!
(I get a mental block just looking at the cover of the FAR/AIM
..)
Follow up question ... in the the "R" in "ATOMS LEFR" - I don't
think I've ever seen a rotating beacon on an RV - do we have to
comply ?
g
>
>
> This is taken from- aopa.org
>
> Keith Hedrick
> Rv-6
> Carlinville il
> 3LF
> >
>
> Required Flight Instruments And Equipment
>
>
> VFR Day: ATOMS LEFR
> Memory Aid ATOMS Love Electrons Flying Round
>
> AA Altimeter, airspeed indicator
> TT Tachometer, temperature gauge
> OO Oil temperature, oil pressure gauges
> MM Magnetic compass, manifold pressure gauge
> SS Seat belt, shoulder harness
> L Landing gear position indicator (retractable-gear aircraft)
> E Emergency locator transmitter
> F Fuel quantity gauge for each tank
> R Rotating beacon
>
> VFR Night: Atoms LEFR + PLFA
> Memory Aid ATOMS LEFR plus Pilots Love Flying Airplanes
>
> P Position lights (green right wing, red left wing, white tail)
> L Landing light (only if used for hire, not flight instruction)
> F Fuses a spare set of each required type accessible to the pilot in
> flight
> A Anticollision light (red and/or white) rotating beacon
>
> IFR: Above VFR instruments and equipment for either day or night, plus
> RRSACAPD
> Memory Aid Read Regulations So Aviation Credentials Always Produce
> Dividends
>
> R Two-way radio
> R Gyroscopic rate of turn indicator (turn coordinator)
> S Slip/skid indicator (inclinometer)
> A Altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure
> C Clock with digital or sweep hour, minutes, and seconds display
> A Alternator or generator
> P Gyroscopic pitch and bank indicator (attitude indicator)
> D Gyroscopic direction indicator (heading indicator)
>
> Flight Instruments By Group
>
> Pitch Instruments
>
> Altimeter
> Airspeed indicator (ASI)
> Attitude indicator (AI)
> Vertical speed indicator (VSI)
>
> Bank Instruments
>
> Heading indicator (HI)
> Attitude indicator (AI)
> Turn coordinator
>
> Power Instruments
>
> Tachometer (RPM)
> Manifold pressure (MP-aircraft with constant-speed propellers)
> Airspeed indicator (ASI)
>
> Flight Instruments By System
>
> Pitot-Static Instruments
>
> Pressure altimeter
> Vertical speed indicator (VSI)
> Airspeed indicator (ASI)
>
> Gyroscopic (Vacuum) Instruments
>
> Attitude indicator (AI)
> Heading indicator (HI)
>
> Gyroscopic (Electric) Instruments
>
> Turn coordinator (many aircraft)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Day/night VFR requirements
>
>
>
> What are the equipment requirements to operate day/night VFR ?
> I may be being dense but I'm finding it hard to locate a
> definitive list ...
>
> __g__
>
> > Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
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