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0. 12:47 AM - More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution! (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:09 AM - Rudder bottom secrets? (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 07:14 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Smitty)
5. 07:47 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 08:38 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
7. 10:27 AM - Re: RV-8 Service Ceiling (Jack Blomgren)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: Day/night VFR requirements (Doug Weiler)
9. 04:58 PM - travelliing to Ottawa (Jim Jewell)
10. 05:54 PM - Re: travelliing to Ottawa (Terry Mortimore)
11. 06:49 PM - Re: Searching for a self-etching primer (Randy Lervold)
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| Subject: | Rudder bottom secrets? |
Fellow listers,
Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm cleaning
up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I have come to
this chunk of plastic.
Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is - that's one
issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to either.
The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw arms. I've
seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that comes closest to what
I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the rudder arms forward
and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back together after it is installed.
I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be accomplished
(OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a template of the area
that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both sides are symmetrical?
Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph Capen
RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder bottom secrets? |
Richard,
I don't have any photos, but I will admit to one mistake I made which is
still visable on my airplane.
I had the same concerns that you do, so I just trimmed until it looked right.
But, when I assembled the whole airplane it is obvious that the rudder
bottom sticks about 1/4 inch lower than it should. So my advice is to wait to
fit
it after you have the vertical stab on the fuselage.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A Flying since July '04
In a message dated 11/24/2006 8:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
recapen@earthlink.net writes:
Fellow listers,
Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm
cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I have come
to this chunk of plastic.
Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is - that's
one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to either.
The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw arms.
I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that comes closest to
what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the rudder arms
forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back together after it is
installed.
I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be
accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a template of
the
area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both sides are symmetrical?
Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph Capen
RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder bottom secrets? |
My VS is on so I'll hopefully not have it sticking out the bottom....Thanks,
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>Sent: Nov 24, 2006 9:10 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>
>Richard,
>
>I don't have any photos, but I will admit to one mistake I made which is
>still visable on my airplane.
>
>I had the same concerns that you do, so I just trimmed until it looked right.
> But, when I assembled the whole airplane it is obvious that the rudder
>bottom sticks about 1/4 inch lower than it should. So my advice is to wait to
fit
>it after you have the vertical stab on the fuselage.
>
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A Flying since July '04
>
>
>In a message dated 11/24/2006 8:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>recapen@earthlink.net writes:
>Fellow listers,
>
>Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm
>cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I have come
>to this chunk of plastic.
>
>Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is - that's
>one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to either.
>The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw arms.
>I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that comes closest to
>what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the rudder arms
>forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back together after it is
>installed.
>
>I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be
>accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a template of
the
>area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both sides are symmetrical?
>
>Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ralph Capen
>RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder bottom secrets? |
Here's a link to a short tutorial I found on the internet about attaching
the rudder bottom. It doesn't mention how much of the rudder top to cut off.
On my RV-9A the rudder fiberglass bottom actually has a faint line on the
service to indicate where to cut the flanges off. I had to hold it up to the
light to see the line.
http://www.cafes.net/leo/RV-6/R-Fairing/R-Fairing.html
Have a goodun!
Smitty's RV-9A
http://SmittysRV.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
"RV7 Yahoo list" <RV7A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm
> cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I
> have come to this chunk of plastic.
>
> Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is -
> that's one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to
> either.
> The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw
> arms. I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that comes
> closest to what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the
> rudder arms forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back
> together after it is installed.
>
> I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be
> accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a
> template of the area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both
> sides are symmetrical?
>
> Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
> RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder bottom secrets? |
Smitty,
The tutorial you've pointed me to also has a reference to a RVator article that
I will check out.
I'll look for the line again on my bottom part.
Stuff like this makes my donation worth it!
Thanks,
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Smitty <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>Sent: Nov 24, 2006 10:13 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>
>
>Here's a link to a short tutorial I found on the internet about attaching
>the rudder bottom. It doesn't mention how much of the rudder top to cut off.
>On my RV-9A the rudder fiberglass bottom actually has a faint line on the
>service to indicate where to cut the flanges off. I had to hold it up to the
>light to see the line.
>
>http://www.cafes.net/leo/RV-6/R-Fairing/R-Fairing.html
>
>Have a goodun!
>Smitty's RV-9A
>http://SmittysRV.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "RV6 list" <rv6-list@matronics.com>;
>"RV7 Yahoo list" <RV7A@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:08 AM
>Subject: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>
>
>>
>> Fellow listers,
>>
>> Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm
>> cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I
>> have come to this chunk of plastic.
>>
>> Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is -
>> that's one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to
>> either.
>> The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw
>> arms. I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that comes
>> closest to what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the
>> rudder arms forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back
>> together after it is installed.
>>
>> I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be
>> accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a
>> template of the area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both
>> sides are symmetrical?
>>
>> Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Ralph Capen
>> RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder bottom secrets? |
Oops -- sorry I called you Richard, Ralph!
do not archive
In a message dated 11/24/2006 9:51:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
recapen@earthlink.net writes:
My VS is on so I'll hopefully not have it sticking out the bottom....Thanks,
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>Sent: Nov 24, 2006 9:10 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>
>Richard,
>
>I don't have any photos, but I will admit to one mistake I made which is
>still visable on my airplane.
>
>I had the same concerns that you do, so I just trimmed until it looked
right.
> But, when I assembled the whole airplane it is obvious that the rudder
>bottom sticks about 1/4 inch lower than it should. So my advice is to wait
to fit
>it after you have the vertical stab on the fuselage.
>
>Dan Hopper
>RV-7A Flying since July '04
>
>
>In a message dated 11/24/2006 8:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>recapen@earthlink.net writes:
>Fellow listers,
>
>Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm
>cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I have
come
>to this chunk of plastic.
>
>Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is - that's
>one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to either.
>The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw arms.
>I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that comes closest
to
>what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the rudder arms
>forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back together after it is
>installed.
>
>I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be
>accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a template
of the
>area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both sides are symmetrical?
>
>Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ralph Capen
>RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
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| Subject: | RV-8 Service Ceiling |
Thanks all responding. Found out the reason shop asked for altitude is
their (FAA?) form lists altitudes in 2000 ft increments (at least around
20,000 ft.). So, they suggested use 22,000 ft. ceiling for my -8.
Thanks Again, Jack
>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-8 Service Ceiling
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:07:52 -0500
>
>
>My recent xpdr check was done to 20K. They didn't ask me for that figure.
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:kellym@aviating.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:21 PM
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 Service Ceiling
> >
> >
> > Better to tell the shop to use 20,000 ft. Otherwise you need
> > an altimeter certified higher, either 30 or 35K, which will
> > cost you more.
> > No sense in doing it unless you intend to use it.
> > Ron Lee wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Can someone please provide the accepted service ceiling
> > for an RV-8
> > >> with an IO-360 and Sensenich metal prop. 'Shop checking
> > my altimeter
> > >> and transponder in place says needs this altitude figure.
> > >
> > > I would use 23,000' according to this link:
> > >
> > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-8per.htm
> > >
> > > 180 HP and solo.
> > >
> > > I never has anyone ask me the same for my plane.
> > >
> > > Ron Lee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Day/night VFR requirements |
One, two, or three strobe lights fulfill this requirement.
Doug Weiler
On 11/23/06 10:38 PM, "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks all !!
>
> (I get a mental block just looking at the cover of the FAR/AIM
> ..)
>
> Follow up question ... in the the "R" in "ATOMS LEFR" - I don't
> think I've ever seen a rotating beacon on an RV - do we have to
> comply ?
>
> g
>
>>
>>
>> This is taken from- aopa.org
>>
>> Keith Hedrick
>> Rv-6
>> Carlinville il
>> 3LF
>>>
>>
>> Required Flight Instruments And Equipment
>>
>>
>> VFR Day: ATOMS LEFR
>> Memory Aid ATOMS Love Electrons Flying Round
>>
>> AA Altimeter, airspeed indicator
>> TT Tachometer, temperature gauge
>> OO Oil temperature, oil pressure gauges
>> MM Magnetic compass, manifold pressure gauge
>> SS Seat belt, shoulder harness
>> L Landing gear position indicator (retractable-gear aircraft)
>> E Emergency locator transmitter
>> F Fuel quantity gauge for each tank
>> R Rotating beacon
>>
>> VFR Night: Atoms LEFR + PLFA
>> Memory Aid ATOMS LEFR plus Pilots Love Flying Airplanes
>>
>> P Position lights (green right wing, red left wing, white tail)
>> L Landing light (only if used for hire, not flight instruction)
>> F Fuses a spare set of each required type accessible to the pilot in
>> flight
>> A Anticollision light (red and/or white) rotating beacon
>>
>> IFR: Above VFR instruments and equipment for either day or night, plus
>> RRSACAPD
>> Memory Aid Read Regulations So Aviation Credentials Always Produce
>> Dividends
>>
>> R Two-way radio
>> R Gyroscopic rate of turn indicator (turn coordinator)
>> S Slip/skid indicator (inclinometer)
>> A Altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure
>> C Clock with digital or sweep hour, minutes, and seconds display
>> A Alternator or generator
>> P Gyroscopic pitch and bank indicator (attitude indicator)
>> D Gyroscopic direction indicator (heading indicator)
>>
>> Flight Instruments By Group
>>
>> Pitch Instruments
>>
>> Altimeter
>> Airspeed indicator (ASI)
>> Attitude indicator (AI)
>> Vertical speed indicator (VSI)
>>
>> Bank Instruments
>>
>> Heading indicator (HI)
>> Attitude indicator (AI)
>> Turn coordinator
>>
>> Power Instruments
>>
>> Tachometer (RPM)
>> Manifold pressure (MP-aircraft with constant-speed propellers)
>> Airspeed indicator (ASI)
>>
>> Flight Instruments By System
>>
>> Pitot-Static Instruments
>>
>> Pressure altimeter
>> Vertical speed indicator (VSI)
>> Airspeed indicator (ASI)
>>
>> Gyroscopic (Vacuum) Instruments
>>
>> Attitude indicator (AI)
>> Heading indicator (HI)
>>
>> Gyroscopic (Electric) Instruments
>>
>> Turn coordinator (many aircraft)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:54 PM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Day/night VFR requirements
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the equipment requirements to operate day/night VFR ?
>> I may be being dense but I'm finding it hard to locate a
>> definitive list ...
>>
>> __g__
>>
>>> Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _->
>> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _-> _->
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | travelliing to Ottawa |
I will be visiting in the Ottawa area from this coming Thursday Nov. 30
until Dec 9.
I will have time to sight see and visit in and around the Ottawa area.
If any aircraft homebuilders want to share and compare notes and pictures,
coffee, etc. please advise as to contact information.
Thanks,
Jim in Kelowna - Finished RV6-A waiting for the paperwork to be returned
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| Subject: | Re: travelliing to Ottawa |
Hi Jim:
I don't live in Ottawa but, I have visited my daughter there a few times.
Just wanted to suggest that you save at least an afternoon for the Aviation
Museaum. A very pleasant way to spend an afternoon.
Tailwinds, Terry.
RV-6A, fuselage in jig.
P.S. If you happen to be driving to Ottawa you can always stop here in Sault
Ste Marie for a visit.
----- Original Message -----
>
> I will be visiting in the Ottawa area from this coming Thursday Nov. 30
> until Dec 9.
> I will have time to sight see and visit in and around the Ottawa area.
> If any aircraft homebuilders want to share and compare notes and pictures,
> coffee, etc. please advise as to contact information.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim in Kelowna - Finished RV6-A waiting for the paperwork to be returned
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Searching for a self-etching primer |
Harry, did you scuff the SEM surface first? I've used SEM on all interior
parts and then scuffed it with Scotchbrite fairly thoroughly when it came
time to paint. I'm not flying yet so I don't know if I'll have an adhesion
problem but not so far.
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <HCRV6@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Searching for a self-etching primer
>
> SEM self etching primer is good but a word of caution is in order. If you
> plan to apply a finish coat over the SEM you must first lay on a coat of
> regular primer that is compatible with the finish. If you skip this step
> you will find that the finish coat doesen't adhere well to the SEM and the
> top coat will eventually start to peel in places, usually the most visible
> and obvious places. Don't bother asking me how I learned this.
> --
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 291 hours
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