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1. 05:38 AM - Wood Prop Loss - Cozy (Kyle Boatright)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 10:07 AM - aircraft directory... (Bill VonDane)
4. 11:15 AM - Re: aircraft directory... (Ken Howell)
5. 12:00 PM - Re: aircraft directory... (Bill VonDane)
6. 12:06 PM - Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
7. 12:14 PM - Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
8. 12:33 PM - stupid exhaust mistake (sarg314)
9. 01:01 PM - Re: stupid exhaust mistake (Tim Olson)
10. 01:47 PM - Lyc 0-320-E2D (Derek Reed)
11. 02:42 PM - Re: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap (Ralph E. Capen)
12. 03:02 PM - EGT on vetterman exhaust (sarg314)
13. 03:03 PM - EGT on vetterman exhaust - correction (sarg314)
14. 03:47 PM - Re: stupid exhaust mistake (Gerry Filby)
15. 05:19 PM - Re: aircraft directory... (Ken Howell)
16. 05:32 PM - Re: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy (Charlie England)
17. 08:04 PM - Re: EGT on vetterman exhaust (Tim Bryan)
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| Subject: | Wood Prop Loss - Cozy |
For those of us who fly behind wood props, this is a good read. It may
give some indication of the symptoms of a wood prop beginning to fail.
And then failing... ;-)
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Desert_Center/
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
Aymar Demuth Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy |
In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:40:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kboatright1@comcast.net writes:
For those of us who fly behind wood props, this is a good read. It may give
some indication of the symptoms of a wood prop beginning to fail. And then
failing... ;-)
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Desert_Center/
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6
Aymar Demuth Prop
Great story and pictures, Kyle. Marc did a great job. Things could have
been a lot worse.
do not archive
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| Subject: | aircraft directory... |
Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website?
It looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked
really well, but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at
all...
It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit
or plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it
doesn't return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried
several different searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all
of Van's airplanes, but none were ever returned... I don't get it...
I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell
me what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is
located so I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work...
You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes...
http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/
-Bill
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| Subject: | aircraft directory... |
Bill,
I was able to find all Van's models after logging in, which is required
to
use the search engine. The login is free through Feb 15, 2007.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory...
Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website?
It
looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked really
well,
but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at all...
It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit
or
plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it doesn't
return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried several
different
searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all of Van's
airplanes,
but none were ever returned... I don't get it...
I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell
me
what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is
located so
I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work...
You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes...
http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/
-Bill
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| Subject: | Re: aircraft directory... |
Hey Ken...
Yes I have paid and was logged it... What I am saying is the search
engine does not work right...
Do a search, and only choose;
kit or plans = kits
landing gear = trigear
seats = 2
materials = metal
and tell me what you get...
Makes it hard to search for all trigear 180 mph aircraft if it doesn't
even return RVs...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Howell
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft directory...
Bill,
I was able to find all Van's models after logging in, which is required
to use the search engine. The login is free through Feb 15, 2007.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory...
Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website?
It looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked
really well, but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at
all...
It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit
or plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it
doesn't return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried
several different searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all
of Van's airplanes, but none were ever returned... I don't get it...
I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell
me what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is
located so I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work...
You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes...
http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/
-Bill
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comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato
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| Subject: | Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap |
Ralph,
Just did mine. Supposed to be half inch all the way around. Mine is a -6a,
but I used the newer steel fuse tabs from the -7's and their plans say half inch
so that's what I used. BTW, I originally bent the thick alum tabs the
required 5 deg but didn't like the looks of the bend. Looked like it had been
stressed, and couldn't polish out the marks so went with the steel ones. They are
prefabbed, all you have to do is bend them and only $10/pair.
Jerry Cochran
RV6a at the hangar and finishing...finishing...finishing...
Time: 03:23:57 PM PST US
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: F-696 / T-405 Overlap
Fellow listers,
Having just got my wings aligned I'm looking at the forward fuel tank
support and its attachment to the fuselage.
I only have a 29/32 overlap which is smaller than the diagram implies - I
think they're using a smaller washer than the one provided.
Any ideas on a minimum edge distance would be appreciated.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap |
BTW Ralph,
That steel tab is very long so is more than adequate for edge distance.I cut
mine of to save an ounce... :-) IIRC, you're talking about a -6 or 8a??
Jerry Cochran
Fellow listers,
Having just got my wings aligned I'm looking at the forward fuel tank
support and its attachment to the fuselage.
I only have a 29/32 overlap which is smaller than the diagram implies - I
think they're using a smaller washer than the one provided.
Any ideas on a minimum edge distance would be appreciated.
Ralph
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| Subject: | stupid exhaust mistake |
I am drilling holes in my Vetterman exhaust for the EGT probes and made
a dumb mistake on cyl. #3. I put a 1/8" hole in it about 1/2" too
high. In that position the hoseclamp that holds on the probe interferes
with the pin that's welded to the exhaust that locks the 2 pieces of
pipe together. I can drill another hole in a better position, but how
do I safely close up the unwanted hole?
---
Tom Sargent, RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: stupid exhaust mistake |
Been there, done that. Take it to any of the aviation muffler
places and they'll weld the hole shut. In my case, I drove
to the St. Paul area and they did it for me on the spot in
10 minutes. It was Aerospace Welding. If you have it done
by a local, be aware that aviation mufflers should be welded
using a specific type of welding rod. They can be obtained
from these welding shops.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
sarg314 wrote:
>
> I am drilling holes in my Vetterman exhaust for the EGT probes and made
> a dumb mistake on cyl. #3. I put a 1/8" hole in it about 1/2" too
> high. In that position the hoseclamp that holds on the probe interferes
> with the pin that's welded to the exhaust that locks the 2 pieces of
> pipe together. I can drill another hole in a better position, but how
> do I safely close up the unwanted hole?
>
> ---
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A
>
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For sale
Lycoming 0-320-E2D Certified engine, OK for auto gas.
402 hrs SMOH 2519 TT.
Removed from Cessna 172 for 180 HP upgrade.
All logs available.
Building RV6A with 180Hp 0- 360 Lyc.
Don't need this engine now!
$11,900 FOB Grants Pass
Can be seen at 3S8
541-479-5216
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| Subject: | Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap |
6A - I'll contact vans about the newer steel parts - or the appropriate
compromise for what I've got.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry2DT@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap
BTW Ralph,
That steel tab is very long so is more than adequate for edge
distance.I cut mine of to save an ounce... :-) IIRC, you're talking
about a -6 or 8a??
Jerry Cochran
Fellow listers,
Having just got my wings aligned I'm looking at the forward fuel tank
support and its attachment to the fuselage.
I only have a 29/32 overlap which is smaller than the diagram implies
- I
think they're using a smaller washer than the one provided.
Any ideas on a minimum edge distance would be appreciated.
Ralph
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| Subject: | EGT on vetterman exhaust |
The VisionMicro EGT probes are supposed to be 3.5 - 4" from the exhaust
flange. The vetterman exhaust (for the O-360, anyway) on Cyl #1 and Cyl
#3 has the welded pin that locks the 2 pipe segments together positioned
right where you'd want to put the EGT probe. I can position the probe
too high (3" or less from the flange) or too low about 4.2" from
flange. The lower position has the clamp slip in just under the pin
bracket. The clamp is held captive by the bracket, but it straddles the
junction where the 2 pipes fit together.
Is there any argument for choosing the too hi or the too low position?
I assume the higher location will read a little hotter. It may not
matter. What have other vetterman users done?
Thansk,
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | EGT on vetterman exhaust - correction |
The pinned junction on the vetterman exhaust is on Cyl #2 and #3, not
#1 and #3.
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
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| Subject: | Re: stupid exhaust mistake |
Oh my. Been there done that ... also.
The guy that welded up mine filled the inside of the tube with
whatever inert gas they're using. He had a special adapter
that plugged one end of the pipe and fed in the gas, the other
end was covered with aluminum foil with a pin hole in it to let
the gas flow through. That way there's no oxidation on either
side of the weld - which he told me was can be an issue with
thin stainless.
g
>
>
> Been there, done that. Take it to any of the aviation muffler
> places and they'll weld the hole shut. In my case, I drove
> to the St. Paul area and they did it for me on the spot in
> 10 minutes. It was Aerospace Welding. If you have it done
> by a local, be aware that aviation mufflers should be welded
> using a specific type of welding rod. They can be obtained
> from these welding shops.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> sarg314 wrote:
> >
> > I am drilling holes in my Vetterman exhaust for the EGT probes and made
> > a dumb mistake on cyl. #3. I put a 1/8" hole in it about 1/2" too
> > high. In that position the hoseclamp that holds on the probe interferes
> > with the pin that's welded to the exhaust that locks the 2 pieces of
> > pipe together. I can drill another hole in a better position, but how
> > do I safely close up the unwanted hole?
> >
> > ---
> > Tom Sargent, RV-6A
> >
>
>
>
>
>
--
__g__
==========================================================
Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
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| Subject: | aircraft directory... |
Bill,
You're right; it looks like kitplanes.com does not recognize any Vans
models
as trigear. If you use "any" gear configuration, you get hits on the
RV's.
Maybe someone should let them know, probably just an oversight in their
database. Makes you wonder about the rest of the data though.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: aircraft directory...
Hey Ken...
Yes I have paid and was logged it... What I am saying is the search
engine
does not work right...
Do a search, and only choose;
kit or plans = kits
landing gear = trigear
seats = 2
materials = metal
and tell me what you get...
Makes it hard to search for all trigear 180 mph aircraft if it doesn't
even
return RVs...
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Howell <mailto:cfi1513840@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft directory...
Bill,
I was able to find all Van's models after logging in, which is required
to
use the search engine. The login is free through Feb 15, 2007.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory...
Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website?
It
looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked really
well,
but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at all...
It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit
or
plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it doesn't
return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried several
different
searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all of Van's
airplanes,
but none were ever returned... I don't get it...
I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell
me
what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is
located so
I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work...
You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes...
http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/
-Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy |
Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:40:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> kboatright1@comcast.net writes:
>
> For those of us who fly behind wood props, this is a good
> read. It may give some indication of the symptoms of a wood prop
> beginning to fail. And then failing... ;-)
>
> http://www.cozybuilders.org/Desert_Center/
>
> Kyle Boatright
> 2001 RV-6
> Aymar Demuth Prop
>
> Great story and pictures, Kyle. Marc did a great job. Things could
> have been a lot worse.
>
> do not archive
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
Haven't read the whole thing yet, but there's a glaring error in his
analysis:
' My theory is that there was a crack in a blade which was growing,
bringing the resonant frequency of the prop in and out of the RPM
operating range as it got bigger and the vibration mode frequencies
changed. One blade leaves, then 10 seconds later the hub gives up the
ghost.'
If he had lost a blade, it wouldn't have been 10 seconds; more like 1
second. And it wouldn't have been just the prop that departed.
Less than an ounce off a tip will feel like the airframe is coming
apart. An entire blade will likely cause the engine to leave with the prop.
Charlie
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| Subject: | EGT on vetterman exhaust |
Mine are under in the lower position and it works just fine.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:59 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: EGT on vetterman exhaust
>
>
> The VisionMicro EGT probes are supposed to be 3.5 - 4" from the exhaust
> flange. The vetterman exhaust (for the O-360, anyway) on Cyl #1 and Cyl
> #3 has the welded pin that locks the 2 pipe segments together positioned
> right where you'd want to put the EGT probe. I can position the probe
> too high (3" or less from the flange) or too low about 4.2" from
> flange. The lower position has the clamp slip in just under the pin
> bracket. The clamp is held captive by the bracket, but it straddles the
> junction where the 2 pipes fit together.
>
> Is there any argument for choosing the too hi or the too low position?
> I assume the higher location will read a little hotter. It may not
> matter. What have other vetterman users done?
>
> Thansk,
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A.
>
>
>
>
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