Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:01 AM - Re: apply for registration (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: apply for registration (Tim Bryan)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: apply for registration (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Andy Gold)
5. 07:25 AM - oil and fuel hose maintenance? (Andy Gold)
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (LarryRobertHelming)
7. 09:45 AM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (Oliver Washburn)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: oil and fuel hose maintenance? (Sam Buchanan)
9. 01:55 PM - Quick Build Fuselage Primer? (Dan)
10. 02:55 PM - Re: apply for registration (linn Walters)
11. 03:41 PM - Re: Quick Build Fuselage Primer? (Dale Ellis)
12. 04:35 PM - Re: apply for registration (Dana Overall)
13. 05:14 PM - Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) (HCRV6@comcast.net)
14. 05:28 PM - Re: Searching for a self-etching primer (HCRV6@comcast.net)
15. 06:12 PM - Re: Searching for a self-etching primer (Ron Lee)
16. 08:03 PM - Re: apply for registration (Larry Bowen)
17. 09:35 PM - Re: apply for registration (linn Walters)
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| Subject: | Re: apply for registration |
I've had my Registration for a couple of years now - no complaints from the
FAA - but it does trigger potential action from your local tax
collector........
YMMV
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: RV-List: apply for registration
>
> I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step -
> actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time
> estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My
> best guess is 3 to 6 months.
> Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA says
> 90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6 months). Does
> the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the number before I
> actually get my airworthyness certificate?
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | apply for registration |
You can register it now if you want and still be fine. However, make sure
you put everything on the registration correctly as your airworthiness must
match it exactly. If you move, start the process to change your address and
get a new registration right away. The address must match also.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:09 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: apply for registration
>
>
> I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step -
> actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time
> estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My
> best guess is 3 to 6 months.
>
> Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA
> says 90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6
> months). Does the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the
> number before I actually get my airworthyness certificate?
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | apply for registration |
I just went through this, and gave myself plenty of time to correct any
mistakes. They do not care how much time is between registration and the
issuance of an airworthiness certificate. What the registration does is
kick off the local tax guy trying to collect on your airplane, so this
is why many delay as long as possible. The website says upto 6 weeks for
processing, but I got mine back in 3 weeks. I used the homebuilders
video and followed the steps they used, highly recommended. But the
easy/cheap way to get the video is to make the donation to the list, as
we all should each year because they are such a valuable resource, and
then get the free gift, which happened to be the registration video.
Dan
N289DT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: RV-List: apply for registration
I have a registration number reserved, but haven't taken the next step -
actually applying for the registration number. I'm having a hard time
estimating how long it is going to take to get the plane finished. My
best guess is 3 to 6 months.
Suppose I apply for and get the registration complete in 90 days (FAA
says 90 - 120, though I've heard some guys claim it took them 6
months). Does the FAA care if 3 months goes by after they give me the
number before I actually get my airworthyness certificate?
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
My hanger system broke too several times. Typically the adel clamp that
attached the crimped aluminum rod to the engine mount cracked. This
happened even through I kept things as loose as possible to absorb the
vibration. So far I solved it by making the system even more flexible.
I cut the aluminum tube in half and then rejoined them with a piece of
rubber fuel line held together with small hose clamps. It seems very
loose and the exaust tips easily sway back and forth by about an inch or
two. But they are securely hung from the mount and don't fail anymore.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle Boatright
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
together.
Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only
problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the
air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the
pipes from moving laterally.
Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust
clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of
welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line,
and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally.
Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that
this system needs to be reworked.
KB
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| Subject: | oil and fuel hose maintenance? |
Is there a routine time (in years or hours) that flexible oil and fuel
lines should be replaced, for no reason other than that they have
reached a certain age?
Andy
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
Consider that the engine is vibrating and particularly at shut down it
shakes like some describe as a wet dog drying itself.
If the exhaust is attached to the engine mount without lots and lots of
give, consider what the exhaust and engine mount are doing to each
other. Something has got to give. Whatever, Can't be good for the
exhaust.
I hope you can begin to see the idea why the new Vetterman exhaust
brackets attaches the exhaust to the engine and not on the engine mount.
They want the exhaust pipes to move with the engine and not conflict
with the engine mount.
I suggest contacting Vetterman or Vans for the latest method and
attaching brackets. Indiana Larry, RV7, +150 Hrs TMX-O360
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Gold
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
My hanger system broke too several times. Typically the adel clamp
that attached the crimped aluminum rod to the engine mount cracked.
This happened even through I kept things as loose as possible to absorb
the vibration. So far I solved it by making the system even more
flexible. I cut the aluminum tube in half and then rejoined them with a
piece of rubber fuel line held together with small hose clamps. It
seems very loose and the exaust tips easily sway back and forth by about
an inch or two. But they are securely hung from the mount and don't
fail anymore.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Kyle Boatright
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
Once again, I discovered a broken exhaust component on my 160 HP -6.
Previously, I've broken the little crimped brake lines that Vetterman
provides as part of the system. I've also broken the little 1" or so
aluminum angles that you use as part of the assembly that ties the pipes
together.
Today was another failure of the little aluminum angles. The only
problem it caused was a slight rise in CHT, probably because part of the
air outlet was blocked, and obviously, there was nothing keeping the
pipes from moving laterally.
Anyway, I think I'm going to get two more of the heavy duty exhaust
clamps from Vetterman and use them, a couple of bolts, and a piece of
welding hose instead of the 2 aluminum angles, 2 pieces of brake line,
and 4 bolts that keep the pipes from moving laterally.
Anyone got a better idea? Three failures in 430 hours tells me that
this system needs to be reworked.
KB
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
I hung my exhaust pipes from firewall with a piece of rubber cut from an old
tire betweeeen two short lengths of stainless steel. Same arrangement as
Christen Eagle has. No problems in 100 hours since change.
Ollie 6A Central FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again)
>
> Larry Vetterman has a new exhaust hanger scheme which I have installed in
> my 6A (not flying yet). It uses 2 edel clamps which attach to an engine
> mount tube and support a piece of 1/8 aluminum plate. A rubber automotive
> exhaust support hangs from that and the stainless steel exhaust clamp
> hangs from the rubber support. It helped a lot with a clearance problem I
> had with the exhaust pipes.
> It's flying on a few planes now. Larry thinks it may be superior. Having
> installed his standard method first, I think it is too, but only time will
> tell. --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: oil and fuel hose maintenance? |
Andy Gold wrote:
> Is there a routine time (in years or hours) that flexible oil and
> fuel lines should be replaced, for no reason other than that they
> have reached a certain age?
>
> Andy
Andy,
I recall this topic coming up some time ago and someone said they had
read "five years in service or seven years on the shelf". I don't know
where these numbers are documented (can't find it on the Aeroquip site)
but I found the following on the Sacramento Sky Ranch site:
http://www.sacskyranch.com/h_life.htm
I replaced the oil and fuel hoses on my RV-6 last year (six years in
service) but the old hoses looked to be in perfect condition. Guess this
is an area where common sense should rule.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Quick Build Fuselage Primer? |
I'm just starting on my -8 QB Fuselage. I know it has a Wash Primer on the interior.
How good is it?
Should I and if I do a primer on it how much prep do I need to do? I guess I
should determine now if I am going to prime before I start running stuff like
the rudder cables are the first thing to do !
Thanks,
Dan
-8
Snohomish WA
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| Subject: | Re: apply for registration |
And when you register it, call it anything you want besides an "RV-XX".
Call it "(your name here) Special" or something generic. When the
state tax guy comes across your registration and asks you to pay the
sales tax (and you call it an RV-XX) ..... he'll compare your answer to
whatever info he can find on other similar registered A/C ..... and he
may dispute your answer. If the name of the plane is generic, he'll
have a hard time finding a plane to use as a basis. It's funny how the
kit identifier disappears on copies of invoices. Don't understand that
at all.
Linn
do not archive
Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>You can register it now if you want and still be fine. However, make sure
>you put everything on the registration correctly as your airworthiness must
>match it exactly. If you move, start the process to change your address and
>get a new registration right away. The address must match also.
>
>Tim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Build Fuselage Primer? |
Oh No, Not Another Primer War...........
I suspect that the primer-wash will out last most pilots/builders.
In my case, I did not do anything extra to the parts that were "primer-washed"
by the "quick-build" assembly personal. I did use rattle-can self-etching primer
on the parts that I have added to my quick-build project.
Just my two cents worth.
Dale (building a quick-build very slowly!)
95 days & 1 check-ride from retirement!!
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan <dan@rdan.com>
>Sent: Nov 26, 2006 4:54 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Quick Build Fuselage Primer?
>
>I'm just starting on my -8 QB Fuselage. I know it has a Wash Primer on the interior.
How good is it?
> Should I and if I do a primer on it how much prep do I need to do? I guess I
should determine now if I am going to prime before I start running stuff like
the rudder cables are the first thing to do !
> Thanks,
> Dan
> -8
> Snohomish WA
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: apply for registration |
Exactly...................nothing more needs to be said. The tax guys have
not idea what in the world a DO7 is. It makes a huge tax difference.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
do not archive
>From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: apply for registration
>Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:55:44 -0500
>
>
>And when you register it, call it anything you want besides an "RV-XX".
>Call it "(your name here) Special" or something generic. When the state
>tax guy comes across your registration and asks you to pay the sales tax
>(and you call it an RV-XX) ..... he'll compare your answer to whatever info
>he can find on other similar registered A/C ..... and he may dispute your
>answer. If the name of the plane is generic, he'll have a hard time
>finding a plane to use as a basis. It's funny how the kit identifier
>disappears on copies of invoices. Don't understand that at all.
>Linn
>do not archive
>
>
>Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>>
>>You can register it now if you want and still be fine. However, make sure
>>you put everything on the registration correctly as your airworthiness
>>must
>>match it exactly. If you move, start the process to change your address
>>and
>>get a new registration right away. The address must match also.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken Exhaust Hangar (Again) |
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| Subject: | Re: Searching for a self-etching primer |
Randy,
Yes, I scrubbed all my parts with Simple Green, thoroughly rinsed and scuffed
them with Scotch Brite before applying the SEM primer. After discovering the
finish coat peeling problem I went back to the local distributor for SEM and one
of the old hands there told me that I should have used an intermediate primer
over the SEM etching primer. The peeling hasn't happened everywhere (so far),
only in places where it really shows up. Fortunately I used a top coat that
is pretty close to the color of the SEM or it could be worse.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 291 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@romeolima.com>
>
> Harry, did you scuff the SEM surface first? I've used SEM on all interior
> parts and then scuffed it with Scotchbrite fairly thoroughly when it came
> time to paint. I'm not flying yet so I don't know if I'll have an adhesion
> problem but not so far.
>
> Randy Lervold
> www.rv-3.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <HCRV6@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:23 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Searching for a self-etching primer
>
> >
> > SEM self etching primer is good but a word of caution is in order. If you
> > plan to apply a finish coat over the SEM you must first lay on a coat of
> > regular primer that is compatible with the finish. If you skip this step
> > you will find that the finish coat doesen't adhere well to the SEM and the
> > top coat will eventually start to peel in places, usually the most visible
> > and obvious places. Don't bother asking me how I learned this.
> > --
> > Harry Crosby
> > RV-6 N16CX, 291 hours
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Searching for a self-etching primer |
>Yes, I scrubbed all my parts with Simple Green, thoroughly rinsed and
>scuffed them with Scotch Brite before applying the SEM primer. After
>discovering the finish coat peeling problem I went back to the local
>distributor for SEM and one of the old hands there told me that I should
>have used an intermediate primer over the SEM etching primer. The peeling
>hasn't happened everywhere (so far), only in places where it really shows
>up. Fortunately I used a top coat that is pretty close to the color of
>the SEM or it could be worse.
I have heard (unverified) that Simple Green is not good for Aluminum.
There may be a formulation that is so ask around
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | apply for registration |
And the insurance co charges triple because they don't know what a DO7 is?
Can you really have it both ways???
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Overall [mailto:bo124rs@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 7:34 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: apply for registration
>
>
> Exactly...................nothing more needs to be said. The
> tax guys have not idea what in the world a DO7 is. It makes
> a huge tax difference.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> >From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: apply for registration
> >Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:55:44 -0500
> >
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >And when you register it, call it anything you want besides
> an "RV-XX".
> >Call it "(your name here) Special" or something generic. When the
> >state tax guy comes across your registration and asks you to pay the
> >sales tax (and you call it an RV-XX) ..... he'll compare
> your answer to
> >whatever info he can find on other similar registered A/C
> ..... and he
> >may dispute your answer. If the name of the plane is generic, he'll
> >have a hard time finding a plane to use as a basis. It's
> funny how the
> >kit identifier disappears on copies of invoices. Don't
> understand that at all.
> >Linn
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >Tim Bryan wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>You can register it now if you want and still be fine.
> However, make
> >>sure you put everything on the registration correctly as your
> >>airworthiness must match it exactly. If you move, start
> the process
> >>to change your address and get a new registration right away. The
> >>address must match also.
> >>
> >>Tim
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| Subject: | Re: apply for registration |
You can have an intelligent conversation with your insurance broker. I
doubt the same thing would occur with the tax man!!!
Linn
do not archive
Larry Bowen wrote:
>
>And the insurance co charges triple because they don't know what a DO7 is?
>Can you really have it both ways???
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry@BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
>
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