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1. 04:02 AM - Re: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) (Bob Collins)
2. 06:28 AM - AvWeb 1/1/07 (Bill Boyd)
3. 06:59 AM - [Fw: Re: Van's RV-6A]. [RV W & B] (Richard Dudley)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Van's RV-6A]. [RV W & B] (Chuck Jensen)
5. 08:30 AM - Outside Air Temp add on (Tim Bryan)
6. 08:34 AM - Aircraft Logbook requirements (Tim Bryan)
7. 09:17 AM - Re: AvWeb 1/1/07 (Terry Watson)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Leland Collins)
9. 11:41 AM - Re: Outside Air Temp add on (Vanremog@aol.com)
10. 12:51 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (WILLIAM AGSTER)
11. 01:10 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (WILLIAM AGSTER)
12. 01:49 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Bob Collins)
13. 02:00 PM - Re: Aircraft Logbook requirements (RV6 Flyer)
14. 04:00 PM - "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) (James H Nelson)
15. 04:07 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Rob Prior)
16. 05:12 PM - Re: registration results (Robin Marks)
17. 05:18 PM - Re: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) (Bob Collins)
18. 05:20 PM - GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Robin Marks)
19. 05:24 PM - Re: Outside Air Temp add on (David Leonard)
20. 05:26 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
21. 05:42 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Charlie England)
22. 06:22 PM - Re: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) (Bobby Hester)
23. 06:34 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Walter Tondu)
24. 07:30 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Rob Prior)
25. 07:59 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Jerry Calvert)
26. 08:02 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (Jerry Calvert)
27. 11:32 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
28. 11:34 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) |
You know, as I look back at '06, the highlight of my year was -- again --
Oshkosh and, in particular, the RV Builders BBQ. Oshkosh isn't about
Poberezny, or EAA, or corporate folks... unless you make it that. So be sure
you know what it really is you're walking away from.
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fiveonepw@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF
Changes)
In a message dated 12/31/2006 11:11:31 AM Central Standard Time,
rv9jim@juno.com writes:
Rockford is big enough and still small enough.
>>>
You reminded me- JVL (Janesville) would be a kick-butt location too- Class
D, multiple rwys, several FBOs, right next to I-90, lots of
motels/restaurants etc. Think about this folks- All RVs gather at one of
the nearby fields - Appleton, Janesville, Madison, maybe even Fon du Lac as
their primary nesting spot and those who just gotta run up to OSH for
shopping, judging, or a burning desire to see all those Ford/John
Deere/Aeroshell commercials could hop up for the day, then back to campsite
for some serious RV bonding. Maybe even get some of the formation groups
(FFI, TeamRV, Ohio Valley etc.) to do clinics/airshows- propbably even
better staging point for their forays into the big show- how cool would that
be?
Think EAA would notice? Hell, they might even support something like this.
Two locations to generate more ca$h!
Or not...
Mark do not archive & oh yeah, HNY!!!!
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Golly, today's Av Web reads like the April Fools' edition - whooda thunkit?
Direct-To avionics and Chelton in deep kimshee over their order
fulfillment woes (thanks, GRT, for being the faithful little David in
a field of industry Goliaths), spam-can owners told that lots of FBO's
won't wrench on their planes if they are older than 18 years (what's
that -90% of the GA fleet?!), the tower unaware of the tornado that
decimated Embry Riddle near one of the runways (the landing airliner
first advised them of the devastation), a couple nearly killed by
cockpit carbon monoxide _while taxiing out_ (okay, probably one of
those > 18 year-old airplanes!)
Is it just me, or is that a lot of weird news in one edition? Maybe
it's due to the ownership by the parent company of KitPlanes ;-)
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Van's RV-6A]. [RV W & B] |
FWIW,
I saw a rather neat W&B software program output recently. Curious about
details, I sent an e-mail below to inquire. The response and my reply
are also below.
RH Dudley
-6A flying
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Van's RV-6A
From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
References: <000901c72c78$0c651fc0$6101a8c0@RHD>
<023b01c72d87$99980460$6401a8c0@EFLITE001>
Mr. Kauffman:
Thanks for your reply.
For $100USD I'll do ok with my Lotus 1-2-3.
I might even be able to come up with a graphical output.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
eFlite Sales wrote:
> Thank you for contacting eFlite. We have an RV-4 on file and can
> initialize a program for the RV-6. If good W&B records were provided
> for your aircraft that included the various ARMS (seats, baggage and
> fuel) and the CG envelope diagram, I would estimate 1.5 hours to
> complete the software (approximately $100 USD). Let me know what you
> would like to do and we can go from there!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael Kauffman
> eFlite, Inc.
> PO Box 116
> Mapleton, IL 61547
> 800-505-2795 Toll Free
> 309-389-2795 Office
> 309-389-2895 Fax
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rhdudley1 <mailto:rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
> To: sales@eflite.com <mailto:sales@eflite.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:07 PM
> Subject: Van's RV-6A
>
> Gentlemen:
> Have you applied your software to Van's RV-6A?
>
> RHDudley
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Van's RV-6A]. [RV W & B] |
Well, if they spend 1.5 hours and produce a nifty, attractive W&B
package and only charge a hundred bucks, that's pretty reasonable.
Though I know a fellow that will open a can of beans for you for five
bucks....or you can do it yourself. It's all a matter of how much
personal service you're interested in.
Chuck Jensen
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Dudley
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: RV-List: [Fwd: Re: Van's RV-6A]. [RV W & B]
FWIW,
I saw a rather neat W&B software program output recently. Curious about
details, I sent an e-mail below to inquire. The response and my reply
are also below.
RH Dudley
-6A flying
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Van's RV-6A
From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
<mailto:rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
References: <000901c72c78$0c651fc0$6101a8c0@RHD>
<023b01c72d87$99980460$6401a8c0@EFLITE001>
Mr. Kauffman:
Thanks for your reply.
For $100USD I'll do ok with my Lotus 1-2-3.
I might even be able to come up with a graphical output.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
eFlite Sales wrote:
Thank you for contacting eFlite. We have an RV-4 on file and can
initialize a program for the RV-6. If good W&B records were provided for
your aircraft that included the various ARMS (seats, baggage and fuel)
and the CG envelope diagram, I would estimate 1.5 hours to complete the
software (approximately $100 USD). Let me know what you would like to do
and we can go from there!
Sincerely,
Michael Kauffman
eFlite, Inc.
PO Box 116
Mapleton, IL 61547
800-505-2795 Toll Free
309-389-2795 Office
309-389-2895 Fax
----- Original Message -----
From: rhdudley1 <mailto:rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
To: sales@eflite.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: Van's RV-6A
Gentlemen:
Have you applied your software to Van's RV-6A?
RHDudley
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| Subject: | Outside Air Temp add on |
Hi all,
I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to
add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I
can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but
don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but
looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine.
Thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Aircraft Logbook requirements |
I have completed my phase I test flight time and need to make a note in the
aircraft logbook. Someone told me I am supposed to log every flight in
there as well. Is that so? I logged all my test flights in a separate
notebook, but not in the Ac logbook. What are the requirements?
Also on a second question: How do I get my repairmen certificate for my RV?
I am the builder and the current owner, but planning to transfer title to a
corp. I need to make sure I can get the repairmen cert for it.
By the way, if anybody in Texas has details of the tax situation here,
please contact me off list. Thanks
Thanks for any help as always
Tim Bryan
Frankston, Texas
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But don't miss the excellent video of Bob Hoover's famous power-off loop and
landing in a twin engine business airplane (Commander?) also available on
AvWeb today. I have regretted never seeing in live.
Terry
Subject: RV-List: AvWeb 1/1/07
Golly, today's Av Web reads like the April Fools' edition - whooda thunkit?
Direct-To avionics and Chelton in deep kimshee over their order
fulfillment woes (thanks, GRT, for being the faithful little David in
a field of industry Goliaths), spam-can owners told that lots of FBO's
won't wrench on their planes if they are older than 18 years (what's
that -90% of the GA fleet?!), the tower unaware of the tornado that
decimated Embry Riddle near one of the runways (the landing airliner
first advised them of the devastation), a couple nearly killed by
cockpit carbon monoxide _while taxiing out_ (okay, probably one of
those > 18 year-old airplanes!)
Is it just me, or is that a lot of weird news in one edition? Maybe
it's due to the ownership by the parent company of KitPlanes ;-)
-Stormy
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
I like Kitplanes better than SportAviation because they have more nut-and-bolt
articles and are more technical in general. Keep in mind that Kitplanes supports
the CAFE foundation by printing their results on occasion, whereas SportAviation
no longer does. Recall the campaign a few years ago when Van urged us to
write SportAviation regarding their policy on CAFE. I do like to look at the
pretty pictures in SportAviation.
Leland
RV9A, 140 hours, in painting
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84835#84835
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| Subject: | Re: Outside Air Temp add on |
In a message dated 1/1/2007 8:32:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
n616tb@btsapps.com writes:
I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to
add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I
can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but
don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but
looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine.
==============================================
Vision Microsystems has a separate OAT/CAT gauge package for use with the
legacy VM1000 system that is quite easy to retrofit. It is what I have. The
model number info is not currently accessible to me, but call VM tomorrow and
I'm certain that they can tell you what you'll need to order.
There are many other standalone OAT/CAT gauges available, if you should
choose to go that way.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 830hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
Great idea!
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris W<mailto:3edcft6@cox.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
<3edcft6@cox.net<mailto:3edcft6@cox.net>>
Brian Meyette wrote:
<brianpublic2@starband.net<mailto:brianpublic2@starband.net>>
>
> I got an email this morning from a Phil Penny at Belvoir Media
Group,
> claiming that Kitplanes magazine owns the homebuilt plane vendor
directory
> spreadsheet I created this fall from various sources, mainly the
Internet.
> He claims it's theirs because I used similar codes as they did in
their
> "pay-per-view" directory, like "wf" for wood & fabric, "m" for
metal, etc.
Stuff like this really gets on my nerves. I think it is always good
to
remind everyone that copyright and patent laws were written to promote
the free exchange of ideas, not to give someone exclusive eternal
rights
to something. In this case I don't see how they can claim rights to
the
data. I would change your logical abbreviations to symbols or maybe
graphics and then see what their complaint is. Another idea is to
make
it user maintained. So an automated site would let users submit
corrections to the data. That way you can say the data is entered by
any number of people and can't possibly be theirs. I would be glad to
help build the pages need to do this if you like.
I have a possible solution though. If the fight with their lawyers
becomes more than it is worth, just have someone else put it up on
their
web site. When they find out about it just move it again. I'm sure
there are several people here that have web sites up. I have a few web
sites I would be glad to post it on. Though none of them are aviation
related, I would even be willing to make an aviation related site just
for this. Of course I would eventually end up having other things
there
too.
--
Chris W
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage Necessary
envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it. Two is that
"Joe Blow's Airplane Company has to pay Kit Planes to be put in their
Directory. Kit Planes does not do it out of the goodness of their
heart. I think that Kit Planes should have long ago dumped all the
onesy twosy kits out there. I am still a subscriber who will not renew
again. Yes, I poured over the directories for a couple of years before
I made my choice, but the important stuff I wanted to know was;
How many plans had been sold?
How many kits sold?
Year kits/plans first made available?
How many completed?
Average completion time?
Percentage of plane not in the kit?
It finally took a lot of badgering to get them to finally put in
estimated completed costs. But some of this information is not wanted
out by Joe Blows paid for infomercial. Just look at how many exist in
the directory for 10 years or so and still there are less than 10
flying. Drop em!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Jensen<mailto:cjensen@dts9000.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
<cjensen@dts9000.com<mailto:cjensen@dts9000.com>>
I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as
Kit
Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years.
One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the
subscription
renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a
few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is
about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to
that
effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in
collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to
all
of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and
beyond.
This seems quite intentional and is, at best, a pretty dodgy practice.
Illegal, no, but it doesn't climb very high on the business ethics
pole
either. Given this practice, which I categorize as less than
sterling,
it does make me wonder about their intent with Barry's data list. Did
they just misunderstand Barry's intent, were they being aggressive or
were they being something else. However, one is inclined to give
Belvoir the benefit of some doubt, based on Stein's assuranced that
these are good people, but so far, I count two strikes against them.
Let's see how they settle this matter with Barry--I'll let that be the
tie breaker in my mind.
Chuck Jensen
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From:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.
com>
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McMullen
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:20 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
<kellym@aviating.com<mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
Keep in mind that Avweb is now owned and operated by Belvoir, partly
because the creators of Avweb were threatened by the aviation
litigation
attorney Allen Wolk and couldn't afford to fight.
Perhaps a bunch of letters of complaint to the other Belvoir
publications, such as Av Consumer, Lt Plane Maintenance, IFR, etc and
discontinuing those publications might get their attention.
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| Subject: | Kitplanes attack |
Maybe it's time for someone to have a calm discussion with the person who
sent the letter, get their side of it, maybe work out a solution, and see if
everyone can have a nice talk the way adults do.
You know... before we burn the town down and all.
I happen to like Kitplanes. I like their articles and I find them helpful
and I don't presently intend to unsubscribe. I don't like the aircraft
directly at all. I'm already building an RV and don't care what else is out
there. I don't like how it takes up space that could be taken up for
articles. But it's their biggest seller in over-the-counter sales so someone
does.
Bob
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage Necessary
envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it. Two is that "Joe
Blow's Airplane Company has to pay Kit Planes to be put in their Directory.
Kit Planes does not do it out of the goodness of their heart. I think that
Kit Planes should have long ago dumped all the onesy twosy kits out there.
I am still a subscriber who will not renew again. Yes, I poured over the
directories for a couple of years before I made my choice, but the important
stuff I wanted to know was;
How many plans had been sold?
How many kits sold?
Year kits/plans first made available?
How many completed?
Average completion time?
Percentage of plane not in the kit?
It finally took a lot of badgering to get them to finally put in estimated
completed costs. But some of this information is not wanted out by Joe
Blows paid for infomercial. Just look at how many exist in the directory
for 10 years or so and still there are less than 10 flying. Drop em!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Jensen <mailto:cjensen@dts9000.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as Kit
Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years.
One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the subscription
renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a
few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is
about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to that
effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in
collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to all
of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and
beyond.
This seems quite intentional and is, at best, a pretty dodgy practice.
Illegal, no, but it doesn't climb very high on the business ethics pole
either. Given this practice, which I categorize as less than sterling,
it does make me wonder about their intent with Barry's data list. Did
they just misunderstand Barry's intent, were they being aggressive or
were they being something else. However, one is inclined to give
Belvoir the benefit of some doubt, based on Stein's assuranced that
these are good people, but so far, I count two strikes against them.
Let's see how they settle this matter with Barry--I'll let that be the
tie breaker in my mind.
Chuck Jensen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
Keep in mind that Avweb is now owned and operated by Belvoir, partly
because the creators of Avweb were threatened by the aviation litigation
attorney Allen Wolk and couldn't afford to fight.
Perhaps a bunch of letters of complaint to the other Belvoir
publications, such as Av Consumer, Lt Plane Maintenance, IFR, etc and
discontinuing those publications might get their attention.
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| Subject: | Aircraft Logbook requirements |
I know of no requirement to log every test flight in the aircraft records.
If you find a requirement, please post it here or email me off list.
You do need to make an entry following the completion of Phase I in the
aircraft records. Check your operating limitations for wording. It should
say something like:
I certify that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and the
aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and
throughout all maneuvers to be executed, has no hazardous operating
characteristics or design features, and is safe for operation. The following
aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the flight testing:
speeds Vso ______, Vx ______, and Vy ______, and the weight ______ and CG
location ______ at which they were obtained.
The above verbiage is from FAA Order 8130.2F Change 2.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/18b1d64bc8f90136862571d40072d8e1/$FILE/Order%208130F%20with%20chg%202%20incorporated.pdf
Repairman Certificate:
Phone your FSDO and make an appointment.
EAA says to apply at time of certification. As a DAR that works out of a
MIDO, I cannot accept the application.
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/How%20to%20get%20Your%20Repairman%20Certificate.html
See AC65-23A for what the FAA wants.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf
You need to complete FAA Form 8610-2.
http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8610-2.pdf
You will take the completed 8610-2 to your FSDO appointment along with what
ever other documents that the ASI desires to see. Expect to take aircraft
builder's log, 8130.7, and Operating Limitations. (Take copies of the
8130-7 and Operating Limitations.)
I recommend getting the repairman certificate out of the way BEFORE you
change registration. Could muddy the waters.
Sorry I cannot help you with Texas tax info as I am in the Peoples Republic
of California, the land of taxes.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://www.rvdar.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Logbook requirements
I have completed my phase I test flight time and need to make a note in the
aircraft logbook. Someone told me I am supposed to log every flight in
there as well. Is that so? I logged all my test flights in a separate
notebook, but not in the Ac logbook. What are the requirements?
Also on a second question: How do I get my repairmen certificate for my RV?
I am the builder and the current owner, but planning to transfer title to a
corp. I need to make sure I can get the repairmen cert for it.
By the way, if anybody in Texas has details of the tax situation here,
please contact me off list. Thanks
Thanks for any help as always
Tim Bryan
Frankston, Texas
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| Subject: | "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) |
Hi Bob,
I guess I just don't like the "bigness" of Oshkosh now days. I
used to go to "Rockford" and then for a few years I went to Oshkosh.
Things kept me from there for about 10 years and then I went back. Its a
great show one time, after that it was just to much. I think that
fiveonepw has a very good idea. I have the Sun-N-Fun in my back yard but
it to is so much ----. So I go there for one day to see the vendors I
have not been able to get in touch with. The web has made personal
contact with a vendor almost a moot point.
The EAA used to be about home builts but has transitioned into
something else. I appreciate the help it gives to sport aviation re: the
government. I also belong to the AOPA for the same reason. The EAA
magazine is like a "club" report, lots of flash but no substance. I like
"kitplanes" for their technical articles but the EAA magazine is just
circular file material. Just MHO.
Jim Nelson
RV9-A (almost finished FWF-yea!)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR@msn.com> wrote:
> Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage
> Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it.
This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in
bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and an
assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost does
not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid
envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but
the time it takes to open it.
-Rob
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| Subject: | registration results |
Sorry, I was catching up on my RV-List reading and came across the prior
sales tax posts re: one's moral obligations & just started typing. A
form of drunk dialing without the alcohol. I'll try to keep it RV
related.
Happy New Year all,
Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: registration results
Believe all of us out. Robin, none of us wanted to, or want to get you
started on anything. Do Not Archive this either. KABONG
>
> Please don't get me started on Katrina, the Bankruptcy Bill, WMD,
> Domestic Spying, No Child Left Behind, the Clean Air Act.....
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| Subject: | "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) |
I hear what you're saying, Jim. It's just that the way I get around the
"commercialism" of Oshkosh, is to spend less time in the exhibitor hangars,
Aeroshell Square, the Beach Boys concert and the flightline and the airshow,
and more time wayyyy down in the South 40 and walking around Camp Scholler
stopping in and sitting a spell with people. For the life of me, I can't
imagine a better way to spend a week! So to the extent that I go to Oshkosh
to talk to old and new friends, it's still about homebuilding and grassroots
aviation.
I just got my copy of Sport Aviation last week and recalled talking to the
gentlemen that built that beautiful plane back in 2005. They were camping
with their plane up in the south 40, near the last row. What a treat! And
then, walking back (I meet neat people by not taking the trams and shuttle
busses), I ran into a group of Ercoupe flyers who've been campaign together
for dozens of years.
The "old days" are still there. You just have to look for them. And treasure
them!
Re: The magazine. Boy, I just can't agree. I just finished reading an
article on the proper way to crimp wires. And, like I said, the feature
article was about a project undertaken by a couple of guys like me. There's
still a lot I can learn. Of course, I'm also a big Lauren Paine fan.
Jim, y'all come on out to Camp Scholler... 12th street...between Lindbergh
and Elm, and I'll prove it to you. The EAA -- and Oshkosh -- still belongs
to us. And I'll buy the beer.
Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF
Changes)
Hi Bob,
I guess I just don't like the "bigness" of Oshkosh now days. I used
to go to "Rockford" and then for a few years I went to Oshkosh.
Things kept me from there for about 10 years and then I went back. Its a
great show one time, after that it was just to much. I think that fiveonepw
has a very good idea. I have the Sun-N-Fun in my back yard but it to is so
much ----. So I go there for one day to see the vendors I have not been
able to get in touch with. The web has made personal contact with a vendor
almost a moot point.
The EAA used to be about home builts but has transitioned into
something else. I appreciate the help it gives to sport aviation re: the
government. I also belong to the AOPA for the same reason. The EAA
magazine is like a "club" report, lots of flash but no substance. I like
"kitplanes" for their technical articles but the EAA magazine is just
circular file material. Just MHO.
Jim Nelson
RV9-A (almost finished FWF-yea!)
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the
cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can't
seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log?
I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation.
My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the
heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate
to BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions?
Thanks,
Robin
RV-6A 325 hours. Fresh Annual, Adding 396
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| Subject: | Re: Outside Air Temp add on |
I used a simple thermistor type probe that came with my RMI encoder. I
simply drilled an appropriate sized hole in the skin and mounter the sensor
flush with the outside. Then I used RTV to keep the sensor in place. Works
great.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 1/1/07, Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like
> to
> add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I
> can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but
> don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C
> but
> looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Kitplanes attack |
That's interesting. I believe AOPA usually has something printed on
their postage paid return envlopes along the lines of asking to put a
stamp on to save funds.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR@msn.com> wrote:
> Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage
> Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it.
This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in
bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and
an
assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost
does
not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid
envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but
the time it takes to open it.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
Rob Prior wrote:
>
>On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage
>>Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it.
>>
>>
>
>This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in
>bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and an
>assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost does
>not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid
>envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but
>the time it takes to open it.
>
>-Rob
>
Can you cite your authority on that?
I'm trying to figure out why we have software to count every BRM piece
that runs on our automated equipment & station clerks count the ones
falling to manual operations, if we don't bill that way.
Charlie
(15 year postal employee, but I work in a different area)
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| Subject: | Re: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes) |
This is a very nice airport, that would be good for this. Nice terminal,
nice people and great service!
UNU - Dodge County Airport Juneau, Wisconsin, USA 34 NM south of KOSH
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KUNU
Read the comments link is on the right side of the page beside the fuel
prices.
------
Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/31/2006 11:11:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> rv9jim@juno.com writes:
>
> Rockford is big enough and still small enough.
>
> >>>
>
> You reminded me- JVL (Janesville) would be a kick-butt location too-
> Class D, multiple rwys, several FBOs, right next to I-90, lots of
> motels/restaurants etc. Think about this folks- All RVs gather at one
> of the nearby fields - Appleton, Janesville, Madison, maybe even Fon
> du Lac as their primary nesting spot and those who just gotta run up
> to OSH for shopping, judging, or a burning desire to see all those
> Ford/John Deere/Aeroshell commercials could hop up for the day, then
> back to campsite for some serious RV bonding. Maybe even get some of
> the formation groups (FFI, TeamRV, Ohio Valley etc.) to do
> clinics/airshows- propbably even better staging point for their forays
> into the big show- how cool would that be?
>
> Think EAA would notice? Hell, they might even support something like
> this. Two locations to generate more ca$h!
>
> Or not...
>
> Mark do not archive & oh yeah, HNY!!!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
On 01/01 8:12, Robin Marks wrote:
> I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the
> cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can't
> seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log?
>
> I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My
> biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the
> heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to
> BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions?
I copied mine from Dan.
See entry dated 10/19/04 on this page for the tray and entry
10/21/04 on the same page.
http://www.rv7-a.com/avionics_panel_3.htm
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying!
http://www.evorocket.com - Building
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
On 17:35 2007-01-01 Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Can you cite your authority on that?
>
> I'm trying to figure out why we have software to count every BRM
> piece that runs on our automated equipment & station clerks count the
> ones falling to manual operations, if we don't bill that way.
I can think of many reasons a post office would count BRM mailings, the
most simple of which is just to gain data on usage. However, I must stand
corrected on my previous statement... A quick search on the USPS site
reveals that BRM does indeed have per-mail costs for each returned item:
http://www.usps.com/replymail/rates.htm
However, looking at their cost table, you can see that each card costs the
company money *regardless* of whether it's returned. The cost for each
returned card/envelope is $0.65 for the most basic level, and goes down
from there to $0.008 for high-volume items. I'd guess that Belvoir has a
high-volume account for this, given that they are a parent company for many
publications, and that the per-item return cost is close to the low end of
the scale.
So yes, sending a card or envelope back does cost them money. But it's
probably not significant.
-Rob
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
Companies that use the BRM(Business Reply Mail) envelope pay postage plus a
fee for each one that is returned to them. If it is empty or taped to a two
by four or a brick(sent by a digruntled mailer thinking the company will be
charged more postage), the USPS works with the company to give them a
credit. So, the philosophy of returning empties or heavies doesn't usually
harm the customer.
Charlie is right on about USPS internal accounting of BRM pieces.
Jerry Calvert
RV6
N296JC
(34 years USPS)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
>
> Rob Prior wrote:
>
> >
> >On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage
> >>Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in
> >bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and
an
> >assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost
does
> >not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid
> >envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but
> >the time it takes to open it.
> >
> >-Rob
> >
>
> Can you cite your authority on that?
>
> I'm trying to figure out why we have software to count every BRM piece
> that runs on our automated equipment & station clerks count the ones
> falling to manual operations, if we don't bill that way.
>
> Charlie
>
> (15 year postal employee, but I work in a different area)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
That's correct. Upon request from AOPA, the USPS give them a credit for the
amount of the postage stamps attached to BRM(Business Reply Mail) envelopes.
This is available to any organization that receive BRM envelopes.
Jerry Calvert
N296JC
RV6
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> That's interesting. I believe AOPA usually has something printed on
> their postage paid return envlopes along the lines of asking to put a
> stamp on to save funds.
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:09 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
>
>
> On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR@msn.com> wrote:
> > Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage
> > Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it.
>
> This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in
> bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and
> an
> assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost
> does
> not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid
> envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but
> the time it takes to open it.
>
> -Rob
>
>
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normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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at the following location:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
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or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
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will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
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main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
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a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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available on line. The archive file information is available via the
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- Latest version of the RV-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the RV-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV
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to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
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and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
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them to:
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
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for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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