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1. 03:19 AM - Glass for IFR (JOHN COLLIER)
2. 08:05 AM - Re: low oil temps (Matt Jurotich)
3. 09:03 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Vanremog@aol.com)
4. 09:45 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Dale Ensing)
5. 09:57 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Konrad L. Werner)
6. 10:15 AM - Re: [unclassified] Re: Oil Cooler Door (Kevin Horton)
7. 10:38 AM - Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (Garry)
8. 10:52 AM - Re: [unclassified] Re: Oil Cooler Door (Vanremog@aol.com)
9. 11:24 AM - NWEAA AWO Crash (Wheeler North)
10. 12:08 PM - Re: NWEAA AWO Crash (Paul Trotter)
11. 12:14 PM - Re: NWEAA AWO Crash (ronlee@pcisys.net)
12. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (ronlee@pcisys.net)
13. 12:29 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (bertrv6@highstream.net)
14. 12:48 PM - Re: Center cabin cover (bertrv6@highstream.net)
15. 01:00 PM - Re: low oil temps (HCRV6@comcast.net)
16. 01:36 PM - Re: Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is ON (Dana Overall)
17. 04:31 PM - Re: NWEAA AWO Crash (Rob Prior)
18. 04:33 PM - Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (Matthew Brandes)
19. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (Garry)
20. 06:20 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Bob J.)
21. 06:42 PM - Re: low oil temps (Bobby Hester)
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Guys and Gals,
I'm starting to plan out my avionics. I'm leaning toward an all glass
panel - IFR legal. I'm considering a couple of Dynon's with backup
batteries. I've brainstormed (to the best of my abilities) all the possible
ways I could get myself into trouble. With backup batteries in each dynon
I'm "relatively" safe from a total electrical failure. Also, if I lose one
EFIS...I'll switch to the other dynon for flight data.
Looking for some advice and recommendations... what I'm I overlooking
or not considering?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: low oil temps |
Hi
Where did you get the 3 inch butterfly valve and do you have a part number?
Thanks in advance
Matthew M. Jurotich
e-mail mail to: <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
phone : 301-286-5919
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil cooler
blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that most attempts to
block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of the cooler exhibited marginal
improvements at best, and those that covered the front of the cooler much more
effective.
========================================
You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The
attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
I would like to know your secret. My oil cooler door is exactly like
yours and I detect very little oil temperature rise when the door is
closed.
Dale Ensing
You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The
attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
Did you seal all the potential leaks with RTV around the fins of the
plates, like GV did?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door
I would like to know your secret. My oil cooler door is exactly like
yours and I detect very little oil temperature rise when the door is
closed.
Dale Ensing
You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so.
The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to
execute.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
On 25 Feb 2007, at 12:00, Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil
> cooler blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that
> most attempts to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of
> the cooler exhibited marginal improvements at best, and those that
> covered the front of the cooler much more effective.
>
> ========================================
>
> You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so.
> The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to
> execute.
>
GV - What is the coldest surface temperature you've flown in and
found that you could keep the oil temperatures up? Some parts of the
world do get quite a bit colder than California.
Kevin Horton
Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing |
Vans has recently offered a nose gear leg to cowl intersection fairing.
I purchased one for my RV 7A and am left scratching my head as to how
this should be installed such that I can still remove the lower cowl.
Has anyone on the list installed one of these, or alternatively have
they built one from scratch? How did you attach this fairing?
Garry Stout
Odessa FL
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
In a message dated 2/25/2007 10:19:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
khorton01@rogers.com writes:
> Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil
> cooler blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that
> most attempts to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of
> the cooler exhibited marginal improvements at best, and those that
> covered the front of the cooler much more effective.
>
> ========================================
>
> You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so.
> The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to
> execute.
>
GV - What is the coldest surface temperature you've flown in and
found that you could keep the oil temperatures up? Some parts of the
world do get quite a bit colder than California.
==============================
Kevin-
What you say is true, however my point is that a rear mounted door can
effectively raise your oil temp about 50 deg F from open to closed. The coolest
air I've flown in at altitude is about -20 deg C.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm?TopicID=4368&Refresh=1#
In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing of teeth
read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik.
;{)
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| Subject: | Re: NWEAA AWO Crash |
Very interesting, especially that Mr. Hedrick is a pilot. Probably does not
fly experimental aircraft though and is therefore not accustomed to taking
responsibility for his own actions. His point that the jury found that
there were 2 distinct events and that the crash did not cause the death
makes an interesting point, one that I'm sure the jury did not come up with
themselves but was suggested to them by Mr. Hedrick. I also expect that he
is trying to set a precedent so that if he does something stupid while
flying, he, or his family, can blame someone else and collect more big
money.
Paul
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wheeler North" <wnorth@sdccd.edu>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: RV-List: NWEAA AWO Crash
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm?TopicID=4368&Refresh=1#
>
> In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing of
> teeth
> read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik.
>
>
> ;{)
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NWEAA AWO Crash |
Nothing obvious to review on that link
Ron Lee
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> http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm?
TopicID=4368&Refresh=1#
>
> In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing of
teeth
> read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing |
> Vans has recently offered a nose gear leg to cowl intersection fairing.
> I purchased one for my RV 7A and am left scratching my head as to how
> this should be installed such that I can still remove the lower cowl.
> Has anyone on the list installed one of these, or alternatively have
Mine is attached with three smallish screws on each side along the main
body and one at the aft
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
Quoting Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com>:
> I would like to know your secret. My oil cooler door is exactly like yours
> and I detect very little oil temperature rise when the door is closed.
> Dale Ensing
>
> You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The
> attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute.
>
Dale:
Common... you logic alone destroys that argument no?
Example, my Carb heat, does not show any drop in rpms, when checking
mags before take off, etc...but I know that when that little door is
closed, the inside temperature of that Carb. area, is going to got up./
That is law of PHysics...
My 2 cents..
Happy flying
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Center cabin cover |
Quoting jlfernan <jlfernan@bellsouth.net>:
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This may sound like newbie questions, but lately simple things seem to get
> complicated. When drilling through the floors stiffners in the the center
> cabin cover(my instructions say 981, plans say 982, typo?) what is the edge
> distance for the hole? Is 5/16ths of an inch OK? And the plans say 15/16th's
> of an inch between the floor skin to the inside surface of the cover. Mine,
> with the cover sitting on the stiffner is 1", am I just lucky or and am I
> reading the plans wrong?
>
> --------
> Jorge Fernandez
> N214JL Reserved
> 9A QB
>
> Jorge : Ifg I uncerstand your questions correctly, if you are talking about
the metal covers for the floors, on front of cabin, you have to be sure the
wholes on the ribs, are center, that is all. If you have Orndorff Videos
he shows hoe to measure from edge to center of each rib...
Hope this help
Humberto
Rv6a
> do not archive
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-879#95879
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: low oil temps |
I have just finished installing Van's oil cooler vent on the front of my baffle
mounted cooler but haven't flown with it yet because of bad weather. I am only
slightly concerned about the amount on airflow that will be blocked in the
fully open position in hot weather. I have been flying in hot weather with a
plate on the back of the cooler with eight 5/8 in. holes in it and have never
seen over 180 deg. F with that set up even with OATs over 115 F., so I am optimistic
that I won't have a problem.
A heads up for those planning to install one of these vents. I discovered that
fins on the front side of my cooler protrude a little ahead of the mounting flanges.
When I first tightened the mounting bolts the vent mechanism locked up
because of this and could not be moved. The simple fix in my case was to put
.032 spacer strips between the cooler mounting flanges and the vent. FWIW.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, O-360, 312 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
>
> My oil temps are running low and I am putting alum. tape on the cooler
> to get them up. I'm thinking about ordering the oil cooler vent from
> Vans. What you you guys doing?
>
> --
> Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my RV7A website:
> http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is ON |
As anyone on this list, and the matronics list, will know by previous
experience, I did not aggressively promote the flyin as much as I have in
the past. I have been extremely busy this tax season and have been
struggling whether to keep the flyin at i39 or moving it about 20 miles away
to DVK. The first two years I was required to park arrivals in the grass
along the taxiway. This year we have had an unusually wet winter which had
turned this parking area even more wet than prior years. The Monday before
the flyin we had snow on the ground with rain expected for two days mid
week. I have to make the call reasonably early in the week to enable pilots
to make their call. Thus, a smaller event this year.
The flyin started for me Friday at 5PM with the arrival of three friends,
Kahuna, Speedy and Dogg at i39. Photo and Mary both had prior commitments
but Ginger was with Dogg. Elaine stayed at the house and watched the whole
ribeye in the smoker and readied the other food and bar. We had a great
dinner with three different local wines.
We then moved to the Black Magic factory where Kahuna made a very astute
observation. I am close enough to have a million little things to do to
finish the airplane.
Up to the great room to watch Photo's presentation of TeamRV's out west trip
two years ago on 72" 1080i..........the DVD is spectacular in and of itself,
on the big screen with surround sound...........well, it was nice. a few
more lies then off to bed all went.
Well the Saturday weather was initially 60 degrees with rain by 4PM. By
Friday it was 45 degrees with rain moving in around midnight. There was a
very strong storm moving from the southwest, as documented by the wind
storms in Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi. The Indy area was also
reporting marginal weather. The Indy crowd is usually a large contingent. We
ended up with a total of 23 RV's and Rockets along with quite a showing of
commercially built. We ended up having coffee, donuts, roasted corn,
hotdogs, chips and Hooters wings. I canceled the Hooter's girls when they
upped the price and knowing what the weather was to be. Anyway we had a
great time. Wizz led a flight of 7 on a multi formation show. Kahuna
reconfigured inflight, as per brief, into a 5 ship. Nice showing guys.
Door prizes were given away from Control Vision, Avery tools and Van's. With
weather moving in, it was get a gift then bug out. I certainly understood.
Now for next year. Up to this point I have been reluctant to move the flyin
due to it's convenience for me. Since Black Magic will be flyin shortly I am
open to moving it to DVK. My thoughts here are with DVK's larger ramp and
dual runways for cross winds, it will be a better environment. Those who
have attended in the past, please send me an email to bo124rs@hotmail.com
Again, thanks to Elaine and all who helped and attended. I had a blast as
always.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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>From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow@hotmail.com>
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is
>ON
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:00:58 -0500
>
>
>What's the weather look like there?
>
>Who's going?
>
>Hasn't been much e-traffic this on The Kickoff ...............
>
>Last 3 years were great!
>
>ERic--
>RV-10 N104EP
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NWEAA AWO Crash |
On 11:22 2007-02-25 Wheeler North <wnorth@sdccd.edu> wrote:
> In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing
> of teeth read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik.
Could we "spin it up" on a law-related forum and not here, please?
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing |
What's the quality of the nose gear fairing? I ordered the main gear
intersection fairings and they were pretty darn poor quality IMHO.
Matthew
RV-9A :: N523RV
www.n523rv.com
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing |
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Brandes
What's the quality of the nose gear fairing? I ordered the main gear
intersection fairings and they were pretty darn poor quality IMHO.
Vans is great with metal, but not so good with fiberglass parts. I'm
sure they "outsource" the fiberglass parts, but the quality control
isn't good. In many cases I think you're better off making your own
molds and doing your own layups rather than use the Vans parts.
Garry Stout
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Door |
Looks like you have some foam rubber on the door and sealed up around it
pretty well... what's the coldest temp you've flown in and what was your oil
temp?
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 2/25/07, Vanremog@aol.com <Vanremog@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil cooler
> blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that most attempts
> to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of the cooler exhibited
> marginal improvements at best, and those that covered the front of the
> cooler much more effective.
>
> ========================================
>
> You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The
> attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute.
>
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> from AOL at *AOL.com*.
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| Subject: | Re: low oil temps |
Does it just bolt between the cooler and the baffle or was there rivets
to drill out? I'm about to order one.
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
>I have just finished installing Van's oil cooler vent on the front of my baffle
mounted cooler but haven't flown with it yet because of bad weather. I am
only slightly concerned about the amount on airflow that will be blocked in the
fully open position in hot weather. I have been flying in hot weather with
a plate on the back of the cooler with eight 5/8 in. holes in it and have never
seen over 180 deg. F with that set up even with OATs over 115 F., so I am optimistic
that I won't have a problem.
>
>A heads up for those planning to install one of these vents. I discovered that
fins on the front side of my cooler protrude a little ahead of the mounting
flanges. When I first tightened the mounting bolts the vent mechanism locked
up because of this and could not be moved. The simple fix in my case was to put
.032 spacer strips between the cooler mounting flanges and the vent. FWIW.
>
>--
>Harry Crosby
>RV-6 N16CX, O-360, 312 hours
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@charter.net>
>
>
>>
>>My oil temps are running low and I am putting alum. tape on the cooler
>>to get them up. I'm thinking about ordering the oil cooler vent from
>>Vans. What you you guys doing?
>>
>>--
>>Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
>>Visit my RV7A website:
>>http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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