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1. 03:18 AM - Re: Engraved Gas caps (Russell Daves)
2. 03:24 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Bob J.)
3. 04:41 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Larry Bowen)
4. 05:05 AM - i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. (Dana Overall)
5. 05:22 AM - ACS pricing was Engraved Gas caps (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
6. 06:13 AM - The project is mine! (linn Walters)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: ACS pricing was Engraved Gas caps (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
8. 06:31 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Chuck Jensen)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Engraved Gas caps (Brian Meyette)
10. 06:50 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Brian Meyette)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: Engraved Gas caps (Dave Cudney)
12. 07:46 AM - RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" (Tram)
13. 07:55 AM - Price Increase Rant (JOHN STARN)
14. 07:55 AM - Re: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" (Tim Bryan)
15. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Wing bolt torque values ()
16. 08:11 AM - Re: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" (Oliver Washburn)
17. 08:22 AM - Re: Wing bolt torque values (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
18. 09:02 AM - Emergency Kit (Greg Williams)
19. 09:03 AM - Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks (Leland and Anne)
20. 09:13 AM - Icom-Battery (bertrv6@highstream.net)
21. 09:50 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Bob)
22. 09:50 AM - Re: Emergency Kit (Bill Boyd)
23. 09:53 AM - Re: ACS pricing (Jim Sears)
24. 09:59 AM - Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks (Ron Lee)
25. 10:08 AM - Re: Icom-Battery (Ron Lee)
26. 10:09 AM - Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks (Terry Watson)
27. 10:30 AM - Re: Icom-Battery (Rob Prior)
28. 10:32 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Sam Buchanan)
29. 10:32 AM - Re: Icom-Battery (ptrotter@optonline.net)
30. 10:33 AM - Always been satisfied with Spruce service (HCRV6@comcast.net)
31. 11:50 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Charlie England)
32. 12:01 PM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Charlie England)
33. 12:01 PM - Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks (G McNutt)
34. 12:02 PM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Chuck Jensen)
35. 07:11 PM - RPM vs MP (Greg Williams)
36. 07:35 PM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Larry Pardue)
37. 07:59 PM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Richard E. Tasker)
38. 08:43 PM - Re: RPM vs MP (Reuven Silberman)
39. 09:27 PM - Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M (Bob Collins)
40. 09:37 PM - Aircraft Spruce's price matching information (Matt Reeves)
41. 09:54 PM - Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
42. 10:31 PM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Jim Oke)
43. 10:43 PM - Re: Icom-Battery (bertrv6@highstream.net)
44. 11:05 PM - Re: Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M (David Leonard)
45. 11:36 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
46. 11:38 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
47. 11:48 PM - Re: Price Increase Rant (JOHN STARN)
48. 11:49 PM - Re: RPM vs MP (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
If you are going to put a lawyer's N number on the fuel cap remember
that almost everyone loves their own lawyer, it is the other lawyers
that they hate.
Russ Daves
N710RV - RV-10 flying
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
I agree, I've noticed a lot of things have gone up. Last summer a falcon
altimeter was $180, now they are $240. That's a 33% increase.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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On 2/1/07, Jerry Isler <jlisler@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
> stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
> was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
> most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
> rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
> pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
A couple years ago I noticed the same thing, to a smaller extent. I
questioned it while on the phone with them. The rep's answer was very
rude and defensive. When possible, I've shopped at Wicks ever since.
There *are* alternatives...
--
Larry Bowen, RV-8/7
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Jerry Isler wrote:
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
> stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
> was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
> most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
> rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
> pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
>
>
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| Subject: | i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. |
It's FLYIN TIME!!!!!
Time to crank em up and point the spinners, or grills, towards the central
US, just south of Lexington KY!!
The 4th. annual Richmond, Madison Flyin is sch. for Feb. 24th. (last
Saturday in February). Since this if now th 4th., many people have said it
needs a name..............thus "The Kickoff".
We have had as many as 86+ RV's here and over 100 total airplanes in the
past couple years. Now this is not a vendors, forum flyin. We stand
around, walk around scratching out behinds, telling lies and looking at RVs,
while visiting old friends. Course I have already lined up two Hooters
girls to be present to serve a variety of Hooters Hot Wings. The local EAA
will also be there serving other grilled foods.......................NO
$3.00 hot dogs. Course why in the world you want a hot dog when you could
be served hot wings by the Hooter Girls.........got me:-)
Be extremely careful, as there are typically a lot of airplanes operating in
uncontrolled airspace. Keep your head on a swivel as you will hear, "flight
of two on 45 degree entry", "flight of three with flight of two in sight",
"experimental on short final". No fire trucks to respond slowly will be
present. With that said, we have a great time. Keep in mind, this is
"organized" by Elaine and I along with my youngest son and his best friend
who direct you at the taxiway to the ramp or taxiway. That is truly it, no
committees, no discussion sessions, we are it, so be patient and
understanding.
I am lining up a variety of door prizes. In the past I have been able to
give away total AnyWhere Map software, tools from Cleveland and Avery,
canopy covers, Kitlog, post lights......the list goes on. If any vendors
are out there and want to donate, please send me an email. I'll start
posting contributors shortly.
I have had pilots fly in from PN, FL, MP, MI and all points in between. We
have had people actually drive in from Michigan to see RV's. We fly and lie
here so fly em or drive em, we have a good time:-)
Start time Light 30, quiting time Dark 30.
More to follow.
Cell 859 625-2844, home 859 369-7582
Direction for driving to the airport, (lots of people are driving in)
Off I-75, take exit 77 (KY route 595) and turn west. Go about 200 yards and
make a right between the BP Station and the Shell Station. Go exactly 2.0
miles and make a right onto Madison County Airport Road. The airport road
will take you directly to my hangar (Matter of fact someone kept going
straight once and drove into the hangar, pushing the 172 out the back thus
requiring the subsequent purchase of the Bonanzathats a different story).
Anyone wanting to stay over close to the airport, there is a Holiday Inn
Express behind the BP and a Days Inn (I think thats it) at the exit ramp.
The airport is about 15 miles from my house/shop.
Here is a list of the better motels within 10 minutes of my house/shop.
Comfort Suites
859 624-0770
Next to Cracker Barrel
Hampton Inn
859 626-1002
Next to Bob Evans
Holiday Inn Express & Suites
859 624-4088
Walking distance Bob Evans
Best Western
859 623-9220
Same as above
Jameson Inn
859 623-0063
Bob Evans shares parking lot
La Quinta
859 623-9121
Near Cracker Barrel
Ramada Limited
859 626-8676
Same as above
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | ACS pricing was Engraved Gas caps |
Once businesses get large and become dominant in a market, after having
wiped out competition, they increase their prices. I think we may be
facing
such a scenario. We as shoppers may be also to blame, I include myself
as it
is so easy for my fingers to do the walking in the ACS catalog, mainly
for
lots of small stuff ' a few washers, a few bolts=85 and an occasional
somewhat
pricey item and then to simply place the order. Repeated behaviour of
this
sort is noticed by ACS=92 management ' they probably figure to price
items
based on what the market is willing to pay. It is a free economy after
all.
In their defence, I understand that the price of steel and aluminium has
gone up tremendously in the last 18 months.
I suggest that we look at the ACS catalog organisation: hardware,
electrical, airframe parts=85 and to propose on the list alternative
sources.
Mich=E8le
RV8 - Finishing
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: jeudi 1 f=E9vrier 2007 12:17
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
If you are going to put a lawyer's N number on the fuel cap remember
that
almost everyone loves their own lawyer, it is the other lawyers that
they
hate.
Russ Daves
N710RV - RV-10 flying
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| Subject: | The project is mine! |
Well guys/gals, yesterday I took delivery of a mostly-built RV-10 kit.
Pete Eslick of Leeward Air Ranch built a heck-of-lot of the fast-build
kit, and to my unpracticed eye ..... he did some excellent workmanship.
His mission changed and my family is the recipient of his hard work.
I'm kind of sad for him, but happy for us. It's the mixed emotions kind
of thing. Do not feel sorry for Pete, though, as he has some very fine
toys to play with ...... a single place Sukhoi, and an L-3 project. The
L-3 project is further along than the RV-10 though.
He was in the process of plumbing/wiring/installing stuff in the
fuselage of the -10 when his change of plans occurred.
There is one problem that I forsee ..... neither I nor my partners in
crime (Daughter/son-in-law) have the experience gained by doing all the
dimpling and riveting, reading the plans, and the experience using all
the tools. It's the price we must pay for jumping into the middle.
Actually, more into the end. I still remember the agonizingly long time
between 'looking like an airplane' and first flight of my Pitts, so I'm
not under any false hopes here. Once we get started, I expect progress
to go rapidly.
I have some projects of my own to complete prior to putting the kit in
my workshop, but am looking forward to the challenge.
Linn
New owner of # 40118
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| Subject: | ACS pricing was Engraved Gas caps |
Just to further this discussion, I work for Werner Ladder and
Extrusions, we are one of the largest consumers of Aluminum, and the
price of raw aluminum. due to Chinese influence on the markets has
increased by more than 40% in the past year alone. Add in the additional
costs of transportation and shipping and you can quickly realize why
prices increase. If we do not deal with it on some items, we will not
have a place left to shop in the US. I do not want to get philosophical,
but Aircraft Spruce is a US company run by Americans, if we as consumers
run them out of business by going to the penny cheaper alternatives,
then we will deserve what we get when the only place to order from takes
several weeks to show up.
Personally, I am in NWPA, can order before 3pm EST and it will ship the
same day and I get it two days later. While many complain about customer
service, I have received no less than stellar service form them, and
have ordered several thousands of dollars worth of parts, not just the
one washer here and there stuff.
Just remember the alternative when we complain, our Australian friends
have to deal with 2-3 week lead times, and a huge shipping expense, so
the next time you complain think what it would be like to try and speak
Chinese to a customer service rep, and how will they track your part of
the slow boat container...
Just rambling, and do not archive this dribble.
Dan
N289DT
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mich=E8le
Delsol
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: ACS pricing was Engraved Gas caps
Once businesses get large and become dominant in a market, after having
wiped out competition, they increase their prices. I think we may be
facing such a scenario. We as shoppers may be also to blame, I include
myself as it is so easy for my fingers to do the walking in the ACS
catalog, mainly for lots of small stuff - a few washers, a few bolts...
and an occasional somewhat pricey item and then to simply place the
order. Repeated behaviour of this sort is noticed by ACS' management -
they probably figure to price items based on what the market is willing
to pay. It is a free economy after all. In their defence, I understand
that the price of steel and aluminium has gone up tremendously in the
last 18 months.
I suggest that we look at the ACS catalog organisation: hardware,
electrical, airframe parts... and to propose on the list alternative
sources.
Mich=E8le
RV8 - Finishing
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: jeudi 1 f=E9vrier 2007 12:17
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
If you are going to put a lawyer's N number on the fuel cap remember
that almost everyone loves their own lawyer, it is the other lawyers
that they hate.
Russ Daves
N710RV - RV-10 flying
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| Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
Jerry,
Good rant, man. Of course, your $85,000 rig to catch some pan fish does
put things in perspective. My paying job is not defending ACS, but I
will tell you that their money grab may not be a bold and shameless as
it may appear. We build some fairly large equipment that consumes
everything from several hundred pounds of stainless, to instruments, to
nuts/bolts/screws. We would love to have gotten by with only a 33%
increase on many of these items.
Anything that has a shipping component to it, be it inbound or outbound
or is non-retail, the price jumps have been WAY above the rate of
inflation. The CPI is based, for the most part of foodstuffs and retail
items. Target, Sams, Wallys, et al have ensured that retail items have
increased only modestly---but not so for specialty items.
Anyhow, until one does a direct comparison on purchased items from ACS,
Wicks and others, on items that are new to their stock (which fully
reflect their new prices, not some old dusty back-shelf item) can we
judge whether a little gougin' is goin' on.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
stages
of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some
small
details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
was
also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
most
likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
rate?
Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase
at
that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year?
Whats
the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
customer base out of flying and then you go next.
Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that
I
catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my
$45,000
diesel pick-up truck.
ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
pay
for it.
I feel much better now.
Jerry Isler
RV4 N455J
Donalsonville, GA
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| Subject: | Engraved Gas caps |
I got prices from 3 places for doing similar engraving on my throttle
quadrant:
Full Throttle Concepts (Dave Czachorowski) was the least expensive, and he's
doing my quadrant now.
Also, there's Bill Esther and Wayne Cahoon. Bill was the most expensive.
Wayne - http://www.engravers.net/
Bill - http://www.rvengraving.com/
Dave - http://www.rivethead-aero.com/
brian
http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cudney
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
doing engraving of gas caps.
I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
for me?
Thanks
dave
>
>
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11:30 PM
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3:16 PM
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| Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
I think their customer service is TERRIBLE.
http://brian76.mystarband.net/vendors.htm
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final stages
of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I was
also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices most
likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation rate?
Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
customer base out of flying and then you go next.
Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
diesel pick-up truck.
ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to pay
for it.
I feel much better now.
Jerry Isler
RV4 N455J
Donalsonville, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
Thanks
dave
On Feb 1, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Brian Meyette wrote:
> <brianpublic2@starband.net>
>
> I got prices from 3 places for doing similar engraving on my throttle
> quadrant:
>
> Full Throttle Concepts (Dave Czachorowski) was the least expensive,
> and he's
> doing my quadrant now.
> Also, there's Bill Esther and Wayne Cahoon. Bill was the most
> expensive.
>
> Wayne - http://www.engravers.net/
> Bill - http://www.rvengraving.com/
> Dave - http://www.rivethead-aero.com/
>
> brian
> http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cudney
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:12 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
>
>
>
> I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
> doing engraving of gas caps.
>
> I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
> for me?
>
> Thanks
> dave
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 11:30 PM
>
> --
> 3:16 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" |
Hey fella's..
In my last flight the "trim" tab on the rudder apparently flew off during flight..
Just curious as to whether or not anyone knows if I could pick one of these up
from Van's?
We did not build our bird and it appears the builder just epoxied it to the rudder,
over the paint..
Just curious if there is a better way to mount it to the rudder, as to prevent
this from happening again?
Thanks
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92083#92083
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| Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
Got a gift card for Christmas for $100.00 from the wife who attempted to buy
the MA-1 Silver XXL jacket that the ACS 2005-2006 (red one) had listed as
$89.95. They were out of stock so she bought the card. She also bought me an
Icom handheld A-6 radio that was almost a hundred less than advertised in
the same catalog.
I ordered the jacket 1-19-2007 on-line, used the gift card and was advised
that it would be ordered drop shipped. Price ?...$89.95 plus tax & shipping.
Estimated delivery date, within 14 days AFTER 2-4-2007. Jacket arrived
Tuesday 1-30-2007. Tax & shipping added less than $20.00. KABONG Do Not
Archive HRII N561FS
"I shall return", fair price & service as promised.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
> Jerry,
>
> Good rant, man. Of course, your $85,000 rig to catch some pan fish does
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| Subject: | RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" |
Hi Jeff,
I just bought one from here.
http://www.epm-avcorp.com/trimtab.html
They recommend using double sided tape after painted so shouldn't be a
problem.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tram
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:46 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?"
>
>
> Hey fella's..
>
> In my last flight the "trim" tab on the rudder apparently flew off during
> flight..
>
> Just curious as to whether or not anyone knows if I could pick one of
> these up from Van's?
>
> We did not build our bird and it appears the builder just epoxied it to
> the rudder, over the paint..
>
> Just curious if there is a better way to mount it to the rudder, as to
> prevent this from happening again?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92083#92083
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing bolt torque values |
Dan,
Thanks for the quick reply! Going to try the dry ice and Boelube trick to get
the bolts in. Yeah, when you have tail kit # 2 you are taking slow building
to a new level. ha,ha But she will fly this year. OSH is the goal.
Later,
John
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>
> From: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> Date: 2007/01/31 Wed PM 02:49:13 EST
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing bolt torque values
>
>
> In a message dated 1/31/2007 1:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> december29@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Hi there,
> Attaching the wings and looking for torque settings for the bolts. AN-4 at
> 50-70 inch pounds (two bolts into the center web of the spar), AN5 at 100-140
> inch pounds (rear spar). Now for the close tolerance bolts I am thinking to
> use the approx diameter and go with those settings. For the big boys, NAS
> 1307-
> 50 (they approx 7/16) so going 450-500 inch pounds and the smaller NAS1304-50
> (approx 1/4) I am going 50-70 inch pounds.
>
> This is for an RV-8 with the new wing. Does this sound right? Does anyone
> have any "better" numbers?
> Thanks for the help.
>
> John
> 80002
>
> John,
>
> I like that serial number.
>
> Those are the numbers I used on my -7A and the wings haven't fallen off in
> over 2 years.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" |
I have never lost one using double back tape. Quick & easy.
Ollie 6A Central FL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tram" <Tramsootru@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?"
>
> Hey fella's..
>
> In my last flight the "trim" tab on the rudder apparently flew off during
> flight..
>
> Just curious as to whether or not anyone knows if I could pick one of
> these up from Van's?
>
> We did not build our bird and it appears the builder just epoxied it to
> the rudder, over the paint..
>
> Just curious if there is a better way to mount it to the rudder, as to
> prevent this from happening again?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92083#92083
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing bolt torque values |
In a message dated 2/1/2007 11:11:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
december29@bellsouth.net writes:
Dan,
Thanks for the quick reply! Going to try the dry ice and Boelube trick to
get the bolts in. Yeah, when you have tail kit # 2 you are taking slow
building to a new level. ha,ha But she will fly this year. OSH is the goal.
Later,
John
John,
I don't think the dry ice is necessary, IMHO. I just put some wheel bearing
grease on the bolts -- avoiding getting any on the threads. I tapped them in
with a hammer and brass punch or block of hardwood. Have someone hold up the
wing tip as you tap. You can feel when the bolt is going best and tell the
person holding the wing to raise it more or less, "That's it, right there!"
Dan
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Has somebody put a list together of survival kit items for a cross country?
How about RV tool-kit & supplies?
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| Subject: | Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of
these is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed to
the black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an idea
of the formulation of these wing-walks?
Leland
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Hi:
My hand held radio needs new battery, (the one that came with the radio lasted
only three years)
I have the Icom A23 model... I have checked around here Orlando, the prices
are $80.00 and up...Battery is BP-200L 9.6V.
Any one knows, where I can get something cheaper ?
Thanks
Bert
Rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company ever,
$39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during the 4th
QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
You know, they could give away 100LL avgas and it would hardly affect their
bottom line. So why are they charging $4.25/gal at my local airport?
Answer: Because they can, and if you show up here and need gas, you will pay.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency Kit |
In the sleeve/shoulder pocket of my mil-issue nomex flight suit, I
carry a little vacuum-packed home made bundle with the following:
space blanket, signal mirror, butane lighter, pen knife, wax paper
wrapper (tinder). The barest survival basics. Adding a flat rescue
whistle would have been a nice touch, and maybe a keychain LED
flashlight, but I used what I had on hand that would pack into a deck
of cards-sized package and went with that.
That's a mere suppliment to what I know I should carry but don't
always, including a good down sleeping bag in wintertime, even for
local flights. Always dress for a night alone in the woods at the
expected temperatures, when putt-putting around in the ol' RV.
-Stormy
Forgot to mention that I usually CCW a sidearm, which has other
survival uses besides defense.
On 2/1/07, Greg Williams <mr.gsun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has somebody put a list together of survival kit items for a cross country?
> How about RV tool-kit & supplies?
>
>
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>> Just to further this discussion, I work for Werner Ladder and Extrusions,
>> we are one of the largest consumers of Aluminum, and the price of raw
>> aluminum. due to Chinese influence on the markets has increased by more
>> than 40% in the past year alone. <<
I've been following this thread just like I usually do when someone
complains about ACS. There is one question I have on this. Why is it that
Van's prices for his kits did not go up by 30-40% when other companies seem
to be hit by a huge price increase for aluminum? I must be missing
something. Aren't his kits primarily of aluminum? Knowing he cuts cost to
the bone, his profit margins are so thin that he'd have to pass the
increases to his customers. I saw very little increase on anything.
>> Add in the additional costs of transportation and shipping and you can
>> quickly realize why prices increase. If we do not deal with it on some
>> items, we will not have a place left to shop in the US. I do not want to
>> get philosophical, but Aircraft Spruce is a US company run by Americans,
>> if we as consumers run them out of business by going to the penny cheaper
>> alternatives, then we will deserve what we get when the only place to
>> order from takes several weeks to show up.<<
I beg to differ. I've found other American companies in the same business
who are competive on the same types of items and do a better job of customer
satisfaction for me. Granted, some in the list have had no problems with
ACS, or may not recognize poor service when they see it; but, I've had
enough trouble in the past with ACS that I tried other American business
sources. I'm still buying the same type and brand items; so, service is the
key for me. Companies such as Wicks, Chief, and San-Val have gotten my
business and have all done well by me on everything I've ordered from them.
When Alexander Aircraft was in business in GA, it was a fine little company
to do business with. Unfortunately, it was bought by ACS. I miss that
little company that had good prices and great service. Oh, yeah. You newer
folks know it as ACS East. I don't order from them, anymore.
As Chuck suggested, the way to find out if this increase is just with ACS is
to shop around. Checking with some of the better known companies should
give one an idea without having to compare to dusty old items that have been
on a shelf for a while. :-)
>> Personally, I am in NWPA, can order before 3pm EST and it will ship the
>> same day and I get it two days later. While many complain about customer
>> service, I have received no less than stellar service form them, and have
>> ordered several thousands of dollars worth of parts, not just the one
>> washer here and there stuff. <<
I, too, have ordered thousands of dollars in product from ACS. For some
reason, that made no difference in customer service than if I'd bought the
penny parts. In fact, one order I made that was thousands of dollars was
what got me to finally give up on ACS.
>> Just remember the alternative when we complain, our Australian friends
>> have to deal with 2-3 week lead times, and a huge shipping expense, so
>> the next time you complain think what it would be like to try and speak
>> Chinese to a customer service rep, and how will they track your part of
>> the slow boat container...<<
Unfortunately, I've had to wait a lot longer than that on ACS items shipped
to me from right here in the U.S. China may be the better choice if it has
a short lead time. :-( One example a friend had with ACS while we were
building his -9A. I warned him to not order his fluid lines from ACS; but,
he did, anyway. After about three weeks, he called to see about his lines.
They hadn't been ordered by ACS, yet! The guy who took the order went on
vacation and didn't even bother to order his lines! That held up the
project for a long time. I tried to warn him; but, he had to find out the
hard way. That's the kind of service that caused me to quit ACS. I had
enough of it to happen to me, and to others I know, that I decided they
weren't the only game in town. If they ever get to be, well........
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS (Scooter)
RV-7A #70317 (Trying hard to make this a lifetime project. :-) )
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| Subject: | Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
At 10:02 AM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
>
>A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of these
>is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed to the
>black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an idea of the
>formulation of these wing-walks?
>Leland
Same color as the wing sounds good but a contrasting color is easier to see
and
avoid stepping on an area that should not be stepped on.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Icom-Battery |
>My hand held radio needs new battery, (the one that came with the radio
>lasted
>only three years)
>
>I have the Icom A23 model... I have checked around here Orlando, the prices
>are $80.00 and up...Battery is BP-200L 9.6V.
Consider a battery pack that you can install rechargeable batteries (NiMH).
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
For non-skid decks on boats way back when, crushed walnut shells were
sometimes added to the paint. There may be modern-day substitutes, but I
would be a little concerned if the paint is light colored. It would seem to
me that this non-skid works like a doormat and would show dirt unless it's
about the color of the dirt.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland and Anne
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks
A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of
these is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed to
the black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an idea
of the formulation of these wing-walks?
Leland
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| Subject: | Re: Icom-Battery |
For what it's worth... I ordered replacement batteries for my IC-A22 from
Kendoo batteries (http://www.kendoo.com). They were the cheapest
replacement solution, and i'm still using the Kendoo battery today, 8 years
later.
Here's a link to their page for the IC-A23:
<http://www.kendoo.com/radio.asp?Org_Mfg=Icom&Application=IC-A23>
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Bob wrote:
>
> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
> ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
> the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: Icom-Battery |
Try www.batteriesamerica.com. I got a battery pack for my A23 from them a while ago.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: bertrv6@highstream.net
Subject: RV-List: Icom-Battery
>
>
>
> Hi:
>
> My hand held radio needs new battery, (the one that came with
> the radio lasted
> only three years)
>
> I have the Icom A23 model... I have checked around here Orlando,
> the prices
> are $80.00 and up...Battery is BP-200L 9.6V.
>
> Any one knows, where I can get something cheaper ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bert
> Rv6a
>
> Do Not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Always been satisfied with Spruce service |
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Now we are dancing around the edges of the truth.
Who supplies inflation numbers?
When's the last time they told you the truth?
Can you think of any (other) lies they've told you lately?
Charlie
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> Good rant, man. Of course, your $85,000 rig to catch some pan fish does
> put things in perspective. My paying job is not defending ACS, but I
> will tell you that their money grab may not be a bold and shameless as
> it may appear. We build some fairly large equipment that consumes
> everything from several hundred pounds of stainless, to instruments, to
> nuts/bolts/screws. We would love to have gotten by with only a 33%
> increase on many of these items.
>
> Anything that has a shipping component to it, be it inbound or outbound
> or is non-retail, the price jumps have been WAY above the rate of
> inflation. The CPI is based, for the most part of foodstuffs and retail
> items. Target, Sams, Wallys, et al have ensured that retail items have
> increased only modestly---but not so for specialty items.
>
> Anyhow, until one does a direct comparison on purchased items from ACS,
> Wicks and others, on items that are new to their stock (which fully
> reflect their new prices, not some old dusty back-shelf item) can we
> judge whether a little gougin' is goin' on.
>
> Chuck Jensen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
>
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
>
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
> stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some
> small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
>
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
> was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
> most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
> rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase
> at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year?
> Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that
> I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my
> $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
> pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Bob wrote:
>
>>
>> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
>> ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
>> the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
>
>
>
> Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
> profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
> humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
> expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
>
> The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
> large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
>
> Sam Buchanan
I wouldn't disagree that zeros can skew perspective, but profit to
revenue is a meaningless ratio, no matter what your accountant tries to
tell you. What's their return on investment & how great is their risk?
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
A different point of view is that the wing walk should stand out from
the wing so that exiting passengers will only step on the black wing walk
If the wing walk is same color as wing it should have a colored (red)
outline.
George in Langley BC
Leland and Anne wrote:
>
> A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of
> these is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed
> to the black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an
> idea of the formulation of these wing-walks?
> Leland
>
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| Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
Sam, with all due respect, the argument about 10% - 15% profits being
'reasonable' is a bit specious. Size if everything. If a small
business only earned 10% profit, they would be out of business tomorrow,
but for a commodities business operating on a mega-scale; a 10% - 15%
profit margin is humongous. This is not to make light of the large
investment oil companies make, but one should not mistake volume of
business (measured in $) with the size of the enterprise. A jeweler,
working out of his back room may sell a single $10,000,000
diamond...that does not make his a $10,000,000 business. Oil companies
conduct huge transactional business every year, but Mobil is not as big
as $377B in revenue would seem to indicate.
For commodities and for enterprises on the scale of oil companies, a
3%-5% profit is very handsome indeed. And remember, the $39B profit was
what they admitted to--after their accountants and cross border
maneuvering employed every machination know to man to minimize the
reported profit, knowing full well the rightful hew and cry that would
arise.
Mobile is getting no sympathy card from me.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
Bob wrote:
>
> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
> ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
> the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
Sam Buchanan
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Anybody have a source for a very detailed chart showing RPM and Manifold
pressure settings for a IO-360 and Hartzell C/S prop? The books for both
Lycoming and Hartzell don't have what I'd like to keep in my RV-7. Greg
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
>>>
>>> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US
>>> company ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in
>>> profits during the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant
>>> about.
The interesting thing to me is that this is a public company. Anyone
can share in the obscene profits by buying whatever proportion of the
company they can afford.
I have found that energy companies, in general, may not be the best
things to buy into, but go crazy if you think they are cleaning up.
Do not archive
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
http://n5lp.net
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Uuum, not that I disagree with the gist of what you are saying, but what
makes you think that a small business must make more than 10% to stay in
business??? Profit is what is left after all expenses - including
salaries for the owners, etc. As long as a business breaks even after
all expenses it can stay in business as long as the owners want it to.
A not unusual method of operating a small business is to make sure there
are no profits at all. Distribute any potential profits to the owners
and employees as salary and/or bonus and the profit disappears. No
profits and the business pays no taxes!
Dick Tasker
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
>Sam, with all due respect, the argument about 10% - 15% profits being
>'reasonable' is a bit specious. Size if everything. If a small
>business only earned 10% profit, they would be out of business tomorrow,
>but for a commodities business operating on a mega-scale; a 10% - 15%
>profit margin is humongous. This is not to make light of the large
>investment oil companies make, but one should not mistake volume of
>business (measured in $) with the size of the enterprise. A jeweler,
>working out of his back room may sell a single $10,000,000
>diamond...that does not make his a $10,000,000 business. Oil companies
>conduct huge transactional business every year, but Mobil is not as big
>as $377B in revenue would seem to indicate.
>
>For commodities and for enterprises on the scale of oil companies, a
>3%-5% profit is very handsome indeed. And remember, the $39B profit was
>what they admitted to--after their accountants and cross border
>maneuvering employed every machination know to man to minimize the
>reported profit, knowing full well the rightful hew and cry that would
>arise.
>
>Mobile is getting no sympathy card from me.
>
>Chuck Jensen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:32 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
>
>
>Bob wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
>>ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
>>the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
>>
>>
>
>
>Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
>profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
>humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
>expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
>
>The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
>large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
>
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Greg,
I was in the same boat a little over a year ago when we first began flying our
7A (IO360 / CS prop). The book that came with the engine (new from Aerosport)
had graphs in them but they were so small as to make them virtually unreadable
and useless. I called Lycoming and they sent me a 8 1/2 x 11 blow-up of the
power chart. After several hours of magnafying glass and ruler interpolations
I was able to WAG 25"/2500 as a takeoff power setting and I run 22"/2400 cruse
which gives me about 10GPH.
If anyone has a better chart I would like a copy also.
Reuven
N7WT
KSEE
Greg Williams <mr.gsun@gmail.com> wrote: Anybody have a source for a very detailed
chart showing RPM and Manifold pressure settings for a IO-360 and Hartzell
C/S prop? The books for both Lycoming and Hartzell don't have what I'd like
to keep in my RV-7. Greg
"No pressure, no diamonds".
~Thomas Carlyle
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| Subject: | Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M |
I published the Hotline a day early (email subscribers will get it tomorrow), because
I finished the story today. But it's now available online.
EAA asks court to overturn verdict in RV crash trial (http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion.html)
Or the whole shootin' match
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92199#92199
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| Subject: | Aircraft Spruce's price matching information |
I have been a customer of Aircraft Spruce for over 20 years. Let's face it, no
other company has as much in one place as Aircraft Spruce and their catalog
is second to none. Their catalogs educated me thousands of times over the years
which is worth a great deal to me that someone has gone to all that effort
to describe products. I read just about every page of their catalog every year.
Products change, improve, and material costs do increase - it happens - which
is why I always get the most current catalog or even better, check their current
pricing on their website. All companies do that, not just aircraft part
companies.
I have purchased products from all other competitors and have had a few problems
over the years but Aircraft Spruce ALWAYS does a great job. I have even had
the owner of the company follow up to make sure I was satisfied. I have never
had that happen with any other competitor.
I just found this on Aircraft Spruce's website:
"Aircraft Spruce will NOT be undersold!
Aircraft Spruce works hard to bring you low prices. If you have found a better
price for an item at another authorized dealer, we will do everything possible
to meet or beat that price.
Price matching is only applicable to identical conditions of sale. The item must
be in stock at the other authorized dealer (not a floor sample, "open box" item,
refurbished or demo piece). This offer applies to new purchases only. For
price adjustments on existing orders, please fill out the below form and click
submit. You will find a price match link at the bottom of each product page.
"
That's the official word from Aircraft Spruce. I love them and know they do
care about their customers. I can speak from personal experience. They are
not in the business to rip anyone off. If you think their is an unfair price,
go to their website and click on the price matching information link and I bet
you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Matt, Danny, Ben, Mikhail, and Jesse Reeves
All aircraft builders, Oshkosh, and Sun N Fun elite members and all around good
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| Subject: | Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
In a message dated 02/01/2007 12:01:42 PM Central Standard Time,
ronlee@pcisys.net writes:
Same color as the wing sounds good but a contrasting color is easier to see
and
avoid stepping on an area that should not be stepped on.
>>>>
Not after-the-fact stuff, but if you haven't painted yet, this worked well
for me and has held up nicely for almost 2 years so far:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5276
>From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
FWIW, I picked up my latest Aircraft Spruce order yesterday. The voice
on the phone when I ordered was friendly and helpful, the order was made
up and shipped promptly and arrived neatly and well packaged. The
Aircraft Spruce pricing on an obscure size of 4130 streamline tubing was
also about 40% less than Wicks (in that size, other sizes were
comparable, some were higher).
So overall, and just for the record, my latest customer service with the
guys in Corona was quite positive.
Generally steel and aluminum prices are all well up over the past year
or two. Just the worldwide commodity market, good if you own a mine or a
steel mill, less good if you are an end customer.
Jim Oke
RV-3, RV-6A
Wpg., MB
Brian Meyette wrote:
>
> I think their customer service is TERRIBLE.
> http://brian76.mystarband.net/vendors.htm
>
> brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Icom-Battery |
Quoting ptrotter@optonline.net:
> Try www.batteriesamerica.com. I got a battery pack for my A23 from them a
> while ago.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bertrv6@highstream.net
> Date: Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:13 pm
> Subject: RV-List: Icom-Battery
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > My hand held radio needs new battery, (the one that came with
> > the radio lasted
> > only three years)
> >
> > I have the Icom A23 model... I have checked around here Orlando,
> > the prices
> > are $80.00 and up...Battery is BP-200L 9.6V.
> >
> > Any one knows, where I can get something cheaper ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bert
> > Rv6a
> >
> > Do Not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >Paul thanks for the info . I went to their web page, could not find
the one for Icom A23...What I am doing wrong?
Do you remember the price?
Thanks
Bert
do not archive
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M |
Ok, that seems pretty much like the details.. Thanks Bob
NOW can we lynch the plantif lawyers???
:-)
Dave Leonard
On 2/1/07, Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I published the Hotline a day early (email subscribers will get it
> tomorrow), because I finished the story today. But it's now available
> online.
>
> EAA asks court to overturn verdict in RV crash trial (
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion.html)
>
> Or the whole shootin' match
>
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92199#92199
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Yep...Did that for about 10 years....bought myself a JOB. Sometimes when
times were tight guess who went without a paycheck. Big difference between
PAYROLL & payday. Owners of a small business are trying to get past the next
PAYROLL & employees are counting the hours until Friday. Sold out to larger
Corp. put the money in the banks CD and withdrew a "paycheck". NO taxes ? ?,
no workman's Comp. ???, no 401K donations....???. KABONG
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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
> <retasker@optonline.net>
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> Uuum, not that I disagree with the gist of what you are saying, but what
> makes you think that a small business must make more than 10% to stay in
> business??? Profit is what is left after all expenses - including
> salaries for the owners, etc. As long as a business breaks even after
> all expenses it can stay in business as long as the owners want it to. A
> not unusual method of operating a small business is to make sure there are
> no profits at all. Distribute any potential profits to the owners and
> employees as salary and/or bonus and the profit disappears. No profits
> and the business pays no taxes!
>
> Dick Tasker
>
> Chuck Jensen wrote:
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I guess I don't understand your settings. There are two versions of
Lycoming IO360, with many variants, 180 and 200hp. AFAIK both are rated
at 2700 rpm. My -A1A engine is 200hp at 2700 and 29 inches for takeoff,
and once I am above safe altitude I reduce to 2600 for cruise climb.
Cruise at 2500 and 24" normally. You might want to talk to Hartzell, as
most of their props on the versions of the engine without dynamic
counterweights have rpm restrictions in th 2000-2350 range. The Cardinal
and Mooney versions, -A1B6 or A3B6 are the counterweighted version
cranks that reduce the rpm restrictions at cruise rpms, but add some at
low power settings below 15".
Reuven Silberman wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I was in the same boat a little over a year ago when we first began
> flying our 7A (IO360 / CS prop). The book that came with the engine
> (new from Aerosport) had graphs in them but they were so small as to
> make them virtually unreadable and useless. I called Lycoming and
> they sent me a 8 1/2 x 11 blow-up of the power chart. After several
> hours of magnafying glass and ruler interpolations
> I was able to WAG 25"/2500 as a takeoff power setting and I run
> 22"/2400 cruse which gives me about 10GPH.
>
> If anyone has a better chart I would like a copy also.
>
> Reuven
> N7WT
> KSEE
> */Greg Williams <mr.gsun@gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> Anybody have a source for a very detailed chart showing RPM and
> Manifold pressure settings for a IO-360 and Hartzell C/S prop?
> The books for both Lycoming and Hartzell
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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