---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/17/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - Wood Prop Loss - Cozy (Kyle Boatright) 2. 06:53 AM - Re: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 10:07 AM - aircraft directory... (Bill VonDane) 4. 11:15 AM - Re: aircraft directory... (Ken Howell) 5. 12:00 PM - Re: aircraft directory... (Bill VonDane) 6. 12:06 PM - Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 7. 12:14 PM - Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap (Jerry2DT@aol.com) 8. 12:33 PM - stupid exhaust mistake (sarg314) 9. 01:01 PM - Re: stupid exhaust mistake (Tim Olson) 10. 01:47 PM - Lyc 0-320-E2D (Derek Reed) 11. 02:42 PM - Re: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap (Ralph E. Capen) 12. 03:02 PM - EGT on vetterman exhaust (sarg314) 13. 03:03 PM - EGT on vetterman exhaust - correction (sarg314) 14. 03:47 PM - Re: stupid exhaust mistake (Gerry Filby) 15. 05:19 PM - Re: aircraft directory... (Ken Howell) 16. 05:32 PM - Re: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy (Charlie England) 17. 08:04 PM - Re: EGT on vetterman exhaust (Tim Bryan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:08 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: RV-List: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy For those of us who fly behind wood props, this is a good read. It may give some indication of the symptoms of a wood prop beginning to fail. And then failing... ;-) http://www.cozybuilders.org/Desert_Center/ Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 Aymar Demuth Prop ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:18 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:40:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, kboatright1@comcast.net writes: For those of us who fly behind wood props, this is a good read. It may give some indication of the symptoms of a wood prop beginning to fail. And then failing... ;-) http://www.cozybuilders.org/Desert_Center/ Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 Aymar Demuth Prop Great story and pictures, Kyle. Marc did a great job. Things could have been a lot worse. do not archive Dan Hopper RV-7A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:21 AM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory... Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website? It looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked really well, but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at all... It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit or plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it doesn't return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried several different searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all of Van's airplanes, but none were ever returned... I don't get it... I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell me what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is located so I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work... You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes... http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/ -Bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:05 AM PST US From: "Ken Howell" Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft directory... Bill, I was able to find all Van's models after logging in, which is required to use the search engine. The login is free through Feb 15, 2007. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory... Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website? It looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked really well, but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at all... It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit or plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it doesn't return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried several different searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all of Van's airplanes, but none were ever returned... I don't get it... I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell me what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is located so I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work... You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes... http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/ -Bill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:05 PM PST US From: "Bill VonDane" Subject: Re: RV-List: aircraft directory... Hey Ken... Yes I have paid and was logged it... What I am saying is the search engine does not work right... Do a search, and only choose; kit or plans = kits landing gear = trigear seats = 2 materials = metal and tell me what you get... Makes it hard to search for all trigear 180 mph aircraft if it doesn't even return RVs... -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Howell Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft directory... Bill, I was able to find all Van's models after logging in, which is required to use the search engine. The login is free through Feb 15, 2007. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory... Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website? It looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked really well, but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at all... It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit or plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it doesn't return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried several different searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all of Van's airplanes, but none were ever returned... I don't get it... I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell me what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is located so I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work... You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes... http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/ -Bill www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.kitlog.comwww.homebuilthelp. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?RV-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:37 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap Ralph, Just did mine. Supposed to be half inch all the way around. Mine is a -6a, but I used the newer steel fuse tabs from the -7's and their plans say half inch so that's what I used. BTW, I originally bent the thick alum tabs the required 5 deg but didn't like the looks of the bend. Looked like it had been stressed, and couldn't polish out the marks so went with the steel ones. They are prefabbed, all you have to do is bend them and only $10/pair. Jerry Cochran RV6a at the hangar and finishing...finishing...finishing... Time: 03:23:57 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: F-696 / T-405 Overlap Fellow listers, Having just got my wings aligned I'm looking at the forward fuel tank support and its attachment to the fuselage. I only have a 29/32 overlap which is smaller than the diagram implies - I think they're using a smaller washer than the one provided. Any ideas on a minimum edge distance would be appreciated. Ralph ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:25 PM PST US From: Jerry2DT@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap BTW Ralph, That steel tab is very long so is more than adequate for edge distance.I cut mine of to save an ounce... :-) IIRC, you're talking about a -6 or 8a?? Jerry Cochran Fellow listers, Having just got my wings aligned I'm looking at the forward fuel tank support and its attachment to the fuselage. I only have a 29/32 overlap which is smaller than the diagram implies - I think they're using a smaller washer than the one provided. Any ideas on a minimum edge distance would be appreciated. Ralph ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:06 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: stupid exhaust mistake I am drilling holes in my Vetterman exhaust for the EGT probes and made a dumb mistake on cyl. #3. I put a 1/8" hole in it about 1/2" too high. In that position the hoseclamp that holds on the probe interferes with the pin that's welded to the exhaust that locks the 2 pieces of pipe together. I can drill another hole in a better position, but how do I safely close up the unwanted hole? --- Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:54 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV-List: stupid exhaust mistake Been there, done that. Take it to any of the aviation muffler places and they'll weld the hole shut. In my case, I drove to the St. Paul area and they did it for me on the spot in 10 minutes. It was Aerospace Welding. If you have it done by a local, be aware that aviation mufflers should be welded using a specific type of welding rod. They can be obtained from these welding shops. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive sarg314 wrote: > > I am drilling holes in my Vetterman exhaust for the EGT probes and made > a dumb mistake on cyl. #3. I put a 1/8" hole in it about 1/2" too > high. In that position the hoseclamp that holds on the probe interferes > with the pin that's welded to the exhaust that locks the 2 pieces of > pipe together. I can drill another hole in a better position, but how > do I safely close up the unwanted hole? > > --- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:45 PM PST US From: "Derek Reed" Subject: RV-List: Lyc 0-320-E2D For sale Lycoming 0-320-E2D Certified engine, OK for auto gas. 402 hrs SMOH 2519 TT. Removed from Cessna 172 for 180 HP upgrade. All logs available. Building RV6A with 180Hp 0- 360 Lyc. Don't need this engine now! $11,900 FOB Grants Pass Can be seen at 3S8 541-479-5216 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:31 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap 6A - I'll contact vans about the newer steel parts - or the appropriate compromise for what I've got..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry2DT@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: RV-List: Re:F-696 / T-405 Overlap BTW Ralph, That steel tab is very long so is more than adequate for edge distance.I cut mine of to save an ounce... :-) IIRC, you're talking about a -6 or 8a?? Jerry Cochran Fellow listers, Having just got my wings aligned I'm looking at the forward fuel tank support and its attachment to the fuselage. I only have a 29/32 overlap which is smaller than the diagram implies - I think they're using a smaller washer than the one provided. Any ideas on a minimum edge distance would be appreciated. Ralph ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:37 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: EGT on vetterman exhaust The VisionMicro EGT probes are supposed to be 3.5 - 4" from the exhaust flange. The vetterman exhaust (for the O-360, anyway) on Cyl #1 and Cyl #3 has the welded pin that locks the 2 pipe segments together positioned right where you'd want to put the EGT probe. I can position the probe too high (3" or less from the flange) or too low about 4.2" from flange. The lower position has the clamp slip in just under the pin bracket. The clamp is held captive by the bracket, but it straddles the junction where the 2 pipes fit together. Is there any argument for choosing the too hi or the too low position? I assume the higher location will read a little hotter. It may not matter. What have other vetterman users done? Thansk, -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:36 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: EGT on vetterman exhaust - correction The pinned junction on the vetterman exhaust is on Cyl #2 and #3, not #1 and #3. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: stupid exhaust mistake From: Gerry Filby Oh my. Been there done that ... also. The guy that welded up mine filled the inside of the tube with whatever inert gas they're using. He had a special adapter that plugged one end of the pipe and fed in the gas, the other end was covered with aluminum foil with a pin hole in it to let the gas flow through. That way there's no oxidation on either side of the weld - which he told me was can be an issue with thin stainless. g > > > Been there, done that. Take it to any of the aviation muffler > places and they'll weld the hole shut. In my case, I drove > to the St. Paul area and they did it for me on the spot in > 10 minutes. It was Aerospace Welding. If you have it done > by a local, be aware that aviation mufflers should be welded > using a specific type of welding rod. They can be obtained > from these welding shops. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > sarg314 wrote: > > > > I am drilling holes in my Vetterman exhaust for the EGT probes and made > > a dumb mistake on cyl. #3. I put a 1/8" hole in it about 1/2" too > > high. In that position the hoseclamp that holds on the probe interferes > > with the pin that's welded to the exhaust that locks the 2 pieces of > > pipe together. I can drill another hole in a better position, but how > > do I safely close up the unwanted hole? > > > > --- > > Tom Sargent, RV-6A > > > > > > > -- __g__ ========================================================== Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:21 PM PST US From: "Ken Howell" Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft directory... Bill, You're right; it looks like kitplanes.com does not recognize any Vans models as trigear. If you use "any" gear configuration, you get hits on the RV's. Maybe someone should let them know, probably just an oversight in their database. Makes you wonder about the rest of the data though. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: aircraft directory... Hey Ken... Yes I have paid and was logged it... What I am saying is the search engine does not work right... Do a search, and only choose; kit or plans = kits landing gear = trigear seats = 2 materials = metal and tell me what you get... Makes it hard to search for all trigear 180 mph aircraft if it doesn't even return RVs... -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Howell Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: aircraft directory... Bill, I was able to find all Van's models after logging in, which is required to use the search engine. The login is free through Feb 15, 2007. Ken -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: RV-List: aircraft directory... Has anyone tried to use the aircraft directory on the kitplanes website? It looks like an app I used to use on another website that worked really well, but the one on the kitplanes site doesn't work very well at all... It has a search function that you can input filtering criteria like; kit or plans, cruise speed, landing gear configuration etc.....but it doesn't return aircraft you would expect it to return... I tried several different searches, all of which SHOULD include some, if not all of Van's airplanes, but none were ever returned... I don't get it... I was wondering if anyone else had use this tool and could possible tell me what I am doing wrong, or maybe tell me where the original app is located so I can use it because this one doesn't seem to work... You can access it here if you have a esubscription of kitplanes... http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/ -Bill www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav iga tor?RV-List ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:53 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Wood Prop Loss - Cozy Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/2006 8:40:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, > kboatright1@comcast.net writes: > > For those of us who fly behind wood props, this is a good > read. It may give some indication of the symptoms of a wood prop > beginning to fail. And then failing... ;-) > > http://www.cozybuilders.org/Desert_Center/ > > Kyle Boatright > 2001 RV-6 > Aymar Demuth Prop > > Great story and pictures, Kyle. Marc did a great job. Things could > have been a lot worse. > > do not archive > > Dan Hopper > RV-7A Haven't read the whole thing yet, but there's a glaring error in his analysis: ' My theory is that there was a crack in a blade which was growing, bringing the resonant frequency of the prop in and out of the RPM operating range as it got bigger and the vibration mode frequencies changed. One blade leaves, then 10 seconds later the hub gives up the ghost.' If he had lost a blade, it wouldn't have been 10 seconds; more like 1 second. And it wouldn't have been just the prop that departed. Less than an ounce off a tip will feel like the airframe is coming apart. An entire blade will likely cause the engine to leave with the prop. Charlie ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:19 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: EGT on vetterman exhaust Mine are under in the lower position and it works just fine. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sarg314 > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 4:59 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: EGT on vetterman exhaust > > > The VisionMicro EGT probes are supposed to be 3.5 - 4" from the exhaust > flange. The vetterman exhaust (for the O-360, anyway) on Cyl #1 and Cyl > #3 has the welded pin that locks the 2 pipe segments together positioned > right where you'd want to put the EGT probe. I can position the probe > too high (3" or less from the flange) or too low about 4.2" from > flange. The lower position has the clamp slip in just under the pin > bracket. The clamp is held captive by the bracket, but it straddles the > junction where the 2 pipes fit together. > > Is there any argument for choosing the too hi or the too low position? > I assume the higher location will read a little hotter. It may not > matter. What have other vetterman users done? > > Thansk, > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.