---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/31/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (JOHN STARN) 2. 12:53 AM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (Jeff Point) 3. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank sender gasket (LarryRobertHelming) 4. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: SNF Changes (LarryRobertHelming) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: Roll Servo Installation (Chris Brooks) 6. 09:09 AM - SNF Changes (James H Nelson) 7. 09:48 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Joseph Larson) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Chuck Jensen) 9. 10:45 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Ron Lee) 10. 11:18 AM - Kitplanes, RVs, Primer, Tail Draggers, Sliding canopy, Miracles, Jehova, bolts, nuts, rivets, oops, insurance and anything else I can thin k of (Wheeler North) 11. 12:10 PM - Re: registration results (JOHN STARN) 12. 08:21 PM - Re: Kitplanes attacks () 13. 09:03 PM - "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) (Fiveonepw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:26 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes Thanks again Jeff. KABONG HRII N561FS four bladed MT prop and huge campsite 8*) Osh 2004 Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes This is exactly why I am getting fed up with the EAA. They have lost touch with reality and safety and are looking for the bucks, to hell with common sense is their motto now. Thanks to Jeff and all the unpaid workers at OSH who do a GREAT job in spite of the high command.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Jeff Point wrote: LarryRobertHelming wrote: > Talking about parking tail to nose and nose to tail, they started > doing this at OSH last year when I arrived. Someone got it changed in > quick order within 30 minutes. I was there and did not like the > arrangement but was happy to move SunSeeker to a new roll and have the > lines uniform. I think it is better for spectators and owners. Larry > in Indiana Larry, I'm the guy in charge of RV parking, and I can give you some insight into why this was done and why it was changed. When it comes to RV parking, we have the problem every year of putting more planes into the same size space. We've been telling EAA for years that we need more space, but what we get is never enough. Anyway, this year someone higher than me in the food chain had the brain child to tail-in the parking rows. I told them why it was a bad idea and why it wouldn't work. He told us to do it anyway. So... what you saw on Saturday morning was the result. We weren't any more happy about it than anyone else (my RV-6 was right in there tailed in with everyone else.) We tried our best to be good soldiers and make it work, but as soon as arrivals started, it became clear that it just wasn't going to work. Pilots were on the verge of mutiny. I decided to re-mark all the parking rows and move everyone into single file, as we've done for years. It was a lot of work for about an hour, but we got the cones and markers moved, and got everyone into proper rows, thankfully before it got too busy. When my boss found out he was less than thrilled, but I think we made him understand. I suspect that the specter of tailing in might raise it's ugly head again this year, but we've told them in no uncertain terms that we will never try that again. So, if you see RVs tailed in next year, it means that I have been fired and replaced, so don't blame me. ;) Jeff Point do not archive > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:07 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes > > RV week at OSH! Or maybe Rockford or Appleton would like to host the > RV community for the week? How's about Santa Teresa, NM? You just have to wait a couple months. > And if Jeff Point gets fired for doing the right thing, I'm > staying home!!! Don't worry your pretty little head (!?!) They have to find somebody to replace me first, and volunteers ain't exactly lining up. Jeff do not archive > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:12 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Fuel tank sender gasket In the RV7 world, which should not be too much different than the RV10 world, the seals are left out and proseal is used exclusively. No leaks in 1.5 years. It was not too big a job to remove the seals and redo. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- > > After filling the tanks with Avgas to check for leaks, within a week the > Avgas has caused the rubber gaskets to deform and bulge, causing a major > leak. > > I am contemplating doing what many other builders before me recommended, > leave the gasket out and proseal the sender unit in place. > > I want to share this experience with all those that might be thinking > along the same lines as I was. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:33 AM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Point" Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: SNF Changes > >> >> RV week at OSH! Or maybe Rockford or Appleton would like to host the RV >> community for the week? > How's about Santa Teresa, NM? You just have to wait a couple months. >> And if Jeff Point gets fired for doing the right thing, I'm staying >> home!!! Me too......... > Don't worry your pretty little head (!?!) They have to find somebody to > replace me first, and volunteers ain't exactly lining up. Jeff, thank you for your reply and hard work. You got them over a barrel. Larry down in Indiana > > Jeff > > do not archive >> * >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:09 AM PST US From: "Chris Brooks" Subject: Re: RV-List: Roll Servo Installation Bob, If you want the easy way out go to safeair1.com and order the servo mounting kit. It worked for me. Chris Brooks RV6 N164CB Murfreesboro TN _________________________________________________________________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:28 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: SNF Changes From: James H Nelson Hi Mark, That is a good idea. I'm sure that one of the "local" airports would put us up on their field. There is strength in numbers. I'm building (and soon to fly) and want to see only the RV's for ideas along with the builders. Rockford is big enough and still small enough. Its served by some airlines and its easy driving distance from Chicago or Milwaukee. Madison Ws is of similar distance. I'm not interested in Oshkosh because its become way to big and crowded. Sun-N-Fun is at my back door but I won't attend it either. A small fly-in is just fine for me. The vendors I know find the big fly-ins very expensive. Is this about money? Its seems to be that way. Just my rant and MHO. Jim Nelson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:42 AM PST US From: Joseph Larson Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue. My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the rest of the company. -Joe On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote: > I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as > Kit > Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years. > One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the > subscription > renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a > few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is > about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to > that > effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in > collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to > all > of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and > beyond. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Kitplanes attack From: "Chuck Jensen" Joe, I agree that the business side of the company often dictates and engage in practices unknown to the editors, writers and other contributors. I generally rate the content quality high for IFR, Av Consumer and Belvoir other mags. However, since we have no way of segmenting Belvoir media from Belvoir business, then the folks that toil to put out a good read will be unfairly tarnished by association. In all likelihood, it was the business side of Belvoir that ungraciously noticed Barry. Hopefully, they'll come to realize they have overstepped the bounds of reasonableness and will withdraw any, implied or otherwise, threats. And, if Belvoir business is watching, please know that henceforth, in all communications, databases, spreadsheets and for general purposes, I do hereby swear to use 'wf' to designate wood and fabric aircraft---come and get me. Finally, regarding Belvoir renewal practices, I hate having to keep a log of the date and length of renewal for each of their mags to prevent multiple renewals. That imposition, small that it is, is caused by their practice of trying to unfairly and unreasonably to reach into my pocket to extract money for which they have no justifiable claim, other than they would like to claim it for themselves if they can get away with it. Shame on them. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Larson Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue. My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the rest of the company. -Joe On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote: > I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as > Kit > Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years. > One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the > subscription > renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a > few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is > about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to > that > effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in > collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to > all > of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and > beyond. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:10 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack At 10:48 AM 12/31/2006, you wrote: > >I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who >actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same >people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff >aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue. > >My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting >department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the >rest of the company. And yet they are the same company so questionable practices by any department reflect upon the whole company. Ron Lee do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:30 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Kitplanes, RVs, Primer, Tail Draggers, Sliding canopy, Miracles, Jehova, bolts, nuts, rivets, oops, insurance and anything else I can thin k of Stien, While I know you have had good experiences with these folks I have to say I've had nothing but negative experiences with Kitplanes. Fortunately this had been limited because once burned I tend to avoid any further exposure. However, on not one, but two occasions I was not able to avoid this because I won subscriptions to this rag (I would love to throw in a negative adjective here but sadly I have never read it) just by being in the room. And on both occasions they refused to actually deliver even though they acknowledged they had sponsered the contest and that I had won. It's good to know about the other products produced by this company as I will also be sure to boycott them and to spred the word about their unethical practices. While I do agree that the copyright laws are very clear about one having to demonstrate that they are attempting to protect their property, the exchange posted was desgined to intimidate, not fact find to see if there was a violation. That is inappropriate and unethical and particularly stupid coming from a company whose source of income is based upon public perception. I am very content about this as over the years I have had the opportunity to share the above negative experiences with many folks and have hopefully cost them some significant business. I would suggest we all continue to do the same. And may God continue to bless the American Way. W PS, I have also had a similar experience with Sport Aviation where they published an article of mine but then renigged on the prize which was to be some snap-off tools and a gift cert from ACS. Snap-off continued to refuse and was summarily thrown off of my place of business (they lost at least $20 to 50K in business for that) and Jim Irwin of ACS said S/A was being a bunch of pinheads and personally mailed the $25 certificate to me (for which they have received at least $50 to $100k in business from me). As well, EAA did not receive any dues from me until such time as I felt that person was no longer with S/A. PPSS and by all means archive this sucker and send it to everyone who is searching for anything, hence all the key words in the subject heading... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:07 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: registration results Believe all of us out. Robin, none of us wanted to, or want to get you started on anything. Do Not Archive this either. KABONG > > Please don't get me started on Katrina, the Bankruptcy Bill, WMD, > Domestic Spying, No Child Left Behind, the Clean Air Act..... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:31 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: Kitplanes attacks I found one the most awesome, complete online plane directories (including kit planes) on line. I am not on my main computer, I'll post when I can. I did a Google and could not find it but with "experimental aircraft directory" I got a few other list and sites with vendors and info. Screw Kitplanes. When they threaten lawsuit against one in a small tight community they are going to do more damage then good. Remember JPI instruments BS against Matt? People are still pissed what they did to Matt. How many less paper directories or online fees are they going to sell because of a RV builders site? NONE. Besides the site I am talking about is excellent. I'll take great pride in posting, ***Free online Kit Plane Directory sites, better than kit planes directory that cost $20 to view for a month.**** I'll email kit plane as well and tell them why I am not buying their magazine or directory. __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:46 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) In a message dated 12/31/2006 11:11:31 AM Central Standard Time, rv9jim@juno.com writes: Rockford is big enough and still small enough. >>> You reminded me- JVL (Janesville) would be a kick-butt location too- Class D, multiple rwys, several FBOs, right next to I-90, lots of motels/restaurants etc. Think about this folks- All RVs gather at one of the nearby fields - Appleton, Janesville, Madison, maybe even Fon du Lac as their primary nesting spot and those who just gotta run up to OSH for shopping, judging, or a burning desire to see all those Ford/John Deere/Aeroshell commercials could hop up for the day, then back to campsite for some serious RV bonding. Maybe even get some of the formation groups (FFI, TeamRV, Ohio Valley etc.) to do clinics/airshows- propbably even better staging point for their forays into the big show- how cool would that be? Think EAA would notice? Hell, they might even support something like this. Two locations to generate more ca$h! Or not... Mark do not archive & oh yeah, HNY!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.