---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/04/07: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=) 2. 02:20 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Jim Sears) 3. 03:48 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 4. 04:20 AM - Re: Holes under horizonal stab (Rick Gray) 5. 04:22 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=) 6. 05:38 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Jerry Springer) 7. 06:43 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (RV6 Flyer) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=) 9. 07:53 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl now heat chart (Darwin N. Barrie) 10. 11:30 AM - Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl (LessDragProd@aol.com) 11. 11:57 AM - Embry-Riddle salvage parts? (Lawson, Michael) 12. 12:11 PM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (martin333@athenet.net) 13. 12:34 PM - Re: Insurance? (joelrhaynes@aol.com) 14. 01:11 PM - Firewall Pass Through (Dana Overall) 15. 01:23 PM - Re: F635 bellcrank (LarryRobertHelming) 16. 02:34 PM - Stopped kits (Austin) 17. 03:21 PM - Re: F635 bellcrank (Steve Eberhart) 18. 05:18 PM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Bill Schlatterer) 19. 06:10 PM - Re: [Bulk] Re: Holes under horizonal stab (Kevin Horton) 20. 06:42 PM - Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing (Mike Robertson) 21. 07:26 PM - Re: F635 bellcrank (Bob Collins) 22. 07:29 PM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Ron Lee) 23. 10:29 PM - Re: F635 bellcrank (jlfernan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:52 AM PST US From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan, Thanks for pointing us to the McMaster single use temperature systems. I am impressed by the choices ' they can be a great help in establishing peak temperatures in various locations under varying conditions. Michele RV8 - Finishing _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Sent: mercredi 3 janvier 2007 16:35 Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Interesting. Still call me a skeptic, but I agree about measuring it. I'll get some nonreversible temperature strips from McMaster and see what it hits. http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=519 (middle of that page) )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Huft Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan Checkoway wrote: I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... )_( Dan Before you say something like that Dan, you should try actually measuring it. I have, and got similar results to Tracy's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: David Leonard Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite antennas under there. Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway wrote: With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. 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FWIW. When I built Scooter, the norm was to install the antenna on the glare shield, or on the fuse somewhere. My instructions said to not paint the antenna; but, some did and found that the antenna still worked just fine. Mine is still white and has not been a problem on the glare shield, at all. In fact, I plan on installing the GPS antenna in the same location on my new one. It works for me, even if some find it annoying. I'd be somewhat concerned about having it under the cowl with all that heat; but, I guess it's a strong little critter. I noticed some of you haves several hundred hours on your installations with no problems. Jim Sears in KY RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) EAA Tech Counselor ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:18 AM PST US From: "Rick Gray" Subject: Re: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab I think Bobby wanted to know how to drill and tap the holes.....not make the strips?? Yo' Bobby :^). I've tried 2 methods and they both work fine. 1-use a close fitting 90 angle drill - if you don't have one you can go over to Sears or Harbor Freight and pick up a little 'snake' drill extension. The extensions are about 9" to 12" long.....I use them a LOT during the building process....you can literally drill around corners with these babies....and they only cost about $10. 2-If you don't have the above then use your 'long' aviation bits. Just 'flex' the bit....you'll be able to keep the drill away from the HS stab and hold the cutting end of the bit where you need it. Problem here is you may not have one that is 7/64's tapping size for the #6 screws you'll want to use here. Not really a big problem....you'll find that you can STILL tap the holes OK even when drilled with the 3/32" 'long' aviation bit. When you go to tap the holes you'll have to go slow as you won't be able to rotate the tap 360deg. Just pull up a chair and take your time. All said and done it will still be WAY easier than removing your stab. Good Luck, Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/ for the archives ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Boatright To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab Make them the same way you made the strips that cover the gap between your wing and fuselage: Use an offset tracing tool to transfer the profile of the HS to the aluminum strips. Just tape the strips immediately below the HS, then measure the distance (call it "X") from the leading edge of the HS down to the aluminum strips. Make an aluminum spacer which will hold a sharpie X inches from whatever the spacer is touching. Use this combination up against the HS to transfer its shape to the aluminum strips. Pull the strips loose, trim to shape, and you're done. You may want to try it on a piece of cardboard first just to make sure your technique is good... By the way, there is no reason to drill and tap the holes for those strips. Why not just pop rivet the strips to the airframe. Simpler, faster, and there is no reason to ever remove the strips. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Hester" To: "RV-List" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab > > Ok, I'm ready to drill and tap the holes for the strips under Horizonal > stab, the one that close up the gap. It appears that I'm ging to have to > remove the tail to be able to do this :-( > Please tell me it is no so! How have you guys done this? > > -- > ------ > Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:13 AM PST US From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl What about putting the antenna on the cockpit side of the firewall just under a fibreglass covered cut-out which could be made into a trap? The only problem I have with up front in the engine compartment is that I'd have to plan for one more firewall pass through. I hate firewall pass throughs since I plan to make each one as fireproof as possible. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:45 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:37 AM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl My 296 GPS antenna is on the glare shield and I do not notice it is there. Of course my glare shield is painted black and my GPS antenna is black. Jerry Jim Sears wrote: > >> Don't even think about mounting it on top of the >> glare shield - you will get the reflection in the >> windshield. FWIW. > > > When I built Scooter, the norm was to install the antenna on the glare > shield, or on the fuse somewhere. My instructions said to not paint > the antenna; but, some did and found that the antenna still worked > just fine. Mine is still white and has not been a problem on the glare > shield, at all. In fact, I plan on installing the GPS antenna in the > same location on my new one. It works for me, even if some find it > annoying. > > I'd be somewhat concerned about having it under the cowl with all that > heat; but, I guess it's a strong little critter. I noticed some of > you haves several hundred hours on your installations with no problems. > > Jim Sears in KY > RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) > EAA Tech Counselor > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:19 AM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Michele: Do you mean link this as was done with an RV-7? : http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michle Delsol Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl What about putting the antenna on the cockpit side of the firewall just under a fibreglass covered cut-out which could be made into a trap? The only problem I have with up front in the engine compartment is that I'd have to plan for one more firewall pass through. I hate firewall pass throughs since I plan to make each one as fireproof as possible. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:45 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:08 AM PST US From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Yeah - that's the idea. Except that on an 8 half the front top skin is a door into the forward baggage compartment. I plan to put the GPS antenna under the other half and the brake fuel reservoir against the left side (right side being the forward baggage well). The cut-out for the GPS antenna should be rather large in order to minimize blanking. I figure that a 20 mask is something that one can live with which means that the antenna would have a 140 window instead of the 180 if it were to lay flat on the glare shield. Since the GPS is looking at satellites only, no ground stations, I would guess that this should be OK. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 15:42 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Michele: Do you mean link this as was done with an RV-7? : http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michle Delsol Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl What about putting the antenna on the cockpit side of the firewall just under a fibreglass covered cut-out which could be made into a trap? The only problem I have with up front in the engine compartment is that I'd have to plan for one more firewall pass through. I hate firewall pass throughs since I plan to make each one as fireproof as possible. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:45 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:56 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl now heat chart Since I live in probably the hottest climate in the US I feel I have a little experience is this area. Let me relate a couple of things. One, in my law enforcement career I had the unfortunate opportunity to supervise the investigation of the death of a child that was accidentally left in a car in the summer time. In one case, we simulated the conditions the next day, same time, OAT was within a degree, humitidy level the same. The OAT was 112 degrees. The temperature inside the Chevy Tahoe was 166 degrees. I guess temps above this are possible but not to likely. Vehicle type, color, roof type are all variables. I believe the Sun itself is far more detrimental to the equipment than the heat. UV rays are present regardless of the temperature. In the Sun a Chrome finish can be hot to the touch in 70 degree heat. So, you mount your GPS antenna under the bubble somewhere, exposed to the sky, it is still getting the UV rays and the components are getting heat from the sun and collecting that heat. Armed with this knowledge, I mounted my GPS and XM antennas on a plate just in front of the firewall and near the top of the cowl. Here, they never get direct sunlight and have constant air movement when the plane is in motion. When parked at an airshow or fly in I usually keep oil door unlatched for a few minutes after shutdown. Also when flying at altitude the air in the cowl is not very hot. Meanwhile the bubble mounted antenna has the Sun on it. Unofficially, I spoke to a person who works in the customer support area of a large Avionics company. He said the under the cowl is probably one of the safest places to mount the antenna. There is it protected from the sun and moisture. He said it should never be mounted in the open as the moisture is the biggest killer of GPS antennas. DArwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:51 AM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Kind of makes the fiberglass window in my carbon fiber cowl seem very worthwhile. 2 GPS antenna's mounted forward of the firewall just under the cowl "window" in my "yet to be completed" modified RV-4. 1 GPS antenna mounted forward of the firewall in my RV-6A. 1 year and 100 hrs. 1 GPS antenna mounted forward of the firewall in my RV-3. 15+ years and 650 hours. I seem to have established a pattern of placing the GPS antenna in the cool section of the cowl. Regards, Jim Ayers BTW, Just as a sensory reference, the temperature that can raise a blister on most people (touch temperature) is 140 degrees F. In a message dated 01/04/2007 7:56:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, ktlkrn@cox.net writes: Since I live in probably the hottest climate in the US I feel I have a little experience is this area. Let me relate a couple of things. One, in my law enforcement career I had the unfortunate opportunity to supervise the investigation of the death of a child that was accidentally left in a car in the summer time. In one case, we simulated the conditions the next day, same time, OAT was within a degree, humitidy level the same. The OAT was 112 degrees. The temperature inside the Chevy Tahoe was 166 degrees. I guess temps above this are possible but not to likely. Vehicle type, color, roof type are all variables. I believe the Sun itself is far more detrimental to the equipment than the heat. UV rays are present regardless of the temperature. In the Sun a Chrome finish can be hot to the touch in 70 degree heat. So, you mount your GPS antenna under the bubble somewhere, exposed to the sky, it is still getting the UV rays and the components are getting heat from the sun and collecting that heat. Armed with this knowledge, I mounted my GPS and XM antennas on a plate just in front of the firewall and near the top of the cowl. Here, they never get direct sunlight and have constant air movement when the plane is in motion. When parked at an airshow or fly in I usually keep oil door unlatched for a few minutes after shutdown. Also when flying at altitude the air in the cowl is not very hot. Meanwhile the bubble mounted antenna has the Sun on it. Unofficially, I spoke to a person who works in the customer support area of a large Avionics company. He said the under the cowl is probably one of the safest places to mount the antenna. There is it protected from the sun and moisture. He said it should never be mounted in the open as the moisture is the biggest killer of GPS antennas. DArwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:11 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Embry-Riddle salvage parts? From: "Lawson, Michael" With all the unfortunate destruction in Daytona Beach, I wonder if any engines or avionics will come up for salvage. I wrote to ERAU's maintenance manager regarding their ADS-B equipment (GDL-90's and MX-20's); but they replied it's all being removed from the wrecked aircraft and kept by the school. He did not mention who the insurance carrier or salvage company is. Does anyone know who is going to be handling the aircraft salvage from Embry-Riddle? Mike Lawson RV-8A 81825 Beginning Fuselage (for 3 years now... ugh...) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl From: martin333@athenet.net > Jim I have one of my GPS antennae mounted as below, however when I first installed it I did not realize that the metal fleck paint on my cowl would impede the reception. The fix was to sand off a 3" x 3" space above the antenna mount and repaint it with a grey paint without metal fleck in it. No trouble since, 1400 hours . Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one > Not sure about the fragility of your chosen antenna, but I installed the > factory antenna puck from my Bendix-King KMD-150 about 1 inch under the > cowling, center mounted, just behind the baffels, on a supported aluminum > plate. No problems in 334 hours and I have lost signal only once in a > heavy overcast. The GPS locks on after startup in about 40 seconds. > Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will > get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:51 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Insurance? From: joelrhaynes@aol.com Bobby, I hooked up with Nationair for my builder's risk and then converted to a full in-flight policy last June that included transport to the hangar and first flight coverage. Nationair was very responsive and helped me understand what the different underwriters were offering. I ended up paying $1500 for a 1 year policy with Global Aerospace for a 500 hour IFR pilot with only 4 hours in type (6A checkout with Mike Seager in Oregon). Next year's premium should be lower with much more time in type. Contact me off-line if you have any more questions. Joel Haynes, Bozeman, MT (formerly Lexington, Louisville, and Bowling Green) 7A N557XW 70 hours Time: 07:42:38 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: RV-List: Insurance? Hoping to need insurance soon. I'm thinking I'll just call NationAir. Anybody got their's recently with any input? -- ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:19 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RV-List: Firewall Pass Through In looking around the shop when I was first starting to lay out the wiring, I ran a couple ideas by the ol brainwaves on how to pass the wiring through one hole and keep it clean. Well I had an extra eyeball lying around. The ol brainwaves actually lit the fire this time. I simply removed the movable eye and had a ready made fitting. I'll firesleeve when I wrap everything up. See the pic., thought it might help. http://rvflying.tripod.com/passthrough.jpg __________________ Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7, "Black Magic" http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com O-360 A1A C/S _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:02 PM PST US From: "LarryRobertHelming" Subject: Re: RV-List: F635 bellcrank To determine if the problem is in the bearing, you can remove the assembly and feel the bearing with you fingers and it will wobble around. It should only turn. No wobble. The bearing structure should be solidly riveted to the metal sides that it connects to. If the rivets are good and the bearing still wobbles, you need a new bearing. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: RV-List: F635 bellcrank > > I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, > > that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should > > be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are > > tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long > > portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. > > I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only > > got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I > > hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure > > that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > Jorge Fernandez > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:17 PM PST US From: Austin Subject: RV-List: Stopped kits Listers, Does anyone near the West Coast have a kit they want to unload ? I have a friend who would like an RV4,6, or 7 or 8 . Please reply off list if you have such a kit, or know of one available. Many thanks, Austin, Calgary ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:53 PM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Re: RV-List: F635 bellcrank This was a concern of mine also. I have about 3/32" side movement at the end of the long bellcrank arm. I checked on all of my "reference" construction sites and most of them had the same small amount of play and in most cases had a similar statement from Van's that it was probably alright. I have declared mine to be within my tolerances at 3/32" and just today was able to move the elevator, for the first time, from the bellcrank. I did find a potential problem with the push rod though. I had used the shorter of the two lengths of rod end bearings for my push rod ends. I was very concerned about the few threads that were in the end cap and was going to safety wire the lock nut. Then I realized that I had used the shorter rod end bearings. After changing to the longer ones all is well. Easily 2/3 of the threaded portion is is the end cap so they can't un-screw themselves. Steve Eberhart http://www.newtech.com/n14se/P1010326.JPG LarryRobertHelming wrote: > > > To determine if the problem is in the bearing, you can remove the > assembly and feel the bearing with you fingers and it will wobble > around. It should only turn. No wobble. The bearing structure > should be solidly riveted to the metal sides that it connects to. If > the rivets are good and the bearing still wobbles, you need a new > bearing. Larry in Indiana > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:01 PM > Subject: RV-List: F635 bellcrank > > >> >> I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, >> >> that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should >> >> be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are >> >> tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long >> >> portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. >> >> I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only >> >> got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I >> >> hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure >> >> that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Jorge Fernandez ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:29 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Anybody have any experience with a cowl mount under fiberglass with a metallic topcoat paint job. Someone noted before that this might be trouble and that was exactly what I was planning to do! Anyone actually tried it? Thanks Bill S 7a engine Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:03 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab On 4 Jan 2007, at 07:18, Rick Gray wrote: > I think Bobby wanted to know how to drill and tap the holes.....not > make the strips?? To tap the holes, I used a cylindrical tap holder that has a sliding extension arm to turn it. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:54 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to get the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of flying. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if the pi tot/static system has been broken open for any reason. Mike Robertson Das Fed > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500> From: rhdudley1@bellsouth.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testi t>> > Listers,> > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and e ncoder?> All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approach ing > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests m ust > be done before the end of the two years.> Thanks in advance.> > Richa ====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:02 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: F635 bellcrank From: "Bob Collins" I don't recall seeing the side-to-side play notation in the instructions. What page was that on? -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85556#85556 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:06 PM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl >Anybody have any experience with a cowl mount under fiberglass with a >metallic topcoat paint job. Someone noted before that this might be >trouble and that was exactly what I was planning to do! Anyone actually >tried it? I just read a post about that today I think from Mr Martin (The slow one) or Mr Ayers. Seems they had to remove some of it but check the web archives. There may be such a cowl at the airport that I can check in a day or so. If so I will try a handheld receiver under it and report back. Ron Lee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:16 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: F635 bellcrank From: "jlfernan" The instructions start at the bottom of 8-10 and finish with "...with no side to side play". top of page 8-11. -------- Jorge Fernandez N214JL Reserved 9A QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85578#85578 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.