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1. 03:40 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (RV6 Flyer)
3. 08:58 AM - Mattituck Buying Experience (REHughes)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (Konrad L. Werner)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (Konrad L. Werner)
6. 09:18 AM - Re: Mattituck Buying Experience (Paul Rice)
7. 10:03 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (Tom & Cathy Ervin)
8. 10:23 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (Tim Bryan)
9. 10:28 AM - Re: Phase I flight area (Konrad L. Werner)
10. 12:29 PM - Re: Mattituck Buying Experience (Dave & Brenda Emond)
11. 01:59 PM - Indemnifying a seller (Henry)
12. 05:17 PM - Re: Indemnifying a seller (LarryRobertHelming)
13. 05:50 PM - Re: Indemnifying a seller (George P. Tyler)
14. 06:16 PM - Indemnifying a seller (John Fasching)
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I flight area |
I got a 100 mile circle from my Cleveland FSDO and was glad I did! My
RV6-A was doing 155 Knots at 75% squared...no wheel pants or gear leg
fairings. With 11 miles I would be doing turns around a point!!
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Phase I flight area
At 10:10 AM 1/26/2007, you wrote:
I had an 11-mile square. It was PLENTY of space. Anybody who
doesn't like turning shouldn't be building an RV... ;-)
Got to disagree with that viewpoint Dan. 11 miles where
I live doesn't get you to but one other airport. Save the 11 mile
area for an ultralight but an RV needs more room.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I flight area |
FAA Order 8130.2 is the Order by which the FAA (DAR) are required to use for
Airworthiness Certification.
As of July 2006, 8130.2F Change 2 is current.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/18b1d64bc8f90136862571d40072d8e1/$FILE/Order%208130F%20with%20chg%202%20incorporated.pdf
(may need to copy paste the link to one line.)
Section 152 on page 160 has the REQUIREMENTS for "FLIGHT TEST AREAS" of
Amateur Built Experimental Aircraft.
FROM THE ABOVE REVERENCED DOCUMENT:
"a. General. Section 91.319(b) requires that an unproven aircraft be
assigned to a flight test area.
The assigned test area is prescribed in accordance with 91.305. The FAA,
when requested, should
assist applicants in selecting areas that comply with 91.305. The FAA is
required to evaluate each
application to determine that the flight test area does not exceed that
which is reasonably required to accomplish the program. Actions pertaining
to flight test areas must be coordinated with the nearest office of the Air
Traffic Service."
Since FAR 91.305 is referenced above, here is what it says:
"Sec. 91.305 Flight test areas.
No person may flight test an aircraft except over open water, or sparsely
populated areas, having light air traffic."
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgFAR.nsf/0/45980FAAA23BA129852566CF0067BB5C?OpenDocument
IMHO, if you have a WRITTEN "Flight Test Plan", include the detailed "Flight
Test Plan" with your application for airworthiness, and it documents the
need for a test flight area larger than you receive, you need to bring this
info to the FAA's (or DAR's) attention.
Gary A. Sobek
RVdar.com
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,976 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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| Subject: | Mattituck Buying Experience |
Last fall I pulled the jugs off my Skyote's C-90-8F (stuck ring, and
guides needed reamed) and I found one of the cam followers had a
wedding-ring fracture at the socket end. I decided to have the engine
overhauled by a good shop, but found that for virtually the same price,
I could get a brand-new Mattituck TMX O-200 (although it is an
Experimental engine, it is built up from the latest Continental
certified parts).
It came with all the recent factory production improvements (removable
pushrod housings, new upper cylinder design) and beautiful new
certified accessories including a light-weight starter, 60 Amp
Alternator, Vacuum Pump drive assembly, new Precision Carb (complete
with new airbox and filter) and new Slicks. The shipping crate had an
all-plywood cover, and is better looking than most of my furniture. The
price was 17K, with NO core required. I will slowly rebuild the C-90
as a learning process.
The Mixture Arm configuration was set up for side-to-side actuation, and
my particular installation made the fore-and-aft arm the preferred type.
I emailed Mahlon to find out where I could buy the alternate arm, and a
couple days later the desired hardware just showed up in my mail.
I would recommend Mattituck for anyone considering a new engine. My
experience with them could not have been better. Mahlon Russell should
be considered a national treasure.
Hawkeye Hughes
Skyote, RV-3
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I flight area |
Well Joe,
Where you able to fly your time off anyway, regardless of the sucky one?
What did you have to do, fly a slight but constant circle?
I wish that I knew more about this before I flew my time off. My DAR
sucked.
Thanks Joe
@BFI 420 hours
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I flight area |
Tom,
How does on square 75% power? I can somewhat understand on how to
square RPM+MP to achieve 75% Power as a result, but how do you square
the percentage itself? Perhaps I am somewhat math challenged, but I am
eager to learn and understand...
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I got a 100 mile circle from my Cleveland FSDO and was glad I did! My
RV6-A was doing 155 Knots at 75% squared...no wheel pants or gear leg
fairings. With 11 miles I would be doing turns around a point!!
Tom in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Mattituck Buying Experience |
Ditto
----- Original Message -----
From: REHughes<mailto:hawk@digisys.net>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:56 AM
Subject: RV-List: Mattituck Buying Experience
Skyote, RV-3
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I flight area |
I'm running an 0-360A1A with Hartzell and according to my Lycoming
Operations Manual and factory cell test 75% power is 24 lbs. manifold
pressure at 2400 RPM. Square is the term used by Lycoming so I give up.
Sorry not much Help. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Phase I flight area
Tom,
How does on square 75% power? I can somewhat understand on how to
square RPM+MP to achieve 75% Power as a result, but how do you square
the percentage itself? Perhaps I am somewhat math challenged, but I am
eager to learn and understand...
do not archive
I got a 100 mile circle from my Cleveland FSDO and was glad I did!
My RV6-A was doing 155 Knots at 75% squared...no wheel pants or gear leg
fairings. With 11 miles I would be doing turns around a point!!
Tom in Ohio
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| Subject: | Phase I flight area |
Ok, with the same configuration what would be 65% power? Would love to
know.
Tim
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom & Cathy Ervin
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Phase I flight area
I'm running an 0-360A1A with Hartzell and according to my Lycoming
Operations Manual and factory cell test 75% power is 24 lbs. manifold
pressure at 2400 RPM. Square is the term used by Lycoming so I give up.
Sorry not much Help. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. <mailto:klwerner@comcast.net> Werner
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Phase I flight area
Tom,
How does on square 75% power? I can somewhat understand on how to square
RPM+MP to achieve 75% Power as a result, but how do you square the
percentage itself? Perhaps I am somewhat math challenged, but I am eager to
learn and understand...
do not archive
I got a 100 mile circle from my Cleveland FSDO and was glad I did! My RV6-A
was doing 155 Knots at 75% squared...no wheel pants or gear leg fairings.
With 11 miles I would be doing turns around a point!!
Tom in Ohio
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I flight area |
Tom,
Got it!!! One can square RPM & MP to arrive at a certain percentage of
Power. What threw me off is your statement of "75% squared" (which is
impossible I think)? One can square RPM with MP, but not %.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Phase I flight area
I'm running an 0-360A1A with Hartzell and according to my Lycoming
Operations Manual and factory cell test 75% power is 24 lbs. manifold
pressure at 2400 RPM. Square is the term used by Lycoming so I give up.
Sorry not much Help. Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Phase I flight area
Tom,
How does on square 75% power? I can somewhat understand on how to
square RPM+MP to achieve 75% Power as a result, but how do you square
the percentage itself? Perhaps I am somewhat math challenged, but I am
eager to learn and understand...
do not archive
I got a 100 mile circle from my Cleveland FSDO and was glad I did!
My RV6-A was doing 155 Knots at 75% squared...no wheel pants or gear leg
fairings. With 11 miles I would be doing turns around a point!!
Tom in Ohio
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mattituck Buying Experience |
I support your view. My purchase of a TMX IO-540 went without a hitch.
Mahlon has given terriffic support, beyond expectation. Thanks Mahlon.
Dave Emond
RV-10
40159
----- Original Message -----
From: REHughes
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: Mattituck Buying Experience
Last fall I pulled the jugs off my Skyote's C-90-8F (stuck ring, and
guides needed reamed) and I found one of the cam followers had a
wedding-ring fracture at the socket end. I decided to have the engine
overhauled by a good shop, but found that for virtually the same price,
I could get a brand-new Mattituck TMX O-200 (although it is an
Experimental engine, it is built up from the latest Continental
certified parts).
It came with all the recent factory production improvements (removable
pushrod housings, new upper cylinder design) and beautiful new
certified accessories including a light-weight starter, 60 Amp
Alternator, Vacuum Pump drive assembly, new Precision Carb (complete
with new airbox and filter) and new Slicks. The shipping crate had an
all-plywood cover, and is better looking than most of my furniture. The
price was 17K, with NO core required. I will slowly rebuild the C-90
as a learning process.
The Mixture Arm configuration was set up for side-to-side actuation,
and my particular installation made the fore-and-aft arm the preferred
type. I emailed Mahlon to find out where I could buy the alternate arm,
and a couple days later the desired hardware just showed up in my mail.
I would recommend Mattituck for anyone considering a new engine. My
experience with them could not have been better. Mahlon Russell should
be considered a national treasure.
Hawkeye Hughes
Skyote, RV-3
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| Subject: | Indemnifying a seller |
Good afternoon:
A friend and I were looking at buying a homebuilt from the original
builder. We had no problem with signing a waiver of non responsibility
for ourselves, but the owner insisted on an indemnity clause in
perpetuity asking us to be responsible for any liability from the day of
the sale until the end of the plane's life. EAA insurance said such a
clause would negate our coverage. I believe Falcon said the same thing.
While I can understand the seller's need and desire to protect himself,
this is an impossible responsibility financial or otherwise for the
buyer. Needless to say it was a deal killer.
How are all of you out there dealing with situation like this, or more
likely, how do you think you will deal with it if you ever sell your
pride and joy in the future.
Henry H.
Mooney 252TSE
N252MK
KPAE Everett, WA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Indemnifying a seller |
The question is: "How could a plane be sold to limit the liability and
litigation trail back to the original seller?"
One possible solution is to dismantle the plane into tail assemblies, wing
and tank assemblies, and one or more fuselage assemblies. Sell it that way
and the buyer is responsible for the subassembly parts and not it becoming
anything else. You should have its air worthiness certificate
revoked/voided. The new buyer of the assemblies would go through the
process of re-registering it should some or all the of the parts later
become a plane or parts on several planes. A sales agreement would state
the parts are just that -- parts, not a completed assembly of anything that
serves a purpose such as an airplane and if it is made into one, the parts
buyer is fully responsible for whatever is made of them.
Larry in Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry" <aeroncadoc@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RV-List: Indemnifying a seller
>
>
> Good afternoon:
>
> A friend and I were looking at buying a homebuilt from the original
> builder. We had no problem with signing a waiver of non responsibility for
> ourselves, but the owner insisted on an indemnity clause in perpetuity
> asking us to be responsible for any liability from the day of the sale
> until the end of the plane's life. EAA insurance said such a clause would
> negate our coverage. I believe Falcon said the same thing.
> While I can understand the seller's need and desire to protect himself,
> this is an impossible responsibility financial or otherwise for the buyer.
> Needless to say it was a deal killer.
> How are all of you out there dealing with situation like this, or more
> likely, how do you think you will deal with it if you ever sell your pride
> and joy in the future.
>
> Henry H.
> Mooney 252TSE
> N252MK
> KPAE Everett, WA
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Indemnifying a seller |
Don't worry about it ,you can not sign away someone else's right to sue.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry" <aeroncadoc@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: RV-List: Indemnifying a seller
>
>
> Good afternoon:
>
> A friend and I were looking at buying a homebuilt from the original
> builder. We had no problem with signing a waiver of non responsibility
> for ourselves, but the owner insisted on an indemnity clause in
> perpetuity asking us to be responsible for any liability from the day of
> the sale until the end of the plane's life. EAA insurance said such a
> clause would negate our coverage. I believe Falcon said the same thing.
> While I can understand the seller's need and desire to protect himself,
> this is an impossible responsibility financial or otherwise for the
> buyer. Needless to say it was a deal killer.
> How are all of you out there dealing with situation like this, or more
> likely, how do you think you will deal with it if you ever sell your
> pride and joy in the future.
>
> Henry H.
> Mooney 252TSE
> N252MK
> KPAE Everett, WA
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Indemnifying a seller |
I wonder if the Statute of Repose would apply...recall that a few years
ago Congress passed a law that
manufacturers were not liable for aircraft make over 18-years ago?
Perhaps there are not many Rvs in
that age bracket, but I suspect (without actually having read that
statute) that this might be the ultimate solution.
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