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RV-List Digest Archive
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Total Messages Posted Sun 01/14/07: 15
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:40 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (alan@reichertech.com)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Flightline Interiors (T Chang)
5. 07:53 AM - Re: Flightline Interiors (T Chang)
6. 08:44 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Dave Nellis)
7. 09:41 AM - Re: Flightline Interiors (RV7AODYSSEY@aol.com)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: Loss of Kershner (bertrv6@highstream.net)
9. 11:00 AM - Re: Great Idea that's time has come? (Bill Boyd)
10. 11:47 AM - Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Tim Bryan)
11. 12:45 PM - Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Kevin Horton)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Tedd McHenry)
13. 02:43 PM - Colin Walker - March 31, 1928 - January 10, 2007 (Rob Prior)
14. 07:41 PM - Superior Recall followup (Bobby Hester)
15. 08:59 PM - Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV (Panama)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 06:40:30 AM PST US
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come?
I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at
once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this
is a fact, though.
I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's
too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
Ham call K9WEK
In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bobperk@bellsouth.net writes:
Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s.
There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's
Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in
south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several
set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross
linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is
there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to
radiate horizontally.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 06:54:22 AM PST US
From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come?
There's a Sprint cell tower ON my airfield and I get the full 6 bars of strength
when on the ground yet I've NEVER noticed the cell phone showing ready for use
when flying. It's almost like it's smart enough to ignore my phone when I
go faster than I would be in a car...I don't know what's really going on but I've
just never got a signal while actually flying.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once
that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this is
a fact, though.
I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too,
but haven't kept up with what's going on lately.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
Ham call K9WEK
In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk@bellsouth.net
writes:
Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s.
There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's
Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in
south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several
set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross
linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is
there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to
radiate horizontally.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
There's a Sprint cell tower ON my airfield and I get the full 6 bars of strength
when on the ground yet I've NEVER noticed the cell phone showing ready
for use when flying. It's almost like it's smart enough to ignore my phone
when I go faster than I would be in a car...I don't know what's really going
on but I've just never got a signal while actually flying.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at
once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure
if this is a fact, though.
I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's
too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
Ham call K9WEK
In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk@bellsouth.net
writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Ham
radio operators were using digital packet
repeaters back in the 80"s.
There was and might still be a network (SEDAN)
(South East Digital Amateur's
Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate
with another operator in
south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little
to setup a node. I had several
set up in the Gallatin, TN area on
different 2m frequencies that cross
linked with each other through an old
8088 computer. The Technology is
there. As far as a cell signal the
antenna are more than likely designed to
radiate horizontally.
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville,
TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing
changes
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:06:41 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come?
From: alan@reichertech.com
APRS is the "Automatic Packet Reporting System", sometimes erroneously
calle the "Automatic Position Reporting System", but it does a lot more
than just position.
The position reporting implementation uses GPS messages fed to what is
called a Terminal Node Controller which, essentially, takes the GPS data,
formulates a proper APRS digital message, and punts it to a 2-meter radio
for transmission. Once over the airwaves (and assuming good coverage),
another station either receives the info and routes it to an internet
server, or repeats it on the same frequency for broader coverage.
The map on the internet is www.findu.com. Here is the current information
on my own APRS station:
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=KG4TVQ-1
The portion of the string "KG4TVQ" is my amateur radio ID. the "-1" is
the ID of the APRS station I'm using. It is optional, but most hams use
it to differentiate different APRS stations (one in each car, one in the
house, etc). If I recall correctly, this ID can be anything between 1 and
15.
I've just purchased some equipment to set up an APRS system to carry with
me in my Skylane, consisting of a small GPS received by Deluo, a small TNC
designed specifically for tracking, and a 2-meter handheld I have.
There is a fellow in the DC area that had been doing this for a while. He
flies AND sails with an APRS system. He does not have any recent flight
data, but here is his web page on the subject:
http://www.dellabarba.com/flying/tracking/tracking.html
Remember, you need to be a licenses ham to do this. If you want to pursue
that, check into
http://www.arrl.org
for licensing information.
Probably more than you wanted to know....
- Alan
On Sun, January 14, 2007 2:57 am, RV-List Digest Server wrote:
>
>
> Time: 11:49:34 AM PST US
> From: "Bill Boyd"
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come?
>
>
> Hi, Charlie. Your reference is to APRS, operating typically on the 2m
> band, using a beacon mode known as Mic-E. I've read alot about it but
> never done it. Coverage is far from nationwide at this time, but high
> in metro areas, and the tracking info it provides is open data for all
> to view on the web. AIrcraft equipment requirement would be just a
> NMEA GPS cable to a 2m handie talkie with a Mic-E modem to key the
> beacon at appropriate intervals. Rubber duck antenna would suffice, I
> think. Google "APRS" for more than you ever wanted to know, except,
> it would seem, just how to put it into full operation. Kudo's to
> whomever can take us pilots the rest of the way there. ADS-B without
> the fees or the Feds :-)
>
> -Bill / Stormy
>
> On 1/13/07, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>> Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us.
>> >
>> > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of
>> > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write
>> > software and such.
>> >
>> > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone
>> > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan
>> > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you
>> > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or
>> > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a
>> > smoking hole ;o).
>> >
>> > Any comments or takers
>> >
>> > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>>
>> Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital
>> 'cell' phones when you're at altitude.
>>
>> On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data
>> & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that
>> can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator
>> sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest
>> repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a
>> moving dot on a map.
>>
>> Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at
>> this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA
>> should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes'
>> (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers,
>> one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from
>> several thousand feet in the air.
>>
>> I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my
>> license.
>>
>> I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:53:25 AM PST US
From: T Chang
Subject: RV-List: Re: Flightline Interiors
Randy,
My 9A uses Abby's interiors. First rate job and services, she is highly recommondated.
Following is a link to my webpage.
http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/matingwingandfuselage2
Ted Chang
RV-9A
112 Hours
Time: 06:01:27 PM PST US
From: "Randall E Russell"
Subject: Flightline Interiors
I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish
by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated.
Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos
showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:53:39 AM PST US
From: T Chang
Subject: RV-List: Re: Flightline Interiors
Randy,
My 9A uses Abby's interiors. First rate job and services, she is highly recommondated.
Following is a link to my webpage.
http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/matingwingandfuselage2
Ted Chang
RV-9A
112 Hours
Time: 06:01:27 PM PST US
From: "Randall E Russell"
Subject: Flightline Interiors
I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish
by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated.
Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos
showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 08:44:47 AM PST US
From: Dave Nellis
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come?
I am not a cell phone expert, but I have a friend who
is. I asked him about using cell phones in aircraft
and below is his response as best as I can recall.
Cell phone towers cover an area like an umbrella.
Think of parents under umbrellas at a high school
football game. The antennae for cell systems are
directed slightly downward so they only cover so much
area. This keeps five or six towers from picking up
your call and tying up valuable airtime. When you use
your cell in an airplane, you can send your signal to
twenty towers, which the system is not designed to
handle and may drop your call mainly due to not being
able to pick the strongest signal, that is if it does
in fact pick up your call. Put yourself at 30,000
feet and use your cell phone, you could pick up towers
in three states.
Dave
--- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
> I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit
> so many cell towers at
> once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock
> you out. Not sure if this
> is a fact, though.
>
> I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system)
> back in the early 90's
> too, but haven't kept up with what's going on
> lately.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
> Ham call K9WEK
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> bobperk@bellsouth.net writes:
>
>
> Ham radio operators were using digital packet
> repeaters back in the 80"s.
> There was and might still be a network (SEDAN)
> (South East Digital Amateur's
> Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate
> with another operator in
> south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to
> setup a node. I had several
> set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m
> frequencies that cross
> linked with each other through an old 8088 computer.
> The Technology is
> there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more
> than likely designed to
> radiate horizontally.
>
> Bob Perkinson
> Hendersonville, TN.
> RV9 N658RP Reserved
> If nothing changes
> Nothing changes
>
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:41:24 AM PST US
From: RV7AODYSSEY@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Flightline Interiors
Hi,
I also had purchased Oregon Aero seats for my &A and had abby cover. She
did a great job, I also purchased the whole interior package from her. She
was great to deal with, worked with me on color scheme and delivered when she
said she would.
Ed
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 09:47:01 AM PST US
From: bertrv6@highstream.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Loss of Kershner
Quoting Fiveonepw@aol.com:
> Apologies for the sentimental and non-RV post, but I was deeply saddened on
> hearing of the tragic loss of Bill Kershner- I will always treasure his
> signature in my logbook and the fact that his inspiration is a part of what
> made me
> want to fly. Blue skies, Bill...
>
> Mark Phillips - do not archive
>
Mine are the same...My fist book , from him was the inspiration for learning
to fly...greeat loss.Bert
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 11:00:10 AM PST US
From: "Bill Boyd"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come?
Keep in mind there's a limited range on these cellular things even
line-of-sight. doubt they can work a cell phone tower three states
away- inverse, square law and flea power transmitter won't allow it.
Great info on the APRS, Alan. So somebody's actually doing it... I
had a 2m yaesu 40 watt FM rig in my RV panel for years. Got lots of
"what's that?" questions from onlookers, but only used it maybe three
times in the air to work other hams, finally took it out to shed the
useless pounds. APRS was my intention, but I felt I knew less about
APRS after reading Mpas, Tracks and Mobiles than before I read it, so
set the whole idea aside. Now that coverage and internet connectivity
is more national, it's time to dust off the idea agan, with an HT this
time, instead of a panel mount. (No, I'm not putting the IC-7000 in
the plane just yet!) At least I know who to contact for Elmer-ing ;-)
Poor man's ADS-B, yeah!
-Stormy / N4DLN
On 1/14/07, Dave Nellis wrote:
>
> I am not a cell phone expert, but I have a friend who
> is. I asked him about using cell phones in aircraft
> and below is his response as best as I can recall.
>
>
> Cell phone towers cover an area like an umbrella.
> Think of parents under umbrellas at a high school
> football game. The antennae for cell systems are
> directed slightly downward so they only cover so much
> area. This keeps five or six towers from picking up
> your call and tying up valuable airtime. When you use
> your cell in an airplane, you can send your signal to
> twenty towers, which the system is not designed to
> handle and may drop your call mainly due to not being
> able to pick the strongest signal, that is if it does
> in fact pick up your call. Put yourself at 30,000
> feet and use your cell phone, you could pick up towers
> in three states.
>
> Dave
> --- Hopperdhh@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit
> > so many cell towers at
> > once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock
> > you out. Not sure if this
> > is a fact, though.
> >
> > I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system)
> > back in the early 90's
> > too, but haven't kept up with what's going on
> > lately.
> >
> > Dan Hopper
> > RV-7A
> > Ham call K9WEK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > bobperk@bellsouth.net writes:
> >
> >
> > Ham radio operators were using digital packet
> > repeaters back in the 80"s.
> > There was and might still be a network (SEDAN)
> > (South East Digital Amateur's
> > Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate
> > with another operator in
> > south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to
> > setup a node. I had several
> > set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m
> > frequencies that cross
> > linked with each other through an old 8088 computer.
> > The Technology is
> > there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more
> > than likely designed to
> > radiate horizontally.
> >
> > Bob Perkinson
> > Hendersonville, TN.
> > RV9 N658RP Reserved
> > If nothing changes
> > Nothing changes
> >
>
>
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________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 11:47:08 AM PST US
From: "Tim Bryan"
Subject: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Listers,
I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. I suspect
it isn't such a good idea to just go up and start trying it out. I am not
interested in doing any higher G maneuvers and only want to do this for my
own entertainment. Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do
them without getting hurt?
Thanks a bunch
Off list is fine
Tim
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 12:45:16 PM PST US
From: Kevin Horton
Subject: Re: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
On 14 Jan 2007, at 14:45, Tim Bryan wrote:
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. I
> suspect
> it isn't such a good idea to just go up and start trying it out. I
> am not
> interested in doing any higher G maneuvers and only want to do this
> for my
> own entertainment. Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn
> to do
> them without getting hurt?
> Thanks a bunch
> Off list is fine
Basic aerobatics are not a good subject to learn via the internet.
There is too much risk of a misunderstand leading to an accident.
Find a local aerobatics instructor to go flying with you.
It is easy to say that you only want to do rolls, and not any higher
g vertical type manoeuvres, and that a one-g aileron roll is such a
simple manoeuvre that it could be learned from an e-mail message.
But, some folks have an inate desire to pull once they are upside
down and lose sight of the sky. This could be fatal. Doing your
first aerobatic manoeuvres with an instructor is cheap insurance.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 01:21:21 PM PST US
From: Tedd McHenry
Subject: Re: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Tim Bryan wrote:
> Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do them without getting
> hurt?
Tim:
I'll begin by telling you what many other people will probably tell you: don't
do it without competant aerobatic instruction. For me, that doesn't mean you
have to hire an instructor or take an aerobatic course. There are plenty of
non-instructors around with the right kind of experience who'd probably be
willing to teach you how to do an aileron roll, just for the fun of it. But
choose someone you have reason to believe truly does know what they're doing.
If you do decide to self-teach, I recommend beginning with lazy eights. This
is the method I use to begin doing aerobatics in an airplane that's new to me.
Fly a coordinated lazy eight, beginning with fairly shallow pitch and bank
angles and working your way up to more aggressive manoeuvres. Always have
target speeds for the top and bottom of the lazy eight. Speed discipline is
the thing most likely to keep you out of trouble, since "trouble" is most
likely to be a stall or spin (at the top) and an over-stress or over-speed at
the bottom. To find your target speeds, set slow cruise (55 or 65 percent
power, for example) and target 20 mph below that speed for the top of the lazy
eight and 20 mph above that speed for the bottom.
Gradually expand the speed range as you get more aggressive. For an RV your
maximum speed range should probably be 100 mph at the top and 180 mph at the
bottom. That gives you decent margins from Vne and 1-G stall. Focus on two
things: smoothness and hitting the target speeds. Be disciplined. If your
target is 120 mph at the top of the lazy eight don't accept either 119 mph or
121 mph. If you blow through either speed by more than 5 mph, knock off the
manoeuvre, return to level flight, and analyze why it happened. If you can't
be sure why it happened, give up and find someone to teach you. You have to be
sure you understand what's happening all the time.
You really should have a G meter for this, and you should be able to smoothly
fly lazy eights in the 100-180 mph speed range, at bank angles up to 90
degrees, without exceeding 2 G. (At no point should you hit 0 G, and there's
really no reason to go below 1G.) Try to reach the point where you're flying
the manoeuvre at a fixed stick pitch position, varying only the roll, but still
hitting your numbers exactly. Then work on increasing the roll rate (which may
require you to compress the speed range), until you are hitting full aileron
deflection at times.
Once you've reached that point you have enough control feel and judgement to
attempt any rolling aerobatic manoeuvre (non-stalled). It will be obvious to
you how to do an aileron roll. If it's not, give up and find someone to teach
you.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 02:43:02 PM PST US
From: "Rob Prior"
Subject: RV-List: Colin Walker - March 31, 1928 - January 10, 2007
Crossposting this to a few lists, so please check your reply destination
carefully before hitting "send".
---
It is my sad duty to report that Colin Walker, husband, father,
grandfather, and former maker of one of North America's most popular wooden
props for homebuilt aircraft, passed away peacefully on the morning of
January 10th, 2007.
Colin was a long-time member of Chapter 85 of the Recreational Aircraft
Association of Canada, and was awarded a Lifetime membership in the chapter
a number of years ago. Colin was a highly skilled craftsman, working with
wood and fabric. His Piel Emeraude was an award winner when it first saw
flight, and many pilots worldwide fly to this day with propellors crafted
by his skilled hands.
A celebration of Colin's life will be held on Sunday January 21st, starting
at 2pm, at the East Delta Community Hall on Highway 10 (10379 Ladner Trunk
Road), in Delta, BC. Friends will be given an opportunity to speak.
In lieu of flowers, donations to the Salvation Army or the Canadian Museum
of Flight will be appreciated.
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 07:41:22 PM PST US
From: Bobby Hester
Subject: RV-List: Superior Recall followup
This weekend I swaped out my Superior cylinders and pistons. There was a
recall on the cylinders because of soft barrels (the barrels were not
hardened properly). You can read all about it on their web site:
http://www.superiorairparts.com/index.asp
If you missed the details that I found out, that are not listed in the
recall here they are again:
Here is some additional info that I found out.
The FAA had them issue the Service Bulletin right away. They know who
owns the cylinders that are recalled and will be sending out letters to
the affective customers as soon as possible. To speed up the process
they created the Quick check form link from the online service bulletin
http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ this is were you can type in
your serial numbers and find out if they are on the recall list. If they
are, you need to fill out the online Warrenty Claims Form. They will use
this info to process the recall.
Manufacture date format info
In the recall it shows were to find the date of manufacture of the
cylinder from within serial number.
The example shown is 52-F05-32055.
F05 is the date code BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN FEB. 05' , It means June 05'
A=JAN B=FEB C=MARCH D=APRIL
E=MAY F=JUNE G=JULY H=AUG
I=Is not used J=SEPT K=OCT L=NOV
M=DEC
--
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 08:59:15 PM PST US
From: "Panama"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
>
> I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. .....
> Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do
> them without getting hurt?
>
With an instructor. I know this has been said before, that is because it is
important. You said you wanted to learn without getting hurt, that means
using an instructor.
Now, if all you want to do is kill yourself, no need of an instructor.
A lot of really bad things can happen in aerobatics real fast. The key is
to recognize the beginning of a bad maneuver and have a way out before it
becomes a really bad maneuver. A beginner may not recognize the signs of a
bad maneuver, therefore get help.
In an RV, learning speed control is critical. Much more so that many
purpose built aerobatic aircraft. Cruise speed is too close to Vne, by that
I mean at normal cruise a Split S (or any other maneuver where the nose is
pointed straight down or maybe 45 degrees down) will put you in excess of
Vne and the designed G limits. Exceeding one is bad, but exceeding both is
really bad!
Now for the good part, once you learn how to fly the aerobatic maneuvers,
they are so much fun in an RV, 90% of all my RV flying is aerobatics.
Bob
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