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1. 05:22 AM - Albert Whitted tie down space RV6a (Dale Walter)
2. 06:58 AM - ADI PilotII (Steve Glasgow)
3. 07:21 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Ron Lee)
4. 07:41 AM - Vision Microsystems (Paul Rice)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Vision Microsystems (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 09:51 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (LessDragProd@aol.com)
7. 11:16 AM - (jim green)
8. 12:03 PM - New Chelton EFIS un-official support group page (Tim Olson)
9. 01:53 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Bill Boyd)
10. 02:51 PM - Re: (Steve Eberhart)
11. 03:00 PM - Re: Vision Microsystems (Tim Bryan)
12. 03:14 PM - Pitot Static and Transponder Testing (Richard Dudley)
13. 03:52 PM - Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing (jason@hills.org)
14. 04:18 PM - Re deburing before dimpling (jim green)
15. 04:42 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Robin Marks)
16. 04:46 PM - Re: Re deburing before dimpling (Rob Prior)
17. 04:46 PM - Re: Re deburing before dimpling (Rob Prior)
18. 05:00 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Charlie England)
19. 05:02 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Ron Lee)
20. 05:06 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Garry)
21. 05:23 PM - Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing (wskimike)
22. 05:36 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Dan Checkoway)
23. 06:23 PM - Re: Kitplanes attack (WILLIAM AGSTER)
24. 06:58 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (David Leonard)
26. 08:07 PM - Re: Vision Microsystems (Steve Struyk)
27. 08:29 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (Dan Checkoway)
28. 08:29 PM - Re: Vision Microsystems (Dan Beadle)
29. 08:30 PM - Re: Vision Microsystems (Tim Bryan)
30. 08:44 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (LessDragProd@aol.com)
31. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: registration results (Tom Gummo)
32. 10:08 PM - -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? (Dan)
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| Subject: | Albert Whitted tie down space RV6a |
Happy New Year,
Does anyone have a tie down space available at KSPG? I will be working
downtown St Pete, FL 3 days a week for a couple weeks. The FBO keeps marking
up my plane.
Dale Walter (dwalter241@comcast.net)
RV6a, 745 hours
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If you are using the ADI Pilot II, please give me an evaluation of the
complete autopilot system.
I'm currently using the ADI so I understand it's idiosyncrasies.
Thanks,
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Don't mount it on the right (passenger) side of the firewall. It will
interfere with putting the hinge pins in.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Vision Microsystems |
To all
I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into my
RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel level
area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few
different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back,
which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still
have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the bench
because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was
flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work.
So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can
say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them.
Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages.
Anybody else had a problem with them?
Paul Rice,
RV8, almost finsished
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| Subject: | Re: Vision Microsystems |
Not till JPI bought them.......
I've sent them a couple of requests for info on their VM1000C - and have been ignored....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Rice <rice737@msn.com>
>Sent: Jan 2, 2007 10:40 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
>
>
>To all
>
>I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into my
>RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel level
>area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few
>different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back,
>which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still
>have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the bench
>because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was
>flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work.
>So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can
>say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them.
>Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages.
>Anybody else had a problem with them?
>
>Paul Rice,
>RV8, almost finsished
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Tracy Saylor said he measured the highest temperature at the upper rear
corner of his RV-6 cowl at 35 degrees F over ambient at the worst case. He
checked this before he installed his GPS antenna in that location.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 01/01/2007 5:23:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
robin1@mrmoisture.com writes:
I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the
cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can
=99t seem to
find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log?
I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My
biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat.
Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ th
at
unit. Comments/Suggestions?
Thanks,
Robin
RV-6A 325 hours. Fresh Annual, Adding 396
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Debur or not? In the Standard Aicraft Handbook by
Larry Reithmaier, page 87, he says "Deburring shall
not be performed on predrilled holes that are to be
subsequently form countersunk."(dimpled)
Seems like it's common wisdom to do the opposite.
Fire when ready.
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| Subject: | New Chelton EFIS un-official support group page |
Hi all,
Having gone through all the usual EFIS config questions myself
as I got my system flying, I had been thinking of starting a forum
just for Chelton system owners to give a place to share all kinds
of info relating to the Chelton Experimental EFIS systems.
With the recent financial issues and ultra-poor situation that
some of the buyers of these systems were left in, I decided that
the time is really NOW that I needed to get something going,
as there are lots of people who are in limbo and looking
for info. There's a lot of Mis-information available, and
hopefully in a private forum for owners/buyers of this EFIS
system, we can all help keep eachother informed as to the
current status of the situation.
So over the holiday's I got the site ready and launched
http://www.CheltonEFISpilots.com
It is a private forum, for many reasons, but that should help
keep the bandwidth to a useful level, and eliminate the kind
of bickering that goes on when you throw a mass of people
together who have uncommon objectives in their purchase.
Keeping it to a group of people who are already committed to
their system keeps the information more on-target, such as
what the GRT_EFIS forum has.
So I welcome any people who are Chelton system buyers/owners/users
to come and participate. Hopefully it'll give some positivity
in light of the recent negativity surrounding the product.
I'm not affiliated, nor is the list, with any company whatsoever,
so it's a truly independent forum, and in fact I'd like to not
have any factory or D2AV type involvement unless and until
they first take care of their customers. Once everyone
is all good and happy again, then I'm sure we'd love some
direct support contacts.
One quick note about registration, for those who this
all applies. Please register and provide your info so that
everyone can identify eachother clearly, and use your signature
field in your profile. Also, it may take me a little time after
you register before I can get to the link to accept, so
don't panic. I am usually pretty quick about things unless
I'm asleep or gone.
Thanks for the bandwidth. This email is only going out on
the RV and RV-10 list. If you know of other places where
groups of the EFIS users are, feel free to pass it on.
Tim Olson - RV-10 Builder and Chelton flier
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
I wonder if that measurement excercise included the heat soak after
shut-down? My -6A cowl can get too hot to touch over the cylinders
after a few minutes on the ground post-flight, but I guess the cowl
aft of the rear baffles is much cooler than that, even then.
-Stormy
On 1/2/07, LessDragProd@aol.com <LessDragProd@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tracy Saylor said he measured the highest temperature at the upper rear
> corner of his RV-6 cowl at 35 degrees F over ambient at the worst case. He
> checked this before he installed his GPS antenna in that location.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
>
> In a message dated 01/01/2007 5:23:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> robin1@mrmoisture.com writes:
>
>
> I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the
> cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can't seem
> to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log?
>
> I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My
> biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat.
> Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ
> that unit. Comments/Suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
> RV-6A 325 hours. Fresh Annual, Adding 396
>
>
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jim green wrote:
>
> Debur or not? In the Standard Aicraft Handbook by
> Larry Reithmaier, page 87, he says "Deburring shall
> not be performed on predrilled holes that are to be
> subsequently form countersunk."(dimpled)
> Seems like it's common wisdom to do the opposite.
> Fire when ready
How about a simple search of the archives. This seems to be relative:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=136612832?KEYS=work_hardened?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=14404932394?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
I am guessing you will probably have to cut and paste the parts back
together in your browser window. This post is message #110167 so a
search on this number should also bring up the post.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, Everything drilled and deburred so far. Most everything is
riveted together now so I probably won't change the procedure.
http://www.newtech.com/n14se/P1010326.JPG
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| Subject: | Vision Microsystems |
Yes! I have an original VM1000 and the oil transducer is no good. I have
done everything to get it replaced so far with no luck. I just got off the
phone with Auto and was told the same thing. They have no test bench yet to
check it. I requested that in order to maintain a good customer support
with me they needed to just replace it and check it out later. He agreed to
try to do that. The action is yet to be seen.
I would not buy a VM anything at this point. There are sooooo many good
options out there and I was particularly impressed with Electronics
International at the Bend, Oregon airport. They took me in and gave me a
tour and showed me how all there stuff works knowing I already had a VM1000
and obviously weren't going to change it. Their stuff is awesome and the
customer orientation is great. Maybe I need to build a -10 so I can have
the EI stuff.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:41 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
>
>
> To all
>
> I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into
> my
> RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel
> level
> area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few
> different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back,
> which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still
> have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the
> bench
> because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was
> flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work.
> So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can
> say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them.
> Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages.
> Anybody else had a problem with them?
>
> Paul Rice,
> RV8, almost finsished
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pitot Static and Transponder Testing |
Listers,
Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic
testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder?
All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching
the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests must
be done before the end of the two years.
Thanks in advance.
Richard Dudley
-6A flying
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing |
FAR 91.411, 91.413 and Part 43: App E, Sec E43.1 & App F, Sec F43.1 (I
believe those cover all of the VFR & IFR checks).
...Jason
RV-8 (almost ready to start on wings)
----Original Message----
From: rhdudley1@bellsouth.net
Subj: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
net>
Listers,
Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic
testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and
encoder?
All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching
the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests
must
be done before the end of the two years.
Thanks in advance.
Richard Dudley
-6A flying
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| Subject: | Re deburing before dimpling |
Thanks for the input. The author of the Standard
Aircraft Handbook wrote this book before RVs were even
a twinkle in Van's eye. As I understand it he is not
talking about prepunched kits or any other kind of
kit. By predrilled he just means holes drilled before
any other preparation of the metal.
The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do
not debur if you plan to dimple'. Sure would save a
ton of time on the fuselage.
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the
antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to
replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I
spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A
antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under
the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it
feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be
more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Re deburing before dimpling |
On 16:17 2007-01-02 jim green <jgreen_sg@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do
> not debur if you plan to dimple'. Sure would save a
> ton of time on the fuselage.
It would be really, really, interesting to hear what his reasons were for
that instruction. Especially if he's referring to metalworking when you
have no pre-punched hole to work with. Drilling a hole from scratch in a
piece of sheet aluminum is almost guaranteed to leave a burr.
I found when working on the Vertical Stab that the pre-punched holes didn't
leave much if any burr when they were drilled out, but the ribs and forward
spar (which weren't pre-punched on my early -7 kit) left a measurable burr
when the holes were drilled.
I deburred both before dimpling by running a scotchbrite pad down the
surfaces. It smoothed off all the holes quite nicely, with very little
concern of accidentally "chamfering" the holes.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Re deburing before dimpling |
On 16:17 2007-01-02 jim green <jgreen_sg@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do
> not debur if you plan to dimple'. Sure would save a
> ton of time on the fuselage.
It would be really, really, interesting to hear what his reasons were for
that instruction. Especially if he's referring to metalworking when you
have no pre-punched hole to work with. Drilling a hole from scratch in a
piece of sheet aluminum is almost guaranteed to leave a burr.
I found when working on the Vertical Stab that the pre-punched holes didn't
leave much if any burr when they were drilled out, but the ribs and forward
spar (which weren't pre-punched on my early -7 kit) left a measurable burr
when the holes were drilled.
I deburred both before dimpling by running a scotchbrite pad down the
surfaces. It smoothed off all the holes quite nicely, with very little
concern of accidentally "chamfering" the holes.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Robin Marks wrote:
> As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the
> antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having
> to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location.
> I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A
> antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F
> under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes
> it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
>
> I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be
> more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
>
> Robin
>
Just out of curiosity, what color is the antenna? If it's black (or any
dark color) & under a closed canopy, it could easily approach 200
degrees on a sunny day...
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
At 05:41 PM 1/2/2007, you wrote:
>As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the
>antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to
>replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke
>with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is
>-40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or
>in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F
>in the shade in Texas.
Just remember that GPS satellites are moving and are all over the sky. Any
metal
will block signals.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the
baggage bay under a metal skin?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the
antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to
replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I
spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A
antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under
the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it
feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be
more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing |
FAR Part 91 requires the test and Part 43 appendix E and F has the
requirements.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
>
> Listers,
>
> Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic
> testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder?
> All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching
> the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests must
> be done before the end of the two years.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Richard Dudley
> -6A flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf
sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel.
Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the
support channel and install the antenna IN the channel.
All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1166 hours)
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Garry
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in
the baggage bay under a metal skin?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the
antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to
replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I
spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A
antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under
the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it
feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may
be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
Robin
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kitplanes attack |
Yes they do. And I proudly donate to them.
do not archive
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)<mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
<rvbuilder@sausen.net<mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net>>
That's interesting. I believe AOPA usually has something printed on
their postage paid return envlopes along the lines of asking to put a
stamp on to save funds.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.
com>
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:09 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack
<rv7@b4.ca<mailto:rv7@b4.ca>>
On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER"
<BAGSTERJR@msn.com<mailto:BAGSTERJR@msn.com>> wrote:
> Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage
> Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it.
This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for
in
bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount
and
an
assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost
does
not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a
postage-paid
envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing
but
the time it takes to open it.
-Rob
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
In a message dated 01/02/2007 7:38:42 PM Central Standard Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the
support channel and install the antenna IN the channel.
>>>
Or if you're REALLY slick, stick it on top of the support:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5419
Mark 8-)
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under fiberglass.
I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck, and covered it
with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite antennas under there.
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
>
> With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf
> sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel.
>
> Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the
> support channel and install the antenna IN the channel.
>
> All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (1166 hours)
> www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Garry <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
>
>
> How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the
> baggage bay under a metal skin?
>
> Garry Stout
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
>
>
> As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the
> antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to
> replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke
> with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is
> -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or
> in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in
> the shade in Texas.
>
> I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be
> more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
>
> Robin
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vision Microsystems |
Well I guess I'm in the minority on this one.
I had a few "growing pains" getting my VM1000 up and running, but the folks
at Vision Microsystems were excellent in helping me find the answers or
provide the fix. I had an oil pressure problem that ended up being a cold
solder joint. With their help I was able to trouble shoot it and make it
right. I also had a fuel flow transducer issue that ended up being the
wrong one for my engine/fuel system. That was my screw up when I ordered it,
not theirs, but they quickly made it right.
If I were to become a "repeat offender" and build another RV, I would not
hesitate to go with VM again. It has worked flawlessly after resolving the
initial problems mentioned.
Just my two cents worth.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, 75 hours
St. Charles, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
>
> Yes! I have an original VM1000 and the oil transducer is no good. I have
> done everything to get it replaced so far with no luck. I just got off
> the
> phone with Auto and was told the same thing. They have no test bench yet
> to
> check it. I requested that in order to maintain a good customer support
> with me they needed to just replace it and check it out later. He agreed
> to
> try to do that. The action is yet to be seen.
>
> I would not buy a VM anything at this point. There are sooooo many good
> options out there and I was particularly impressed with Electronics
> International at the Bend, Oregon airport. They took me in and gave me a
> tour and showed me how all there stuff works knowing I already had a
> VM1000
> and obviously weren't going to change it. Their stuff is awesome and the
> customer orientation is great. Maybe I need to build a -10 so I can have
> the EI stuff.
>
> Tim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:41 AM
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
>>
>>
>> To all
>>
>> I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into
>> my
>> RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel
>> level
>> area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few
>> different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back,
>> which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still
>> have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the
>> bench
>> because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane
>> was
>> flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work.
>> So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can
>> say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with
>> them.
>> Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages.
>> Anybody else had a problem with them?
>>
>> Paul Rice,
>> RV8, almost finsished
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels).
It's just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl.
The other antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature
tolerance, and I didn't want yet a few more firewall penetrations.
Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a
flight in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: David Leonard
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under
fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck,
and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite
antennas under there.
Dave Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little
shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel.
Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of
the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel.
All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (1166 hours)
www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Garry
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is
in the baggage bay under a metal skin?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing
the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of
having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new
location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for
GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to
+185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck,
sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas.
I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna
may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A.
Thanks for the suggestions & photos.
Robin
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| Subject: | Vision Microsystems |
Paul,
Have you calibrated the fuel level system? You have to do a few things to
get it set up. First, you have to set the range limits. That tells the
system if you have one tank or two. (Almost everyone has two, but that's
the way it works). From there, you set the max fuel per tank. Then you
have to calibrate the senders by adding fuel.
Let me know off-list if you are still having trouble
Dan Beadle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 AM
Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
To all
I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into my
RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel level
area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few
different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back,
which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still
have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the bench
because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was
flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work.
So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can
say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them.
Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages.
Anybody else had a problem with them?
Paul Rice,
RV8, almost finsished
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| Subject: | Vision Microsystems |
I suspect this was before the change in ownership. Things have changed, and
maybe they will get sorted out again. Lets hope.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Struyk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:05 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
>
>
> Well I guess I'm in the minority on this one.
>
> I had a few "growing pains" getting my VM1000 up and running, but the
> folks
> at Vision Microsystems were excellent in helping me find the answers or
> provide the fix. I had an oil pressure problem that ended up being a cold
> solder joint. With their help I was able to trouble shoot it and make it
> right. I also had a fuel flow transducer issue that ended up being the
> wrong one for my engine/fuel system. That was my screw up when I ordered
> it,
> not theirs, but they quickly made it right.
>
> If I were to become a "repeat offender" and build another RV, I would not
> hesitate to go with VM again. It has worked flawlessly after resolving the
> initial problems mentioned.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> Steve Struyk
> RV-8, 75 hours
> St. Charles, MO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
>
>
> >
> > Yes! I have an original VM1000 and the oil transducer is no good. I
> have
> > done everything to get it replaced so far with no luck. I just got off
> > the
> > phone with Auto and was told the same thing. They have no test bench
> yet
> > to
> > check it. I requested that in order to maintain a good customer support
> > with me they needed to just replace it and check it out later. He
> agreed
> > to
> > try to do that. The action is yet to be seen.
> >
> > I would not buy a VM anything at this point. There are sooooo many good
> > options out there and I was particularly impressed with Electronics
> > International at the Bend, Oregon airport. They took me in and gave me
> a
> > tour and showed me how all there stuff works knowing I already had a
> > VM1000
> > and obviously weren't going to change it. Their stuff is awesome and
> the
> > customer orientation is great. Maybe I need to build a -10 so I can
> have
> > the EI stuff.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:41 AM
> >> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems
> >>
> >>
> >> To all
> >>
> >> I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it
> into
> >> my
> >> RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel
> >> level
> >> area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a
> few
> >> different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back,
> >> which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they
> still
> >> have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the
> >> bench
> >> because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane
> >> was
> >> flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work.
> >> So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I
> can
> >> say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with
> >> them.
> >> Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages.
> >> Anybody else had a problem with them?
> >>
> >> Paul Rice,
> >> RV8, almost finsished
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl |
Hi Dan,
The next time you see Tracy Saylor, you might mention that to him. :-)
Jim
In a message dated 01/02/2007 8:32:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dan@rvproject.com writes:
I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels). It's
just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl. The other
antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature tolerance, and I didn't
want yet a few more firewall penetrations.
Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a flight
in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing...
)_( Dan
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| Subject: | Re: registration results |
My plane is a "Gummo Special". When I called Falcon Insurance, they ask
what it was and I told them it was based on a Harmon Rocket and they
wrote the policy with no problems. To them it is a Rocket.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Reuven Silberman
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: registration results
Your problem is not really with the state taxation folks but
potentially with your insurance company. And trying to hide your RV from
the state as a one-of just because you registered it as a Speed-Burner 1
could be construed as fraud. As for the insurance company they will
want to know what it is insuring. So you tell them it is registered as a
Speed-Burner 1 and they say WOH - we have no history with that model and
it doesnt show up on any listing we have of production or homebuilt
aircraft, so we decline to insure it. But being the slick guy you are
you tell the insurance company it is and RV-(x) and they say - Heres
Your Policy have-a-nice-day. NOW comes the potentially fun part. Due
to no fault of your own (being an excellent pilot) your airplane departs
the paved parts of a controlled airport and the tower closes that part
of the airport for a period of time and fills out an incident report on
an RV-(x). You call the insurance company to file a claim, they pull
your file AND check the FAA data base. OH OH we have a discrepancy here
- now the fun begins. Ya sure you want to open that box of snakes vs
paying a few dollars to the state?
Anon
Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: Oldsfolks@aol.com
>Just remember - It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected
and
>approved for flight !!
Bob, I wish that were so in Kentucky but it is not. There is not
notification when you reserve an N number. However, upon
registration,
notification is sent to the resident state. In Kentucky it is then
either a
tangible or intangible taxable piece of property for property tax
purposes.
The sales tax issue applies whether you register, don't register if
you
bought the parts out of state, from an entity other than another
person not
doing business as, and didn't pay appropriate sales tax. They get
you from
several directions. I won't say again what my profession is other
than I'm
getting ready to get real busy and will be so up until just before
Sun &
Fun:-)
With that said, I am waiting until after Jan. 1 to send in my
registration.
In Kentucky you have the ability to pay the "use" (sales tax) on
your
individual income tax return for the year in which bought the parts.
I'll
pay some sales tax then. The idea of property tax applies to what
you had
in your possession on Jan. 1, the previous year. So, by waiting post
Jan. 1
2007, my property tax will not be assessed until Jan. 1 2008 and not
due
until the fall of 2009. I'd rather play with my money than have
"them" play
with it. Enough of tax ideas, leave that up to the CPA's.........oh,
wait
I am a........
Property tax. I am registering my airplane as a DO-2 (Dana Overall,
second
airplane). I am not desiring to get around paying property tax,
however, if
I register it as an RV, there is a huge data bank for the state to
arbitrarily apply a value to my airplane. It could be more, less
than what
I think it is worth. By not giving them something to cross
reference, I get
to tell them for a change. No, they don't send someone out to look
at it,
even if they did, what are the chances they would have any idea what
an RV
airplane or a DO airplane was? Yes, you can get RV insurance on and
airplane simply registered as a Double Throw Me Down-1, WOO HOO 7,
Man This
Thing Cost A Fortune 10 (oh wait, that one maybe not a good one for
tax
purposes).
Taxes on Christmas Eve...............Bah Humbug!!
BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron
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| Subject: | -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? |
I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people mounting it aft
of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock looks good too. ??
U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm only 170lbs
Ideas? picture?
Thanks,
Dan
-8 Fuselage
Lake Stevens, WA
N928RV reserved
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