---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/22/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:17 AM - Re: Prop Spinner Pattern (rveighta) 2. 10:42 AM - Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Chuck Jensen) 3. 11:06 AM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Konrad L. Werner) 4. 11:13 AM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Bob J.) 5. 11:36 AM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 6. 11:36 AM - Austin-area airport recommendations? (Lawson, Michael) 7. 11:48 AM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Bob) 8. 11:51 AM - Re: XM Sirius (Bill Boyd) 9. 12:43 PM - Re: Austin-area airport recommendations? (Darrell Reiley) 10. 12:46 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (J. R. Dial) 11. 01:00 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Chuck Jensen) 12. 01:42 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Konrad L. Werner) 13. 02:22 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Matt Reeves) 14. 05:36 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Bill Schlatterer) 15. 05:53 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Bobby Hester) 16. 05:55 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (PittsS1@aol.com) 17. 06:06 PM - Re: Austin-area airport recommendations? (Bret Smith) 18. 06:19 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 19. 06:22 PM - Re: Starter: BNC or SkyTec (RV6 Flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:40 AM PST US From: rveighta Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Spinner Pattern Dale, yes, I would appreciate your sending me a copy of the cut out pattern. My fax is inop right now but you can send it to my nextdoor neighbor, Mac McCartan, at (423) 257-6647. Thanks a ton........ Walt Shipley -----Original Message----- >From: Dale Ensing >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 1:08 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Spinner Pattern > > >Walt, >I have a Hartzell HC-C2YK-1BF C/S prop with Van's spinner. Have the spinner >off the prop at this time and can take a picture or draw a pattern for you. >Maybe best would be if I copy the cut out pattern on to paper and fax a >copy to you. If that works for you, send me a fax nbr to my email address >densing@carolina.rr.com >Dale Ensing > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "rveighta" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:07 AM >Subject: RV-List: Prop Spinner Pattern > > >> >> >> I'm getting to the point where I need to cut out the spinner for my >> Hartzell >> C2YK-BF/F7666A-4 Prop. I've never done a cutout before, although this is >> my second RV-8 (My RV-8A spinner was cut out by Craig Catto) and I'm >> hoping that someone has a spinner pattern online or one they can mail me. >> >> The archives showed two folks who provided patterns - Bowhay and Ludvig. >> Of course, Bohay is deceased and I got a message that Ludvig's on line >> pattern is no longer available. >> >> So, anybody out there that can provide this info? It would be greatly >> appreciated. >> >> Walt Shipley >> RV-8A flying RV-8 still workin' >> >> P.S. The prop is a constant speed >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:50 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec From: "Chuck Jensen" What's the current concensus on starters? BNC or SkyTec HTI (hy torque in-line, or some such)? I'm not interested in the PM Skytec but was trying to choose between the non-PM (permanent magnet) starters for an IO-540? Chuck Jensen ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:24 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Go B&C do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Jensen To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec What's the current concensus on starters? BNC or SkyTec HTI (hy torque in-line, or some such)? I'm not interested in the PM Skytec but was trying to choose between the non-PM (permanent magnet) starters for an IO-540? Chuck Jensen ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:18 AM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec The B&C is a Hitachi starter with a different nose piece and pinion gear, so its easy to get parts for it locally if you ever have to rebuild it. It is simpler mechanically compared to the inline sky-tec. The inline sky-tec is a good starter, a friend of mine has one and you never see him do what I call the 'sky-tec dance' where the starter has to be bumped to get over the first compression stroke, as is common with the PM starter-equipped airplanes. I am a proponent of not having a seperate starter contactor, and using only the starter solenoid to engage the starter like every car made in the last 40 years. Yes you do have a fat hot wire all the time but so what, if its supported correctly it is unlikely to ever fail. Less resistance this way, lighter, and less complicated. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 2/22/07, Chuck Jensen wrote: > > > > What's the current concensus on starters? BNC or SkyTec HTI (hy torque > in-line, or some such)? I'm not interested in the PM Skytec but was > trying to choose between the non-PM (permanent magnet) starters for an > IO-540? > > Chuck Jensen > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" I actually returned my Skytec LS PM starter that came with my engine for the newer Skytec NL (hi torque in line) model. Considering that Skytec is now the Lycoming OEM and Skytec's most expensive Lycoming model is about $50 less than B&C's cheapest, it was an easy decision for me. Of course I'm not flying yet but people that are flying it seem to be happy. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec What's the current concensus on starters? BNC or SkyTec HTI (hy torque in-line, or some such)? I'm not interested in the PM Skytec but was trying to choose between the non-PM (permanent magnet) starters for an IO-540? Chuck Jensen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:08 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Austin-area airport recommendations? From: "Lawson, Michael" In the future, I may be doing some long cross-country flights to the north Austin area. Does anyone have specific airport recommendations for the best overall experience? I would be tying-down or hangaring the plane overnight. The airports closest to my destination that I'm considering are: 1. GTU - Georgetown: Looks good, but seems really too busy whenever I'm driving my car nearby. 2. 5R3 - Lago Vista / Rusty Allen: Looks like a nice quiet airport, but maybe there are some unknown gotchas? 3. 3R9 - Lakeway: I understand they can be cranky with fees and operating hour restrictions? Thanks for any advice. Mike Lawson RV-8A 81825 - fuselage on jig (still) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:56 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Recommend B&C. SkyTec never worked for me. Bob ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:56 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RV-List: XM Sirius Point taken. You should see the obstacles my wife faces in her quest to do counseling without a license from the state. Your position doesn't sound like socialism, but libertarianism and anarchy came to mind ;-) The public protection side of licensing and regulagtion is laudable; the closed shop end-result is _sometimes_ wrong, sometimes not; it's never wrong, IMO, to forbid non-certificated bird-men from flying the public around in airliners, or the sale of home-neurosurgery kits. I guess I'm just comfortable with some oligopolies. I'm all for the repeal of the NFA of 1934 so John Q. Public can own machine guns if he wants, but not if he's a felon or adjudged mentally incompetent. Can those restrictions be unfairly applied sometimes? Yes, but it's an imperfect world. Variable mileage happens ;-) -Stormy oh, and do not archive - not even remotely rv related; I'm done. On 2/21/07, Charlie England wrote: > > Bill Boyd wrote: > > > > I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, but I did manage to get an > >> undergraduate degree in Economics a few decades ago. > >> > > Then you'd be just the man to explain how the government interferes > > with the free market for electricians and plumbers in a way that > > compares at all with medicine and utilities. Are you referring to > > Hillary's focus group that's plotting to socialize plumbing and > > require all employers to purchase single-payor septic tank insurance > > for their employees? Yeah, I knew that was it. > > > > Gotta run; Ira Magaziner 's on the other line... wants to know how to > > prevent Tax-free House Wiring Savings Accounts from getting through > > congress ;-) > > > > -Stormy > > > > {I'm really _not_ following you here, Charlie. > > > >>> Plumbers? Electricians? No and no. The law? No, with profanity > >>> withheld.<< > > > > ...but it's not the first time.} > Just about every form of certification & licensing quickly evolves from > 'protecting the public' to protecting the current practitioners from > competition. > > I'm certainly not endorsing Socialism but I'm no fan of government > supported oligopoly either. > > Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:53 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: Austin-area airport recommendations? Michael, I would use the Taylor Airport. Close in to North Austin and Round Rock area, less traffic auto and plane wise, RV's are on the field, small town atmosphere, very... very good AVgas fuel prices and Excellent BBQ!! Darrell --- "Lawson, Michael" wrote: > > > > In the future, I may be doing some long > cross-country flights to the > north Austin area. Does anyone have specific > airport recommendations > for the best overall experience? I would be > tying-down or hangaring the > plane overnight. > > The airports closest to my destination that I'm > considering are: > > 1. GTU - Georgetown: Looks good, but seems really > too busy whenever I'm > driving my car nearby. > 2. 5R3 - Lago Vista / Rusty Allen: Looks like a > nice quiet airport, > but maybe there are some unknown gotchas? > 3. 3R9 - Lakeway: I understand they can be cranky > with fees and > operating hour restrictions? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Mike Lawson > RV-8A 81825 - fuselage on jig (still) > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > Web Forums! > > > > > Darrell Reiley RV7A QB Slider "Reiley Rocket" N622DR Reserved N469RV Reserved CenTex_RV_Aircraft-owner@yahoogroups.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:30 PM PST US From: "J. R. Dial" Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec I have a very poor customer service problem going with Sky-Tec right now and would definitely go with B&C. If you want the details contact me off list or phone. 512-914-6028. If you want a Sky-Tec type starter contact Air-Tec and get the same thing at half the price. www.airtecinc.us Dick Dial N89DD -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Recommend B&C. SkyTec never worked for me. Bob ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec From: "Chuck Jensen" Thanks for all the ideas. I was leaning toward BNC and the comments were enough to tip me over....a few dollars more, but seems to be another example of you-get-what-you-pay-for. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec I have a very poor customer service problem going with Sky-Tec right now and would definitely go with B&C. If you want the details contact me off list or phone. 512-914-6028. If you want a Sky-Tec type starter contact Air-Tec and get the same thing at half the price. www.airtecinc.us Dick Dial N89DD -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Recommend B&C. SkyTec never worked for me. Bob ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:26 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec BTW: The company is called B & C, not BNC. I have never heard a complaint against them, but not so with SkyTec (which may have dealt with their issues by now...). ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Jensen To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Thanks for all the ideas. I was leaning toward BNC and the comments were enough to tip me over....a few dollars more, but seems to be another example of you-get-what-you-pay-for. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:44 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec I have a very poor customer service problem going with Sky-Tec right now and would definitely go with B&C. If you want the details contact me off list or phone. 512-914-6028. If you want a Sky-Tec type starter contact Air-Tec and get the same thing at half the price. www.airtecinc.us Dick Dial N89DD -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:39 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Recommend B&C. SkyTec never worked for me. Bob ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:53 PM PST US From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec My vote is for SkyTec. I had a problem a few years ago with my starter. Rich, the manager, FedEx'd me a new starter the next day - at his expense!!!! And I had no idea how old my starter was as it was on my engine when I bought it. Service like that gets my vote for life. I won't ever look anywhere else, even if I saved weight. New starter is lighter and more reliable than any starter I've ever had in 25 years! SkyTec - you can't go wrong! Matt Chuck Jensen wrote: What's the current concensus on starters? BNC or SkyTec HTI (hy torque in-line, or some such)? I'm not interested in the PM Skytec but was trying to choose between the non-PM (permanent magnet) starters for an IO-540? Chuck Jensen --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:04 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Chuck, don't know but I been told(?) that some of the B&C units leave no clearance to the cowl on some applications. Just told you all I know. Bill S 7a ark engine -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Thanks for all the ideas. I was leaning toward BNC and the comments were enough to tip me over....a few dollars more, but seems to be another example of you-get-what-you-pay-for. Chuck Jensen Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec I have a very poor customer service problem going with Sky-Tec right now and would definitely go with B&C. If you want the details contact me off list or phone. 512-914-6028. If you want a Sky-Tec type starter contact Air-Tec and get the same thing at half the price. www.airtecinc.us Dick Dial N89DD -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Recommend B&C. SkyTec never worked for me. Bob ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:42 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec I've been using my Sky-Tec inline for 3 hrs now and it is working great ;-) Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm Bill Schlatterer wrote: > >Chuck, don't know but I been told(?) that some of the B&C units leave no >clearance to the cowl on some applications. Just told you all I know. > >Bill S >7a ark >engine > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:58 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec > > >Thanks for all the ideas. I was leaning toward BNC and the comments were >enough to tip me over....a few dollars more, but seems to be another example >of you-get-what-you-pay-for. > >Chuck Jensen >Do Not Archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. R. Dial >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:44 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec > > > > I have a very poor customer service problem going with Sky-Tec right >now and would definitely go with B&C. If you want the details contact me off >list or phone. 512-914-6028. > If you want a Sky-Tec type starter contact Air-Tec and get the same >thing at half the price. > www.airtecinc.us > Dick Dial > N89DD > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:39 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec > > >Recommend B&C. SkyTec never worked for me. > >Bob > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:05 PM PST US From: PittsS1@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec just a note ... i have had complete B n C electrical systems on 3 different airplanes. they all have been trouble free. the support bill bainbridge provides is outstanding. i vote for B n C mike


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:46 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: RE: RV-List: Austin-area airport recommendations? Try Spicewood, 88R. It is close to both Lakeway and Lago Vista. Also, there are several RV's there. The airport is daylight use only though. Bret Smith RV-9A (91314) Mineral Bluff, GA www.FlightInnovations.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawson, Michael Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: RV-List: Austin-area airport recommendations? In the future, I may be doing some long cross-country flights to the north Austin area. Does anyone have specific airport recommendations for the best overall experience? I would be tying-down or hangaring the plane overnight. The airports closest to my destination that I'm considering are: 1. GTU - Georgetown: Looks good, but seems really too busy whenever I'm driving my car nearby. 2. 5R3 - Lago Vista / Rusty Allen: Looks like a nice quiet airport, but maybe there are some unknown gotchas? 3. 3R9 - Lakeway: I understand they can be cranky with fees and operating hour restrictions? Thanks for any advice. Mike Lawson RV-8A 81825 - fuselage on jig (still) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:22 PM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec Will the B&C inline clear the FAB air duct on my RV-7A with 200 HP injected angle valve engine? I have the Skytec PM starter now and it has workied fine for over 2 years now except for a whump sometimes. You guys got me worried. Dan Hopper RV-7A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:15 PM PST US From: "RV6 Flyer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Starter: BNC or SkyTec I have been using SkyTec PM starter for the past 10 years. Replaced one solenoid in that time. Service with them has been great. 1,980.4 hobbs hours when I put the airplane away on Saturday. I have a B & C alternator and voltage regulator. Service has been excellent. Both SkyTec and B & C make good starters. You should get good service from both. An old wise man once told me "You only get what you pay for." IMHO. You will not go wrong with either of the two starters on any of the Lycoming engines that RVs use. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,980 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.