---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/25/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - RE Ottawa (glen matejcek) 2. 08:11 AM - Re: Rudder bottom secrets? (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty) 3. 10:28 AM - Airmap 1000 reviews? (bill shook) 4. 05:44 PM - Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Kyle Boatright) 5. 06:40 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Bob J.) 6. 07:01 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Stein Bruch) 7. 07:57 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Bill VonDane) 8. 07:57 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (LarryRobertHelming) 9. 08:10 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (sarg314) 10. 09:10 PM - apply for registration (sarg314) 11. 11:08 PM - Re: apply for registration (RV6 Flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:31 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE Ottawa Hi Jim- If you like Cajun food, check out Big Daddy's at the south end of the business district on Elgin (?) street. Wonderful food, great city! glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:53 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets? Hey Smitty, Did your have a faint line for the forward notch, because my fiberglass bottom looks like it does. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph E. Capen" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets? > > Smitty, > > The tutorial you've pointed me to also has a reference to a RVator article > that I will check out. > > I'll look for the line again on my bottom part. > > Stuff like this makes my donation worth it! > > Thanks, > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Smitty >>Sent: Nov 24, 2006 10:13 AM >>To: rv-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets? >> >> >>Here's a link to a short tutorial I found on the internet about attaching >>the rudder bottom. It doesn't mention how much of the rudder top to cut >>off. >>On my RV-9A the rudder fiberglass bottom actually has a faint line on the >>service to indicate where to cut the flanges off. I had to hold it up to >>the >>light to see the line. >> >>http://www.cafes.net/leo/RV-6/R-Fairing/R-Fairing.html >> >>Have a goodun! >>Smitty's RV-9A >>http://SmittysRV.com >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ralph E. Capen" >>To: "rv-list" ; "RV6 list" >>; >>"RV7 Yahoo list" >>Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:08 AM >>Subject: RV-List: Rudder bottom secrets? >> >> >>> >>> Fellow listers, >>> >>> Are there any secrets to fitting the fiberglass rudder bottom cap? I'm >>> cleaning up a bunch of little things that I have been putting off and I >>> have come to this chunk of plastic. >>> >>> Its not cut in a straight line although the bottom of the rudder is - >>> that's one issue. There does not appear to be a mold line to cut to >>> either. >>> The other issue is cutting out the forward notch for the rudder throw >>> arms. I've seen this done a couple of different ways - the one that >>> comes >>> closest to what I would like to do is cutting the horizontal line of the >>> rudder arms forward and putting in a few nutplates to screw it back >>> together after it is installed. >>> >>> I don't recall reading anything in the instructions on how this is to be >>> accomplished (OK - I'll read them again to be sure). I can make a >>> template of the area that it fits to - but how do you ensure that both >>> sides are symmetrical? >>> >>> Any explicit instructions or photos would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Ralph Capen >>> RV6AQB N822AR @ N06 Aligning wings and a bunch of little things. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > 11/24/2006 > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:55 AM PST US From: bill shook Subject: RV-List: Airmap 1000 reviews? I would appreciate any views on the airmap 1000 unit from those who have experience with them. All of the reviews I find online are glowing but those can be misleading at times. Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Bill -4 wings ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:22 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6. Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes together. Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving laterally. Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally. Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this system needs to be reworked. KB ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:46 PM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Yep, use a piece of 6061T6 bar, .250" thick, .750" wide, maybe 6" or so long to tie the pipes together. I kept breaking those angles early on and followed the "when in doubt build it stout" rule and haven't had any problems in 600 or so hours since. Once I tied the pipes together solidly then the other hangers quit breaking. There's still enough "give" to allow for thermal expansion or movement. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 11/25/06, Kyle Boatright wrote: > > Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6. > Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman > provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so > aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes > together. > > Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem > it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet > was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving > laterally. > > Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps > from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose > instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that > keep the pipes from moving laterally. > > Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this > system needs to be reworked. > > KB > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:16 PM PST US From: "Stein Bruch" Subject: RE: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Quick question....are your hangers still mounted to the engine mount? If so I'm afraid you'll probably still continue to break them (as many of us experienced repeatedly). You need to make sure the hangers go up to the engine case instead of the mount. If you're already doing that, then I don't know exactly what the deal is.... Cheers, Stein. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:43 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6. Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes together. Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving laterally. Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally. Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this system needs to be reworked. KB ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:15 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) I had the same problem early on, after about 80 hours or so.....so I made my own hangars and they have been working perfectly now for nearly 300 hours... http://www.rv8a.com/engine/engine3.htm look toward the bottom of the page for details and photos... -Bill VonDane www.rv8a.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Boatright Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6. Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes together. Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving laterally. Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally. Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this system needs to be reworked. KB ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:42 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) I suggest to get in touch with Vetterman. He may have a better way of supporting the exhaust pipes since your install. Two years ago I installed mine using the Vetterman exhaust instructions / parts supplied from order through Vans and all the support brackets attach to the engine and nothing touches or attaches to the engine mount. That could be your problem. I haven't had any problems in over 150 hours. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Boatright To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6. Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes together. Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the pipes from moving laterally. Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line, and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally. Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that this system needs to be reworked. KB ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:10 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: Re: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) Larry Vetterman has a new exhaust hanger scheme which I have installed in my 6A (not flying yet). It uses 2 edel clamps which attach to an engine mount tube and support a piece of 1/8 aluminum plate. A rubber automotive exhaust support hangs from that and the stainless steel exhaust clamp hangs from the rubber support. It helped a lot with a clearance problem I had with the exhaust pipes. It's flying on a few planes now. Larry thinks it may be superior. Having installed his standard method first, I think it is too, but only time will tell. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:11 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: apply for registration I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step - actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My best guess is 3 to 6 months. Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA says 90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6 months). Does the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the number before I actually get my airworthyness certificate? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:23 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: apply for registration My aircraft was registered two years before I applied for the airworthiness certificate. The People's Republic of California wanted me to pay PROPERTY TAX on it once it was registered but they accepted incomplete till it flew. The only extra work was writing the letter to the tax man that it was not an airplane yet. I did notify them that it was an airplane a few days after it made its first flight. I am not sure if the FEDs care other than it is registered when you get your airworthiness inspection. You need your 8150-3 "hard card" registration back from OK City and in your possesion for that. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,972 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: apply for registration I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step - actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My best guess is 3 to 6 months. Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA says 90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6 months). Does the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the number before I actually get my airworthyness certificate? -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. 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