---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/28/06: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Jeff Point) 2. 03:57 AM - Re: Firewall Bend (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Ron Lee) 4. 11:19 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/27/06 (EMAproducts@aol.com) 5. 11:19 AM - FW: SNF Changes (Greg Young) 6. 11:46 AM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Jeff Point) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (Jeff Point) 8. 12:09 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (Chuck Jensen) 9. 12:39 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (JOHN STARN) 10. 12:43 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (Brian Meyette) 11. 01:14 PM - Re: SNF Changes (Bob Collins) 12. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Chuck Jensen) 13. 02:18 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (John Huft) 14. 02:32 PM - Fuel Injection Line Run (Emrath) 15. 02:52 PM - Re: SNF Changes (Bob Collins) 16. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty) 17. 03:02 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (G McNutt) 18. 03:10 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Dave Cudney) 19. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (gert) 20. 03:35 PM - engine baffle safety wire (sarg314) 21. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (gert) 22. 04:12 PM - Re: SNF Changes (Bob Collins) 23. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Paul Trotter) 24. 04:34 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Dan Checkoway) 25. 04:36 PM - Re: FW: SNF Changes (linn Walters) 26. 05:00 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Vanremog@aol.com) 27. 05:03 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (scott bilinski) 28. 05:04 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (G McNutt) 29. 05:07 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (bertrv6@highstream.net) 30. 05:18 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Bobby Hester) 31. 05:27 PM - Re: Superior Cylinder Recall (Bobby Hester) 32. 06:38 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Dana Overall) 33. 07:13 PM - Fuel Injection Line Run (James H Nelson) 34. 07:29 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Phil Birkelbach) 35. 08:43 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Randy Lervold) 36. 09:31 PM - Re: engine baffle safety wire (Terry Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:40 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005 I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this info? Jeff Point RV-6 flying w/ possibly affected cylinders (gulp!) RV-8 tail Milwaukee ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:48 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Firewall Bend Michael, I have read the responses so far, and I must admit that I'm probably out to lunch here. But, I didn't put a "bend" in the firewall at all. I just let it happen on its own, and IMHO it looks fine. Given that you have started the bend, use a piece of hardwood about a foot or two long (to hammer lightly on) to help shape your bend in the middle. This piece is like a mirror and will show every minor imperfection. Dan Hopper RV-7A -- In the backwoods of the Midwest. In a message dated 12/27/2006 7:42:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, MLWynn@aol.com writes: Hi all, I am just starting the fuselage. There is an instruction to put an 8 degree forward bend in the firewall. I clamped the firewall between my bench and a "sharp edged board" for the bend. It was pretty sharp at the edges, but much more gradual in the middle. How crucial is this? Should I really work at getting a sharp bend all the way across? Regards, Michael Wynn RV-8, Fuselage San Ramon, California ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:25 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall At 01:18 AM 12/28/2006, you wrote: > >Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005 > >I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this info? Easy to find here: http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:29 AM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/27/06 12/2006 Gentlemen, Currently I have less than 30% of our customers current e-mail addresses. I am attempting to update our mailing lists to see if they have any questions re their RiteAngle IIIb Angle of Attack systems. Occasionally I get a call from someone who purchased a system several years ago and still do not have system installed or set-up due to various reasons. Should you have any questions, comments, photos of system installed in your plane, endorsements or whatever re: the RiteAngle IIIb system please send it to this address _riteangle3@aol.com_ (mailto:riteangle3@aol.com) Thankfully, since the IIIb system has gone into production, we have had no changes in the electronics, however we now have a professional written setup manual. Sincerely Elbie EM Aviation, LLC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:29 AM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Beware anyone flying to SnF... the masses are being turned loose on us. _____ 2007 SNF Attendees, Check out this article in the local paper, the flight line will be "open" to anyone who buys a ticket, no more checking wristbands at the flightline. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS/612280447/ 1039 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:08 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall If it was a snake it would have bit me. Thankfully I dodged the bullet. Jeff do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:44 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA? Jeff Point do not archive > * > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes From: "Chuck Jensen" According to the article, Wayne Boggs, Sun 'n Fun's director of operations, explains "If doing this attracts just one child to a career in aviation, then it's worth it," he said. Maybe what he really meant to say was "If doing this will sell just one more ticket, then it's worth it,". I don't think anyone is against the 'unwashed' public getting an up-close and personal introduction to aviation, but at some point, public safety and protection of aircrafts becomes equally, or more, important. Curious how many pilots and aricraft owners they consulted with prior to this decision? Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Point Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA? Jeff Point do not archive > * > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:31 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes I recall going with Chuck Wentworth in his TBM Avenger (we were CAF members) to an airshow in Paso Robles many years back where the organizers allowed EVERYONE who bought a ticket to get up close & personal with ALL the flightline aircraft. Several family groups took up "residence" under the shade of the TBM's wings. I was on "patrol" during the show keeping the aircraft "safe" from fingers & feet and selling from our portable PX. After the show we did a complete walk around & inspected everything. We found food wrappers, empty cans etc. stuffed in every opening. However the dirty soiled diapers (3 on one side, 2 in the other) stuffed back up in the wheel wells was the topper. Ya might want to take your own poles & ropes. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Young To: rv-list@matronics.com ; Navion eGroup Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Beware anyone flying to SnF... the masses are being turned loose on us. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2007 SNF Attendees, Check out this article in the local paper, the flight line will be "open" to anyone who buys a ticket, no more checking wristbands at the flightline. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NEWS/61228 0447/1039 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:52 PM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Interesting info - I didn't realize SNF was not an EAA function. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Point Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA? Jeff Point do not archive > * > * -- 12:22 AM -- 12:22 AM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:15 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes From: "Bob Collins" This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local governments want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?" I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more respectful. I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the first one I'd recommend. The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start, but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should protect what we do. Bob Collins RV Builder's Hotline http://rvhotline.expercraft.com -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:25 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes From: "Chuck Jensen" Bob, I agree whole heartedly. We do not want to treat the public as the great unwashed and imply they unworthy of touching an plane. After all, our ability to have airports and airplances may well rest with their good-will. When it comes to planes, we know that if you've seen one, you haven't seen them all, but if one or two are available for 'hands-on' inspection with some volunteer pilots around the exhibit plane(s) to encourage (but monitor) close inspections and answer questions, that may sate the curiousity of many and would add to their knowledge and appreciation when they see other planes. It'd also be an opportunity to explain airplane-etiguette to the unfamiliar, which will engender respect and a personal connection. Or, perhaps a separate flight line could be set aside with open access to the public. The planes on that flight line would be volunteers and the pilots encouraged to stay with the plane for the entire morning or entire afternoon to interface with the public while keeping a watchful eye on their craft. There are bound to be multiple plans that could be developed and executed that would provide a quality, but safe, experience for the public and the pilots, rather than just making the flight line a open cattle-call. SNF should endeaver to do this 'with' the pilots and aircraft owners, not do it 'to' them. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local governments want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?" I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more respectful. I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the first one I'd recommend. The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start, but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should protect what we do. Bob Collins RV Builder's Hotline http://rvhotline.expercraft.com -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:25 PM PST US From: John Huft Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Jeff Isn't the public allowed to get up close and personal to all the aircraft at Oshkosh? John Jeff Point wrote: > > Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's > part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that > they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA? > > Jeff Point > do not archive > > >> * >> * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:32 PM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Fuel Injection Line Run I've a question for anyone who has done this. I have a Bendix Fuel Injection system installed in my RV-6A, with the servo mounted vertically where one normally has a carb. I'm in the process of running the fuel line from the servo to the distribution spider. I've seen installations that run this line right in front of the sump, to a hole in the inter-cylinder baffling and up to the spider. Using Vetterman's cross over pipes, I've about 7/8" clearance between the pipes and the sump. Has anyone done this and could they share pictures of their installation. Thanks for your help. Marty ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:48 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes From: "Bob Collins" cjensen(at)dts9000.com wrote: > Bob, > > I agree whole heartedly. We do not want to treat the public as the > great unwashed and imply they unworthy of touching an plane. After all, > our ability to have airports and airplances may well rest with their > good-will. > -- I would think a separate private parking area, perhaps for those who don't want to have their aircraft available wouldn't be a bad idea. And, certainly, in any case there needs to be a POP organization as at OSH. On the whole, I'd say a major fly-in is a lousy place to go if you don't want anyone touching your plane, though, although someday I hope to find out what it's like to be able to fly a plane to a major fly-in. Or not. [Laughing] -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84054#84054 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:56 PM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes I have never noticed anything around the Cardinal that we have parked on the North Forty at OSH for the last five years. The EAA staff and members do a great job with the pilot community and the general public keeping the grounds and plane's safe. I think the folks looking over the RV's know what they are looking at and understand the hard work and value of these airplanes. I walked by the RV's for a number of years and really never thought much about them. But sooner or later they will get you and then you are hooked, and that is what the AOPA and the EAA are hoping for. This certainly helps build a strong membership and a powerful organization. Working on the wings in the Northwood of MN. Jim - RV9a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Collins" Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes > > This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting > flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local > governments want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't > say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to > the bulldozer?" > > I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also > know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the > signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't > recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more > respectful. > > I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the > public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the > first one I'd recommend. > > The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start, > but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present > a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should > protect what we do. > > > Bob Collins > RV Builder's Hotline > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030 > > > -- > 12/28/2006 12:31 PM > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:01 PM PST US From: G McNutt Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall Hi Jeff That info is on this page, bottom of second or third paragraph. http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ I know how you feel, my engine was delivered in Nov 05 but cylinders were manufactured in Feb 05. George in Langley BC Jeff Point wrote: > Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005 > I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this > info? > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:18 PM PST US From: Dave Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall On Dec 28, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Point wrote: > -I had the serial nos. but the manufacturing date was beyond the > April to November of 2005 dates. (B06) = February of 2006. Didn't sleep much last night 'till I figured it out. Dave@RAL (7A --- wiring) > do not archive > > >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:05 PM PST US From: gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes having worked for many a year now at Oshkosh i can attest to the horror stories, i have seen the wing as diaper change areas, i have seen folks poking in fabric covered wings and caught folks stuffing coke cans in exhausts, folding chairs stacked 4 deep against the fiberglass bodies, broken pitot's because bags were hung from it. my winner was the guy smoking at the flight line asking me if the avgas dripping out of a slanted highwing was flammable. After all the years at Oshkosh i am surprised not more gets damaged. As for the RV area, the RV area is relatively protected as it is far, far, away from the flight line during the airshow. It is the folks who come for a 'spectacle' who mass along the flight line on, under and amongst the parked planes. if the RV area were front and center u would see the same problems amongst the RV's. Gert Bob Collins wrote: > > This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be introducting flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that when the local governments want to close our airports to build more homes, people don't say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?" > > I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I also know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and heed the signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last year, I don't recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the field is just more respectful. > > I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're the public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably not the first one I'd recommend. > > The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good start, but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with ways to present a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why non-flyers should protect what we do. > > > Bob Collins > RV Builder's Hotline > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030 > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, '227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:05 PM PST US From: sarg314 Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story on both sides of the engine. I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. (Come to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.) Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I missing something here? -- Tom S., RV-6A, wiring ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:26 PM PST US From: gert Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes North forty is miles away from the show center were the masses congregate. Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > > > I have never noticed anything around the Cardinal that we have parked > on the North Forty at OSH for the last five years. The EAA staff and > members do a great job with the pilot community and the general public > keeping the grounds and plane's safe. I think the folks looking over > the RV's know what they are looking at and understand the hard work > and value of these airplanes. I walked by the RV's for a number of > years and really never thought much about them. But sooner or later > they will get you and then you are hooked, and that is what the AOPA > and the EAA are hoping for. This certainly helps build a strong > membership and a powerful organization. > > Working on the wings in the Northwood of MN. > > Jim - RV9a > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Collins" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:12 PM > Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes > > >> >> This is the part I don't understand. Aren't we supposed to be >> introducting flying, airplanes, and pilots to "the masses" so that >> when the local governments want to close our airports to build more >> homes, people don't say "pilots? Just a bunch of rich, snobby, rich >> boys, here's the keys to the bulldozer?" >> >> I'm sure there are stories like the ones John described below. But I >> also know that the vast majority of people respect the airplanes and >> heed the signs thereon. In fact, in that entire RV area at OSH last >> year, I don't recall seeing a single wrapper. Maybe that side of the >> field is just more respectful. >> >> I don't know what the solution is. But I think an automatic "they're >> the public, therefor they shouldn't be allowed near us" is probably >> not the first one I'd recommend. >> >> The idea of staking out a rope around your aircraft might be a good >> start, but I also think we need to be proactive in coming up with >> ways to present a better image of who we are, why we fly, and why >> non-flyers should protect what we do. >> >> >> Bob Collins >> RV Builder's Hotline >> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com >> >> -------- >> Bob Collins >> St. Paul, Minn. >> RV Builder's Hotline (free!) >> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84030#84030 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 12/28/2006 12:31 PM >> >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, '227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:17 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes From: "Bob Collins" gert.v(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: > having worked for many a year now at Oshkosh i can attest to the horror > stories, i have seen the wing as diaper change areas, i have seen folks > poking in fabric covered wings and caught folks stuffing coke cans in > exhausts, folding chairs stacked 4 deep against the fiberglass bodies, I say this only HALF in jest. Ban strollers. I hate strollers. Folks are pushing strollers, looking up and BANG...right into my ankles. Seriously, I too have seen the crowds along the flightline. I don't think I'd park there. Plus the atmosphere in the South 40 is wayyyyyyyy too cool to ever want to leave. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84074#84074 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:33 PM PST US From: Paul Trotter Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes I expect this will backfire on them. Either no one will fly in anymore because they will worry about damage, or SNF will end up with a lot of lawsuits for damage. I assume they will claim that they have the appropriate security to protect planes and in doing so will open them up to a negligence claim if something happens. Getting the public interested in flying is all well and good, but allowing people who have no understanding, and in many cases no respect, close to expensive planes is probably not a good idea. I would definitely think twice about flying in. Paul DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Collins" Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes > > > gert.v(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> having worked for many a year now at Oshkosh i can attest to the horror >> stories, i have seen the wing as diaper change areas, i have seen folks >> poking in fabric covered wings and caught folks stuffing coke cans in >> exhausts, folding chairs stacked 4 deep against the fiberglass bodies, > > > I say this only HALF in jest. Ban strollers. I hate strollers. Folks are > pushing strollers, looking up and BANG...right into my ankles. > > Seriously, I too have seen the crowds along the flightline. I don't think > I'd park there. Plus the atmosphere in the South 40 is wayyyyyyyy too cool > to ever want to leave. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84074#84074 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:30 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire As per Van's, I used thick-walled plastic tubing...the same stuff used for brake tubing in some spots. The safety wire runs through the plastic, and the plastic serves as anti-chafe. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1162 hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarg314" Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire > > My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the > safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull the > lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just stretched > a string across there today and it is clear that the safety wire would rub > against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story on both sides of > the engine. > > I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition > the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of > some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. (Come > to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.) > > Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I > missing something here? > -- > Tom S., RV-6A, wiring > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:49 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes Sun-N-Fun has always been an independent corporation. It's funny how perspective works. I'm a 32 year volunteer ..... never missed a one ..... and changes never came easy. Those changes that were seen as 'like Oshkosh' were resented ...... and those that weren't ...... were still resented. Changes are inevitable ...... but most of the 'old timers' still long for 'the good old days'. Linn ..... do not archive Brian Meyette wrote: > >Interesting info - I didn't realize SNF was not an EAA function. >brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Point >Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:48 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: SNF Changes > > >Wow. Thanks for the heads up. This is a terrible decision on SnF's >part. I know they've cut their ties to EAA, but does that mean that >they can't learn from the mistakes of EAA? > >Jeff Point >do not archive > > > > >>* >>* >> >> > > >-- >12:22 AM > >-- >12:22 AM > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:03 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire In a message dated 12/28/2006 3:39:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sarg314@comcast.net writes: My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story on both sides of the engine. I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. (Come to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.) Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I missing something here? ===================================== Mine are threaded rods from the hobby store that I bent a joggle in fitted with springs (to allow for movement) and high temp lock nuts and they have worked fine. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 830hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:31 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire I used a threaded rod.....(4-40? dont remember) to pull the baffles togethe r and to keep it from rubbing on the tubes I placed car fuel line over the drain tubes....you know, slice it down one side and slip it on, 400 plus ho urs and it works great.....so far!=0A =0AScott Bilinski=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: sarg314 =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33:20 PM=0ASubj ect: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire=0A=0A=0A--> RV-List message posted by: sarg314 =0A=0A My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the =0Asafety wire on the underside of the cy linders that is supposed to pull =0Athe lower ends of the baffles tight aro und the cooling fins. I just =0Astretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety =0Awire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story =0Aon both sides of the engine.=0A=0A I gue ss I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition =0Athe safe ty wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of =0Asome so rt to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. =0A(Come to t hink of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.)=0A=0A Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I =0Amis ==================0A=0A__________________ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:05 PM PST US From: G McNutt Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire Hi Tom Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. If you want a nice fix use 1/8 stainless welding rod instead of wire. After cutting and forming, thread each end of the rod for #4 fiber lock nuts. To allow for expansion & contraction use washers then small compression springs between the nut and baffle flange (flanges are held by spring pressure not nut tension). The welding rod is stiff enough that it does not need to run straight and can be shaped to fit under/around the oil line. George in Langley BC Tom wrote ---------------------------- > My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the > safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull > the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just > stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety > wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same > story on both sides of the engine. > > I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to > reposition the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a > little bracket of some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push > the wire down. (Come to think of it, it would probably wear through > anything I put there.) > > Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am > I missing something here? > -- > Tom S., RV-6A, wiring > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:31 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire Quoting Dan Checkoway : > > As per Van's, I used thick-walled plastic tubing...the same stuff used for > brake tubing in some spots. The safety wire runs through the plastic, and > the plastic serves as anti-chafe. > > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (1162 hours) > www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sarg314" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33 PM > Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire > > > > > > My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the > > safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull the > > lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just stretched > > a string across there today and it is clear that the safety wire would rub > > against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story on both sides of > > the engine. > > > > I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition > > the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of > > some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. (Come > > to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put there.) > > > > Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I > > missing something here? > > -- > > Tom S., RV-6A, wiring > > > >Tomn: The best, is go to a hobbie shop, you will find very fine steel rods, which actually have the right bends, where one need them. you cut it to lenght. They come with the nuts at each end. When you install them, you just tight each one accordingly, to get a good fir. If I recall, they come in packets...Where the airplanes kits etc.. Bert rv6a do not archive > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:43 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall Did you actually type in the serial numbers in the check form? My serial numbers contain F05 which appear to mean that they were made in Feb. 05, but I typed them in on the form and the results say that 3 of them are Recalled and 1 Not Recalled, which does not make any sense to me because they are numbered: 098 Recalled 099 Recalled 100 Not Recalled 101 Recalled I'll be calling Superior tomarrow :-( ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Jeff Point wrote: > > If it was a snake it would have bit me. Thankfully I dodged the bullet. > > Jeff > do not archive > >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:08 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Superior Cylinder Recall Mine were F05, but when I typed in the serial numbers in the online check form 3 were listed as Recalled. ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ G McNutt wrote: > > Hi Jeff > > That info is on this page, bottom of second or third paragraph. > http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ > I know how you feel, my engine was delivered in Nov 05 but cylinders > were manufactured in Feb 05. > > George in Langley BC > > > Jeff Point wrote: > >> Applies to cylinders manufactured April to November 2005 >> I didn't find this tidbit anywhere in the SB. Where did you get this >> info? >> > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:46 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire >From: G McNutt >Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. George in Langley BC > George, nice fix. However, Tom if you do want to go with the safety wire, use a washer on the outside of the tab. This will add more meat than just the tab and address the issue of the safety wire cutting through the tab. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:02 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Fuel Injection Line Run From: James H Nelson Hi Marty, I have the AFP fuel injection vertical system. I ran my line from the spider down thru the baffle and then back above the inlet pipes and then around the sump and down to the controller. I had to provide a support where it turns from the rearward direction to the center and downward direction. I can do some pix if you want. I'll attach some that I already have. I found that the AFP lines were too long. I had them provide a 45 deg. fitting and then I cut the line from the fuel pump to the controller so it had a smooth run to the controller. The 45 deg. fitting allowed the line to clear the tri gear mount and go nicely to the controller. The "battery and fuel line cable support" pix shows how I attached the line as it came down from the spider and ran it rearward. The "throttle cable bracket---" pix shows the hose coming from the spider that was repositioned via a adel clamp at the back end of the throttle support bracket. The line now runs along the gold / white interface of the two brackets thru the adel clamp where it then turns toward the center and then down to the fuel controller. Maybe this will help. Lengths of hose partly determine where the lines will run. I tried to keep them away from the exhaust system as much as possible. I'll probably put heat reflective aluminized tape around the critical areas where it comes close .... Jim Nelson ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:44 PM PST US From: Phil Birkelbach Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire Yep, that's the ticket. Simple and effective but Dan forgot his own hint about using small washers on each end of the safety wire to keep the wire from pulling through the aluminum baffles. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Phil On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Dan Checkoway wrote: > > As per Van's, I used thick-walled plastic tubing...the same stuff > used for brake tubing in some spots. The safety wire runs through > the plastic, and the plastic serves as anti-chafe. > > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (1162 hours) > www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarg314" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:33 PM > Subject: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire > > >> >> My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in >> the safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed >> to pull the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling >> fins. I just stretched a string across there today and it is >> clear that the safety wire would rub against one of the oil return >> lines. It's the same story on both sides of the engine. >> >> I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to >> reposition the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a >> little bracket of some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to >> push the wire down. (Come to think of it, it would probably wear >> through anything I put there.) >> >> Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or >> am I missing something here? >> -- >> Tom S., RV-6A, wiring >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:10 PM PST US From: "Randy Lervold" Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire I used a bit different method... I first riveted a doubler on the flanges, then used a pop rivet where the safety wire goes through the flange with the mandrel punched out. The safety wire goes through the pop rivet then. Provides better protection from the safety wire than a washer. Randy Lervold www.rv-3.com www.rv-8.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "G McNutt" Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire > > Hi Tom > > Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. If you want a nice fix > use 1/8 stainless welding rod instead of wire. > After cutting and forming, thread each end of the rod for #4 fiber lock > nuts. To allow for expansion & contraction use washers then small > compression springs between the nut and baffle flange (flanges are held > by spring pressure not nut tension). The welding rod is stiff enough that > it does not need to run straight and can be shaped to fit under/around the > oil line. > > George in Langley BC > > > Tom wrote ---------------------------- >> My engine baffles were installed long ago, but I never put in the >> safety wire on the underside of the cylinders that is supposed to pull >> the lower ends of the baffles tight around the cooling fins. I just >> stretched a string across there today and it is clear that the safety >> wire would rub against one of the oil return lines. It's the same story >> on both sides of the engine. >> >> I guess I could extend the little flange of the baffle to reposition >> the safety wire attach point lower, or I could rivet a little bracket of >> some sort to the to the intercylinder baffle to push the wire down. >> (Come to think of it, it would probably wear through anything I put >> there.) >> >> Does any one have a tried and true solution to this problem? Or am I >> missing something here? >> -- >> Tom S., RV-6A, wiring >> > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:18 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: engine baffle safety wire I believe the plans for the baffle show a fairly heavy aluminum doubler at those tabs. I think I used 1/8" stock. Terry >From: G McNutt >Wire will eventually cut through the baffle tabs. George in Langley BC > George, nice fix. However, Tom if you do want to go with the safety wire, use a washer on the outside of the tab. This will add more meat than just the tab and address the issue of the safety wire cutting through the tab. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.