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2. 04:14 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Williams, Glenn)
3. 04:15 AM - Re: Wingtip extensions (Rick Galati)
4. 04:38 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Dana Overall)
5. 06:16 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
6. 07:10 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Sam Buchanan)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Larry Bowen)
8. 08:13 AM - Orndorff RV9 Empennage video (Lance Sorensen)
9. 08:15 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Kevin Horton)
10. 08:56 AM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (Sam Buchanan)
11. 09:05 AM - spin testing with unexpected result (Arnold de Brie)
12. 09:07 AM - Repairman's certificate application (Gerry Filby)
13. 09:27 AM - Garmin cost (was: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna) (Terry Watson)
14. 09:49 AM - Re: Repairman's certificate application (wgill10@comcast.net)
15. 01:01 PM - Gertz Pitot Tube (Valovich, Paul)
16. 01:06 PM - Re: Repairman's certificate application (Jamie Painter)
17. 01:11 PM - Re: Gertz Pitot Tube (Tailgummer@aol.com)
18. 01:23 PM - Re: Gertz Pitot Tube (Tim Bryan)
19. 03:18 PM - Re: Repairman's certificate application (Mike Robertson)
20. 04:03 PM - Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna (David Leonard)
21. 04:24 PM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Dave B)
22. 05:07 PM - Re: Repairman's certificate application (Gerry Filby)
23. 05:43 PM - Re: CAG (Sherman Butler)
24. 05:54 PM - Re: spin testing with unexpected result (wskimike)
25. 06:17 PM - Re: spin testing and right control stick (Dale Walter)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
27. 07:31 PM - Re: GPS antenna under cowl (Vanremog@aol.com)
28. 10:03 PM - Re: spin testing and right control stick (Rob Prior)
29. 11:07 PM - Re: spin testing and right control stick (JOHN STARN)
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| Subject: | Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also
reflects a particular company=92s market dominance ' just look at the
cost of
Windows XP and then look at Microsoft=92s balance sheet. XP is terribly
overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on
Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable
but
cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all
its
features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I
were
to be objective, I=92d probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III ' it
probably has
more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the
fact
that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to
have
a Garmin 430 or a poor woman=92s version in the form of a GPSmap 496.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: mardi 9 janvier 2007 06:34
Subject: Re: RV-List: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
This makes a lot of sense. The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just
like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter. Best I can tell, the
UPS
stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and
features
(like that internal splitter - which works well). IMHO, Garmin makes
the
best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their
UAT
receiver the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS.
They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the
mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a
Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such
mark-ups.
Dave Leonard
On 1/8/07, Charles Reiche <charlieray@optonline.net> wrote:
>
He may have misheard you. The 480 has a single nav/gs combined coax
connection and the 430/530 have independant inputs that can be fed with
one
coax coming from his antennas to a mini-circuits type splitter that
works up
to 500 mhz.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
<mailto:bo124rs@hotmail.com> >
>
> I talked with Bob on the phone who stated the Garmin 430 has in
internal
> "splitter" that will split the single coming off his NAV wingtip
antenna
> and show both glide slope and localizer. In doing my final hookups
> yesterday, I saw the glideslope male plug on the back of the housing.
Bob
> is truly an antenna wizard but I wonder about the above statement. I
have
> the wingtip antenna plugged into the NAV antenna hookup at this time.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
Michele and others. I think you would be surprised at the mark up in general
aviation products. If you recall around the mid 80's, you could buy a
bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time engine. I used to work in drug
seized aircraft and there were deals everywhere. Soon thereafter people
started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna, Raytheon, Piper etc. Due to
this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way high to to liability
issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in essence could be
considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I talked with
Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier aerospace
and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was around 75-80%
of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of Rvdom. After
building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple of things
differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think about it it
makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure you can
buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it adds to
the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and maintenance
aspect are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes
pretty much bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in
the future have a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross country
trips my GPS 1000 (portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the
airport loaner car it goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing well.
Regards
Glenn Williams
A&P
I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also
reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost of
Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly
overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on
Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but
cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its
features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were
to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably has
more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact
that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to have
a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's version in the form of a GPSmap 496.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Michele and others. I think you
would be
surprised at the mark up in general aviation products. If you recall
around the
mid 80's, you could buy a bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time
engine. I used to work in drug seized aircraft and there were deals
everywhere.
Soon thereafter people started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna,
Raytheon,
Piper etc. Due to this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way
high to
to liability issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in
essence
could be considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I
talked
with Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier
aerospace and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was
around
75-80% of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of
Rvdom.
After building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple
of
things differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think
about it
it makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure
you can
buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it
adds to
the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and
maintenance aspect
are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes
pretty much
bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in the
future have
a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross country trips my
GPS 1000
(portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the airport loaner
car it
goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing
well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe
general
aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also reflects a
particular
company's market dominance - just look at the cost of Windows XP
and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly overpriced
but
then what can one do if the programs you need only run on Windows. Back
to GA
GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but cheaper
alternatives for
a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its features? It really is
a
question of mission profile. In my case, if I were to be objective, I'd
probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably has more than I
shall
ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact that I am
building a
very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to have a Garmin 430 or
a poor
woman's version in the form of a GPSmap
496.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip extensions |
[quote="Mark Phillips in TN"]Hi Rick- are you talking about nav/pos lights or landing
lights? Mark Phillips N51PW - do not archive
> [b]
Hi Mark,
Regrettably, that is not the link I seek. I want to bond the nav/position light extentions that Van's sells...http://tinyurl.com/y3z22q
onto the wingtips. I once saw a link that displayed a step by step technique and
a short description of each step of the process one picture at a time for installing
those extentions. Very user friendly. The method used is better than
the way I bonded the extentions on my 6A wingtips. I would like to install
them that way this time around but trying to find that link again is like trying
to find a needle in a haystack.
Rick Galati
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=86499#86499
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| Subject: | Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
Don't know what all this $$$, Garmin, SL, liability thing had to do with a
splitter..................but thanks for the splitter advice.
Just a thought.....................you might want to change the subject
line. I had to wade through opinions to find my answer. Not starting the
day off on a soapbox, just thinking out loud:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "Williams, Glenn" <GRWilliams2@bellhelicopter.textron.com>
>To: "'rv-list@matronics.com'" <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 06:11:23 -0600
>
>Michele and others. I think you would be surprised at the mark up in
>general
>aviation products. If you recall around the mid 80's, you could buy a
>bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time engine. I used to work in drug
>seized aircraft and there were deals everywhere. Soon thereafter people
>started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna, Raytheon, Piper etc. Due to
>this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way high to to liability
>issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in essence could be
>considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I talked with
>Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier aerospace
>and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was around 75-80%
>of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of Rvdom. After
>building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple of things
>differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think about it it
>makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure you
>can
>buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it adds
>to
>the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and maintenance
>aspect are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes
>pretty much bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in
>the future have a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross
>country
>trips my GPS 1000 (portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the
>airport loaner car it goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing well.
>
>
>Regards
>
> Glenn Williams
>
> A&P
>
>
>I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also
>reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost of
>Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly
>overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on
>Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but
>cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its
>features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were
>to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably
>has
>more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact
>that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to
>have
>a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's version in the form of a GPSmap 496.
>
>
>Michele
>
>RV8 - Finishing
>
>
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| Subject: | Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
Actually the pricing scheme is based on available market to buy the
product and share the expense of the design. There are allot more
boaters out there to offset the design of the software, where there are
less pilots, and even fewer who are willing to shell out big dollars for
upgrades, from 196-296-396-496, so they have to offset that with a
higher cost of entry.
Now do not get me wrong, I too believe there is an incredible mark up
just based on the fact that GA is an elitist group, but hey I am a pilot
with an ego, and it would not be as much fun if everyone could do it,
right?
Dan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mich=E8le
Delsol
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also
reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost
of Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly
overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on
Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable
but cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need
all its features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my
case, if I were to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot
III - it probably has more than I shall ever use. But since I am not
fully rational as the fact that I am building a very expensive toy
attests, I surely would love to have a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's
version in the form of a GPSmap 496.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: mardi 9 janvier 2007 06:34
Subject: Re: RV-List: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
This makes a lot of sense. The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just
like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter. Best I can tell, the
UPS stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and
features (like that internal splitter - which works well). IMHO, Garmin
makes the best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330,
and their UAT receiver the GDL-90), but only because they bought out
UPS.
They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the
mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a
Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such
mark-ups.
Dave Leonard
On 1/8/07, Charles Reiche <charlieray@optonline.net> wrote:
>
He may have misheard you. The 480 has a single nav/gs combined coax
connection and the 430/530 have independant inputs that can be fed with
one
coax coming from his antennas to a mini-circuits type splitter that
works up
to 500 mhz.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
>
> I talked with Bob on the phone who stated the Garmin 430 has in
internal
> "splitter" that will split the single coming off his NAV wingtip
antenna
> and show both glide slope and localizer. In doing my final hookups
> yesterday, I saw the glideslope male plug on the back of the housing.
Bob
> is truly an antenna wizard but I wonder about the above statement. I
have
> the wingtip antenna plugged into the NAV antenna hookup at this time.
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio
powered
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
David Leonard wrote:
> This makes a lot of sense. The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just
> like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter. Best I can tell, the
> UPS
> stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and features
> (like that internal splitter - which works well). IMHO, Garmin makes the
> best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT
> receiver the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS.
>
> They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the
> mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a
> Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such
> mark-ups.
I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the
plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I
already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but
if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will
work just fine.
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c
Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
Interesting option. I wonder if one could still drive his AP with the 376...
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
>
> I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the
> plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I
> already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but
> if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will
> work just fine.
>
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c
>
> Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Orndorff RV9 Empennage video |
For anyone just beginning I have a once used RV9 Empennage
Construction video presented by
George Orndorff. I will sell for $15 with slow media shipping or $18
priority mail.
lancej@charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
On 9 Jan 2007, at 10:08, Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> David Leonard wrote:
>> This makes a lot of sense. The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow
>> unit just
>> like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter. Best I can
>> tell, the UPS
>> stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and
>> features
>> (like that internal splitter - which works well). IMHO, Garmin
>> makes the
>> best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and
>> their UAT
>> receiver the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS.
>> They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid
>> of the
>> mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS
>> with a
>> Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such
>> mark-ups.
>
>
> I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for
> the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't
> there (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is
> winds aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad
> then the $900 unit will work just fine.
>
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c
>
> Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-)
I wonder if there is a groundspeed limit. My dad purchased an older
Garmin marine handheld GPS many years ago (forget which model), as it
was a lot cheaper than the equivalent aviation handheld GPS. It had
a groundspeed limit of either 99 kt or 99 mph (forget which), and it
would shutdown if you exceeded that speed. It isn't a major issue
for him, as his Fleet Canuck taildragger cruises at 75 kt. Of course
it is a bummer to have to slow down on the one day when you get a big
tailwind. :)
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
> On 9 Jan 2007, at 10:08, Sam Buchanan wrote:
>> I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for
>> the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there
>> (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds
>> aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the
>> $900 unit will work just fine.
>>
>> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c
>>
>> Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-)
>
> I wonder if there is a groundspeed limit. My dad purchased an older
> Garmin marine handheld GPS many years ago (forget which model), as it
> was a lot cheaper than the equivalent aviation handheld GPS. It had a
> groundspeed limit of either 99 kt or 99 mph (forget which), and it would
> shutdown if you exceeded that speed. It isn't a major issue for him, as
> his Fleet Canuck taildragger cruises at 75 kt. Of course it is a bummer
> to have to slow down on the one day when you get a big tailwind. :)
Excellent question and one for which I have no answer. I had forgotten
about the speed limit on some of the old GPS's. Maybe somebody will ping
Garmin and get an answer.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | spin testing with unexpected result |
Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A
My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by
himself, sitting alone in the left seat.
He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other aerobatic
capabilities of the plane.
So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course) and the
instructor right.
I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first.
Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forward......and then he yelled
at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand....RECOVER!!!!!!!
So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself.
No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it.
Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger stick.
Arnold de Brie
RV7A
PH-PWP
The Netherlands
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| Subject: | Repairman's certificate application |
Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Applicat
ion" - don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an
Experimental. Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do
I have the right form ?
Thx
g
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| Subject: | Garmin cost (was: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna) |
Way back when I bought my first gps for boating (maybe it was my second -- I
love these things!) I remember that Garmin discouraged using their less
expensive non-aviation gps's in airplanes by having a maximum ground speed
to 100 mph (or was it knots?). Of course I tried it anyway, and of course it
quit working at 100 mph or knots. I don't remember exactly what stopped
working about it, but it did. I don't know if they still do this or not.
This was probably around 1995 or so.
As for the value of the Garmin 496, saying $2800 is too expensive for a gps
is like saying $7500 is too expensive for a com radio when you are talking
about a Garmin 430. Both are multifunction machines that need to be
evaluated based on what you need them to do.
Terry
>
> They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the
> mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a
> Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such
> mark-ups.
I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the
plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I
already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but
if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will
work just fine.
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c
Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Repairman's certificate application |
Yep...that's the correct form. If you look under the word "CERTIFICATE" at the
top of the form, you should see the "REPAIRMAN" block.
Bill
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf@gerf.com>
Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Application" -
don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental.
Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right
form ?
Thx
g
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| Subject: | Gertz Pitot Tube |
I am installing the wiring for the Gertz heated pitot tube on my RV-8A.
I have questions concerning the utility of the LED display that came
with the kit.
How useful is the display? Is it worth the wiring weight?
Seems to me that that in-flight the pitot tube heat will be turned on in
wx, and will either work or not, and the lights have little value.
Anyone have any opinions? (Admittedly an oxymoron question for this
group)
Paul Valovich
Ridgecrest, CA
N192NM Reserved
(Any CAG 19 Vietnam-era guys out there?)
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| Subject: | Re: Repairman's certificate application |
Hi Gerry:
On the recommendation of others, I called my local FSDO (Atlanta) and
asked for an "Amateur-Built Registration Package". The first lady I
spoke with knew exactly what I was talking about and sent me a rather
large packet in the mail with example forms filled out and a huge
collection of advisory circulars for all things related to certifying
and flight testing our RVs.
I was pleasantly surprised by the response and the speed with which I
received the package.
Best,
Jamie
http://rv.jpainter.org
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| Subject: | Re: Gertz Pitot Tube |
I installed an LED on the "ON" side of the switch in my 8 to remind me "its
on".
John
D'Onofrio N585JD
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| Subject: | Gertz Pitot Tube |
Since it is automatic, it might be nice to know when it is coming on. Just
an observation since I don't have that unit.
Tim
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gertz Pitot Tube
I am installing the wiring for the Gertz heated pitot tube on my RV-8A. I
have questions concerning the utility of the LED display that came with the
kit.
How useful is the display? Is it worth the wiring weight?
Seems to me that that in-flight the pitot tube heat will be turned on in wx,
and will either work or not, and the lights have little value.
Anyone have any opinions? (Admittedly an oxymoron question for this group)
Paul Valovich
Ridgecrest, CA
N192NM Reserved
(Any CAG 19 Vietnam-era guys out there?)
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| Subject: | Repairman's certificate application |
Gerry,
Here is the link to the AC on how to fill the application for repairman out
.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircula
r.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
From: gerf@gerf.comTo: rv-list@matronics.comDate: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:01:35
+0000Subject: RV-List: Repairman's certificate applicationJust downloaded F
AA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Application" - don't see an
ything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental. Anyon
e got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right form
?Thxg
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna |
I'm pretty sure you could use the marine unit to steer your autopilot Larry,
it has NMEA output. You will probably need to hand enter most of the
waypoints though, so it would be far less than ideal. However, putting the
auto pilot to its "maintain current course" setting would work for most
situations.
I am most interested in a 396/496 to display traffic data from the 330 mode
S transponder. I doubt the marine unit would do that.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
On 1/9/07, Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting option. I wonder if one could still drive his AP with the
> 376...
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the
> > plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I
> > already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but
> > if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will
> > work just fine.
> >
> > http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c
> >
> > Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-)
> >
> > Sam Buchanan
>
> LOL Sam. That is a riot. I wonder what the GPS would think of a boat
doing 200 kts.... at 10,000 feet. I wonder if it even has altitude data.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna under cowl |
I think that most "metallic paint" today uses mylar for the flakes, not
metal so there should be no problem, But you may still find paint that
uses metal, so check before you use it.
Dave
PeterHunt1@aol.com wrote:
> Bill S. asked if anyone had actually mounted a GPS antenna under the
> engine cowl and then used metallic flake paint on the cowl. I did
> just that and mine works great. I mounted my Garmin 530 GPS antenna
> on a platform which I attached high and center on the engine side of
> my firewall. The cowl and much of the rest of my airplane is painted
> with a beautiful teal metal flake paint. I now have 200 hours on my
> RV-6 and not the slightest problem with this GPS antenna
> installation. I lock into a GPS signal quickly (within 30 seconds of
> start up) and never had a problem losing it in flight. Further,
> before I made this installation (during construction in 2004) I talked
> with the Garmin people and they did not see any problems with my
> installation. I do open my oil access door after flying, but that is
> more to just help the whole engine compartment cool down.
>
> Pete in Clearwater, FL
> RV-6, Reserve Grand Champion - Kit, 2006 Sun n' Fun
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Repairman's certificate application |
Perfect ! Thanks all for your comments.
BTW ... I just heard that if you apply before the Airworthy Cert gets "in
the system" they take the opportunity to get out the office and come vis
it to check on your Special Airworthyness Certificate.
g
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Robertson [mailto:mrobert569@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 03:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Repairman's certificate application
Gerry,
Here is the link to the AC on how to fill the application for repairman o
ut.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircu
lar.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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Subject: RV-List: Repairman's certificate application
Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Applicat
ion" - don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an
Experimental. Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do
I have the right form ?
Thx
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"Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich@dcscorp.com> wrote:
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Anyone have any opinions? (Admittedly an oxymoron question for this group)
Paul Valovich
Ridgecrest, CA
N192NM Reserved
(Any CAG 19 Vietnam-era guys out there?)
Do not archive
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RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| Subject: | Re: spin testing with unexpected result |
I don't think I would have told that story. It sounds like somebody made
a big Quality Assurance mistake.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnold de Brie
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: RV-List: spin testing with unexpected result
Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A
My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by
himself, sitting alone in the left seat.
He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other
aerobatic capabilities of the plane.
So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course)
and the instructor right.
I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first.
Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forward......and then he
yelled at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand....RECOVER!!!!!!!
So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself.
No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it.
Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger
stick.
Arnold de Brie
RV7A
PH-PWP
The Netherlands
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| Subject: | spin testing and right control stick |
Thanks for the information, I believe it will help others. My companion
pulled the stick out when she was doing a take off. It was held in with
about 2 pounds of friction, but we hit a big bump at 200 feet msl. Then I
made a permanent connection up to floor level and a 5/16 threaded rod
connection into a brass insert (from pool cue hardware) to make the upper
section removable.
Dale (the cuemaker)
RV6a
758 hours
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arnold de Brie
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:59 AM
Subject: RV-List: spin testing with unexpected result
Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A
My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by
himself, sitting alone in the left seat.
He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other aerobatic
capabilities of the plane.
So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course) and the
instructor right.
I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first.
Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forward......and then he yelled
at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand....RECOVER!!!!!!!
So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself.
No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it.
Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger stick.
Arnold de Brie
RV7A
PH-PWP
The Netherlands
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| Subject: | GPS antenna under cowl |
Mylar is reflective for RF, we used Mylar balloons in the Navy for
targeting practice, and when it is coated its reflectivity can be
increased to create chaff clouds or blooms. The only real way to tell or
not is to paint a like surface with the type of paint you are going to
use, place the antenna under it and test for signal acquisition.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave B
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl
I think that most "metallic paint" today uses mylar for the flakes, not
metal so there should be no problem, But you may still find paint that
uses metal, so check before you use it.
Dave
PeterHunt1@aol.com wrote:
> Bill S. asked if anyone had actually mounted a GPS antenna under the
> engine cowl and then used metallic flake paint on the cowl. I did
> just that and mine works great. I mounted my Garmin 530 GPS antenna
> on a platform which I attached high and center on the engine side of
> my firewall. The cowl and much of the rest of my airplane is painted
> with a beautiful teal metal flake paint. I now have 200 hours on my
> RV-6 and not the slightest problem with this GPS antenna
> installation. I lock into a GPS signal quickly (within 30 seconds of
> start up) and never had a problem losing it in flight. Further,
> before I made this installation (during construction in 2004) I talked
> with the Garmin people and they did not see any problems with my
> installation. I do open my oil access door after flying, but that is
> more to just help the whole engine compartment cool down.
>
> Pete in Clearwater, FL
> RV-6, Reserve Grand Champion - Kit, 2006 Sun n' Fun
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna under cowl |
In a message dated 1/9/2007 7:25:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, LloydD
R@wernerco.com writes:
Mylar is reflective for RF, we used Mylar balloons in the Navy for
targeting practice, and when it is coated its reflectivity can be
increased to create chaff clouds or blooms. The only real way to tell or
not is to paint a like surface with the type of paint you are going to
use, place the antenna under it and test for signal acquisition.
Just in case anyone is actually interested enough in science to care, Mylar
(polyester) is not reflective for RF. Metallized Mylar however is reflective
to RF because it (surprise) is metallized.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 830hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | spin testing and right control stick |
On 18:16 2007-01-09 "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the information, I believe it will help others. My
> companion pulled the stick out when she was doing a take off. It was
> held in with about 2 pounds of friction, but we hit a big bump at 200
> feet msl. Then I made a permanent connection up to floor level and a
> 5/16 threaded rod connection into a brass insert (from pool cue
> hardware) to make the upper section removable.
750 hours later it sounds like you might have a good solution, but just in
case others try to duplicate this just consider that pool cue hardware is
designed for loading along the axis of a pool cue. It's not designed to be
bent back and forth at that joint as one would by exerting control forces
on the stick.
It may be that the loads are too low to matter for a good hefty cue joint,
but i'd hate to see the spindle fatigue on someone because they didn't at
least consider it. :)
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: spin testing and right control stick |
Many years ago when I was in high school (1957) I was a victim of mistaken
identity. Was playing pool at a local bowling alley. Some skirt told her
boyfriend that a guy in a red shirt made a pass at her. I was wearing a red
shirt. He stormed in, grabbed a pool cue from a player (by the thin end) and
as I was lining up for a shot he hit me across nose/eye area. The screwed
together center broke. Knocked me out cold, both eyes bloodied & shut tight.
He came in with 2 buddies for backup BUT there were more than a dozen of my
football teammates there. They called the cops, arrested him and sent me to
the hospital. Nothing broken but Doc. said it was lucky he didn't pick up a
solid cue or he could have killed me.
IF I were going to use the screw idea, which sounds a good one, I'd use
either an AN bolt or an exhaust stud. Almost anything but brass. KABONG
Do Not Archive. HRII N561FS
PS: We drilled & used a AN bolt & fiber lock nut on both sticks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: spin testing and right control stick
>
> On 18:16 2007-01-09 "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Thanks for the information, I believe it will help others. My
>> companion pulled the stick out when she was doing a take off. It was
>> held in with about 2 pounds of friction, but we hit a big bump at 200
>> feet msl. Then I made a permanent connection up to floor level and a
>> 5/16 threaded rod connection into a brass insert (from pool cue
>> hardware) to make the upper section removable.
>
> 750 hours later it sounds like you might have a good solution, but just in
> case others try to duplicate this just consider that pool cue hardware is
> designed for loading along the axis of a pool cue. It's not designed to
> be
> bent back and forth at that joint as one would by exerting control forces
> on the stick.
>
> It may be that the loads are too low to matter for a good hefty cue joint,
> but i'd hate to see the spindle fatigue on someone because they didn't at
> least consider it. :)
>
> -Rob
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