---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/14/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:40 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 2. 06:54 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (alan@reichertech.com) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Flightline Interiors (T Chang) 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Flightline Interiors (T Chang) 6. 08:44 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Dave Nellis) 7. 09:41 AM - Re: Flightline Interiors (RV7AODYSSEY@aol.com) 8. 09:47 AM - Re: Loss of Kershner (bertrv6@highstream.net) 9. 11:00 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Bill Boyd) 10. 11:47 AM - Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Tim Bryan) 11. 12:45 PM - Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Kevin Horton) 12. 01:21 PM - Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Tedd McHenry) 13. 02:43 PM - Colin Walker - March 31, 1928 - January 10, 2007 (Rob Prior) 14. 07:41 PM - Superior Recall followup (Bobby Hester) 15. 08:59 PM - Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Panama) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:30 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this is a fact, though. I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately. Dan Hopper RV-7A Ham call K9WEK In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk@bellsouth.net writes: Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s. There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to radiate horizontally. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:22 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? There's a Sprint cell tower ON my airfield and I get the full 6 bars of strength when on the ground yet I've NEVER noticed the cell phone showing ready for use when flying. It's almost like it's smart enough to ignore my phone when I go faster than I would be in a car...I don't know what's really going on but I've just never got a signal while actually flying. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Hopperdhh@aol.com I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this is a fact, though. I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately. Dan Hopper RV-7A Ham call K9WEK In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk@bellsouth.net writes: Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s. There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to radiate horizontally. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes
There's a Sprint cell tower ON my airfield and I get the full 6 bars of strength when on the ground yet I've NEVER noticed the cell phone showing ready for use when flying.  It's almost like it's smart enough to ignore my phone when I go faster than I would be in a car...I don't know what's really going on but I've just never got a signal while actually flying.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out.  Not sure if this is a fact, though.
 
I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately.
 
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
Ham call K9WEK
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk@bellsouth.net writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>

Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s.
There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's
Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in
south FL. from middle TN.  Takes very little to setup a node.  I had several
set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross
linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is
there.  As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to
radiate horizontally.

Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
 






________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? From: alan@reichertech.com APRS is the "Automatic Packet Reporting System", sometimes erroneously calle the "Automatic Position Reporting System", but it does a lot more than just position. The position reporting implementation uses GPS messages fed to what is called a Terminal Node Controller which, essentially, takes the GPS data, formulates a proper APRS digital message, and punts it to a 2-meter radio for transmission. Once over the airwaves (and assuming good coverage), another station either receives the info and routes it to an internet server, or repeats it on the same frequency for broader coverage. The map on the internet is www.findu.com. Here is the current information on my own APRS station: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=KG4TVQ-1 The portion of the string "KG4TVQ" is my amateur radio ID. the "-1" is the ID of the APRS station I'm using. It is optional, but most hams use it to differentiate different APRS stations (one in each car, one in the house, etc). If I recall correctly, this ID can be anything between 1 and 15. I've just purchased some equipment to set up an APRS system to carry with me in my Skylane, consisting of a small GPS received by Deluo, a small TNC designed specifically for tracking, and a 2-meter handheld I have. There is a fellow in the DC area that had been doing this for a while. He flies AND sails with an APRS system. He does not have any recent flight data, but here is his web page on the subject: http://www.dellabarba.com/flying/tracking/tracking.html Remember, you need to be a licenses ham to do this. If you want to pursue that, check into http://www.arrl.org for licensing information. Probably more than you wanted to know.... - Alan On Sun, January 14, 2007 2:57 am, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > > > Time: 11:49:34 AM PST US > From: "Bill Boyd" > Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? > > > Hi, Charlie. Your reference is to APRS, operating typically on the 2m > band, using a beacon mode known as Mic-E. I've read alot about it but > never done it. Coverage is far from nationwide at this time, but high > in metro areas, and the tracking info it provides is open data for all > to view on the web. AIrcraft equipment requirement would be just a > NMEA GPS cable to a 2m handie talkie with a Mic-E modem to key the > beacon at appropriate intervals. Rubber duck antenna would suffice, I > think. Google "APRS" for more than you ever wanted to know, except, > it would seem, just how to put it into full operation. Kudo's to > whomever can take us pilots the rest of the way there. ADS-B without > the fees or the Feds :-) > > -Bill / Stormy > > On 1/13/07, Charlie England wrote: >> >> Vanremog@aol.com wrote: >> >> > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. >> > >> > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of >> > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write >> > software and such. >> > >> > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone >> > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan >> > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you >> > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or >> > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a >> > smoking hole ;o). >> > >> > Any comments or takers >> > >> > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) >> >> Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital >> 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. >> >> On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data >> & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that >> can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator >> sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest >> repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a >> moving dot on a map. >> >> Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at >> this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA >> should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' >> (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, >> one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from >> several thousand feet in the air. >> >> I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my >> license. >> >> I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. >> >> Charlie >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:25 AM PST US From: T Chang Subject: RV-List: Re: Flightline Interiors Randy, My 9A uses Abby's interiors. First rate job and services, she is highly recommondated. Following is a link to my webpage. http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/matingwingandfuselage2 Ted Chang RV-9A 112 Hours Time: 06:01:27 PM PST US From: "Randall E Russell" Subject: Flightline Interiors I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:39 AM PST US From: T Chang Subject: RV-List: Re: Flightline Interiors Randy, My 9A uses Abby's interiors. First rate job and services, she is highly recommondated. Following is a link to my webpage. http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/matingwingandfuselage2 Ted Chang RV-9A 112 Hours Time: 06:01:27 PM PST US From: "Randall E Russell" Subject: Flightline Interiors I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:47 AM PST US From: Dave Nellis Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? I am not a cell phone expert, but I have a friend who is. I asked him about using cell phones in aircraft and below is his response as best as I can recall. Cell phone towers cover an area like an umbrella. Think of parents under umbrellas at a high school football game. The antennae for cell systems are directed slightly downward so they only cover so much area. This keeps five or six towers from picking up your call and tying up valuable airtime. When you use your cell in an airplane, you can send your signal to twenty towers, which the system is not designed to handle and may drop your call mainly due to not being able to pick the strongest signal, that is if it does in fact pick up your call. Put yourself at 30,000 feet and use your cell phone, you could pick up towers in three states. Dave --- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit > so many cell towers at > once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock > you out. Not sure if this > is a fact, though. > > I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) > back in the early 90's > too, but haven't kept up with what's going on > lately. > > Dan Hopper > RV-7A > Ham call K9WEK > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > bobperk@bellsouth.net writes: > > > Ham radio operators were using digital packet > repeaters back in the 80"s. > There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) > (South East Digital Amateur's > Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate > with another operator in > south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to > setup a node. I had several > set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m > frequencies that cross > linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. > The Technology is > there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more > than likely designed to > radiate horizontally. > > Bob Perkinson > Hendersonville, TN. > RV9 N658RP Reserved > If nothing changes > Nothing changes > It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:24 AM PST US From: RV7AODYSSEY@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Flightline Interiors Hi, I also had purchased Oregon Aero seats for my &A and had abby cover. She did a great job, I also purchased the whole interior package from her. She was great to deal with, worked with me on color scheme and delivered when she said she would. Ed ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:01 AM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Loss of Kershner Quoting Fiveonepw@aol.com: > Apologies for the sentimental and non-RV post, but I was deeply saddened on > hearing of the tragic loss of Bill Kershner- I will always treasure his > signature in my logbook and the fact that his inspiration is a part of what > made me > want to fly. Blue skies, Bill... > > Mark Phillips - do not archive > Mine are the same...My fist book , from him was the inspiration for learning to fly...greeat loss.Bert ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:10 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Keep in mind there's a limited range on these cellular things even line-of-sight. doubt they can work a cell phone tower three states away- inverse, square law and flea power transmitter won't allow it. Great info on the APRS, Alan. So somebody's actually doing it... I had a 2m yaesu 40 watt FM rig in my RV panel for years. Got lots of "what's that?" questions from onlookers, but only used it maybe three times in the air to work other hams, finally took it out to shed the useless pounds. APRS was my intention, but I felt I knew less about APRS after reading Mpas, Tracks and Mobiles than before I read it, so set the whole idea aside. Now that coverage and internet connectivity is more national, it's time to dust off the idea agan, with an HT this time, instead of a panel mount. (No, I'm not putting the IC-7000 in the plane just yet!) At least I know who to contact for Elmer-ing ;-) Poor man's ADS-B, yeah! -Stormy / N4DLN On 1/14/07, Dave Nellis wrote: > > I am not a cell phone expert, but I have a friend who > is. I asked him about using cell phones in aircraft > and below is his response as best as I can recall. > > > Cell phone towers cover an area like an umbrella. > Think of parents under umbrellas at a high school > football game. The antennae for cell systems are > directed slightly downward so they only cover so much > area. This keeps five or six towers from picking up > your call and tying up valuable airtime. When you use > your cell in an airplane, you can send your signal to > twenty towers, which the system is not designed to > handle and may drop your call mainly due to not being > able to pick the strongest signal, that is if it does > in fact pick up your call. Put yourself at 30,000 > feet and use your cell phone, you could pick up towers > in three states. > > Dave > --- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote: > > > I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit > > so many cell towers at > > once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock > > you out. Not sure if this > > is a fact, though. > > > > I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) > > back in the early 90's > > too, but haven't kept up with what's going on > > lately. > > > > Dan Hopper > > RV-7A > > Ham call K9WEK > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > bobperk@bellsouth.net writes: > > > > > > Ham radio operators were using digital packet > > repeaters back in the 80"s. > > There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) > > (South East Digital Amateur's > > Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate > > with another operator in > > south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to > > setup a node. I had several > > set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m > > frequencies that cross > > linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. > > The Technology is > > there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more > > than likely designed to > > radiate horizontally. > > > > Bob Perkinson > > Hendersonville, TN. > > RV9 N658RP Reserved > > If nothing changes > > Nothing changes > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:08 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV Listers, I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. I suspect it isn't such a good idea to just go up and start trying it out. I am not interested in doing any higher G maneuvers and only want to do this for my own entertainment. Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do them without getting hurt? Thanks a bunch Off list is fine Tim ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:16 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV On 14 Jan 2007, at 14:45, Tim Bryan wrote: > > > Listers, > > I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. I > suspect > it isn't such a good idea to just go up and start trying it out. I > am not > interested in doing any higher G maneuvers and only want to do this > for my > own entertainment. Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn > to do > them without getting hurt? > Thanks a bunch > Off list is fine Basic aerobatics are not a good subject to learn via the internet. There is too much risk of a misunderstand leading to an accident. Find a local aerobatics instructor to go flying with you. It is easy to say that you only want to do rolls, and not any higher g vertical type manoeuvres, and that a one-g aileron roll is such a simple manoeuvre that it could be learned from an e-mail message. But, some folks have an inate desire to pull once they are upside down and lose sight of the sky. This could be fatal. Doing your first aerobatic manoeuvres with an instructor is cheap insurance. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:21 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: Re: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Tim Bryan wrote: > Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do them without getting > hurt? Tim: I'll begin by telling you what many other people will probably tell you: don't do it without competant aerobatic instruction. For me, that doesn't mean you have to hire an instructor or take an aerobatic course. There are plenty of non-instructors around with the right kind of experience who'd probably be willing to teach you how to do an aileron roll, just for the fun of it. But choose someone you have reason to believe truly does know what they're doing. If you do decide to self-teach, I recommend beginning with lazy eights. This is the method I use to begin doing aerobatics in an airplane that's new to me. Fly a coordinated lazy eight, beginning with fairly shallow pitch and bank angles and working your way up to more aggressive manoeuvres. Always have target speeds for the top and bottom of the lazy eight. Speed discipline is the thing most likely to keep you out of trouble, since "trouble" is most likely to be a stall or spin (at the top) and an over-stress or over-speed at the bottom. To find your target speeds, set slow cruise (55 or 65 percent power, for example) and target 20 mph below that speed for the top of the lazy eight and 20 mph above that speed for the bottom. Gradually expand the speed range as you get more aggressive. For an RV your maximum speed range should probably be 100 mph at the top and 180 mph at the bottom. That gives you decent margins from Vne and 1-G stall. Focus on two things: smoothness and hitting the target speeds. Be disciplined. If your target is 120 mph at the top of the lazy eight don't accept either 119 mph or 121 mph. If you blow through either speed by more than 5 mph, knock off the manoeuvre, return to level flight, and analyze why it happened. If you can't be sure why it happened, give up and find someone to teach you. You have to be sure you understand what's happening all the time. You really should have a G meter for this, and you should be able to smoothly fly lazy eights in the 100-180 mph speed range, at bank angles up to 90 degrees, without exceeding 2 G. (At no point should you hit 0 G, and there's really no reason to go below 1G.) Try to reach the point where you're flying the manoeuvre at a fixed stick pitch position, varying only the roll, but still hitting your numbers exactly. Then work on increasing the roll rate (which may require you to compress the speed range), until you are hitting full aileron deflection at times. Once you've reached that point you have enough control feel and judgement to attempt any rolling aerobatic manoeuvre (non-stalled). It will be obvious to you how to do an aileron roll. If it's not, give up and find someone to teach you. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC, Canada ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:02 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior" Subject: RV-List: Colin Walker - March 31, 1928 - January 10, 2007 Crossposting this to a few lists, so please check your reply destination carefully before hitting "send". --- It is my sad duty to report that Colin Walker, husband, father, grandfather, and former maker of one of North America's most popular wooden props for homebuilt aircraft, passed away peacefully on the morning of January 10th, 2007. Colin was a long-time member of Chapter 85 of the Recreational Aircraft Association of Canada, and was awarded a Lifetime membership in the chapter a number of years ago. Colin was a highly skilled craftsman, working with wood and fabric. His Piel Emeraude was an award winner when it first saw flight, and many pilots worldwide fly to this day with propellors crafted by his skilled hands. A celebration of Colin's life will be held on Sunday January 21st, starting at 2pm, at the East Delta Community Hall on Highway 10 (10379 Ladner Trunk Road), in Delta, BC. Friends will be given an opportunity to speak. In lieu of flowers, donations to the Salvation Army or the Canadian Museum of Flight will be appreciated. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:22 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: RV-List: Superior Recall followup This weekend I swaped out my Superior cylinders and pistons. There was a recall on the cylinders because of soft barrels (the barrels were not hardened properly). You can read all about it on their web site: http://www.superiorairparts.com/index.asp If you missed the details that I found out, that are not listed in the recall here they are again: Here is some additional info that I found out. The FAA had them issue the Service Bulletin right away. They know who owns the cylinders that are recalled and will be sending out letters to the affective customers as soon as possible. To speed up the process they created the Quick check form link from the online service bulletin http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ this is were you can type in your serial numbers and find out if they are on the recall list. If they are, you need to fill out the online Warrenty Claims Form. They will use this info to process the recall. Manufacture date format info In the recall it shows were to find the date of manufacture of the cylinder from within serial number. The example shown is 52-F05-32055. F05 is the date code BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN FEB. 05' , It means June 05' A=JAN B=FEB C=MARCH D=APRIL E=MAY F=JUNE G=JULY H=AUG I=Is not used J=SEPT K=OCT L=NOV M=DEC -- Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:15 PM PST US From: "Panama" Subject: Re: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV > > I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. ..... > Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do > them without getting hurt? > With an instructor. I know this has been said before, that is because it is important. You said you wanted to learn without getting hurt, that means using an instructor. Now, if all you want to do is kill yourself, no need of an instructor. A lot of really bad things can happen in aerobatics real fast. The key is to recognize the beginning of a bad maneuver and have a way out before it becomes a really bad maneuver. A beginner may not recognize the signs of a bad maneuver, therefore get help. In an RV, learning speed control is critical. Much more so that many purpose built aerobatic aircraft. Cruise speed is too close to Vne, by that I mean at normal cruise a Split S (or any other maneuver where the nose is pointed straight down or maybe 45 degrees down) will put you in excess of Vne and the designed G limits. Exceeding one is bad, but exceeding both is really bad! Now for the good part, once you learn how to fly the aerobatic maneuvers, they are so much fun in an RV, 90% of all my RV flying is aerobatics. 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