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1. 04:29 AM - RE Ottawa (glen matejcek)
2. 08:11 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
3. 10:28 AM - Airmap 1000 reviews? (bill shook)
4. 05:44 PM - Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Kyle Boatright)
5. 06:40 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Bob J.)
6. 07:01 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Stein Bruch)
7. 07:57 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Bill VonDane)
8. 07:57 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (LarryRobertHelming)
9. 08:10 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (sarg314)
10. 09:10 PM - apply for registration (sarg314)
11. 11:08 PM - Re: apply for registration (RV6 Flyer)
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Hi Jim-
If you like Cajun food, check out Big Daddy's at the south end of the
business district on Elgin (?) street. Wonderful food, great city!
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder bottom secrets? |
Hey Smitty, Did your have a faint line for the forward notch, because my
fiberglass bottom looks like it does.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>
> Smitty,
>
> The tutorial you've pointed me to also has a reference to a RVator article
> that I will check out.
>
> I'll look for the line again on my bottom part.
>
> Stuff like this makes my donation worth it!
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Smitty <smitty@smittysrv.com>
>>Sent: Nov 24, 2006 10:13 AM
>>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>>
>>
>>Here's a link to a short tutorial I found on the internet about attaching
>>the rudder bottom. It doesn't mention how much of the rudder top to cut
>>off.
>>On my RV-9A the rudder fiberglass bottom actually has a faint line on the
>>service to indicate where to cut the flanges off. I had to hold it up to
>>the
>>light to see the line.
>>
>>http://www.cafes.net/leo/RV-6/R-Fairing/R-Fairing.html
>>
>>Have a goodun!
>>Smitty's RV-9A
>>http://SmittysRV.com
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com>; "RV6 list"
>><rv6-list@matronics.com>;
>>"RV7 Yahoo list" <RV7A@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:08 AM
>>Subject: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Fellow listers,
>>>
>>> Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm
>>> cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I
>>> have come to this chunk of plastic.
>>>
>>> Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is -
>>> that's one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to
>>> either.
>>> The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw
>>> arms. I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that
>>> comes
>>> closest to what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the
>>> rudder arms forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back
>>> together after it is installed.
>>>
>>> I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be
>>> accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a
>>> template of the area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both
>>> sides are symmetrical?
>>>
>>> Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Ralph Capen
>>> RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>
>
> --
> 11/24/2006
>
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| Subject: | Airmap 1000 reviews? |
I would appreciate any views on the airmap 1000 unit from those who have experience
with
them. All of the reviews I find online are glowing but those can be misleading
at
times. Thanks for any thoughts you might have.
Bill
-4 wings
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| Subject: | Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
together.
Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only
problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the
air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the
pipes from moving laterally.
Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust
clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of
welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line,
and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally.
Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that
this system needs to be reworked.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
Yep, use a piece of 6061T6 bar, .250" thick, .750" wide, maybe 6" or so long
to tie the pipes together. I kept breaking those angles early on and
followed the "when in doubt build it stout" rule and haven't had any
problems in 600 or so hours since. Once I tied the pipes together solidly
then the other hangers quit breaking. There's still enough "give" to allow
for thermal expansion or movement.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 11/25/06, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
> Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
> provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
> aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
> together.
>
> Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem
> it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet
> was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving
> laterally.
>
> Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps
> from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose
> instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that
> keep the pipes from moving laterally.
>
> Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this
> system needs to be reworked.
>
> KB
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
Quick question....are your hangers still mounted to the engine mount? If so
I'm afraid you'll probably still continue to break them (as many of us
experienced repeatedly). You need to make sure the hangers go up to the
engine case instead of the mount. If you're already doing that, then I
don't know exactly what the deal is....
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:43 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
together.
Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem
it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet
was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving
laterally.
Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps
from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose
instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that
keep the pipes from moving laterally.
Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this
system needs to be reworked.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
I had the same problem early on, after about 80 hours or so.....so I
made my own hangars and they have been working perfectly now for nearly
300 hours...
http://www.rv8a.com/engine/engine3.htm
look toward the bottom of the page for details and photos...
-Bill VonDane
www.rv8a.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle Boatright
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
together.
Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only
problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the
air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the
pipes from moving laterally.
Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust
clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of
welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line,
and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally.
Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that
this system needs to be reworked.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
I suggest to get in touch with Vetterman. He may have a better way of
supporting the exhaust pipes since your install. Two years ago I
installed mine using the Vetterman exhaust instructions / parts supplied
from order through Vans and all the support brackets attach to the
engine and nothing touches or attaches to the engine mount. That could
be your problem. I haven't had any problems in over 150 hours. Larry
in Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle Boatright
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
together.
Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only
problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the
air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the
pipes from moving laterally.
Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust
clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of
welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line,
and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally.
Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that
this system needs to be reworked.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
Larry Vetterman has a new exhaust hanger scheme which I have installed
in my 6A (not flying yet). It uses 2 edel clamps which attach to an
engine mount tube and support a piece of 1/8 aluminum plate. A rubber
automotive exhaust support hangs from that and the stainless steel
exhaust clamp hangs from the rubber support. It helped a lot with a
clearance problem I had with the exhaust pipes.
It's flying on a few planes now. Larry thinks it may be superior.
Having installed his standard method first, I think it is too, but only
time will tell.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | apply for registration |
I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step -
actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time
estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My
best guess is 3 to 6 months.
Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA
says 90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6
months). Does the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the
number before I actually get my airworthyness certificate?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | apply for registration |
My aircraft was registered two years before I applied for the airworthiness
certificate.
The People's Republic of California wanted me to pay PROPERTY TAX on it once
it was registered but they accepted incomplete till it flew. The only extra
work was writing the letter to the tax man that it was not an airplane yet.
I did notify them that it was an airplane a few days after it made its first
flight. I am not sure if the FEDs care other than it is registered when you
get your airworthiness inspection. You need your 8150-3 "hard card"
registration back from OK City and in your possesion for that.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,972 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
Subject: RV-List: apply for registration
I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step -
actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time
estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My best
guess is 3 to 6 months.
Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA says
90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6 months). Does
the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the number before I
actually get my airworthyness certificate?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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