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1. 12:17 AM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Jeff Point)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Firewall Bend (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Ron Lee)
4. 11:19 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/27/06 (EMAproducts@aol.com)
5. 11:19 AM - FW: SNF Changes (Greg Young)
6. 11:46 AM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Jeff Point)
7. 11:47 AM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (Jeff Point)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (Chuck Jensen)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (JOHN STARN)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (Brian Meyette)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: SNF Changes (Bob Collins)
12. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Chuck Jensen)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (John Huft)
14. 02:32 PM - Fuel Injection Line Run (Emrath)
15. 02:52 PM - Re: SNF Changes (Bob Collins)
16. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
17. 03:02 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (G McNutt)
18. 03:10 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Dave Cudney)
19. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (gert)
20. 03:35 PM - engine baffle safety wire (sarg314)
21. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (gert)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: SNF Changes (Bob Collins)
23. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Paul Trotter)
24. 04:34 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Dan Checkoway)
25. 04:36 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (linn Walters)
26. 05:00 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Vanremog@aol.com)
27. 05:03 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (scott bilinski)
28. 05:04 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (G McNutt)
29. 05:07 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (bertrv6@highstream.net)
30. 05:18 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Bobby Hester)
31. 05:27 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Bobby Hester)
32. 06:38 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Dana Overall)
33. 07:13 PM - Fuel Injection Line Run (James H Nelson)
34. 07:29 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Phil Birkelbach)
35. 08:43 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Randy Lervold)
36. 09:31 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Terry Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005
I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this info?
Jeff Point
RV-6 flying w/ possibly affected cylinders (gulp!)
RV-8 tail
Milwaukee
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Bend |
Michael,
I have read the responses so far, and I must admit that I'm probably out to
lunch here. But, I didn't put a "bend" in the firewall at all. I just let it
happen on its own, and IMHO it looks fine.
Given that you have started the bend, use a piece of hardwood about a foot or
two long (to hammer lightly on) to help shape your bend in the middle. This
piece is like a mirror and will show every minor imperfection.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A -- In the backwoods of the Midwest.
In a message dated 12/27/2006 7:42:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
MLWynn@aol.com writes:
Hi all,
I am just starting the fuselage. There is an instruction to put an 8 degree
forward bend in the firewall. I clamped the firewall between my bench and a
"sharp edged board" for the bend. It was pretty sharp at the edges, but much
more gradual in the middle. How crucial is this? Should I really work at
getting a sharp bend all the way across?
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8, Fuselage
San Ramon, California
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
At 01:18 AM 12/28/2006, you wrote:
>
>Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005
>
>I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this info?
Easy to find here:
http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/27/06 |
12/2006
Gentlemen,
Currently I have less than 30% of our customers current e-mail addresses.
I am attempting to update our mailing lists to see if they have any questions
re their RiteAngle IIIb Angle of Attack systems. Occasionally I get a call
from someone who purchased a system several years ago and still do not have
system installed or set-up due to various reasons.
Should you have any questions, comments, photos of system installed in your
plane, endorsements or whatever re: the RiteAngle IIIb system please send it
to this address _riteangle3@aol.com_ (mailto:riteangle3@aol.com)
Thankfully, since the IIIb system has gone into production, we have had no changes
in
the electronics, however we now have a professional written setup manual.
Sincerely
Elbie
EM Aviation, LLC
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Beware anyone flying to SnF... the masses are being turned loose on us.
_____
2007 SNF Attendees,
Check out this article in the local paper, the flight line will be "open" to
anyone who buys a ticket, no more checking wristbands at the flightline.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS/612280447/
1039
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
If it was a snake it would have bit me. Thankfully I dodged the bullet.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: FW: SNF Changes |
Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's
part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that
they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA?
Jeff Point
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According to the article, Wayne Boggs, Sun 'n Fun's director of
operations, explains "If doing this attracts just one child to a career
in aviation, then it's worth it," he said.
Maybe what he really meant to say was "If doing this will sell just one
more ticket, then it's worth it,".
I don't think anyone is against the 'unwashed' public getting an
up-close and personal introduction to aviation, but at some point,
public safety and protection of aircrafts becomes equally, or more,
important. Curious how many pilots and aricraft owners they consulted
with prior to this decision?
Chuck Jensen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Point
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes
Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's
part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that
they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA?
Jeff Point
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| Subject: | Re: FW: SNF Changes |
I recall going with Chuck Wentworth in his TBM Avenger (we were CAF
members) to an airshow in Paso Robles many years back where the
organizers allowed EVERYONE who bought a ticket to get up close &
personal with ALL the flightline aircraft. Several family groups took up
"residence" under the shade of the TBM's wings.
I was on "patrol" during the show keeping the aircraft "safe" from
fingers & feet and selling from our portable PX.
After the show we did a complete walk around & inspected everything. We
found food wrappers, empty cans etc. stuffed in every opening. However
the dirty soiled diapers (3 on one side, 2 in the other) stuffed back up
in the wheel wells was the topper.
Ya might want to take your own poles & ropes. KABONG Do Not Archive
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From: Greg Young
To: rv-list@matronics.com ; Navion eGroup
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes
Beware anyone flying to SnF... the masses are being turned loose on
us.
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2007 SNF Attendees,
Check out this article in the local paper, the flight line will be
"open" to anyone who buys a ticket, no more checking wristbands at the
flightline.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS/61228
0447/1039
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Interesting info - I didn't realize SNF was not an EAA function.
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Point
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes
Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's
part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that
they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA?
Jeff Point
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This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting flying,
airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local governments
want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't say "pilots? Just
a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?"
I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also know
that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the signs thereon.
In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't recall seeing a
single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more respectful.
I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the public,
therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the first one I'd
recommend.
The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start, but
I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present a better
image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should protect what we do.
Bob Collins
RV Builder's Hotline
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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Bob,
I agree whole heartedly. We do not want to treat the public as the
great unwashed and imply they unworthy of touching an plane. After all,
our ability to have airports and airplances may well rest with their
good-will.
When it comes to planes, we know that if you've seen one, you haven't
seen them all, but if one or two are available for 'hands-on' inspection
with some volunteer pilots around the exhibit plane(s) to encourage (but
monitor) close inspections and answer questions, that may sate the
curiousity of many and would add to their knowledge and appreciation
when they see other planes. It'd also be an opportunity to explain
airplane-etiguette to the unfamiliar, which will engender respect and a
personal connection.
Or, perhaps a separate flight line could be set aside with open access
to the public. The planes on that flight line would be volunteers and
the pilots encouraged to stay with the plane for the entire morning or
entire afternoon to interface with the public while keeping a watchful
eye on their craft.
There are bound to be multiple plans that could be developed and
executed that would provide a quality, but safe, experience for the
public and the pilots, rather than just making the flight line a open
cattle-call.
SNF should endeaver to do this 'with' the pilots and aircraft owners,
not do it 'to' them.
Chuck Jensen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes
This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be
introducting flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when
the local governments want to close our airports to build more homes,
people don't say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys,
here's the keys to the bulldozer?"
I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I
also know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and
heed the signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last
year, I don't recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the
field is just more respectful.
I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the
public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the
first one I'd recommend.
The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good
start, but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways
to present a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers
should protect what we do.
Bob Collins
RV Builder's Hotline
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030
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| Subject: | Re: FW: SNF Changes |
Jeff
Isn't the public allowed to get up close and personal to all the
aircraft at Oshkosh?
John
Jeff Point wrote:
>
> Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's
> part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that
> they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA?
>
> Jeff Point
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel Injection Line Run |
I've a question for anyone who has done this. I have a Bendix Fuel
Injection system installed in my RV-6A, with the servo mounted vertically
where one normally has a carb. I'm in the process of running the fuel line
from the servo to the distribution spider. I've seen installations that run
this line right in front of the sump, to a hole in the inter-cylinder
baffling and up to the spider. Using Vetterman's cross over pipes, I've
about 7/8" clearance between the pipes and the sump. Has anyone done this
and could they share pictures of their installation. Thanks for your help.
Marty
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cjensen(at)dts9000.com wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I agree whole heartedly. We do not want to treat the public as the
> great unwashed and imply they unworthy of touching an plane. After all,
> our ability to have airports and airplances may well rest with their
> good-will.
> --
I would think a separate private parking area, perhaps for those who don't want
to have their aircraft available wouldn't be a bad idea. And, certainly, in any
case there needs to be a POP organization as at OSH.
On the whole, I'd say a major fly-in is a lousy place to go if you don't want anyone
touching your plane, though, although someday I hope to find out what it's
like to be able to fly a plane to a major fly-in. Or not. [Laughing]
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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I have never noticed anything around the Cardinal that we have parked on the
North Forty at OSH for the last five years. The EAA staff and members do a
great job with the pilot community and the general public keeping the
grounds and plane's safe. I think the folks looking over the RV's know what
they are looking at and understand the hard work and value of these
airplanes. I walked by the RV's for a number of years and really never
thought much about them. But sooner or later they will get you and then you
are hooked, and that is what the AOPA and the EAA are hoping for. This
certainly helps build a strong membership and a powerful organization.
Working on the wings in the Northwood of MN.
Jim - RV9a
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes
>
> This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting
> flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local
> governments want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't
> say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to
> the bulldozer?"
>
> I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also
> know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the
> signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't
> recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more
> respectful.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the
> public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the
> first one I'd recommend.
>
> The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start,
> but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present
> a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should
> protect what we do.
>
>
> Bob Collins
> RV Builder's Hotline
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030
>
>
> --
> 12/28/2006 12:31 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
Hi Jeff
That info is on this page, bottom of second or third paragraph.
http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/
I know how you feel, my engine was delivered in Nov 05 but cylinders
were manufactured in Feb 05.
George in Langley BC
Jeff Point wrote:
> Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005
> I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this
> info?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
On Dec 28, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Point wrote:
> -I had the serial nos. but the manufacturing date was beyond the
> April to November of 2005 dates.
(B06) = February of 2006. Didn't sleep much last night 'till I
figured it out.
Dave@RAL (7A --- wiring)
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having worked for many a year now at Oshkosh i can attest to the horror
stories, i have seen the wing as diaper change areas, i have seen folks
poking in fabric covered wings and caught folks stuffing coke cans in
exhausts, folding chairs stacked 4 deep against the fiberglass bodies,
broken pitot's because bags were hung from it. my winner was the guy
smoking at the flight line asking me if the avgas dripping out of a
slanted highwing was flammable. After all the years at Oshkosh i am
surprised not more gets damaged.
As for the RV area, the RV area is relatively protected as it is far,
far, away from the flight line during the airshow. It is the folks who
come for a 'spectacle' who mass along the flight line on, under and
amongst the parked planes.
if the RV area were front and center u would see the same problems
amongst the RV's.
Gert
Bob Collins wrote:
>
> This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting flying,
airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local governments
want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't say "pilots? Just
a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?"
>
> I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also know
that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the signs thereon.
In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't recall seeing
a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more respectful.
>
> I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the public,
therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the first one
I'd recommend.
>
> The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start, but
I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present a better
image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should protect what we
do.
>
>
> Bob Collins
> RV Builder's Hotline
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030
>
>
>
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| Subject: | engine baffle safety wire |
My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the
safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull
the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just
stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety
wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story
on both sides of the engine.
I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition
the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of
some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down.
(Come to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.)
Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I
missing something here?
--
Tom S., RV-6A, wiring
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North forty is miles away from the show center were the masses congregate.
Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote:
> <jfogarty@tds.net>
>
> I have never noticed anything around the Cardinal that we have parked
> on the North Forty at OSH for the last five years. The EAA staff and
> members do a great job with the pilot community and the general public
> keeping the grounds and plane's safe. I think the folks looking over
> the RV's know what they are looking at and understand the hard work
> and value of these airplanes. I walked by the RV's for a number of
> years and really never thought much about them. But sooner or later
> they will get you and then you are hooked, and that is what the AOPA
> and the EAA are hoping for. This certainly helps build a strong
> membership and a powerful organization.
>
> Working on the wings in the Northwood of MN.
>
> Jim - RV9a
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Collins"
> <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:12 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes
>
>
>>
>> This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be
>> introducting flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that
>> when the local governments want to close our airports to build more
>> homes, people don't say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich
>> boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?"
>>
>> I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I
>> also know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and
>> heed the signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last
>> year, I don't recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the
>> field is just more respectful.
>>
>> I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're
>> the public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably
>> not the first one I'd recommend.
>>
>> The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good
>> start, but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with
>> ways to present a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why
>> non-flyers should protect what we do.
>>
>>
>> Bob Collins
>> RV Builder's Hotline
>> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Collins
>> St. Paul, Minn.
>> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> 12/28/2006 12:31 PM
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gert.v(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> having worked for many a year now at Oshkosh i can attest to the horror
> stories, i have seen the wing as diaper change areas, i have seen folks
> poking in fabric covered wings and caught folks stuffing coke cans in
> exhausts, folding chairs stacked 4 deep against the fiberglass bodies,
I say this only HALF in jest. Ban strollers. I hate strollers. Folks are pushing
strollers, looking up and BANG...right into my ankles.
Seriously, I too have seen the crowds along the flightline. I don't think I'd park
there. Plus the atmosphere in the South 40 is wayyyyyyyy too cool to ever
want to leave.
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I expect this will backfire on them. Either no one will fly in anymore
because they will worry about damage, or SNF will end up with a lot of
lawsuits for damage. I assume they will claim that they have the
appropriate security to protect planes and in doing so will open them up to
a negligence claim if something happens.
Getting the public interested in flying is all well and good, but allowing
people who have no understanding, and in many cases no respect, close to
expensive planes is probably not a good idea. I would definitely think
twice about flying in.
Paul
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes
>
>
> gert.v(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> having worked for many a year now at Oshkosh i can attest to the horror
>> stories, i have seen the wing as diaper change areas, i have seen folks
>> poking in fabric covered wings and caught folks stuffing coke cans in
>> exhausts, folding chairs stacked 4 deep against the fiberglass bodies,
>
>
> I say this only HALF in jest. Ban strollers. I hate strollers. Folks are
> pushing strollers, looking up and BANG...right into my ankles.
>
> Seriously, I too have seen the crowds along the flightline. I don't think
> I'd park there. Plus the atmosphere in the South 40 is wayyyyyyyy too cool
> to ever want to leave.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84074#84074
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
As per Van's, I used thick-walled plastic tubing...the same stuff used for
brake tubing in some spots. The safety wire runs through the plastic, and
the plastic serves as anti-chafe.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1162 hours)
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire
>
> My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the
> safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull the
> lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just stretched
> a string across there today and it is clear that the safety wire would rub
> against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story on both sides of
> the engine.
>
> I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition
> the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of
> some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. (Come
> to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.)
>
> Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I
> missing something here?
> --
> Tom S., RV-6A, wiring
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: SNF Changes |
Sun-N-Fun has always been an independent corporation. It's funny how
perspective works. I'm a 32 year volunteer ..... never missed a one
..... and changes never came easy. Those changes that were seen as
'like Oshkosh' were resented ...... and those that weren't ...... were
still resented. Changes are inevitable ...... but most of the 'old
timers' still long for 'the good old days'.
Linn ..... do not archive
Brian Meyette wrote:
>
>Interesting info - I didn't realize SNF was not an EAA function.
>brian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Point
>Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes
>
>
>Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's
>part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that
>they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA?
>
>Jeff Point
>do not archive
>
>
>
>
>>*
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
In a message dated 12/28/2006 3:39:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
sarg314@comcast.net writes:
My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the
safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull
the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just
stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety
wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story
on both sides of the engine.
I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition
the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of
some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down.
(Come to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.)
Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I
missing something here?
=====================================
Mine are threaded rods from the hobby store that I bent a joggle in fitted
with springs (to allow for movement) and high temp lock nuts and they have
worked fine.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 830hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
I used a threaded rod.....(4-40? dont remember) to pull the baffles togethe
r and to keep it from rubbing on the tubes I placed car fuel line over the
drain tubes....you know, slice it down one side and slip it on, 400 plus ho
urs and it works great.....so far!=0A =0AScott Bilinski=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>=0ATo:
rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33:20 PM=0ASubj
ect: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire=0A=0A=0A--> RV-List message posted
by: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>=0A=0A My engine baffles were installed
long ago, but I never put in the =0Asafety wire on the underside of the cy
linders that is supposed to pull =0Athe lower ends of the baffles tight aro
und the cooling fins. I just =0Astretched a string across there today and
it is clear that the safety =0Awire would rub against one of the oil return
lines. It's the same story =0Aon both sides of the engine.=0A=0A I gue
ss I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition =0Athe safe
ty wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of =0Asome so
rt to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. =0A(Come to t
hink of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.)=0A=0A
Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I =0Amis
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
Hi Tom
Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. If you want a nice fix
use 1/8 stainless welding rod instead of wire.
After cutting and forming, thread each end of the rod for #4 fiber lock
nuts. To allow for expansion & contraction use washers then small
compression springs between the nut and baffle flange (flanges are held
by spring pressure not nut tension). The welding rod is stiff enough
that it does not need to run straight and can be shaped to fit
under/around the oil line.
George in Langley BC
Tom wrote ----------------------------
> My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the
> safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull
> the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just
> stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety
> wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same
> story on both sides of the engine.
>
> I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to
> reposition the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a
> little bracket of some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push
> the wire down. (Come to think of it, it would probably wear through
> anything I put there.)
>
> Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am
> I missing something here?
> --
> Tom S., RV-6A, wiring
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
Quoting Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com>:
>
> As per Van's, I used thick-walled plastic tubing...the same stuff used for
> brake tubing in some spots. The safety wire runs through the plastic, and
> the plastic serves as anti-chafe.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (1162 hours)
> www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33 PM
> Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire
>
>
> >
> > My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the
> > safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull the
> > lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just stretched
> > a string across there today and it is clear that the safety wire would rub
> > against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story on both sides of
> > the engine.
> >
> > I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition
> > the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of
> > some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. (Come
> > to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.)
> >
> > Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I
> > missing something here?
> > --
> > Tom S., RV-6A, wiring
> >
> >Tomn: The best, is go to a hobbie shop, you will find very fine
steel rods, which actually have the right bends, where one need them.
you cut it to lenght. They come with the nuts at each end. When
you install them, you just tight each one accordingly, to get a good fir.
If I recall, they come in packets...Where the airplanes kits etc..
Bert
rv6a
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
Did you actually type in the serial numbers in the check form? My serial
numbers contain F05 which appear to mean that they were made in Feb. 05,
but I typed them in on the form and the results say that 3 of them are
Recalled and 1 Not Recalled, which does not make any sense to me because
they are numbered:
098 Recalled
099 Recalled
100 Not Recalled
101 Recalled
I'll be calling Superior tomarrow :-(
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
Jeff Point wrote:
>
> If it was a snake it would have bit me. Thankfully I dodged the bullet.
>
> Jeff
> do not archive
>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Superior Cylinder Recall |
Mine were F05, but when I typed in the serial numbers in the online
check form 3 were listed as Recalled.
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Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
G McNutt wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff
>
> That info is on this page, bottom of second or third paragraph.
> http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/
> I know how you feel, my engine was delivered in Nov 05 but cylinders
> were manufactured in Feb 05.
>
> George in Langley BC
>
>
> Jeff Point wrote:
>
>> Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005
>> I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this
>> info?
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
>From: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
>Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. George in Langley BC
>
George, nice fix. However, Tom if you do want to go with the safety wire,
use a washer on the outside of the tab. This will add more meat than just
the tab and address the issue of the safety wire cutting through the tab.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
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| Subject: | Fuel Injection Line Run |
Hi Marty,
I have the AFP fuel injection vertical system. I ran my line
from the spider down thru the baffle and then back above the inlet pipes
and then around the sump and down to the controller. I had to provide a
support where it turns from the rearward direction to the center and
downward direction. I can do some pix if you want. I'll attach some
that I already have. I found that the AFP lines were too long. I had
them provide a 45 deg. fitting and then I cut the line from the fuel pump
to the controller so it had a smooth run to the controller. The 45 deg.
fitting allowed the line to clear the tri gear mount and go nicely to the
controller.
The "battery and fuel line cable support" pix shows how I
attached the line as it came down from the spider and ran it rearward.
The "throttle cable bracket---" pix shows the hose coming from
the spider that was repositioned via a adel clamp at the back end of the
throttle support bracket. The line now runs along the gold / white
interface of the two brackets thru the adel clamp where it then turns
toward the center and then down to the fuel controller.
Maybe this will help. Lengths of hose partly determine where the
lines will run. I tried to keep them away from the exhaust system as
much as possible. I'll probably put heat reflective aluminized tape
around the critical areas where it comes close ....
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
Yep, that's the ticket. Simple and effective but Dan forgot his own
hint about using small washers on each end of the safety wire to keep
the wire from pulling through the aluminum baffles.
Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Phil
On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Dan Checkoway wrote:
>
> As per Van's, I used thick-walled plastic tubing...the same stuff
> used for brake tubing in some spots. The safety wire runs through
> the plastic, and the plastic serves as anti-chafe.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (1162 hours)
> www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarg314" <sarg314@comcast.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33 PM
> Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire
>
>
>>
>> My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in
>> the safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed
>> to pull the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling
>> fins. I just stretched a string across there today and it is
>> clear that the safety wire would rub against one of the oil return
>> lines. It's the same story on both sides of the engine.
>>
>> I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to
>> reposition the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a
>> little bracket of some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to
>> push the wire down. (Come to think of it, it would probably wear
>> through anything I put there.)
>>
>> Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or
>> am I missing something here?
>> --
>> Tom S., RV-6A, wiring
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine baffle safety wire |
I used a bit different method... I first riveted a doubler on the flanges,
then used a pop rivet where the safety wire goes through the flange with the
mandrel punched out. The safety wire goes through the pop rivet then.
Provides better protection from the safety wire than a washer.
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
www.rv-8.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "G McNutt" <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire
>
> Hi Tom
>
> Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. If you want a nice fix
> use 1/8 stainless welding rod instead of wire.
> After cutting and forming, thread each end of the rod for #4 fiber lock
> nuts. To allow for expansion & contraction use washers then small
> compression springs between the nut and baffle flange (flanges are held
> by spring pressure not nut tension). The welding rod is stiff enough that
> it does not need to run straight and can be shaped to fit under/around the
> oil line.
>
> George in Langley BC
>
>
> Tom wrote ----------------------------
>> My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the
>> safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull
>> the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just
>> stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety
>> wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story
>> on both sides of the engine.
>>
>> I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition
>> the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of
>> some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down.
>> (Come to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put
>> there.)
>>
>> Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I
>> missing something here?
>> --
>> Tom S., RV-6A, wiring
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | engine baffle safety wire |
I believe the plans for the baffle show a fairly heavy aluminum doubler at
those tabs. I think I used 1/8" stock.
Terry
>From: G McNutt <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>
>Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. George in Langley BC
>
George, nice fix. However, Tom if you do want to go with the safety wire,
use a washer on the outside of the tab. This will add more meat than just
the tab and address the issue of the safety wire cutting through the tab.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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