---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/12/07: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Re: F1 Rocket for sale (Steve Glasgow) 2. 04:15 AM - Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve (Richard Reynolds) 3. 04:42 AM - Re: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve (Bruce Gray) 4. 05:23 AM - Re: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve (Jerry Springer) 5. 06:51 AM - Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve- REDUX (Richard Reynolds) 6. 07:04 AM - Re: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve (John Erickson) 7. 07:06 AM - Re: Backup Battery Size? (Richard Martin) 8. 07:19 AM - All Electric RV ? (FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com) 9. 07:39 AM - new tailwheel (Frazier, Vincent A) 10. 07:55 AM - Re: All Electric RV ? (Ron Lee) 11. 08:16 AM - Re: Price Increase Rant (Eric Ekberg) 12. 09:01 AM - Alternate Tailwheel (Doug Bell) 13. 10:17 AM - Re: All Electric RV ? (Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)) 14. 10:36 AM - Re: Alternate Tailwheel (J. R. Dial) 15. 01:17 PM - Re: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve- REDUX (T.C. Chang) 16. 02:36 PM - Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? (Gerry Filby) 17. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations (Panama) 18. 04:44 PM - Re: All Electric RV ? (Dan Checkoway) 19. 04:52 PM - Re: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? (Brad Templin) 20. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations (Konrad L. Werner) 21. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations (Kevin Horton) 22. 05:40 PM - Re: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? (linn Walters) 23. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations (linn Walters) 24. 06:03 PM - Duckworks Light Dimensions (Kyle Boatright) 25. 06:52 PM - Re: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? (Bret Smith) 26. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations (Kelly McMullen) 27. 09:13 PM - Re: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? (Gerry Filby) 28. 09:56 PM - Re: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:44 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RV-List: F1 Rocket for sale This one is awesome. http://www.vansairforce.net/buildermodifications/tailwheel/Tailwheel_Doug Bell.htm Contact for Doug. dbell@manisteenational.com Steve Glasgow-Cappy N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:43 AM PST US From: Richard Reynolds Subject: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve like the "real" planes have? Richard Reynolds ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:19 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve Salvage yard - buy "real" plane valve. Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:11 AM Subject: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve like the "real" planes have? Richard Reynolds ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:25 AM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve "Real" planes!!!!! ouch. :-) Jerry do not archive ]Richard Reynolds wrote: > > Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve > like the "real" planes have? > > Richard Reynolds > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:44 AM PST US From: Richard Reynolds Subject: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve- REDUX OK,I 'm sorry, apologize, etc. Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve for superior crafted OBAM planes? Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve like the "real" planes have? Richard Reynolds ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:55 AM PST US From: "John Erickson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve For my "real" plane, I went to a salvage yard and got an old one from one of the "spam can wannabee a real" planes... John DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:11 AM Subject: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve like the "real" planes have? Richard Reynolds __________ NOD32 2055 (20070212) Information __________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:48 AM PST US From: "Richard Martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? John, I used a small 7amp battery from B&C as suggested by them It works good and lasts between 3 & 4 years. I put the last one in my lawnmower and it still works. Dick Martin RV8 N233M ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? Those of you with dual electronic ignition systems that have opted for a backup battery: What capacity backup battery did you opt for? 3.5AH, 5AH or what? Suggestions if you recall a battery name/number. Thanks ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:23 AM PST US From: FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com Subject: RV-List: All Electric RV ? All Electric RV which way to go? I have and all electric panel, so my question is do I install a A. Second Alternator (12 Amp B&C) using existing battery B. Backup battery only with a switch C. Second Alternator and a Backup Battery I am already have been using an Ex-Bus for 4 years, (which has a specific 5 amp circuit for charging a aux battery). My battery is in the tail due to weight and balance. Back up plan also includes a TruTrac ADI with backup battery/GPS, hand held Garmin 195, and a hand held I-Com hand held radio. I do fly IFR. So where I need opinions & experiances on which method do I use ? Who can tell me where to get some wiring diagrams (other than Bob Knuckols) and the parts ? Dane Sheahen N838RV RV8a ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:35 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: new tailwheel From: "Frazier, Vincent A" ******* Could it have been the Bell tailwheel fork? If you have the time to wait for one, they are fantastic. One of the best pieces of machining for aftermarket RV parts (and better than most standard RV parts) I've ever seen. Pricey, and it might take a few months to get. I know Vince was offering one too, but haven't seen it. Either way, the new angle of tailwheel brackets are awesome. I love my Bell tailwheel fork. Never thought it would make that much difference, but it really does.************ It was me who offered another alterative to the Van's units. My units differ from the Bell units in that mine are wrapped steel sheet (similar to Van's) while the Bell units are tube steel. Mine have less frontal area and will accept a wheel pant. My units are all 4130 steel, CNC machined, and tig welded. I have shipped 40 units in the past 2 months. So far, all the feedback I have received has been about the improved performance and high quality. I typically have plenty of the units in stock and ready to ship. Prices are $175 for a fork to retrofit your Van's full swivel tailwheel or $241 if you need the whole unit. Shipping is an extra $14 to US customers. I also have a full compliment of spare parts that will fit the Van's units, tailwheel tires, axle spacers, sealed (no greasy mess) bearings, and other stuff... like a wide array of vinyl graphics, N-numbers, military insignia, stripes, checkerboards, etc.. Check it out. Vince Frazier Screaming Eagle Graphics and Accessories, LLC 3965 Caborn Road Mount Vernon, IN 47620 812-464-1839 http://vincesrocket.com/products.htm ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:25 AM PST US From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: RV-List: All Electric RV ? >Since you fly IFR I suspect that dual alternator and battery is your best bet. If you only have one battery and two alternators would you continue flying if the battery died? Likewise, if you have two batteries and the one alternator dies would you continue flying or land? Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:49 AM PST US From: "Eric Ekberg" Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant Wow, nicely summed up. I couldn't have said it better myself. For some reason, most people have a hard time understanding this. I'm surprised at the number of people who "get it" on this list. I guess it says a lot for the intelligence of people who build their own plane. -Eric do not archive On 2/3/07, Terry Watson wrote: > > > I'm not sure if "criminal" is the right word, but I would certainly agree > that subsidies distort a free market in ways that are virtually always bad > for us in the long run and usually in the short run. You dilute the > strength > of your argument significantly by blaming it on the republicans. The way I > see the problem is that we have allowed government to become powerful > enough > to take from the many to give to the few when it meets the personal needs > of > an individual or group who has at least for the moment the power to reward > friends and punish political enemies. From my perspective the republicans > used to have a better record than the democrats of keeping their hands off > my life, but after they had their moment in the sun it's a lot harder to > distinguish between the two. We have such a tangle of oil subsidies, farm > subsidies, ethanol subsidies, nuclear subsidies, sugar price supports, > school lunch programs, school breakfast programs, and import restrictions > to > name a few, plus the various other groups clamoring and muscling their way > into our pockets that it's absolutely amazing that market forces still > find > a way to keep us fed, housed, and relatively free and happy. When we look > to > the government for everything that we are not able or willing to pay for, > we > end up competing in our skill at begging rather than our skill at > producing. > We pay AOPA and maybe the EAA to defend us against others' wants and then > to > plead, threaten or beg for ours. Charlie talks about advocating for cancer > research which certainly seems to me a worthy cause, but is it a better > cause than any or all the other causes that compete for the same dollars? > Would more lives be saved if it were spent some other way? Look at the > millions of lives lost to malaria because of the pressure of the > environmental community to ban DDT. > > As for alternative energy, I am unaware of any way "Big Oil" is or even > could hold it back. Alternative resources or technologies are the limit on > monopoly power. There is a price at which any commodity becomes less > attractive than an alternative, even if that alternative is doing without > as > in the case of purely luxury goods. > > When a market is free, WE individually choose where our money goes. To the > extent that it is not free, we have less to say about what we get for our > efforts. > > Terry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Larson > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:23 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant > > > I believe in free markets. I also believe it was criminal for the > Republicans to give Big Oil a tax handout a couple of years ago. > > I also believe it's a crime when our energy policies are written by > Big Oil, or when Big Oil takes steps to hold back alternative forms > of energy. > > They can have their profit. I don't care. Just don't give them > handouts and don't let them tell us we can't pursue alternative energy. > > -J > > Do not archive > > On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Terry Watson wrote: > > > > > Chuck, > > > > I certainly would not call you a free market advocate. You would > > let the > > rest of us be free in our dealings with each other, as long as the > > results > > were what you wanted -- the products you want at a price you consider > > "fair", whatever that means, and most likely a minimum wage that would > > support a family of four at a comfortable level (just guessing there.) > > > > A free market is one that allows individuals, groups and > > corporations to > > make whatever agreements and arrangements they find mutually to their > > benefit, without force or fraud. Some industries require huge > > investments. > > Have you priced a double-hulled supertanker, an oil refinery, an > > off-shore > > oil rig, or a pipeline lately? > > > > OPEC is an oil cartel that has been trying to establish a minimum > > price for > > crude oil for decades, and they can't make it stick. Some country > > is always > > undercutting their price. > > > > By definition, when a government attempts to regulate or even > > influence a > > market, it distorts it and forces someone to pay more for a product > > than a > > free market would, and favors someone else. California wants to > > prohibit > > incandescent lights to save energy. That will be a real windfall for > > electricians who will be replacing maybe 99% of all the dimmer > > switches in > > the state because they won't work with fluorescent bulbs, the current > > favorite technology. > > > > My condolences to all of you who missed the program on PBS last > > night about > > the life and ideas of the late Milton Freidman, a man who may have > > done more > > to improve the lives of people on the planet than anyone else who > > has ever > > had an idea. One crude summary of his work would be "free minds and > > free > > markets." > > > > Sorry guys, but one rant begets another rant. > > > > Terry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen > > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:40 AM > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Price Increase Rant > > > > > > Charlie, > > > > In reading your message, I can say with certainty that I agree with > > you...or you agree with me, whichever, but we are in agreement. The > > size of the investment and degree of risk is what determines a 'fair > > return on investment', not the amount or velocity cash that flows > > through one's books. > > > > The idea that Exxon is a $377B company is ludicrous, as is their > > profit. > > Buying a barrel of crude for $55 and selling it 15 seconds later > > for $56 > > is just a transaction, not real business. It does not add $56 in > > enterprise value and entitle you to a $5.60 profit (10%). > > > > Before everyone got hung up on 'free markets' being sacrosynct, they > > used to call it gouging or marketeering, or monopolistic pricing, > > collusion and miscellaneous other perjorative terms applied to the > > behavior common among oil companies. Even though there are several > > oil > > companies, anyone that doesn't think there isn't collusion going > > on---even if they don't meet in a room on Thursday night to plan > > things, > > the fact is they are all equally motivated to cut the legs off of the > > public, not each other. > > > > Now, I am not anti-free markets, but I am anti-free for all. > > Government > > should govern with the absolute lightest touch possible, but to be > > totally hands off is to allow the worst tendencies of individuals and > > companies to prevail. I guess you would call me a quasi, free market > > advocate....whatever the heck that is. > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Jensen > > Diversified Technologies > > 2680 Westcott Blvd > > Knoxville, TN 37931 > > Phn: 865-539-9000 x25 > > Cell: 865-406-9001 > > Fax: 865-539-9001 > > cjensen@dts9000.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:17 AM PST US From: "Doug Bell" Subject: RV-List: Alternate Tailwheel Fellow rvers' It has been a long time since I have posted a message here. Paul...thanks for the kind words about the bell tail wheel fork my father is building. Currently he is on a break due to injury, but will be starting up again soon. If you go to Vans Air force.net and look in the builders mod section you will see it. Yes there is a wait...we are certainly trying to get them to everyone as quickly as we can. I can be reached directly at dbell@manisteenational.com Thanks, Doug Bell RV8 N266WB Manistee,MI -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:58 AM Subject: RV-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/11/07 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-02-11&Archive=RV Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2007-02-11&Archive=RV =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/11/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - F1 Rocket for sale (N395V) 2. 06:06 AM - (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 3. 07:03 AM - Temporary Wing Walks (Tim Bryan) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Kyle Boatright) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Darrell Reiley) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Dan Checkoway) 7. 08:33 AM - NEW United Instruments True Airspeed Indicator (Scott Brown) 8. 12:14 PM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Steven DiNieri) 9. 02:32 PM - Backup Battery Size? (John Fasching) 10. 03:35 PM - Re: Backup Battery Size? (Doug Weiler) 11. 07:42 PM - Alternate tailwheel ? (Gerry Filby) 12. 08:21 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (JOHN STARN) 13. 08:32 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (S Hamer) 14. 08:59 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (Gerry Filby) 15. 09:18 PM - Re: antennae placement: (Dave Cudney) 16. 10:54 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (Paul Besing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:43 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: F1 Rocket for sale From: "N395V" This oneis mine. Photo's and specs at or call me 601-810-7401 -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94271#94271 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:18 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Anyone have any pictures of Chuck Spencer's RV-8 Serendipity? Nice RV8 with a WWII olive drab, silver, yellow combo with painted on exhaust stacks and some nose art. If so, could you send me a link to them or email them to me privately. I'd appreciate it as I'm trying to come up with my final paint scheme myself. thx, lucky do not archive
Anyone have any pictures of Chuck Spencer's RV-8 Serendipity?  Nice RV8 with a WWII olive drab, silver, yellow combo with painted on exhaust stacks and some nose art.
 
If so, could you send me a link to them or email them to me privately.  I'd appreciate it as I'm trying to come up with my final paint scheme myself.
 
thx,
lucky
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:30 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after I get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what works best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to paint? Thanks Tim RV-6 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:05 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after I > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what > works > best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to paint? > > Thanks > Tim > RV-6 Most home centers sell tape with a rough surface on one side. It would probably be a good temporary solution for you. Kyle Boatright ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:19 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks I've seen people use the wide electrical tape, not the plastic stuff, the type that looks as if it has nylon or cotton material in the tape. It was very durable, showed people where to step and made the surface not slippery when wet. I guess it did its job... ;-) Darrell --- Tim Bryan wrote: > > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing > walk material on after I > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. > Anybody know what works > best as a temporary material that will come off > easily when time to paint? > > Thanks > Tim > RV-6 > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > Web Forums! > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:39 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks I saw a Lancair IV-P driver use what looked like a bathtub mat. It had suction cups on one side. He slapped it down on the wing, got in, then reached over and removed it. No drag, nothing permanent. )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after I > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what > works > best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to paint? > > Thanks > Tim > RV-6 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:26 AM PST US From: "Scott Brown" Subject: RV-List: NEW United Instruments True Airspeed Indicator Listers, I have on Ebay or for sale directly to RV'ers a NEW United Instruments True Airspeed Indicator, pn 8125. This instrument was never installed and is in perfect condition. Item was purchased less than 1 year ago. I no longer have the paperwork for it. It would go nicely in an experimental aircraft. The speed range is 0 - 250 mph or 215 knots. There are no markings for flap range, caution range or redline. The instrument size is 3 1/8 in. Cost new for this item is well over $400 at Aircraft Spruce. I am selling it for $325. Please contact me off-list. I can be reached at sbrown@ginnracing.com Cheers! Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:36 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks Tim, I've used a vinyl sign making product from 3m. Instead of a smooth color, they make a frosted type that simulates etched glass. It has a textured surface that gives some grip. It lasts a long time, takes abuse and removes fairly easy (it's opaque). I use it for protecting painted surfaces as well. Another product that comes in handy is the carpet protector, sold at home depot-lowes. It a clear film that has a "post it" type of adhesive. So its temporary at best, but protects well.. Part of my biz consists of a custom graphics shop, so I'm sure I've got 3m frosted stuff kicking around. Email me off list and I'll send you a square to test. If you decide you need some, I can precut to emulate the wing walk. Also I can run it through our plotter to cut any shape (even cut letters into it), just cover cost of materials. Steve DiNieri 40205 Iflyrv10.com Preautoacc.com > > > > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after > I > > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what > > works > > best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to > paint? > > > > Thanks > > Tim > > RV-6 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:06 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? Those of you with dual electronic ignition systems that have opted for a backup battery: What capacity backup battery did you opt for? 3.5AH, 5AH or what? Suggestions if you recall a battery name/number. Thanks ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:13 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? I used a Powersonic PS-1251FP 5.4 amp hour battery for the standby circuit of my dual Lightspeed system. Powersonic makes a wide variety of these small batteries in a many shapes and sizes (I think Panasonic does also). They are cheap (something like $30-40 dollars) and seem just fine for this type of application. Doug Weiler N722DW, RV-4, 365 hrs http://www.power-sonic.com/index.php?id=31&gr_id=40 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? Those of you with dual electronic ignition systems that have opted for a backup battery: What capacity backup battery did you opt for? 3.5AH, 5AH or what? Suggestions if you recall a battery name/number. Thanks ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:44 PM PST US From: "Gerry Filby" Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwhe el that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (Th is is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwhee l pant.) Anyone remember ? g ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:00 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? Did it look something like this post. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive I apologize to those who consider this type of email to be spam. However, many of you with heavier RVs or Rockets will benefit immensely from this new improved full swiveling tailwheel. I won't bore you with details, but if you're not happy with the sloppy response from your stock Van's type tailwheel, if you've ever snagged it on uneven pavement (crunch!), or if you just want a tailwheel that can actually accommodate a tailwheel pant. this is for you. http://www.vincesrocket.com/products.htm Vince Frazier http://vincesrocket.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Filby To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwheel that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (This is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwheel pant.) Anyone remember ? g ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:04 PM PST US From: "S Hamer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? http://vincesrocket.com/products.htm Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Filby To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwheel that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (This is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwheel pant.) Anyone remember ? g ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:00 PM PST US From: "Gerry Filby" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? =EF=BB Thanks, that was it ... honest I did try searching the archive, I guess I'm "search challenged". g do not archive -----Original Message----- From: JOHN STARN [mailto:jhstarn@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 08:20 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? Did it look something like this post. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive I apologize to those who consider this type of email to be spam. However, many of you with heavier RVs or Rockets will benefit immensely from this new improved full swiveling tailwheel. I won't bore you with details, but if you're not happy with the sloppy re sponse from your stock Van's type tailwheel, if you've ever snagged it on uneven pavement (crunch!), or if you just want a tailwheel that can actu ally accommodate a tailwheel pant. this is for you. http://www.vincesrocket.com/products.htm Vince Frazier http://vincesrocket.com ----- Original Message ----- From:Gerry Filby To:rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwhe el that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (Th is is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwhee l pant.) Anyone remember ? g ========================_ ==== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:38 PM PST US From: Dave Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: antennae placement: > I am at the point of placing two CI-122 bent whip antennae on the > bottom of my RV 7A. In one of his aircraft systems CDs George Orndorff suggests that a placement allowing a 42 inch diameter ground plane will give best performance and range for a comm antenna. He placed two antennas as close to the center line as he could without placing them in the elevator tunnel. He placed them just to the right of the center line with the first just behind the spar and the second a couple of feet behind. His concern with placing them, as I have seen on some RVs, parallel to each other just in front of the spar was that the performance might suffer particularly to the right of the right antenna or to the left of the left antenna where the ground plane would only extend about eight inches. That being said I think it probably looks nicer to have them parallel. Questions: When the wings are mounted do they count in the measurement of the ground plane thus eliminating the chance for poorer performance laterally? Has anyone had experience that might confirm or deny parallel or in- line antenna performance? Thanks in advance Dave Cudney Don't 4get the Riverside Airshow is coming up on March 31 Those RVers who would like to are invited to come by the Hangar (GM 1 just west of the tower) for Hamburgers and Hot dogs. It is also a great place to view the Airshow. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:25 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? Could it have been the Bell tailwheel fork? If you have the time to wait for one, they are fantastic. One of the best pieces of machining for aftermarket RV parts (and better than most standard RV parts) I've ever seen. Pricey, and it might take a few months to get. I know Vince was offering one too, but haven't seen it. Either way, the new angle of tailwheel brackets are awesome. I love my Bell tailwheel fork. Never thought it would make that much difference, but it really does. Paul Besing Gerry Filby wrote: This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwheel that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (This is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwheel pant.) Anyone remember ? g --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. !DSPAM:45d0237b78661722623302! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:12 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: All Electric RV ? From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" There are as many opinions on this as there are ideas. My 2 cents after owning 2 all electric RV's for over 2k hours. 1. Batteries don't fail. More than 1 is not necessary 2. Alternators do fail. I have lost ~6, including one IMC. Never needed 2 though. 3. I have plenty of juice in my battery to get me to my destination or some other suitable location 4. Your far more likely to have a device fail than "the system" 5. too complex means too much trouble, complexity, weight, & headache 6. If you cant find what your looking for with all of Bobs diagrams, Im not sure where you would. You can easily make subtle changes to any one of those to suit your needs. 7. Best to write down all your failure modes that are in the realm of possibility and see if your system supports them, including multiples of them. Its gong to be very hard to provide you advice without knowing your mission objectives. I fly IFR is really not enough. Do you do mostly punch throughs and let downs? Do you generally NEED to get somewhere regardless of weather? Are you more cautious and conservative, or more liberal on your decisions? Are your minimums minimums, or well above that? Have you actually killed your system in flight, fired up the battery backup, and tried to fly to a suitable location under the hood? Have you considered all your likely failure modes and worked em through? Just some random thoughts for you. Mike _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: RV-List: All Electric RV ? All Electric RV which way to go? I have and all electric panel, so my question is do I install a A. Second Alternator (12 Amp B&C) using existing battery B. Backup battery only with a switch C. Second Alternator and a Backup Battery I am already have been using an Ex-Bus for 4 years, (which has a specific 5 amp circuit for charging a aux battery). My battery is in the tail due to weight and balance. Back up plan also includes a TruTrac ADI with backup battery/GPS, hand held Garmin 195, and a hand held I-Com hand held radio. I do fly IFR. So where I need opinions & experiances on which method do I use ? Who can tell me where to get some wiring diagrams (other than Bob Knuckols) and the parts ? Dane Sheahen N838RV RV8a ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:18 AM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: Alternate Tailwheel I have one of Doug Bell's tail wheels on my RV6 and could not be more pleased. Quality and performance is perfect. Dick Dial N89DD DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bell Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: RV-List: Alternate Tailwheel Fellow rvers' It has been a long time since I have posted a message here. Paul...thanks for the kind words about the bell tail wheel fork my father is building. Currently he is on a break due to injury, but will be starting up again soon. If you go to Vans Air force.net and look in the builders mod section you will see it. Yes there is a wait...we are certainly trying to get them to everyone as quickly as we can. I can be reached directly at dbell@manisteenational.com Thanks, Doug Bell RV8 N266WB Manistee,MI -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV-List Digest Server Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:58 AM Subject: RV-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/11/07 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Cha pter 07-02-11&Archive=RV Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chap ter 2007-02-11&Archive=RV =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/11/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - F1 Rocket for sale (N395V) 2. 06:06 AM - (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 3. 07:03 AM - Temporary Wing Walks (Tim Bryan) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Kyle Boatright) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Darrell Reiley) 6. 07:57 AM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Dan Checkoway) 7. 08:33 AM - NEW United Instruments True Airspeed Indicator (Scott Brown) 8. 12:14 PM - Re: Temporary Wing Walks (Steven DiNieri) 9. 02:32 PM - Backup Battery Size? (John Fasching) 10. 03:35 PM - Re: Backup Battery Size? (Doug Weiler) 11. 07:42 PM - Alternate tailwheel ? (Gerry Filby) 12. 08:21 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (JOHN STARN) 13. 08:32 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (S Hamer) 14. 08:59 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (Gerry Filby) 15. 09:18 PM - Re: antennae placement: (Dave Cudney) 16. 10:54 PM - Re: Alternate tailwheel ? (Paul Besing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:43 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: F1 Rocket for sale From: "N395V" This oneis mine. Photo's and specs at or call me 601-810-7401 -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket www.excaliburaviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94271#94271 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:18 AM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Anyone have any pictures of Chuck Spencer's RV-8 Serendipity? Nice RV8 with a WWII olive drab, silver, yellow combo with painted on exhaust stacks and some nose art. If so, could you send me a link to them or email them to me privately. I'd appreciate it as I'm trying to come up with my final paint scheme myself. thx, lucky do not archive
Anyone have any pictures of Chuck Spencer's RV-8 Serendipity?  Nice RV8 with a WWII olive drab, silver, yellow combo with painted on exhaust stacks and some nose art.
 
If so, could you send me a link to them or email them to me privately.  I'd appreciate it as I'm trying to come up with my final paint scheme myself.
 
thx,
lucky
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:30 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after I get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what works best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to paint? Thanks Tim RV-6 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:05 AM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after I > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what > works > best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to paint? > > Thanks > Tim > RV-6 Most home centers sell tape with a rough surface on one side. It would probably be a good temporary solution for you. Kyle Boatright ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:19 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks I've seen people use the wide electrical tape, not the plastic stuff, the type that looks as if it has nylon or cotton material in the tape. It was very durable, showed people where to step and made the surface not slippery when wet. I guess it did its job... ;-) Darrell --- Tim Bryan wrote: > > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing > walk material on after I > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. > Anybody know what works > best as a temporary material that will come off > easily when time to paint? > > Thanks > Tim > RV-6 > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > Web Forums! > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:39 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks I saw a Lancair IV-P driver use what looked like a bathtub mat. It had suction cups on one side. He slapped it down on the wing, got in, then reached over and removed it. No drag, nothing permanent. )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after I > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what > works > best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to paint? > > Thanks > Tim > RV-6 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:26 AM PST US From: "Scott Brown" Subject: RV-List: NEW United Instruments True Airspeed Indicator Listers, I have on Ebay or for sale directly to RV'ers a NEW United Instruments True Airspeed Indicator, pn 8125. This instrument was never installed and is in perfect condition. Item was purchased less than 1 year ago. I no longer have the paperwork for it. It would go nicely in an experimental aircraft. The speed range is 0 - 250 mph or 215 knots. There are no markings for flap range, caution range or redline. The instrument size is 3 1/8 in. Cost new for this item is well over $400 at Aircraft Spruce. I am selling it for $325. Please contact me off-list. I can be reached at sbrown@ginnracing.com Cheers! Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:36 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: RE: RV-List: Temporary Wing Walks Tim, I've used a vinyl sign making product from 3m. Instead of a smooth color, they make a frosted type that simulates etched glass. It has a textured surface that gives some grip. It lasts a long time, takes abuse and removes fairly easy (it's opaque). I use it for protecting painted surfaces as well. Another product that comes in handy is the carpet protector, sold at home depot-lowes. It a clear film that has a "post it" type of adhesive. So its temporary at best, but protects well.. Part of my biz consists of a custom graphics shop, so I'm sure I've got 3m frosted stuff kicking around. Email me off list and I'll send you a square to test. If you decide you need some, I can precut to emulate the wing walk. Also I can run it through our plotter to cut any shape (even cut letters into it), just cover cost of materials. Steve DiNieri 40205 Iflyrv10.com Preautoacc.com > > > > > > My plane is not yet painted. I want to put wing walk material on after > I > > get it painted, but looks like it might be a while. Anybody know what > > works > > best as a temporary material that will come off easily when time to > paint? > > > > Thanks > > Tim > > RV-6 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:06 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? Those of you with dual electronic ignition systems that have opted for a backup battery: What capacity backup battery did you opt for? 3.5AH, 5AH or what? Suggestions if you recall a battery name/number. Thanks ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:13 PM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? I used a Powersonic PS-1251FP 5.4 amp hour battery for the standby circuit of my dual Lightspeed system. Powersonic makes a wide variety of these small batteries in a many shapes and sizes (I think Panasonic does also). They are cheap (something like $30-40 dollars) and seem just fine for this type of application. Doug Weiler N722DW, RV-4, 365 hrs http://www.power-sonic.com/index.php?id=31&gr_id=40 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RV-List: Backup Battery Size? Those of you with dual electronic ignition systems that have opted for a backup battery: What capacity backup battery did you opt for? 3.5AH, 5AH or what? Suggestions if you recall a battery name/number. Thanks ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:44 PM PST US From: "Gerry Filby" Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwhe el that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (Th is is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwhee l pant.) Anyone remember ? g ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:00 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? Did it look something like this post. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive I apologize to those who consider this type of email to be spam. However, many of you with heavier RVs or Rockets will benefit immensely from this new improved full swiveling tailwheel. I won't bore you with details, but if you're not happy with the sloppy response from your stock Van's type tailwheel, if you've ever snagged it on uneven pavement (crunch!), or if you just want a tailwheel that can actually accommodate a tailwheel pant. this is for you. http://www.vincesrocket.com/products.htm Vince Frazier http://vincesrocket.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Filby To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwheel that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (This is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwheel pant.) Anyone remember ? g ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:04 PM PST US From: "S Hamer" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? http://vincesrocket.com/products.htm Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Filby To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwheel that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (This is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwheel pant.) Anyone remember ? g ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:00 PM PST US From: "Gerry Filby" Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? =EF=BB Thanks, that was it ... honest I did try searching the archive, I guess I'm "search challenged". g do not archive -----Original Message----- From: JOHN STARN [mailto:jhstarn@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 08:20 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? Did it look something like this post. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive I apologize to those who consider this type of email to be spam. However, many of you with heavier RVs or Rockets will benefit immensely from this new improved full swiveling tailwheel. I won't bore you with details, but if you're not happy with the sloppy re sponse from your stock Van's type tailwheel, if you've ever snagged it on uneven pavement (crunch!), or if you just want a tailwheel that can actu ally accommodate a tailwheel pant. this is for you. http://www.vincesrocket.com/products.htm Vince Frazier http://vincesrocket.com ----- Original Message ----- From:Gerry Filby To:rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwhe el that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (Th is is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwhee l pant.) Anyone remember ? g ========================_ ==== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:38 PM PST US From: Dave Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: antennae placement: > I am at the point of placing two CI-122 bent whip antennae on the > bottom of my RV 7A. In one of his aircraft systems CDs George Orndorff suggests that a placement allowing a 42 inch diameter ground plane will give best performance and range for a comm antenna. He placed two antennas as close to the center line as he could without placing them in the elevator tunnel. He placed them just to the right of the center line with the first just behind the spar and the second a couple of feet behind. His concern with placing them, as I have seen on some RVs, parallel to each other just in front of the spar was that the performance might suffer particularly to the right of the right antenna or to the left of the left antenna where the ground plane would only extend about eight inches. That being said I think it probably looks nicer to have them parallel. Questions: When the wings are mounted do they count in the measurement of the ground plane thus eliminating the chance for poorer performance laterally? Has anyone had experience that might confirm or deny parallel or in- line antenna performance? Thanks in advance Dave Cudney Don't 4get the Riverside Airshow is coming up on March 31 Those RVers who would like to are invited to come by the Hangar (GM 1 just west of the tower) for Hamburgers and Hot dogs. It is also a great place to view the Airshow. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:25 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternate tailwheel ? Could it have been the Bell tailwheel fork? If you have the time to wait for one, they are fantastic. One of the best pieces of machining for aftermarket RV parts (and better than most standard RV parts) I've ever seen. Pricey, and it might take a few months to get. I know Vince was offering one too, but haven't seen it. Either way, the new angle of tailwheel brackets are awesome. I love my Bell tailwheel fork. Never thought it would make that much difference, but it really does. Paul Besing Gerry Filby wrote: This past couple of weeks there was a posting about a replacement tailwheel that increases the ground clearance - its a very similar design to the Vans one but the fork is angled downwards to increase the clearance. (This is not the Aviation Products one - that's to wide to fit in a tailwheel pant.) Anyone remember ? g --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. !DSPAM:45d0237b78661722623302! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:33 PM PST US From: "T.C. Chang" Subject: RE: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve- REDUX I use a nylo-seal union tee to tie into the static line and a bulkhead union to serve as the valve. On the open end of the union I seal off the nut with glue. Just turn the nut to open the alternate air valve (one or two turns). It works well for me. Ted Part number from Aircraft Spruce: Union Tee: 264-N 04 Bulkhead union: 282-N 04 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RV-List: Static Air System - Alternate Air Valve- REDUX OK,I 'm sorry, apologize, etc. Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve for superior crafted OBAM planes? Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the alternate air valve like the "real" planes have? Richard Reynolds ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:32 PM PST US From: "Gerry Filby" Subject: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? One of these ... http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=6949 Expensive little bu****s ... anyone got one an prepared to lease/loan ? g ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:47 PM PST US From: "Panama" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations I am sorry to get into this dog fight a little late, but, I do not understand. My engine definately is hard to start and hard to keep running at idle during hot weather. I run an IO-360 (180 hp) Bendix FI system. On taxi to and back from the runway on a hot day I get some pretty violent engine surges, settles down with boost pump on. It can take 30-40 revolutions to start the engine. Before I installed the purge valve, one time during a hotstart I had to take the cowl off and wait 90 minutes for engine cool down! I have even been supervised by Don Rivera himself during engine startup. My current solution; don't fly in hot weather If this is not vapor lock, then what is it? . You guys really got me confused Bob I have a problem when, in the absence of any clear data, a malfunction is attributed to 'vapor lock'. I've put up with all the rhetoric for a lot of years running auto fuel ..... in FL, on hot days, with both injected and carb'd engines (yep, run auto fuel through the injected engine too ..... but not near as much as through a carb) with nary a hiccup. Not even any more hard starting problems than using 100LL. I guess the statement 'looked like vapor lock to me' just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry. I really would rather have statements backed up by data or first-person-experience, not (to seal a line from a song) 'I heard it from a friend, who, heard it from a friend, who .... '. The point I tried to make (and failed, I guess) is that all that engine running after startup should have purged any heat-soaked fuel. Once the heat soaked fuel is gone (from the firewall forward), the possibility of vapor lock goes way down ...... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:14 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV-List: All Electric RV ? None of the above (or below as the case may be). How much truly "in the solid soup" IFR flying do you really plan to do? How much soup time have you logged in the past 1-2 years? How many of those flights was a MUST scenario and not a MIGHT scenario (where you HAD to be somewhere). Be honest. Unless your engine depends on electrons flowing for the fan to keep turning (i.e. dual electronic ignition without backup such as LASAR or P-Mag), I'm a big proponent of KISS. And that means one battery, one HIGH QUALITY alternator, done deal. Hey, you mentioned the word "opinions" so that's where I'm coming from here. do not archive )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1200 hours) www.rvproject.com www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: RV-List: All Electric RV ? All Electric RV which way to go? I have and all electric panel, so my question is do I install a A. Second Alternator (12 Amp B&C) using existing battery B. Backup battery only with a switch C. Second Alternator and a Backup Battery I am already have been using an Ex-Bus for 4 years, (which has a specific 5 amp circuit for charging a aux battery). My battery is in the tail due to weight and balance. Back up plan also includes a TruTrac ADI with backup battery/GPS, hand held Garmin 195, and a hand held I-Com hand held radio. I do fly IFR. So where I need opinions & experiances on which method do I use ? Who can tell me where to get some wiring diagrams (other than Bob Knuckols) and the parts ? Dane Sheahen N838RV RV8a ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? From: "Brad Templin" I've got one for a DB-25 - you're welcome to if that'll work for you.... I was lucky - I found it in a surplus store. Brad ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Gerry Filby Sent: Mon 2/12/2007 5:35 PM Subject: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? One of these ... http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=6949 Expensive little bu****s ... anyone got one an prepared to lease/loan ? g ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:41 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations Bob, I got another question on this subject. If you now have a purge valve on your engine and eventually get the hot engine started, is it then possible to taxi with the purge valve partially open (& boost pump ON)? Wouldn't this keep your engine happy by circulating this excess cool fuel while at a low powersetting?? If this would work, then don't forget to fully close the P.V. before T.O. though, as it could be disastrous. Always do use a checklist for the runup sequence and make sure the PV is shut off /-fully closed!!! I just wondered... Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Panama To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations I am sorry to get into this dog fight a little late, but, I do not understand. My engine definately is hard to start and hard to keep running at idle during hot weather. I run an IO-360 (180 hp) Bendix FI system. On taxi to and back from the runway on a hot day I get some pretty violent engine surges, settles down with boost pump on. It can take 30-40 revolutions to start the engine. Before I installed the purge valve, one time during a hotstart I had to take the cowl off and wait 90 minutes for engine cool down! I have even been supervised by Don Rivera himself during engine startup. My current solution; don't fly in hot weather If this is not vapor lock, then what is it? . You guys really got me confused Bob I have a problem when, in the absence of any clear data, a malfunction is attributed to 'vapor lock'. I've put up with all the rhetoric for a lot of years running auto fuel ..... in FL, on hot days, with both injected and carb'd engines (yep, run auto fuel through the injected engine too ..... but not near as much as through a carb) with nary a hiccup. Not even any more hard starting problems than using 100LL. I guess the statement 'looked like vapor lock to me' just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry. I really would rather have statements backed up by data or first-person-experience, not (to seal a line from a song) 'I heard it from a friend, who, heard it from a friend, who .... '. The point I tried to make (and failed, I guess) is that all that engine running after startup should have purged any heat-soaked fuel. Once the heat soaked fuel is gone (from the firewall forward), the possibility of vapor lock goes way down ...... ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:51 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations This certainly sounds like it could be vapour lock. What things have you done to the fuel system to try to improve the situation? Kevin Horton On 12 Feb 2007, at 18:44, Panama wrote: > I am sorry to get into this dog fight a little late, but, I do not > understand. My engine definately is hard to start and hard to keep > running at idle during hot weather. I run an IO-360 (180 hp) > Bendix FI system. > > On taxi to and back from the runway on a hot day I get some pretty > violent engine surges, settles down with boost pump on. It can > take 30-40 revolutions to start the engine. Before I installed the > purge valve, one time during a hotstart I had to take the cowl off > and wait 90 minutes for engine cool down! I have even been > supervised by Don Rivera himself during engine startup. My current > solution; don't fly in hot weather > > If this is not vapor lock, then what is it? . > > You guys really got me confused > > Bob > > > I have a problem when, in the absence of any clear data, a > malfunction is attributed to 'vapor lock'. I've put up with all > the rhetoric for a lot of years running auto fuel ..... in FL, on > hot days, with both injected and carb'd engines (yep, run auto fuel > through the injected engine too ..... but not near as much as > through a carb) with nary a hiccup. Not even any more hard > starting problems than using 100LL. I guess the statement 'looked > like vapor lock to me' just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry. I > really would rather have statements backed up by data or first- > person-experience, not (to seal a line from a song) 'I heard it > from a friend, who, heard it from a friend, who .... '. > > The point I tried to make (and failed, I guess) is that all that > engine running after startup should have purged any heat-soaked > fuel. Once the heat soaked fuel is gone (from the firewall > forward), the possibility of vapor lock goes way down ...... > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:22 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? They're scarce. And, as you say, expensive. Best bet (if the metal isn't too thick) is to use a nibbbler tool to make the square opening (measure on the short side) and use a file to get the longer side. You can also use a drill to hog out most of the cutout and go from there. No matter what, it'll be some work ..... but I doubt that you'll be able to make enough DB cutouts to justify the punch. Linn ..... always done it the hard way. Gerry Filby wrote: > One of these ... > > http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=6949 > > Expensive little bu****s ... anyone got one an prepared to lease/loan ? > > g > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:25 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations Panama wrote: > I am sorry to get into this dog fight a little late, but, I do not > understand. My engine definately is hard to start and hard to keep > running at idle during hot weather. I run an IO-360 (180 hp) Bendix > FI system. > > On taxi to and back from the runway on a hot day I get some pretty > violent engine surges, settles down with boost pump on. It can take > 30-40 revolutions to start the engine. Before I installed the purge > valve, one time during a hotstart I had to take the cowl off and wait > 90 minutes for engine cool down! I have even been supervised by Don > Rivera himself during engine startup. My current solution; don't fly > in hot weather > > If this is not vapor lock, then what is it? . I'm going to stick my neck out and say it's a worn out fuel pump ..... or maybe the pump cam on the camshaft. If the engine is running, then there's a constant flow of 'cooler' fuel and it can't absorb enough heat to cause it to vaporize. Take a look at the idle mechanical pump fuel pressure VS. the pressure with the boost pump on. Let us know what you find. Linn do not archive > > You guys really got me confused > > Bob > > > > I have a problem when, in the absence of any clear data, a > malfunction is attributed to 'vapor lock'. I've put up with all > the rhetoric for a lot of years running auto fuel ..... in FL, on > hot days, with both injected and carb'd engines (yep, run auto > fuel through the injected engine too ..... but not near as much as > through a carb) with nary a hiccup. Not even any more hard > starting problems than using 100LL. I guess the statement 'looked > like vapor lock to me' just rubbed me the wrong way. Sorry. I > really would rather have statements backed up by data or > first-person-experience, not (to seal a line from a song) 'I heard > it from a friend, who, heard it from a friend, who .... '. > > The point I tried to make (and failed, I guess) is that all that > engine running after startup should have purged any heat-soaked > fuel. Once the heat soaked fuel is gone (from the firewall > forward), the possibility of vapor lock goes way down ...... > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:28 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: RV-List: Duckworks Light Dimensions I'm looking for a couple of dimensions from the "standard" duckworks landing light kit, and hope someone can help me out. First, what is the overall width of the cutout in the leading edge? Second, what is the overall height of the cutout in the leading edge? (Note, I need the height of the opening in a wing, not the template dimension). Third, I need the height of the aluminum backing plate for the light. You ask why? I'm scouring the web for a cheap HID upgrade that'll fit without too much work. Thanks in advance... Kyle Boatright ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:05 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: RE: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? That price is ridiculous. Use a drill, Dremel and needle file and be done in 15 minutes. That is, unless you need 20+... Bret Smith RV-9A (91314) Mineral Bluff, GA www.FlightInnovations.com _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? One of these ... http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=6949 Expensive little bu****s ... anyone got one an prepared to lease/loan ? g ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:42 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: I've sworn off purge valve installations First you have to consider the brand of injection. Bendix does not need a purge valve(unlike aftermarket brands). I operate my Mooney(200hp IO360) with it in AZ in 110+ temps and rarely have any hot start problems. Yours sounds like it is out of adjustment. Does your pull to idle cutoff give a 50rpm rise, or less? Any more than that is too rich, no rise is too lean. How long since the servo was overhauled or checked on a flow bench? They do need service after several years. Are you giving enough throttle for cranking? I use 1/2" for first try, 1" for second. After about 6 blades I start easing the mixture in slowly, and it usually catches at 1/2 way in on mixture. If that doesn't get it, go full throttle, mixture idle cutoff, which after a dozen blades will have any flooding/vapor cleared if it doesn't catch. Panama wrote: > I am sorry to get into this dog fight a little late, but, I do not > understand. My engine definately is hard to start and hard to keep > running at idle during hot weather. I run an IO-360 (180 hp) Bendix > FI system. > > On taxi to and back from the runway on a hot day I get some pretty > violent engine surges, settles down with boost pump on. It can take > 30-40 revolutions to start the engine. Before I installed the purge > valve, one time during a hotstart I had to take the cowl off and wait > 90 minutes for engine cool down! I have even been supervised by Don > Rivera himself during engine startup. My current solution; don't fly > in hot weather > > If this is not vapor lock, then what is it? . > > You guys really got me confused > > Bob ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:41 PM PST US From: "Gerry Filby" Subject: Re: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? Couldn't agree more - but that's the going rate pretty much everywhere I 've looked. The problem is my panel is already installed and I just don't want metal shavings flying around my instruments. g -----Original Message----- From: Bret Smith [mailto:smithhb@tds.net] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 06:50 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? That price is ridiculous. Use a drill, Dremel and needle file and be done in 15 minutes. That is, unless you need 20+... Bret Smith RV-9A (91314) Mineral Bluff, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? One of these ... http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=6949 Expensive little bu****s ... anyone got one an prepared to lease/loan ? g href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m ======== ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:00 PM PST US From: "Ed Holyoke" Subject: RE: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? McMaster Carr has em for about $180 Ed Holyoke -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? Couldn't agree more - but that's the going rate pretty much everywhere I've looked. The problem is my panel is already installed and I just don't want metal shavings flying around my instruments. g -----Original Message----- From: Bret Smith [mailto:smithhb@tds.net] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 06:50 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Anyone got a DB9 knock-out punch ? That price is ridiculous. Use a drill, Dremel and needle file and be done in 15 minutes. That is, unless you need 20+... 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