RV-List Digest Archive

Sat 01/13/07


Total Messages Posted: 23



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     1. 05:14 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Chuck Jensen)
     2. 06:28 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Charlie England)
     3. 06:33 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Bill VonDane)
     4. 09:14 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Tedd McHenry)
     5. 09:47 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Tim Bryan)
     6. 09:48 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Tim Bryan)
     7. 10:11 AM - Re: Cracked canopy (n801bh@netzero.com)
     8. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (Tim Bryan)
     9. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (gert)
    10. 10:53 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Rob Prior)
    11. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (Rob Prior)
    12. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (N122RL@aol.com)
    13. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (Terry Watson)
    14. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (linn Walters)
    15. 11:49 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Bill Boyd)
    16. 11:53 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Bill Boyd)
    17. 12:12 PM - stainless screws (sarg314)
    18. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Cracked canopy (Jeff Point)
    19. 04:05 PM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Bob Perkinson)
    20. 06:01 PM - Flightline Interiors (Randall E Russell)
    21. 06:36 PM - Re: Flightline Interiors (John Fasching)
    22. 09:18 PM - Re: Flightline Interiors (sportypilot)
    23. 09:36 PM - Re: Flightline Interiors (Bayne)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:14:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
    From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
    Or, another take on it is to be able to dial into a number, then input the tail number or flight number. The program would send to your cell phone screen the departure time, current position, speed, altitude, ETA.....and so on. A map would be way way cool, but one step at a time. I haven't a clue how to pull this information together but it's obviously out there since FlightAware and the websites for each airline pulls the information down from the system. Where's Dan Checkoway....calling Dan Checkoway!!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)


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    Time: 06:28:02 AM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
    Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > software and such. > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > smoking hole ;o). > > Any comments or takers > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a moving dot on a map. Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from several thousand feet in the air. I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my license. I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. Charlie


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    Time: 06:33:38 AM PST US
    From: "Bill VonDane" <bill@vondane.com>
    Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
    MessageSounds very interesting... I will look into it and see what can be done... -Bill VonDane www.rv8a.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Jensen Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Or, another take on it is to be able to dial into a number, then input the tail number or flight number. The program would send to your cell phone screen the departure time, current position, speed, altitude, ETA.....and so on. A map would be way way cool, but one step at a time. I haven't a clue how to pull this information together but it's obviously out there since FlightAware and the websites for each airline pulls the information down from the system. Where's Dan Checkoway....calling Dan Checkoway!!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 09:14:31 AM PST US
    From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
    Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
    I saw a presentation at a local flying club a year or two ago by CASARA (Civil Air Search and Rescue Association) in which they described using a GPS and ham radio system to track their aircraft during a search. --- Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC, Canada DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:47:44 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
    We do a similar thing in our application for the waste management industry. We update about every 2 minutes and show position on a map or a web map. The problem is we do use cell technology (data side) to send the updates. Cell signal doesn't work very well at altitude. Might need another medium to send the signals. At altitude however the signal can sure travel further. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)


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    Time: 09:48:40 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
    I am a Ham operator, but I don't have any idea how to do this. A local Ham club if somebody belongs would be a great place to get answers. Tim KC7UZK > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:26 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? > > > Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > > > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > > software and such. > > > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > > smoking hole ;o). > > > > Any comments or takers > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital > 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. > > On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data > & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that > can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator > sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest > repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a > moving dot on a map. > > Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at > this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA > should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' > (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, > one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from > several thousand feet in the air. > > I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my > license. > > I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. > > Charlie > > >


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    Time: 10:11:42 AM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: RE: Cracked canopy
    On a flight around the patch with a hangar mate in his RV-6 yesterday th e canopy cracked while we were taxing out. Taxiway was a little rough fo r built up ice and the temp was -2f. About halfway to the active we hear d a pop and noticed the rear portion of the canopy had a 3 inch crack go ing bothways from the center stiffener, this was 5" or so rearward of th e place where the top mates with the front windshield. He is getting stu ff together to replace the thing but not looking forward to the VERY len gthy process. Since he doesn't like puters I have two questions for you guys that I will relay back to him. Is there any product that can be squirted, injected, packed or by whatev er means,,, into the crack to glue it back together till he gets the rep air done??? He tells me the canopy comes in a complete section, he fitted it so that it fit perfectly all the way around and then cut the in half at the lik e Vans calls for. Has anybody ever replaced just the back half by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go through the entir e whole canopy thing?? thanks in advance, do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== <html><P>On a flight around the patch with a hangar mate in his RV-6 yes terday the canopy cracked while we were taxing out. Taxiway was a little rough for built up ice and the temp was -2f. About halfway to the activ e we heard a pop and noticed the rear portion of the canopy had a 3 inch crack going bothways from the center stiffener, this was 5" or so rearw ard of the place where the top mates with the front windshield. He is ge tting stuff together to replace the thing but not looking forward to the VERY lengthy process. Since he doesn't like puters&nbsp;I have two ques tions for you guys that I will relay back to him.</P> <P>Is there any product that can be squirted, injected, packed or by wha tever means,,, into the crack to&nbsp;glue it back together till he gets the repair done???&nbsp;</P> <P>He tells me the canopy comes in a complete section, he fitted it so t hat it fit perfectly all the way around and then cut the in half at the like Vans calls for. Has anybody ever replaced just the back half by mak ing a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go through the en tire whole canopy thing??</P> <P>thanks in advance,&nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;do not archive<BR><BR>Ben&nbsp;Haas<BR>N801BH<BR>www.haaspowera ======================== sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-&nbsp;The&nbsp =&nbsp;the&nbsp;many&nbsp;List&nbsp;utilities&nbsp;such&nbsp;as&nbsp;t ======================== ======================== sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-&nbsp;NEW&nbsp p;content&nbsp;now&nbsp;also&nbsp;available&nbsp;via&nbsp;the&nbsp;Web&n ======================== ===============<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 10:38:48 AM PST US
    From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
    Subject: RE: Cracked canopy
    A friend cracked his canopy up in the front windscreen area. He had a local plexi repair guy come out and do a repair. They inject something in there and buff it, etc. It looked pretty good except the area was such that it had a little blur in it. His was in a terrible spot for that but on top might be OK. I would certainly look into that before replacing the canopy. Yuck. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh@netzero.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: RV-List: RE: Cracked canopy On a flight around the patch with a hangar mate in his RV-6 yesterday the canopy cracked while we were taxing out. Taxiway was a little rough for built up ice and the temp was -2f. About halfway to the active we heard a pop and noticed the rear portion of the canopy had a 3 inch crack going bothways from the center stiffener, this was 5" or so rearward of the place where the top mates with the front windshield. He is getting stuff together to replace the thing but not looking forward to the VERY lengthy process. Since he doesn't like puters I have two questions for you guys that I will relay back to him. Is there any product that can be squirted, injected, packed or by whatever means,,, into the crack to glue it back together till he gets the repair done??? He tells me the canopy comes in a complete section, he fitted it so that it fit perfectly all the way around and then cut the in half at the like Vans calls for. Has anybody ever replaced just the back half by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go through the entire whole canopy thing?? thanks in advance, do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowera========================sp; - The = the many List utilities such as t================================================sp; - NEW&nbspp;content now also available via the Web&n======================================


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    Time: 10:50:24 AM PST US
    From: gert <gert.v@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
    U know, those may be questions best asked to folks like Todd's Canopees.... I believe Todd has supplied on request partial canopees when one end had a defect after blowing. n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > > On a flight around the patch with a hangar mate in his RV-6 yesterday > the canopy cracked while we were taxing out. Taxiway was a little > rough for built up ice and the temp was -2f. About halfway to the > active we heard a pop and noticed the rear portion of the canopy had a > 3 inch crack going bothways from the center stiffener, this was 5" or > so rearward of the place where the top mates with the front > windshield. He is getting stuff together to replace the thing but not > looking forward to the VERY lengthy process. Since he doesn't like > puters I have two questions for you guys that I will relay back to him. > > Is there any product that can be squirted, injected, packed or by > whatever means,,, into the crack to glue it back together till he gets > the repair done??? > > He tells me the canopy comes in a complete section, he fitted it so > that it fit perfectly all the way around and then cut the in half at > the like Vans calls for. Has anybody ever replaced just the back half > by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go > through the entire whole canopy thing?? > > thanks in advance, > > do not archive > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowera========================sp; - The = the many List utilities such as t================================================sp; - NEW&nbspp;content now also available via the Web&n====================================== > > > * > > > * -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, '227, any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. --------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Time: 10:53:07 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
    Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
    On 9:46 2007-01-13 "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote: > We do a similar thing in our application for the waste management > industry. We update about every 2 minutes and show position on a map > or a web map. The problem is we do use cell technology (data side) to > send the updates. Cell signal doesn't work very well at altitude. For what it's worth, in Canada cell phones work fine up to at least 5000' AGL. At least, that's as high as i've used one and had no problems with signal strength or quality. I'm not sure if there's something different about the way the cell networks are set up in the US, maybe there is. Oh, and I think the ham radio setup people are referring to is "packet radio", which sends "packets" of data over the ham network. I had a co-worker who used it along with a portable GPS to track the family van via a webpage. Really neat technology. -Rob


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    Time: 10:59:33 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
    Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
    On 10:09 2007-01-13 "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com> wrote: > Has anybody ever replaced just the back > half by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go > through the entire whole canopy thing?? thanks in advance, If he does end up needing (or just wanting) to replace the whole thing, point him to the Matronics Wiki on glueing the canopy instead. http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Gluing_Your_Canopy Glueing will bond the canopy in place without placing any localized stresses on the plexi like you will get with screws/rivets. -Rob


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    Time: 11:07:03 AM PST US
    From: N122RL@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
    Had the same thing happen to my 6-A two years ago in the same place. I glued the crack back together with some glue I got from ca. I then put a 1 in. backup along the inside of the crack. Have been waiting for the right time to replace the canopy. I can check to see what the stuff is that I used if you like, It really works great. Bob Lau 6-A 800 hrs.


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    Time: 11:32:25 AM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: RE: Cracked canopy
    Here's an item from the RV list archives about repairing canopy cracks. There are lots more in there, but this should get you started. Terry Match: #15 Message: #102802 Date: Dec 10, 2002 From: Jeff Point <jpoint(at)mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Canopy crack :-( Chris, I have a nearly identical crack in mine near the forward end of the skirt (on a tip up though) which happened while drilling. I stop drilled it, used Weldon 3 injected with a medical syringe (it is watery thin) and let it cure. Then I filled the stop-drill hole with epoxy, let that cure, and sanded it flush, then used Micro Mesh to fix the plexi. Turned out, well, not perfect, but not too bad, and better than a new canopy. A better solution (which I considered but abandoned) may have been to find or make a plug of plexi for the hole and glue it in with Weldon, then sand it flush. I played around quite a bit with the Weldon and scrap plexi. Based on my very un-scientific testing, it seems that the joint is about 50-75% as strong as unbroken plexi, judging by the force required to re-break the fused piece. Pretty amazing stuff. Never did try disolving plexi shavings though. Certainly I have plenty of them after cutting and drilling the canopy. I have 99.5% of the one quart can left, and you're welcome to it if you don't feel like waiting for AC$. Jeff Point -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Cracked canopy On 10:09 2007-01-13 "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com> wrote: > Has anybody ever replaced just the back > half by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go > through the entire whole canopy thing?? thanks in advance, If he does end up needing (or just wanting) to replace the whole thing, point him to the Matronics Wiki on glueing the canopy instead. http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Gluing_Your_Canopy Glueing will bond the canopy in place without placing any localized stresses on the plexi like you will get with screws/rivets. -Rob


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    Time: 11:35:26 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
    n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > On a flight around the patch with a hangar mate in his RV-6 yesterday > the canopy cracked while we were taxing out. Taxiway was a little > rough for built up ice and the temp was -2f. About halfway to the > active we heard a pop and noticed the rear portion of the canopy had a > 3 inch crack going bothways from the center stiffener, this was 5" or > so rearward of the place where the top mates with the front > windshield. He is getting stuff together to replace the thing but not > looking forward to the VERY lengthy process. Since he doesn't like > puters I have two questions for you guys that I will relay back to him. > > Is there any product that can be squirted, injected, packed or by > whatever means,,, into the crack to glue it back together till he gets > the repair done??? > Go to a sign shop and buy a can of glue for acrylic. It's like water, and you will have good luck using a diabetic syringe to administer it to the crack. Use just a little bit and it'll weep along the crack. > He tells me the canopy comes in a complete section, he fitted it so > that it fit perfectly all the way around and then cut the in half at > the like Vans calls for. Has anybody ever replaced just the back half > by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go > through the entire whole canopy thing?? > Sorry, can't help with that one. One of two ain't bad!!! linn > thanks in advance, > > do not archive > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowera========================sp; - The = the many List utilities such as t================================================sp; - NEW&nbspp;content now also available via the Web&n====================================== > >


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    Time: 11:49:34 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
    Hi, Charlie. Your reference is to APRS, operating typically on the 2m band, using a beacon mode known as Mic-E. I've read alot about it but never done it. Coverage is far from nationwide at this time, but high in metro areas, and the tracking info it provides is open data for all to view on the web. AIrcraft equipment requirement would be just a NMEA GPS cable to a 2m handie talkie with a Mic-E modem to key the beacon at appropriate intervals. Rubber duck antenna would suffice, I think. Google "APRS" for more than you ever wanted to know, except, it would seem, just how to put it into full operation. Kudo's to whomever can take us pilots the rest of the way there. ADS-B without the fees or the Feds :-) -Bill / Stormy On 1/13/07, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > > > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > > software and such. > > > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > > smoking hole ;o). > > > > Any comments or takers > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital > 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. > > On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data > & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that > can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator > sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest > repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a > moving dot on a map. > > Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at > this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA > should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' > (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, > one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from > several thousand feet in the air. > > I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my > license. > > I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. > > Charlie > >


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    Time: 11:53:03 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
    Cell antennas here in the USA seem to be angled down at the near horizon, with very sharp patterns in the E-plane. Coverage sucks above about 2500 AGL the times I've tried to use the phone aloft. I used to think they were somehow kicking me out for being aero mobile, but I think it's just poor sig strength and maybe a picket-fence type of flutter that makes the equipment drop the call. -Stormy On 1/13/07, Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca> wrote: > > On 9:46 2007-01-13 "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote: > > We do a similar thing in our application for the waste management > > industry. We update about every 2 minutes and show position on a map > > or a web map. The problem is we do use cell technology (data side) to > > send the updates. Cell signal doesn't work very well at altitude. > > For what it's worth, in Canada cell phones work fine up to at least 5000' > AGL. At least, that's as high as i've used one and had no problems with > signal strength or quality. I'm not sure if there's something different > about the way the cell networks are set up in the US, maybe there is. > > Oh, and I think the ham radio setup people are referring to is "packet > radio", which sends "packets" of data over the ham network. I had a > co-worker who used it along with a portable GPS to track the family van via > a webpage. Really neat technology. > > -Rob > >


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    Time: 12:12:00 PM PST US
    From: sarg314 <sarg314@comcast.net>
    Subject: stainless screws
    Is it acceptable to use stainless steel screws to mount things to the firewall? My local hardware store sells what appear to be high quality stainless screws. They certainly cost a lot more than ordinary steel screws. Seem pretty tough. However, I am aware that high temperatures (don't know how high) and vibration can work harden stainless steel. The guys at airflow performance commented to me that the stainless tubes that feed their fuel injectors get to be much stiffer and harder as the flight hours go by. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A


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    Time: 02:15:45 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Point <jpoint@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
    Terry beat me to it, but I was going to recommend Weld-on 3. It's available from Spruce or other suppliers. It's watery thin, wicks into the crack and sets up very strong. Terry quoted my old post with more details. Jeff Point RV-6 flying RV-8 tail kit Milwaukee do not archive >


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    Time: 04:05:25 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
    Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s. There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to radiate horizontally. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > software and such. > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > smoking hole ;o). > > Any comments or takers > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a moving dot on a map. Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from several thousand feet in the air. I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my license. I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. Charlie


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    Time: 06:01:27 PM PST US
    From: "Randall E Russell" <rer51@netscape.ca>
    Subject: Flightline Interiors
    I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO


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    Time: 06:36:58 PM PST US
    From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
    Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
    Abby upholstered the Oregon Aero seats that I purchased (uncovered) and her work was first rate. Really perfect. Turn-around time was very short and the price was right. I recommend her very highly. n1cxo320@salidaco.com


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    Time: 09:18:02 PM PST US
    From: "sportypilot" <sportypilot@stx.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
    I feel the same way, her work is great and more than that she is the sweetest person to deal with, and will go the extra mile to get it exaclty like you want it.. I love mine.. Danny.. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flightline Interiors Abby upholstered the Oregon Aero seats that I purchased (uncovered) and her work was first rate. Really perfect. Turn-around time was very short and the price was right. I recommend her very highly. n1cxo320@salidaco.com


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    Time: 09:36:24 PM PST US
    From: "Bayne" <bjust@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
    Randy, Abby provides an excellent interior kit for the 9A. I completed the installation from baggage compartment to firewall on my 9A in one day. I will send photos to you. Bayne RV9A N910BJ Gillespie field, San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall E Russell To: RV-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: RV-List: Flightline Interiors I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/12/2007 2:04 PM




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