---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/03/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:12 AM - Re: Long legged passenger (Kyle Boatright) 2. 07:36 AM - Re: plugging hole at rear of cylinders (Walter Tondu) 3. 07:40 AM - Re: plugging hole at rear of cylinders (Tim Bryan) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Long legged passenger (Wesley T Robinson) 5. 09:57 AM - Re: Hanging Elevators (Jim Oke) 6. 10:34 AM - Re: plugging hole at rear of cylinders (LarryRobertHelming) 7. 01:44 PM - Plugging hole at rear of cylinders (James H Nelson) 8. 01:46 PM - Plugging hole at rear of cylinders (James H Nelson) 9. 03:01 PM - Re: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders (Ron Lee) 10. 04:20 PM - Re: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders (Terry Watson) 11. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Forward vision for tail wheel pilots (Neil) 12. 10:26 PM - Clear glop/jelly appearing in your fuel system ?? (Gerry Filby) 13. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: Forward vision for tail wheel pilots (Terry Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:24 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Long legged passenger I had someone 6'3 in my RV-6 for a 6 hour out and back trip in one day. He didn't have any problems. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Long legged passenger > > Smitty, > What model are you building? > Charlie Kuss > > > ---- Smitty wrote: >> >> One of long legged buddies asked me if he was going to fit in my RV when >> I >> get it built. Since I haven't gotten that far yet I didn't know what to >> tell >> him. How "adjustable" are the seats and/or rudder pedals? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Smitty >> http://SmittysRV.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:34 AM PST US From: Walter Tondu Subject: Re: RV-List: plugging hole at rear of cylinders Fill all those gaps with red RTV. -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying! http://www.evorocket.com - Building ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:24 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: plugging hole at rear of cylinders Hi Charlie, It is almost impossible to get to this spot without removing stuff. I suspect it would have been difficult to do when building the baffles in the first place, but would have been possible. I would like to just squirt some silicone in there, but I think the opening is too big for it to stay put. Possibly I could get some duct tape on the bottom of it, fill it with silicone and removing the tape after it sets up. I was wondering if it made sense to stuff something in there to close it up but feel it is a little too hokey for me. Surely I am not alone on this. Maybe this hole is insignificant with regards to cooling, but it is the biggest hole in my upper pressure area. With cylinder head temps well above 400 degrees in the winter, I need to find something to change. Thanks Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:33 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: plugging hole at rear of cylinders > > > Tim Bryan wrote: > > > > > > >Hi Listers, > > > >I have mentioned about my high CHT's and got lots of replies. I am > working > >on the front area around the inlets and upper ramps based on those > replies. > >However, I found something else to be addressed. At the back side of > >cylinder #3 right next to the case where the back baffle is. There is a > >hole that goes straight down not where the fins are but where the #3 > >cylinder is bolted to the case. It looks like there is a tab on the > bottom > >of the rear baffle metal that was to be bent up. I can't bend this now > >because it contacts the case and much work to remove the whole thing for > >trimming. > > > >There is another hole on the other side next to cylinder #2. It looks > like > >it might be too big to just use silicone in there, what are other > options? > >What have others done in this area? > > > >Thanks > >Tim Bryan > >RV-6 > >0-360 A1A > > > > Can you cut an oversize 'doubler' that will extend far enough to fill > the gap? Pop rivet to the existing baffle material. > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:41 AM PST US From: "Wesley T Robinson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Long legged passenger I have an RV-9A and am 6'6" and have done six straight with no problems. Wesley T Robinson WR Consulting www.wtrconsulting.net EAA 731 Web/Newsletter Editor 'The Red Baron' RV-9A N224WR -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Long legged passenger --> I had someone 6'3 in my RV-6 for a 6 hour out and back trip in one day. He didn't have any problems. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Long legged passenger > > Smitty, > What model are you building? > Charlie Kuss > > > ---- Smitty wrote: >> >> One of long legged buddies asked me if he was going to fit in my RV when >> I >> get it built. Since I haven't gotten that far yet I didn't know what to >> tell >> him. How "adjustable" are the seats and/or rudder pedals? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Smitty >> http://SmittysRV.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:15 AM PST US From: Jim Oke Subject: Re: RV-List: Hanging Elevators Hi; The "notch" for the elevator balance horns which is cut in the horizontal stab skins is intentionally made undersize so some "trim to fit" is necessary to provide clearance for the counterbalance weights. Having said this, a full 15/16" overlap seems rather excessive. Are your elevator counterbalance horns per the plans? The forward dimension is larger controlled by the E-713 skin pieces. I hope I am not pointing out the obvious but the counterbalance weights do nest inside the skins and are not bolted on the front of the E-713 skins. The attached photo is of an RV-6 which uses a similar elevator counterbalance arm arrangement and shows the typical "trim needed" situation. Jim Oke Winnipeg, MB RV-6A C-GKGZ Bill Settle wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > I'm doing the initial fit of the elevators to the horizontal on my -8. The instructions say to ensure the elevators swing freely with no interference... Both elevators' counterbalance arms extend forward into the horizontal skins 15/16" and I cannot figure out why. I have rechecked the rod bearing centerline measurement to the spar and have exactly 13/16" as per the plans. I saw on Dan's site that he had to trim the right skin to allow the right elevator to swing, so I am tempted to do the same. However, I'm concerned that if mine are too far forward that I won't be able to get the elevators to balance. Any insight would be appreciated. > > Bill Settle > Winston-Salem, NC > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:55 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: plugging hole at rear of cylinders Dear Tim: Sorry I don't have an answer for an easier fix. The correct long term fix -- as painful and time consuming as it may seem to be -- is to remove the baffling, make the bend(s) to eliminate the hole so you can get good cooling and put it back together. Probably a day's or two task at most. Filling a large hole with RTV or some other non metal material will be subject to deterioration over time with the heat and vibration going on in the engine area. Best wishes. Indiana Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: plugging hole at rear of cylinders > > Hi Charlie, > > It is almost impossible to get to this spot without removing stuff. I > suspect it would have been difficult to do when building the baffles in > the > first place, but would have been possible. I would like to just squirt > some > silicone in there, but I think the opening is too big for it to stay put. > Possibly I could get some duct tape on the bottom of it, fill it with > silicone and removing the tape after it sets up. > > I was wondering if it made sense to stuff something in there to close it > up > but feel it is a little too hokey for me. Surely I am not alone on this. > Maybe this hole is insignificant with regards to cooling, but it is the > biggest hole in my upper pressure area. With cylinder head temps well > above > 400 degrees in the winter, I need to find something to change. > > Thanks > Tim > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:20 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders From: James H Nelson Hey Walter There is a new high temp RTV from Permatex. Its Grey in color and matches my primer on my baffles. It has the same high temp rating of the red stuff. This way it doesn't look bad when you apply it around the gaps. It blends in nicely. Check your auto supply store as they have a grey and a black and I believe they both are now high temp. The "Ultra Grey" (p/n 82194 or 599BR) is rated for 625 deg F. I found the gap on my #3 cyl. before I RTV'd it in place. I tried to look around every nook and cranny to fine out where air could bypass. I also found out the spacer / bolt that holds the rear baffle on the #4 cyl side also had to be RTV'd. I however had it done when I found that area. So I got our a long stemmed flat screw driver and put little dabs of RTV on it and placed it down in the area to fill it up and stop as much gap as I could. Jim Nelson RV9-A FWF ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:32 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders From: James H Nelson Tim, Also don't forget to close off the area under the "upper" fiber glass inserts that we glass in on the upper cowl. Air can bypass from the pressure area over into the low pressure area of the cowl. Jim Nelson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:16 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders > > Also don't forget to close off the area under the "upper" fiber >glass inserts that we glass in on the upper cowl. Air can bypass from >the pressure area over into the low pressure area of the cowl. I checked this on mine (RV-6A, O-360)and see no way that air can move from the high pressure to low pressure side. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:01 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders I think this depends on exactly how you do the baffle seals at the front of the engine. With mine it was obvious that it was going to be a huge leak of pressure, so I glassed off one end of the inserts. I then looked at a friends very similar setup, but he did the seals differently and sealing the ends of the insert wasn't necessary. Terry RV-8A Aerosport Power O-360-B1B 180 hp -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Plugging hole at rear of cylinders > > Also don't forget to close off the area under the "upper" fiber >glass inserts that we glass in on the upper cowl. Air can bypass from >the pressure area over into the low pressure area of the cowl. I checked this on mine (RV-6A, O-360)and see no way that air can move from the high pressure to low pressure side. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:12 PM PST US From: "Neil" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Forward vision for tail wheel pilots Here's a set up that looks pretty good and has some good reviews from motorcycle road racers (of which I am one) for rear view use. Unfortunately it's about 600 bucks for the camera and monitor. www.themotocam.com _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: Forward vision for tail wheel pilots Terry, I found the post interesting because I have been looking for a small screen TV monitor for a special instrument project. If it will display a standard TV formatted video signal (NTSV?), then I would like to display various things like trim and flap positions and digital tach, and some other things I can't think of right now. I know how to use old Motorola microprocessor chips to do those things. Would love to feed video to my GPS 295 if anyone knows how. Would probably have to be hacked to get the source code. Garmin wouldn't like that! Does someone on the list know of a small (2 or 3 inch) color monitor that could be used for above project? Did the $100 combo have a color monitor? Dan Hopper RV-7A Oh, do not archive . In a message dated 12/2/2006 3:22:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, terry@tcwatson.com writes: OK, I move that Michael be excused from any mandatory requirement that this group adopts to require all tailwheel RV's to have video monitoring of anything. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:25 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Clear glop/jelly appearing in your fuel system ?? From: Gerry Filby .. this was a recent thread about a clear gelatinous substance appearing someone's fuel filters ?? Did you ever figure out what it was ? Today I was calibrating the fuel gauges on my RV-9, endless pouring of 2 gallon increments ... etc, you know the drill. And then I started to notice this clear jelly deposit collecting around the the stem of the funnel .. very strange .. if you put a chunk of it to one side it would gradually evaporate ... I can only imagine that its some part of the fuel that evaporates at a different rate ... ? This fuel came straight from the self-serve tank at KHAF. Did you ever figure out what the deal was ? __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:56 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Forward vision for tail wheel pilots Mickey, Dan, anyone else who is interested: I did buy and install the little video camera & screen from Costco for $90.00. I put it on my pickup as a back-up assist. The quality seems just fine, and installation was especially easy, except for the crimp-on wire taps that cut my truck's wiring and I had to take the gizmos off and solder things back together. The camera is in a plastic bracket that doubles as the top or bottom half of a license plate frame. The wire comes out of that and hooks into the back-up light circuit for the vehicle, so the camera is only powered when the back-up lights are, or typically when the vehicle is in reverse. The wire is also the broadcast antenna for the camera so it has a tag on it telling you not to cut it off shorter than the location of the tag. The receiver has a cigarette lighter plug or a hard wired cord; both are in the box. There is a swivel holder for the screen and Velcro self-stick pads to fasten either the swivel holder or the screen by itself to the vehicle. It works on the same frequency as some cordless phones. I think I picked up a stores security camera picture on the screen at one intersection I went through tonight. I doubt that this would be a problem for anyone. I just hadn't turned off the screen to see if it would pick up anything. It did. I measured the little molded plastic box that the screen is mounted in but forgot to write the dimensions down. If anyone needs it, I can go measure it again and write it down this time. I think it was 3+" wide by 2+" tall by 7/8" thick; very light weight. The specs say the screen is 1-1/2". A bigger screen in a smaller box would be better, of course, but this isn't bad, and it's a clean design. You won't want to mount it too far away from your eyes. The one concern I would have for it as the forward vision for a tail wheel aircraft is that the camera lens is quite wide angle. This is great for a back-up assist, but it might be too wide-angle for that blind spot some of us are worried about. It would be very hard to judge distance by looking at the screen, but I doubt if you would want to use it for that much precision anyway. The screen is in color and the image is quite clear but distorted as through a fish-eye lens. Interference from other electronics MIGHT be a problem; I don't know. As for it causing problems with your avionics, just turning off the camera and receiver would be easy and should solve that. The whole system must weigh much less than a pound; it's quite light but I didn't weigh it. One very helpful feature of the receiver is that you have four possibilities for the picture; right side up mirror image; right side up straight image; upside down mirror image, or upside down not mirrored. You sequence through the four settings with the only control button besides the power button. This means that you could either install it as a back-up assist as I did and set it so it reads like you were looking in a mirror, or as a forward view enhancer without having to mentally interpolate what you are seeing. I'm sure some will find lots of uses for this gadget or variations of the concept. If this one serves your purpose, it is a well thought out and manufactured system for an attractive price. For the record: Manufacturer is VR3, model number is VRBCS300W. Costco has it for $90; Wal-Mart for about $100. On line it's advertised for up to $170. Terry > I think I have convinced myself to buy one for my pickup. Gee, it even > says it's made for RV's! Terry, Please let us know how it works. It sounds like an excellent safety enhancer. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.