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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (JOHN STARN)
2. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Jeff Point)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank sender gasket (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (LarryRobertHelming)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: Roll Servo Installation (Chris Brooks)
6. 09:09 AM - SNF Changes (James H Nelson)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Joseph Larson)
8. 10:37 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Chuck Jensen)
9. 10:45 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Ron Lee)
10. 11:18 AM - Kitplanes, RVs, Primer, Tail Draggers, Sliding canopy, Miracles, Jehova, bolts, nuts, rivets, oops, insurance and anything else I can thin k of (Wheeler North)
11. 12:10 PM - Re: registration results (JOHN STARN)
12. 08:21 PM - Re: Kitplanes attacks ()
13. 09:03 PM - "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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Thanks again Jeff. KABONG HRII N561FS four bladed MT prop and huge
campsite 8*) Osh 2004 Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes
This is exactly why I am getting fed up with the EAA. They have lost
touch with reality and safety and are looking for the bucks, to hell
with common sense is their motto now. Thanks to Jeff and all the unpaid
workers at OSH who do a GREAT job in spite of the high command..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com> wrote:
LarryRobertHelming wrote:
> Talking about parking tail to nose and nose to tail, they started
> doing this at OSH last year when I arrived. Someone got it changed
in
> quick order within 30 minutes. I was there and did not like the
> arrangement but was happy to move SunSeeker to a new roll and have
the
> lines uniform. I think it is better for spectators and owners.
Larry
> in Indiana
Larry,
I'm the guy in charge of RV parking, and I can give you some insight
into why this was done and why it was changed. When it comes to RV
parking, we have the problem every year of putting more planes into
the
same size space. We've been telling EAA for years that we need more
space, but what we get is never enough. Anyway, this year someone
higher than me in the food chain had the brain child to tail-in the
parking rows. I told them why it was a bad idea and why it wouldn't
work. He told us to do it anyway.
So... what you saw on Saturday morning was the result. We weren't any
more happy about it than anyone else (my RV-6 was right in there
tailed
in with everyone else.) We tried our best to be good soldiers and
make
it work, but as soon as arrivals started, it became clear that it just
wasn't going to work. Pilots were on the verge of mutiny. I decided
to
re-mark all the parking rows and move everyone into single file, as
we've done for years. It was a lot of work for about an hour, but we
got the cones and markers moved, and got everyone into proper rows,
thankfully before it got too busy.
When my boss found out he was less than thrilled, but I think we made
him understand. I suspect that the specter of tailing in might raise
it's ugly head again this year, but we've told them in no uncertain
terms that we will never try that again. So, if you see RVs tailed in
next year, it means that I have been fired and replaced, so don't
blame
me. ;)
Jeff Point
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>
> RV week at OSH! Or maybe Rockford or Appleton would like to host the
> RV community for the week?
How's about Santa Teresa, NM? You just have to wait a couple months.
> And if Jeff Point gets fired for doing the right thing, I'm
> staying home!!!
Don't worry your pretty little head (!?!) They have to find somebody to
replace me first, and volunteers ain't exactly lining up.
Jeff
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> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank sender gasket |
In the RV7 world, which should not be too much different than the RV10
world, the seals are left out and proseal is used exclusively. No leaks in
1.5 years. It was not too big a job to remove the seals and redo. Larry in
Indiana
----- Original Message ----- >
> After filling the tanks with Avgas to check for leaks, within a week the
> Avgas has caused the rubber gaskets to deform and bulge, causing a major
> leak.
>
> I am contemplating doing what many other builders before me recommended,
> leave the gasket out and proseal the sender unit in place.
>
> I want to share this experience with all those that might be thinking
> along the same lines as I was.
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Point" <jpoint@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes
>
>>
>> RV week at OSH! Or maybe Rockford or Appleton would like to host the RV
>> community for the week?
> How's about Santa Teresa, NM? You just have to wait a couple months.
>> And if Jeff Point gets fired for doing the right thing, I'm staying
>> home!!!
Me too.........
> Don't worry your pretty little head (!?!) They have to find somebody to
> replace me first, and volunteers ain't exactly lining up.
Jeff, thank you for your reply and hard work. You got them over a barrel.
Larry down in Indiana
>
> Jeff
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Roll Servo Installation |
Bob, If you want the easy way out go to safeair1.com and order the servo
mounting kit. It worked for me.
Chris Brooks
RV6 N164CB
Murfreesboro TN
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Hi Mark,
That is a good idea. I'm sure that one of the "local" airports
would put us up on their field. There is strength in numbers. I'm
building (and soon to fly) and want to see only the RV's for ideas along
with the builders. Rockford is big enough and still small enough. Its
served by some airlines and its easy driving distance from Chicago or
Milwaukee. Madison Ws is of similar distance. I'm not interested in
Oshkosh because its become way to big and crowded. Sun-N-Fun is at my
back door but I won't attend it either. A small fly-in is just fine for
me. The vendors I know find the big fly-ins very expensive. Is this
about money? Its seems to be that way. Just my rant and MHO.
Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who
actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same
people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff
aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue.
My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting
department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the
rest of the company.
-Joe
On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote:
> I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as
> Kit
> Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years.
> One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the
> subscription
> renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a
> few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is
> about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to
> that
> effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in
> collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to
> all
> of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and
> beyond.
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| Subject: | Kitplanes attack |
Joe,
I agree that the business side of the company often dictates and engage
in practices unknown to the editors, writers and other contributors. I
generally rate the content quality high for IFR, Av Consumer and Belvoir
other mags. However, since we have no way of segmenting Belvoir media
from Belvoir business, then the folks that toil to put out a good read
will be unfairly tarnished by association.
In all likelihood, it was the business side of Belvoir that ungraciously
noticed Barry. Hopefully, they'll come to realize they have overstepped
the bounds of reasonableness and will withdraw any, implied or
otherwise, threats. And, if Belvoir business is watching, please know
that henceforth, in all communications, databases, spreadsheets and for
general purposes, I do hereby swear to use 'wf' to designate wood and
fabric aircraft---come and get me.
Finally, regarding Belvoir renewal practices, I hate having to keep a
log of the date and length of renewal for each of their mags to prevent
multiple renewals. That imposition, small that it is, is caused by
their practice of trying to unfairly and unreasonably to reach into my
pocket to extract money for which they have no justifiable claim, other
than they would like to claim it for themselves if they can get away
with it. Shame on them.
Chuck Jensen
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Larson
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who
actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same
people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff
aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue.
My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting
department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the
rest of the company.
-Joe
On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote:
> I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as
> Kit
> Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years.
> One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the
> subscription
> renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a
> few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is
> about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to
> that
> effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in
> collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to
> all
> of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and
> beyond.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
At 10:48 AM 12/31/2006, you wrote:
>
>I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who
>actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same
>people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff
>aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue.
>
>My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting
>department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the
>rest of the company.
And yet they are the same company so questionable practices by any department
reflect upon the whole company.
Ron Lee
do not archive
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| Subject: | Kitplanes, RVs, Primer, Tail Draggers, Sliding canopy, Miracles, |
Jehova, bolts, nuts, rivets, oops, insurance and anything else I can thin
k of
Stien,
While I know you have had good experiences with these folks I have to say
I've had nothing but negative experiences with Kitplanes. Fortunately this
had been limited because once burned I tend to avoid any further exposure.
However, on not one, but two occasions I was not able to avoid this because
I won subscriptions to this rag (I would love to throw in a negative
adjective here but sadly I have never read it) just by being in the room.
And on both occasions they refused to actually deliver even though they
acknowledged they had sponsered the contest and that I had won.
It's good to know about the other products produced by this company as I
will also be sure to boycott them and to spred the word about their
unethical practices.
While I do agree that the copyright laws are very clear about one having to
demonstrate that they are attempting to protect their property, the exchange
posted was desgined to intimidate, not fact find to see if there was a
violation. That is inappropriate and unethical and particularly stupid
coming from a company whose source of income is based upon public
perception.
I am very content about this as over the years I have had the opportunity to
share the above negative experiences with many folks and have hopefully cost
them some significant business. I would suggest we all continue to do the
same. And may God continue to bless the American Way.
W
PS, I have also had a similar experience with Sport Aviation where they
published an article of mine but then renigged on the prize which was to be
some snap-off tools and a gift cert from ACS. Snap-off continued to refuse
and was summarily thrown off of my place of business (they lost at least $20
to 50K in business for that) and Jim Irwin of ACS said S/A was being a bunch
of pinheads and personally mailed the $25 certificate to me (for which they
have received at least $50 to $100k in business from me). As well, EAA did
not receive any dues from me until such time as I felt that person was no
longer with S/A.
PPSS and by all means archive this sucker and send it to everyone who is
searching for anything, hence all the key words in the subject heading...
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| Subject: | Re: registration results |
Believe all of us out. Robin, none of us wanted to, or want to get you
started on anything. Do Not Archive this either. KABONG
>
> Please don't get me started on Katrina, the Bankruptcy Bill, WMD,
> Domestic Spying, No Child Left Behind, the Clean Air Act.....
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attacks |
I found one the most awesome, complete online plane directories (including kit
planes) on line. I am not on my main computer, I'll post when I can. I did a Google
and could not find it but with "experimental aircraft directory" I got a
few other list and sites with vendors and info. Screw Kitplanes. When they threaten
lawsuit against one in a small tight community they are going to do more
damage then good. Remember JPI instruments BS against Matt? People are still
pissed what they did to Matt.
How many less paper directories or online fees are they going to sell because
of a RV builders site? NONE. Besides the site I am talking about is excellent.
I'll take great pride in posting,
***Free online Kit Plane Directory sites, better than kit planes directory that
cost $20 to view for a month.****
I'll email kit plane as well and tell them why I am not buying their magazine
or directory.
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) |
In a message dated 12/31/2006 11:11:31 AM Central Standard Time,
rv9jim@juno.com writes:
Rockford is big enough and still small enough.
>>>
You reminded me- JVL (Janesville) would be a kick-butt location too- Class
D, multiple rwys, several FBOs, right next to I-90, lots of motels/restaurants
etc. Think about this folks- All RVs gather at one of the nearby fields -
Appleton, Janesville, Madison, maybe even Fon du Lac as their primary nesting
spot and those who just gotta run up to OSH for shopping, judging, or a burning
desire to see all those Ford/John Deere/Aeroshell commercials could hop up for
the day, then back to campsite for some serious RV bonding. Maybe even get
some of the formation groups (FFI, TeamRV, Ohio Valley etc.) to do
clinics/airshows- propbably even better staging point for their forays into the
big show-
how cool would that be?
Think EAA would notice? Hell, they might even support something like this.
Two locations to generate more ca$h!
Or not...
Mark do not archive & oh yeah, HNY!!!!
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