RV-List Digest Archive

Thu 12/14/06


Total Messages Posted: 37



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:07 AM - Re: magneto basics (Dale Ensing)
     2. 04:35 AM - Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (glen matejcek)
     3. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Tim Bryan)
     4. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Bob)
     5. 06:53 AM - Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Jim Oke)
     6. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (LessDragProd@aol.com)
     7. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (LessDragProd@aol.com)
     8. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Tim Bryan)
     9. 07:48 AM - RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) (Condon, Philip M.)
    10. 08:26 AM - Re: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) (Tim Bryan)
    11. 08:42 AM - Re: SL15 Intercom problem (Tim Bryan)
    12. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Skylor Piper)
    13. 09:23 AM - GNS480 installation manual (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
    14. 09:33 AM - Re: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    15. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Terry Watson)
    16. 10:17 AM - Re: GNS480 installation manual (Brian Meyette)
    17. 10:55 AM - Re: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) (Chuck Jensen)
    18. 11:20 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 12/11/06 (PSPRV6A@aol.com)
    19. 11:28 AM - Re: GNS480 installation manual (Brian Meyette)
    20. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Ron Lee)
    21. 12:02 PM - Re: GNS480 installation manual (Brian Meyette)
    22. 12:16 PM - Re: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta))
    23. 12:46 PM - Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (SCOTT SPENCER)
    24. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: Chutes in the RV-4 (Terry Watson)
    25. 03:39 PM - Re: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) (LarryRobertHelming)
    26. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: What's Up with Aircraft Spruce? (Bob)
    27. 04:19 PM - Re: magneto basics (Dan Checkoway)
    28. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: What's Up with Aircraft Spruce? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    29. 04:41 PM - Re: GNS480 installation manual (Mike Kraus)
    30. 05:47 PM - Re: Chutes in the RV-4 ()
    31. 06:54 PM - CHT probe mounting (sarg314)
    32. 06:54 PM - Garmin 296 Breaker size (BillRVSIX@aol.com)
    33. 06:56 PM - Re: GNS480 installation manual (Brad Templin)
    34. 07:10 PM - Re: RV-4 F-416 cockpit rail/F-423 side skin junction question. (HalBenjamin@aol.com)
    35. 07:18 PM - Re: CHT probe mounting (Tim Bryan)
    36. 07:32 PM - Re: RV-4 F-416 cockpit rail/F-423 side skin junction question. (tomvelvick)
    37. 08:07 PM - Re: Garmin 296 Breaker size (Mike Kraus)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:07:49 AM PST US
    From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: magneto basics
    Tom. Try starting at this page. http://www.unisonindustries.com/ourproducts/pistonignition.html Dale Ensing > > I need to see a labeled picture of a magneto so I can tell which port is > which. An exploded diagram would be nice too. Does any one know where > I can find such a thing. Surprisingly, I have been unable to find a web > page for Slick. > > Thanks, > ----- > Tom sargent, RV-6A > > > >


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    Time: 04:35:47 AM PST US
    From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    Hi Bruce- >If so what brand/type did you use? Also what type canopy holder did you have? I don't have a -4, but I do still have connections to the skydiving world, including a friend who had to bail at close to 200'. He's fine, even though the canopy didn't have a chance to open much. He was using a softie from Para-Phernalia based upon the recommendation of another friend who was a long time jumper and still is a rigger. Guess what kind of rigs we have now? Especially since they do custom work, and I'm 6' 5". Also, aside from being a very satisfied customer, I have no interest in their business. Check them out, give them a call. Ask for Dan Tarasievich, and tell him I sent you. (We chat at OSH each year...) http://www.softieparachutes.com Para-Phernalia, Inc. Toll Free: 800-877-9584 International: 360-435-7220 Fax: 360-435-7272 e-mail: info@softieparachutes.com Mailing Address P.O. Box 3468 Arlington, WA 98223-3468 Street Address 19018 59th Dr. NE, Unit # 2 Arlington, WA 98223 glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net


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    Time: 04:59:18 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not just sitting on the ground. Then add the possible motion that causes you to need to get out. Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything? Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Lukasczyk > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:54 AM > To: RV-List@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: RE: Chutes in the RV-4 > > > Hi Bruce > > There are only a few parachutes that fit into the RV-4. > The problem is (as always) the limited cockpit-space. > Most of the parachutes available will push you too far forward and the > ones with the seat-cushions are usually to big to fit between the seat and > the spar. There is a chute that has been especially designed for the RV-4, > though. > > here is the link > > http://www.strongparachutes.com/Pages/paracushion_304.htm > > I got it an I do highly recommend it > > Happy landings > > http://www.rv-4.de/ > > Thomas, RV-4 > > > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > >


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    Time: 06:21:08 AM PST US
    From: Bob <panamared5@brier.net>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    >It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not >just sitting on the ground. Then add the possible motion that causes you to >need to get out. Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything? I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to open the canopy in flight and was unable to do so. I mentioned this to another pilot, that if I had to bail out I wasn't sure I could get out. His response was pretty simple: "It all depends on how motivated you are!" As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA Arlington Flyin had a cockpit fire and he jumped out, but without a parachute. I may have my facts wrong, some one on the list who knows for sure should be able to confirm or correct me. Bob


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    Time: 06:53:36 AM PST US
    From: Jim Oke <wjoke@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Chutes in the RV-4
    I wore a Security 150 parachute during the early testing stages of my RV-3 - as much for simple seating comfort as anything because I didn't have the seat cushion arrangements fully completed. The -3 has a similar cockpit to the -4 in terms of size, space, control stick positioning, etc. The Security 150 is no longer available (as far as I know) so some similar alternative will have to be found. Check at your local glider flying airfields and you may be able to simply borrow something suitable for a few flights as the chutes used in modern sailplanes tend to be contour shaped thin packs. Have a look at <http://wingsandwheels.com/page39.htm> for instance. (My own Security 150 is more usually used when I am flying my ASW-20 sailplane - another quite elegant flying creation.) Jim Oke Wpg MB RV-3 C-FIZM ASW-20 C-GPON Bruce Bell wrote: > > RV-4 Drivers > Anyone of you used a parachute doing the stall series in your bird? If > so what brand/type did you use? Also what type canopy holder did you > have? > Happy Holidays to All! > Bruce Bell > Lubbock, Texas > RV-4 15+ hours > >


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    Time: 06:57:44 AM PST US
    From: LessDragProd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    Hi All, How disappointing to hear about the limited cockpit space in the RV-4. I was looking forward to the extra room when I get my RV-4 is finished. :-) Jim Ayers RV-3 with long softy parachute RV-4 structural completed - 90% to go In a message dated 12/13/2006 11:58:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, Lukasczyk@gmx.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "Thomas Lukasczyk" <Lukasczyk@gmx.net> Hi Bruce There are only a few parachutes that fit into the RV-4. The problem is (as always) the limited cockpit-space. Most of the parachutes available will push you too far forward and the ones with the seat-cushions are usually to big to fit between the seat and the spar. There is a chute that has been especially designed for the RV-4, though. here is the link http://www.strongparachutes.com/Pages/paracushion_304.htm I got it an I do highly recommend it Happy landings http://www.rv-4.de/ Thomas, RV-4


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    Time: 07:04:10 AM PST US
    From: LessDragProd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    I believe you are addressing an RV-4 incident. I understand that the RV-4 side hinged canopy wants to open by itself. And it is designed to separate from the airframe when opened. Jim Ayers In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:25:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, panamared5@brier.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Bob <panamared5@brier.net> >It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not >just sitting on the ground. Then add the possible motion that causes you to >need to get out. Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything? I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to open the canopy in flight and was unable to do so. I mentioned this to another pilot, that if I had to bail out I wasn't sure I could get out. His response was pretty simple: "It all depends on how motivated you are!" As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA Arlington Flyin had a cockpit fire and he jumped out, but without a parachute. I may have my facts wrong, some one on the list who knows for sure should be able to confirm or correct me. Bob


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    Time: 07:24:47 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    Jim, Don't take this out of context. I was only referring to exiting when the plane is in motion. I get in and out of my -6 just fine, and feel totally comfortable in there. If I need to turn around to set my oxygen or anything while flying the plane is all over the place. I was trying to imagine trying to exit the plane with it flying out of control and the wind coming in (no canopy). This would have to be a crazy moment. Of course it already was if I am trying to get out while airborne. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Chutes in the RV-4 Hi All, How disappointing to hear about the limited cockpit space in the RV-4. I was looking forward to the extra room when I get my RV-4 is finished. :-) Jim Ayers RV-3 with long softy parachute RV-4 structural completed - 90% to go In a message dated 12/13/2006 11:58:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, Lukasczyk@gmx.net writes: Hi Bruce There are only a few parachutes that fit into the RV-4. The problem is (as always) the limited cockpit-space. Most of the parachutes available will push you too far forward and the ones with the seat-cushions are usually to big to fit between the seat and the spar. There is a chute that has been especially designed for the RV-4, though. here is the link http://www.strongparachutes.com/Pages/paracushion_304.htm I got it an I do highly recommend it Happy landings http://www.rv-4.de/ Thomas, RV-4


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    Time: 07:48:33 AM PST US
    Subject: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce)
    From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
    Wrong...this is the real issue. The encryption (little lock symbol) you mention is the protection of the little strings or packets of data as they run around the internet (Servers, switches, routers, concentrators) Once this sensitive data arrives at the end user (AC Spruce), there is NO or very little protection of it. Backup files get lost, computer files get lost with sensitive data (credit card numbers), laptops get stolen, or misplaced or the hard drives get replaced and not destroyed.....Hackers can also get this data. However, even when calling up on the phone and giving your credit card number to the human operator, she/he types it into a computer which brings us right back to the above exposures. It's a loss-loss scenario for the consumer as usual. ".............. When submitting any sensitive data on a computer, be sure the lock symbol is showing down on the security line bar to know your data is being encrypted. I believe that is the critical issue."


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    Time: 08:26:31 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce)
    We have to be pretty numb to this as well as cautious. I would rather enter it into a secure site than give it over the phone to some employee I don't know. There have been many cases of employees keeping copies of these numbers. Once when I was at Van's I saw somebody's order clipped to a clipboard hanging on the wall in the warehouse. Yes, it had their credit card number and expiration as well as the name on it right in plain site. I understand this practice has changed. How about the airline industry? They care a lot about your bags not being out of your control before you check in. But, when you get off the plane the go around on a conveyor belt for anybody to pick up. If you miss your flight, they go around for a while before somebody removes it for "Secure" storage. We do the best we can, but we are still pretty much at risk everyday. Watch for the lock and then just pay attention to your statements, credit report, etc. Best I have figured out how to deal with it. Do Not Archive Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condon, Philip M. > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:46 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) > > > Wrong...this is the real issue. The encryption (little lock symbol) you > mention is the protection of the little strings or packets of data as > they run around the internet (Servers, switches, routers, > concentrators) Once this sensitive data arrives at the end user (AC > Spruce), there is NO or very little protection of it. Backup files get > lost, computer files get lost with sensitive data (credit card > numbers), laptops get stolen, or misplaced or the hard drives get > replaced and not destroyed.....Hackers can also get this data. > However, even when calling up on the phone and giving your credit card > number to the human operator, she/he types it into a computer which > brings us right back to the above exposures. It's a loss-loss scenario > for the consumer as usual. > > > > ".............. When submitting any sensitive > data on a computer, be sure the lock symbol is showing down on the > security line bar to know your data is being encrypted. I believe that > > is the critical issue." > > > >


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    Time: 08:42:59 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: SL15 Intercom problem
    Any avionics gurus on this list before I go to a avionics shop next week? Do Not Archive Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: RV-List: SL15 Intercom problem Hi folks, I have finally got around to having two people in my airplane with headsets on. I have no intercom at all. I have the SL15M with jacks wired to the panel. There are two PTT buttons wired off the jacks. One is on the panel (co-pilot) the other on the stick for the pilot. My headsets are Bose. There is no side tone in the headset unless you press the PTT button. I am reading something in the SL15 installation book about when the PTT are installed between the jack and the headset where it would need to be modified. I am not real good at this stuff, so not sure what is going on. Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. Tim RV-6 N616TB


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    Time: 08:48:15 AM PST US
    From: Skylor Piper <skylor4@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    This was actually an RV-8. Von Alexander. Here's the NTSB link: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 001212X19358&key=1 Skylor Do Not Archive --- LessDragProd@aol.com wrote: > > I believe you are addressing an RV-4 incident. > I understand that the RV-4 side hinged canopy wants > to open by itself. And > it is designed to separate from the airframe when > opened. > > Jim Ayers > > In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:25:45 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > panamared5@brier.net writes: > > --> RV-List message posted by: Bob > <panamared5@brier.net> > > > >It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of > my plane while it is not > >just sitting on the ground. Then add the possible > motion that causes you to > >need to get out. Has anybody done this in an RV > series of anything? > > I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to > open the canopy in flight > and was unable to do so. I mentioned this to > another pilot, that if I had > to bail out I wasn't sure I could get out. > > His response was pretty simple: "It all depends on > how motivated you are!" > > As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA > Arlington Flyin had a cockpit > fire and he jumped out, but without a parachute. I > may have my facts > wrong, some one on the list who knows for sure > should be able to confirm or > correct me. > > Bob > > > > > Cheap talk?


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    Time: 09:23:22 AM PST US
    Subject: GNS480 installation manual
    From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" <Fred.Stucklen@UTCPower.com>
    Does anyone have a .PDF version of the GNS480 installation manual? I've tried the Garmin site without success.... And there doesn't seem To be anything in the archives.... Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV (Reserved)


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    Time: 09:33:49 AM PST US
    Subject: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce)
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    This is just another form of risk management. Everyone has their own comfort levels on data security and you are both absolutely correct. But I wouldn't just issue a blanket statement that there is NO protection of data when it reaches its destination. Every company does things differently and no one has figured out how to do it 100% correctly. There are plenty of encryption techniques that are nearly unbreakable but the human part of the equation is what usually breaks. When I was in Kuala Lumpur I had my check card double swiped at a shopping mall. By the next day I had several charges show up for purchases in Japan. Prior to making this trip, and knowing I would be there for several months, I opened an additional checking account that had no access to any of my other accounts. I would transfer funds into it when needed and knew that if anyone did get the card number they wouldn't go far and couldn't get to my main accounts. So back to the double swipe. The next morning I noticed the charges, while they were still pending, because I would check for anything unusual when I was out using it in less than perfect locations. I called my bank who promptly marked the card as stolen, reversed the charges, and overnighted a new check card to me from their Asia banks. Relatively painless and no real skin off my back for the trouble. Funny thing is the bank has very aggressive fraud algorithms that would routinely shut my card off for going to places like Home Depot but they never caught this, I did. So do what you are comfortable with and everyone needs to keep their own eyes on their bank activities and credit reports because no one else will. I would personally worry more about who all has your SS number because identity theft is a whole lot harder to stop and reverse than some charges on your CC. Michael Sausen Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) We have to be pretty numb to this as well as cautious. I would rather enter it into a secure site than give it over the phone to some employee I don't know. There have been many cases of employees keeping copies of these numbers. Once when I was at Van's I saw somebody's order clipped to a clipboard hanging on the wall in the warehouse. Yes, it had their credit card number and expiration as well as the name on it right in plain site. I understand this practice has changed. How about the airline industry? They care a lot about your bags not being out of your control before you check in. But, when you get off the plane the go around on a conveyor belt for anybody to pick up. If you miss your flight, they go around for a while before somebody removes it for "Secure" storage. We do the best we can, but we are still pretty much at risk everyday. Watch for the lock and then just pay attention to your statements, credit report, etc. Best I have figured out how to deal with it. Do Not Archive Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condon, Philip M. > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:46 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) > > > Wrong...this is the real issue. The encryption (little lock symbol) you > mention is the protection of the little strings or packets of data as > they run around the internet (Servers, switches, routers, > concentrators) Once this sensitive data arrives at the end user (AC > Spruce), there is NO or very little protection of it. Backup files get > lost, computer files get lost with sensitive data (credit card > numbers), laptops get stolen, or misplaced or the hard drives get > replaced and not destroyed.....Hackers can also get this data. > However, even when calling up on the phone and giving your credit card > number to the human operator, she/he types it into a computer which > brings us right back to the above exposures. It's a loss-loss scenario > for the consumer as usual. > > > > ".............. When submitting any sensitive > data on a computer, be sure the lock symbol is showing down on the > security line bar to know your data is being encrypted. I believe that > > is the critical issue." > > > >


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    Time: 10:08:07 AM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    No, he had it right. It was an RV-8 that had just won a craftsmanship award at Arlington. He did make it out of the airplane. It's not completely clear, but I think he had installed quick-release pins at the front canopy track rollers. He had asked about and discussed getting out of his RV-8 in flight on this list while bulding. That the week we lost two RV list members at or going home from Arlington. The other was the take-off accident and fire that killed a new RV-6A owner. Terry _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Chutes in the RV-4 I believe you are addressing an RV-4 incident. I understand that the RV-4 side hinged canopy wants to open by itself. And it is designed to separate from the airframe when opened. Jim Ayers In a message dated 12/14/2006 6:25:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, panamared5@brier.net writes: >It is really hard for me to imagine getting out of my plane while it is not >just sitting on the ground. Then add the possible motion that causes you to >need to get out. Has anybody done this in an RV series of anything? I fly an RV6 with a slider, and I have tried to open the canopy in flight and was unable to do so. I mentioned this to another pilot, that if I had to bail out I wasn't sure I could get out. His response was pretty simple: "It all depends on how motivated you are!" As I recall a pilot flying home from the EAA Arlington Flyin had a cockpit fire and he jumped out, but without a parachute. I may have my facts wrong, some one on the list who knows for sure should be able to confirm or correct me. Bob


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    Time: 10:17:12 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2@starband.net>
    Subject: GNS480 installation manual
    Garmin seems to be a bit tight on making the manuals available. Here is one good place: http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/howtogetagarminmanual.htm there are some others around if that one no longer works brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RV-List: GNS480 installation manual Does anyone have a .PDF version of the GNS480 installation manual? I've tried the Garmin site without success. And there doesn't seem To be anything in the archives. Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV (Reserved) <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> -- 6:13 PM


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    Time: 10:55:21 AM PST US
    Subject: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce)
    From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
    Rather than credit card theft, as big, or bigger threat to your treasury is use of debit cards. With credit cards, if they are stolen, your loss is limited to the first $50, and in most instances, that's forgiven as well. In short, the bank is on the hook, save for some hassles on your part. No so with a debit card. Anyone gaining control a debit card has full access your account and clean it out...and you have no recourse. If debit cards are used, you should open a separate bank account and keep only limited funds in it to limit the loss if the debit card is lost. You wouldn't want the debit card tied to your primary check account which has lots of money in it.....though this probably does not apply to anyone that owns an airplane!!! Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive


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    Time: 11:20:41 AM PST US
    From: PSPRV6A@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RV-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 12/11/06
    Tapping flap push rods: Anyone in the area of Minnetonka Minnesota is welcome to bring their push rods here for drilling/tapping. I have good taps and drills and a 13X36 metal lathe plus the needed black oil. With the right tools, the job is child's play. It may cost you a cup of coffee at the nearby coffee shop! Paul S. Petersen, 3523 Arbor Lane, Minnetonka MN 55305 PSPRV6A@aol.com (building RV6A with son Eric, 95% done, 50% to go!)


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    Time: 11:28:19 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2@starband.net>
    Subject: GNS480 installation manual
    Also, here is more info from similar questions asked on other lists: This site is generally helpful http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/howtogetagarminmanual.htm. GMA340 is at http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GMA340AudioPanel_InstallationManual.pdf GNS430 http://www.garmin.com/manuals/143_InstallationManual.pdf GTX330 http://www.garmin.com/manuals/GTX330Transponder_InstallationManual.pdf Try this: http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/Downloads/howtogetagarminmanual.htm Or that : http://contrails.free.fr/gps_manuels.php Dan Checkoway's RV-7 Project is a good place to look: http://www.rvproject.com/garmin/ john Try Stark Avionics. They have most of them on PDF and may e-mail you one Don I dont know why Garmin makes it so difficult to find their manuals, but I hope this helps. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RV-List: GNS480 installation manual Does anyone have a .PDF version of the GNS480 installation manual? I've tried the Garmin site without success. And there doesn't seem To be anything in the archives. Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV (Reserved) <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> -- 6:13 PM


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    Time: 11:50:38 AM PST US
    From: Ron Lee <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    At 11:05 AM 12/14/2006, you wrote: >No, he had it right. It was an RV-8 that had just won a craftsmanship >award at Arlington. He did make it out of the airplane. It's not >completely clear, but I think he had installed quick-release pins at the >front canopy track rollers. He had asked about and discussed getting out >of his RV-8 in flight on this list while bulding. That the week we lost >two RV list members at or going home from Arlington. The other was the >take-off accident and fire that killed a new RV-6A owner. > >Terry > Was the 6A accident a first flight or a new owner who had no time in a 6A? There is no excuse for not getting time in an RV before you fly your own. Ron Lee


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    Time: 12:02:46 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2@starband.net>
    Subject: GNS480 installation manual
    Yeah here you go, from Dan Checkoways site: http://rvimg.com/garmin/CNX80IntegratedAvionicsSystem_InstallationManual.pdf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RV-List: GNS480 installation manual Does anyone have a .PDF version of the GNS480 installation manual? I've tried the Garmin site without success. And there doesn't seem To be anything in the archives. Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV (Reserved) <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> -- 6:13 PM


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    Time: 12:16:07 PM PST US
    Subject: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce)
    From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mike.stewart@us.ibm.com>
    The statements below are essentially true. Welcome to my day job. Best, Mike Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condon, Philip M. Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: RV-List: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce) Wrong...this is the real issue. The encryption (little lock symbol) you mention is the protection of the little strings or packets of data as they run around the internet (Servers, switches, routers, concentrators) Once this sensitive data arrives at the end user (AC Spruce), there is NO or very little protection of it. Backup files get lost, computer files get lost with sensitive data (credit card numbers), laptops get stolen, or misplaced or the hard drives get replaced and not destroyed.....Hackers can also get this data. However, even when calling up on the phone and giving your credit card number to the human operator, she/he types it into a computer which brings us right back to the above exposures. It's a loss-loss scenario for the consumer as usual. ".............. When submitting any sensitive data on a computer, be sure the lock symbol is showing down on the security line bar to know your data is being encrypted. I believe that is the critical issue."


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    Time: 12:46:53 PM PST US
    From: SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    >>>>>>http://www.rv-4.de/ Thomas, RV-4 Great Site Thomas! Really enjoyed looking through it. Videos are great! Scott RV-4 N4ZW do not archive


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    Time: 01:11:50 PM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: RE: Chutes in the RV-4
    No, it wasn't his first flight. Don Corbit (I hope I spelled his name right) had bought the plane maybe a week or two earlier and had flown it all over the state in that time. He was scheduled for transition training the weekend after Arlington. I recall that he was hurrying to get off the airport before the runway closed for the air show. There was some speculation that he hadn't made sure the stick was free during a rushed preflight, since he entered a very steep climb right after takeoff. Others on the list, most likely Jerry Springer, might have more first-hand knowledge of the circumstances. Don was a very bright and capable guy. At 38, he was a retired Microsoft millionaire and had four little kids. I met him and rode with him a few weeks earlier when he rented a Cessna 182 and made his first instrument flight after getting his ticket, flying from Seattle's Boeing Field to the fly-in at Scappoose, Oregon, where he got his first RV ride. My photo of Don with his huge RV grin was likely one of the last taken of him. The whole sad story is in the RV list archives. We lost more than most realize when we lost Don. He spent most of his time at Scappoose talking to RV pilots about what they would want in electronic instrumentation in their airplanes. Don was a software guy and I think his wife was (is) an electrical engineer. They had ideas and the money and brainpower - and the ambition to make them work. Terry _____ <snip> Was the 6A accident a first flight or a new owner who had no time in a 6A? There is no excuse for not getting time in an RV before you fly your own. Ron Lee


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    Time: 03:39:27 PM PST US
    From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
    Subject: Re: RV List Privacy ( Was Ordering from AC Spruce)
    I might suggest that with this level of sensitivity to the issue that dealing in cash only with the merchant eyeball to eyeball across the counter from you is the more comfortable option. Larry in Indiana do not archive ----- Original Message ----- > > Wrong...this is the real issue. The encryption (little lock symbol) you > mention is the protection of the little strings or packets of data as > they run around the internet (Servers, switches, routers, > concentrators) Once this sensitive data arrives at the end user (AC > Spruce), there is NO or very little protection of it. Backup files get > lost, computer files get lost with sensitive data (credit card > numbers), laptops get stolen, or misplaced or the hard drives get > replaced and not destroyed.....Hackers can also get this data. > However, even when calling up on the phone and giving your credit card > number to the human operator, she/he types it into a computer which > brings us right back to the above exposures. It's a loss-loss scenario > for the consumer as usual. > > > ".............. When submitting any sensitive > data on a computer, be sure the lock symbol is showing down on the > security line bar to know your data is being encrypted. I believe that > > is the critical issue." > > >


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    Time: 03:53:56 PM PST US
    From: Bob <panamared5@brier.net>
    Subject: Re: What's Up with Aircraft Spruce?
    > >This is an issue that we at Aircraft Technical Book Company (Builder's >Bookstore) have discussed many times. > >2] There is often a perception of mistrust by customers concerned about >identity theft or having their personal information stored in the vender's >systems, and potentially sold; again pushing the customer to shop elsewhere. I have no mistrust about it, I fully trust that the company will sell my personal information. That is why I get up to 1000 email ads a day. I agree with all the rest that Andy Gold stated. I have seldom experienced any convenience with e-commerce systems that require a password and log in, as I can never figure out what my password is for that account. Bob


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    Time: 04:19:51 PM PST US
    From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
    Subject: Re: magneto basics
    Aircraft Spruce's catalog. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1150+ hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:42 PM Subject: RV-List: magneto basics > > I need to see a labeled picture of a magneto so I can tell which port is > which. An exploded diagram would be nice too. Does any one know where > I can find such a thing. Surprisingly, I have been unable to find a web > page for Slick. > > Thanks, > ----- > Tom sargent, RV-6A > > > > >


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    Time: 04:40:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What's Up with Aircraft Spruce?
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Actually, you get 1000 email ad's a day because you subscribe to a publicly accessible mailing list. :-) Just to give you an example, the email address I created two years ago to subscribe to these lists receives about 100 pieces of SPAM a day after my email filters are done. I have never used this address for anything but posting here. My personal address that I have had for about 6 years receives about 30 pieces of spam a day and that's the one I use for ordering stuff and day to day email. You post to mailing lists and your email address WILL get culled from Google and other places. I still get a kick out of the fact I can Google an email address I had back in 1993 when USENET and BBS's were the only thing around and see the first post I ever made to the Internet. Welcome to 1984. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: What's Up with Aircraft Spruce? > >This is an issue that we at Aircraft Technical Book Company (Builder's >Bookstore) have discussed many times. > >2] There is often a perception of mistrust by customers concerned about >identity theft or having their personal information stored in the vender's >systems, and potentially sold; again pushing the customer to shop elsewhere. I have no mistrust about it, I fully trust that the company will sell my personal information. That is why I get up to 1000 email ads a day. I agree with all the rest that Andy Gold stated. I have seldom experienced any convenience with e-commerce systems that require a password and log in, as I can never figure out what my password is for that account. Bob


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    Time: 04:41:44 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: GNS480 installation manual
    Be advised, the CNX80 manual is different than the GNS480 manual... Some of the wiring is different, especially with the transponder. I know because my avionics guy wired it to the CNX80 manual and it did not work..... We found out the hard way.... if you still need it, e-mail me off line at mike (at) wolflakeairport.net and I'll dig it up for you. I believe I still have PDF's of both versions. -Mike do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Meyette Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GNS480 installation manual Yeah - here you go, from Dan Checkoway's site: http://rvimg.com/garmin/CNX80IntegratedAvionicsSystem_InstallationManual .pdf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RV-List: GNS480 installation manual Does anyone have a .PDF version of the GNS480 installation manual? I've tried the Garmin site without success.. And there doesn't seem To be anything in the archives.. Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV (Reserved) (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com List Contribution Web Site --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! - The RV-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List


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    Time: 05:47:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Chutes in the RV-4
    From: <John.Morrissey@csiro.au>
    Hi Guys, With the exchange rate the way it is maybe you might like to look at an Australian product, I spent many hours siting on one of these in L13 Blaniks so I know their comfortable. http://www.parachutesaustralia.com/s2/prod_emer_thnbk.php Cheers John Morrissey RV-4 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Oke Sent: Friday, 15 December 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Chutes in the RV-4 I wore a Security 150 parachute during the early testing stages of my RV-3 - as much for simple seating comfort as anything because I didn't have the seat cushion arrangements fully completed. The -3 has a similar cockpit to the -4 in terms of size, space, control stick positioning, etc. The Security 150 is no longer available (as far as I know) so some similar alternative will have to be found. Check at your local glider flying airfields and you may be able to simply borrow something suitable for a few flights as the chutes used in modern sailplanes tend to be contour shaped thin packs. Have a look at <http://wingsandwheels.com/page39.htm> for instance. (My own Security 150 is more usually used when I am flying my ASW-20 sailplane - another quite elegant flying creation.) Jim Oke Wpg MB RV-3 C-FIZM ASW-20 C-GPON Bruce Bell wrote: <brucebell74@sbcglobal.net> > > RV-4 Drivers > Anyone of you used a parachute doing the stall series in your bird? If > so what brand/type did you use? Also what type canopy holder did you > have? > Happy Holidays to All! > Bruce Bell > Lubbock, Texas > RV-4 15+ hours > >


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    Time: 06:54:17 PM PST US
    From: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
    Subject: CHT probe mounting
    I am mounting the CHT probes for my VM1000. They were delivered with no washers of any kind. Should there be a star washer on these to keep them from working loose? -- Tom S., RV-6A


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    Time: 06:54:40 PM PST US
    From: BillRVSIX@aol.com
    Subject: Garmin 296 Breaker size
    Hello I Am looking to hook up the Garmin GPS 296 to the avionics bus and would like to use a Breaker in the panel instead of the 1.5 Amp fuse that comes inline with the power cord. I have a 2 Amp push/pull breaker I would like to use but I don't have the power cord and I not sure what gage the wire is and if the 2 Amp breaker will be to much. If anyone has any info that would be great. Bill


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    Time: 06:56:30 PM PST US
    Subject: GNS480 installation manual
    From: "Brad Templin" <btemplin@templinelectronics.com>
    Email Garmin Tech Support - they should be able to provide you with the install manual and a sample flight supplement. Brad ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RV-List: GNS480 installation manual Does anyone have a .PDF version of the GNS480 installation manual? I've tried the Garmin site without success.... And there doesn't seem To be anything in the archives.... Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV (Reserved)


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    Time: 07:10:07 PM PST US
    From: HalBenjamin@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RV-4 F-416 cockpit rail/F-423 side skin junction question.
    In a message dated 12/11/2006 6:38:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomvelvick@cox.net writes: > I was wondering which way you installed your F-423 side skins on the > longerons, the plans don't seem real clear on it: > > a: Make the top of the F-423 side skins flush with the top of the longerons? > > b: Raise the side skins .040 so they will be flush with the top of the F-416 > cockpit rails when they are installed later? > > Hi Tom, I did mine flush with the top of the longerons. Hal Benjamin RV-4 Long Island, NY


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    Time: 07:18:50 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: CHT probe mounting
    Tom, I don't remember but I have the same system. My cowl is off right now getting louvers so I could look in the morning. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314 > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:53 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: CHT probe mounting > > > I am mounting the CHT probes for my VM1000. They were delivered with no > washers of any kind. Should there be a star washer on these to keep > them from working loose? > -- > Tom S., RV-6A > > > >


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    Time: 07:32:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: RV-4 F-416 cockpit rail/F-423 side skin junction question.
    From: "tomvelvick" <tomvelvick@cox.net>
    [quote="HalBenjamin(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 12/11/2006 6:38:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomvelvick@cox.net writes: I did mine flush with the top of the longerons. Hal Benjamin RV-4 Long Island, NY > [b] Hi Hal, So far its 3 people that did their rv-4 side skins flush with the top of the longerons to 0 who raised the skins to cover the cockpit rail. Regards, Tom Velvick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81652#81652


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    Time: 08:07:16 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: Garmin 296 Breaker size
    The breaker protects the wiring, not the instrument. 20g wire would be plenty for a 2 amp breaker for almost any length wire run. My buddy has a nice link on his web page for wiring sizing. Check out http://www.4sierratango.com/electrical1.htm and click on the Excel picture. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillRVSIX@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296 Breaker size Hello I Am looking to hook up the Garmin GPS 296 to the avionics bus and would like to use a Breaker in the panel instead of the 1.5 Amp fuse that comes inline with the power cord. I have a 2 Amp push/pull breaker I would like to use but I don't have the power cord and I not sure what gage the wire is and if the 2 Amp breaker will be to much. If anyone has any info that would be great. Bill




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