---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/25/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Glass for IFR (JOHN COLLIER) 2. 08:05 AM - Re: low oil temps (Matt Jurotich) 3. 09:03 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Vanremog@aol.com) 4. 09:45 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Dale Ensing) 5. 09:57 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Konrad L. Werner) 6. 10:15 AM - Re: [unclassified] Re: Oil Cooler Door (Kevin Horton) 7. 10:38 AM - Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (Garry) 8. 10:52 AM - Re: [unclassified] Re: Oil Cooler Door (Vanremog@aol.com) 9. 11:24 AM - NWEAA AWO Crash (Wheeler North) 10. 12:08 PM - Re: NWEAA AWO Crash (Paul Trotter) 11. 12:14 PM - Re: NWEAA AWO Crash (ronlee@pcisys.net) 12. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (ronlee@pcisys.net) 13. 12:29 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (bertrv6@highstream.net) 14. 12:48 PM - Re: Center cabin cover (bertrv6@highstream.net) 15. 01:00 PM - Re: low oil temps (HCRV6@comcast.net) 16. 01:36 PM - Re: Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is ON (Dana Overall) 17. 04:31 PM - Re: NWEAA AWO Crash (Rob Prior) 18. 04:33 PM - Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (Matthew Brandes) 19. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing (Garry) 20. 06:20 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Door (Bob J.) 21. 06:42 PM - Re: low oil temps (Bobby Hester) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:38 AM PST US From: "JOHN COLLIER" Subject: RV-List: Glass for IFR Guys and Gals, I'm starting to plan out my avionics. I'm leaning toward an all glass panel - IFR legal. I'm considering a couple of Dynon's with backup batteries. I've brainstormed (to the best of my abilities) all the possible ways I could get myself into trouble. With backup batteries in each dynon I'm "relatively" safe from a total electrical failure. Also, if I lose one EFIS...I'll switch to the other dynon for flight data. Looking for some advice and recommendations... what I'm I overlooking or not considering? Thanks John _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:40 AM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: Re: RV-List: low oil temps Hi Where did you get the 3 inch butterfly valve and do you have a part number? Thanks in advance Matthew M. Jurotich e-mail mail to: phone : 301-286-5919 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:42 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil cooler blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that most attempts to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of the cooler exhibited marginal improvements at best, and those that covered the front of the cooler much more effective. ======================================== You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:51 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door I would like to know your secret. My oil cooler door is exactly like yours and I detect very little oil temperature rise when the door is closed. Dale Ensing You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:01 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door Did you seal all the potential leaks with RTV around the fins of the plates, like GV did? do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Ensing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door I would like to know your secret. My oil cooler door is exactly like yours and I detect very little oil temperature rise when the door is closed. Dale Ensing You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:46 AM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: [unclassified] Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door On 25 Feb 2007, at 12:00, Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil > cooler blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that > most attempts to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of > the cooler exhibited marginal improvements at best, and those that > covered the front of the cooler much more effective. > > ======================================== > > You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. > The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to > execute. > GV - What is the coldest surface temperature you've flown in and found that you could keep the oil temperatures up? Some parts of the world do get quite a bit colder than California. Kevin Horton Ottawa, Canada ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:49 AM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: RV-List: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing Vans has recently offered a nose gear leg to cowl intersection fairing. I purchased one for my RV 7A and am left scratching my head as to how this should be installed such that I can still remove the lower cowl. Has anyone on the list installed one of these, or alternatively have they built one from scratch? How did you attach this fairing? Garry Stout Odessa FL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:48 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: [unclassified] Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door In a message dated 2/25/2007 10:19:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, khorton01@rogers.com writes: > Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil > cooler blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that > most attempts to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of > the cooler exhibited marginal improvements at best, and those that > covered the front of the cooler much more effective. > > ======================================== > > You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. > The attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to > execute. > GV - What is the coldest surface temperature you've flown in and found that you could keep the oil temperatures up? Some parts of the world do get quite a bit colder than California. ============================== Kevin- What you say is true, however my point is that a rear mounted door can effectively raise your oil temp about 50 deg F from open to closed. The coolest air I've flown in at altitude is about -20 deg C. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:40 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: NWEAA AWO Crash http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm?TopicID=4368&Refresh=1# In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing of teeth read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik. ;{) do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:19 PM PST US From: Paul Trotter Subject: Re: RV-List: NWEAA AWO Crash Very interesting, especially that Mr. Hedrick is a pilot. Probably does not fly experimental aircraft though and is therefore not accustomed to taking responsibility for his own actions. His point that the jury found that there were 2 distinct events and that the crash did not cause the death makes an interesting point, one that I'm sure the jury did not come up with themselves but was suggested to them by Mr. Hedrick. I also expect that he is trying to set a precedent so that if he does something stupid while flying, he, or his family, can blame someone else and collect more big money. Paul DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wheeler North" Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:22 PM Subject: RV-List: NWEAA AWO Crash > > http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm?TopicID=4368&Refresh=1# > > In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing of > teeth > read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik. > > > ;{) > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:44 PM PST US From: ronlee@pcisys.net Subject: Re: RV-List: NWEAA AWO Crash Nothing obvious to review on that link Ron Lee do not archive > http://www.aero-news.net/Community/DiscussTopic.cfm? TopicID=4368&Refresh=1# > > In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing of teeth > read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik. > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:07 PM PST US From: ronlee@pcisys.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing > Vans has recently offered a nose gear leg to cowl intersection fairing. > I purchased one for my RV 7A and am left scratching my head as to how > this should be installed such that I can still remove the lower cowl. > Has anyone on the list installed one of these, or alternatively have Mine is attached with three smallish screws on each side along the main body and one at the aft end. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:51 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door Quoting Dale Ensing : > I would like to know your secret. My oil cooler door is exactly like yours > and I detect very little oil temperature rise when the door is closed. > Dale Ensing > > You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The > attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute. > Dale: Common... you logic alone destroys that argument no? Example, my Carb heat, does not show any drop in rpms, when checking mags before take off, etc...but I know that when that little door is closed, the inside temperature of that Carb. area, is going to got up./ That is law of PHysics... My 2 cents.. Happy flying Bert rv6a ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:36 PM PST US From: bertrv6@highstream.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Center cabin cover Quoting jlfernan : > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This may sound like newbie questions, but lately simple things seem to get > complicated. When drilling through the floors stiffners in the the center > cabin cover(my instructions say 981, plans say 982, typo?) what is the edge > distance for the hole? Is 5/16ths of an inch OK? And the plans say 15/16th's > of an inch between the floor skin to the inside surface of the cover. Mine, > with the cover sitting on the stiffner is 1", am I just lucky or and am I > reading the plans wrong? > > -------- > Jorge Fernandez > N214JL Reserved > 9A QB > > Jorge : Ifg I uncerstand your questions correctly, if you are talking about the metal covers for the floors, on front of cabin, you have to be sure the wholes on the ribs, are center, that is all. If you have Orndorff Videos he shows hoe to measure from edge to center of each rib... Hope this help Humberto Rv6a > do not archive > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-879#95879 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:41 PM PST US From: HCRV6@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV-List: low oil temps I have just finished installing Van's oil cooler vent on the front of my baffle mounted cooler but haven't flown with it yet because of bad weather. I am only slightly concerned about the amount on airflow that will be blocked in the fully open position in hot weather. I have been flying in hot weather with a plate on the back of the cooler with eight 5/8 in. holes in it and have never seen over 180 deg. F with that set up even with OATs over 115 F., so I am optimistic that I won't have a problem. A heads up for those planning to install one of these vents. I discovered that fins on the front side of my cooler protrude a little ahead of the mounting flanges. When I first tightened the mounting bolts the vent mechanism locked up because of this and could not be moved. The simple fix in my case was to put .032 spacer strips between the cooler mounting flanges and the vent. FWIW. -- Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, O-360, 312 hours -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bobby Hester > > My oil temps are running low and I am putting alum. tape on the cooler > to get them up. I'm thinking about ordering the oil cooler vent from > Vans. What you you guys doing? > > -- > Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my RV7A website: > http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:05 PM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is ON As anyone on this list, and the matronics list, will know by previous experience, I did not aggressively promote the flyin as much as I have in the past. I have been extremely busy this tax season and have been struggling whether to keep the flyin at i39 or moving it about 20 miles away to DVK. The first two years I was required to park arrivals in the grass along the taxiway. This year we have had an unusually wet winter which had turned this parking area even more wet than prior years. The Monday before the flyin we had snow on the ground with rain expected for two days mid week. I have to make the call reasonably early in the week to enable pilots to make their call. Thus, a smaller event this year. The flyin started for me Friday at 5PM with the arrival of three friends, Kahuna, Speedy and Dogg at i39. Photo and Mary both had prior commitments but Ginger was with Dogg. Elaine stayed at the house and watched the whole ribeye in the smoker and readied the other food and bar. We had a great dinner with three different local wines. We then moved to the Black Magic factory where Kahuna made a very astute observation. I am close enough to have a million little things to do to finish the airplane. Up to the great room to watch Photo's presentation of TeamRV's out west trip two years ago on 72" 1080i..........the DVD is spectacular in and of itself, on the big screen with surround sound...........well, it was nice. a few more lies then off to bed all went. Well the Saturday weather was initially 60 degrees with rain by 4PM. By Friday it was 45 degrees with rain moving in around midnight. There was a very strong storm moving from the southwest, as documented by the wind storms in Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi. The Indy area was also reporting marginal weather. The Indy crowd is usually a large contingent. We ended up with a total of 23 RV's and Rockets along with quite a showing of commercially built. We ended up having coffee, donuts, roasted corn, hotdogs, chips and Hooters wings. I canceled the Hooter's girls when they upped the price and knowing what the weather was to be. Anyway we had a great time. Wizz led a flight of 7 on a multi formation show. Kahuna reconfigured inflight, as per brief, into a 5 ship. Nice showing guys. Door prizes were given away from Control Vision, Avery tools and Van's. With weather moving in, it was get a gift then bug out. I certainly understood. Now for next year. Up to this point I have been reluctant to move the flyin due to it's convenience for me. Since Black Magic will be flyin shortly I am open to moving it to DVK. My thoughts here are with DVK's larger ramp and dual runways for cross winds, it will be a better environment. Those who have attended in the past, please send me an email to bo124rs@hotmail.com Again, thanks to Elaine and all who helped and attended. I had a blast as always. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Eric Parlow" >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Weather? for- i39, Richmond Madison Flyin Feb. 24th. is >ON >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:00:58 -0500 > > >What's the weather look like there? > >Who's going? > >Hasn't been much e-traffic this on The Kickoff ............... > >Last 3 years were great! > >ERic-- >RV-10 N104EP > > _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:51 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior" Subject: Re: RV-List: NWEAA AWO Crash On 11:22 2007-02-25 Wheeler North wrote: > In yet another subtle effort to spin it up and cause great gnashing > of teeth read the fifth post by Robert Hendrik. Could we "spin it up" on a law-related forum and not here, please? -Rob do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:44 PM PST US From: "Matthew Brandes" Subject: RV-List: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing What's the quality of the nose gear fairing? I ordered the main gear intersection fairings and they were pretty darn poor quality IMHO. Matthew RV-9A :: N523RV www.n523rv.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:14 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Nose Gear Intersection Leg Fairing ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Brandes What's the quality of the nose gear fairing? I ordered the main gear intersection fairings and they were pretty darn poor quality IMHO. Vans is great with metal, but not so good with fiberglass parts. I'm sure they "outsource" the fiberglass parts, but the quality control isn't good. In many cases I think you're better off making your own molds and doing your own layups rather than use the Vans parts. Garry Stout ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:05 PM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Door Looks like you have some foam rubber on the door and sealed up around it pretty well... what's the coldest temp you've flown in and what was your oil temp? Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 2/25/07, Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > > Over the years there has been much discussion here regarding oil cooler > blocking to elevate oil temps in cold climes. It seems that most attempts > to block off a baffle-mounted cooler at the rear of the cooler exhibited > marginal improvements at best, and those that covered the front of the > cooler much more effective. > > ======================================== > > You know I've heard this argument for years and it just isn't so. The > attached photo shows one that works quite well and is simple to execute. > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > > ------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com*. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:25 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: low oil temps Does it just bolt between the cooler and the baffle or was there rivets to drill out? I'm about to order one. Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > >I have just finished installing Van's oil cooler vent on the front of my baffle mounted cooler but haven't flown with it yet because of bad weather. I am only slightly concerned about the amount on airflow that will be blocked in the fully open position in hot weather. I have been flying in hot weather with a plate on the back of the cooler with eight 5/8 in. holes in it and have never seen over 180 deg. F with that set up even with OATs over 115 F., so I am optimistic that I won't have a problem. > >A heads up for those planning to install one of these vents. I discovered that fins on the front side of my cooler protrude a little ahead of the mounting flanges. When I first tightened the mounting bolts the vent mechanism locked up because of this and could not be moved. The simple fix in my case was to put .032 spacer strips between the cooler mounting flanges and the vent. FWIW. > >-- >Harry Crosby >RV-6 N16CX, O-360, 312 hours > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Bobby Hester > > >> >>My oil temps are running low and I am putting alum. tape on the cooler >>to get them up. I'm thinking about ordering the oil cooler vent from >>Vans. What you you guys doing? >> >>-- >>Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY >>Visit my RV7A website: >>http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.