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1. 02:39 AM - Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Paul Besing)
2. 04:02 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Doug Gray)
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Dana Overall)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Spare Parts List (Rick Galati)
5. 05:06 AM - Re: Headset rant! (Dale Ensing)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Spare Parts List (Sam Buchanan)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Spare Parts List (ronlee@pcisys.net)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Spare Parts List (Dave Cudney)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Terry Watson)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Rob Prior)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Bob J.)
12. 11:35 AM - Spare Parts (Wheeler North)
13. 12:42 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Brian Meyette)
14. 01:03 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
15. 01:52 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Rob Prior)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Brian Meyette)
17. 08:31 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (glaesers)
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
I have both the QC2 and the Bose X. I have not flown in an RV with my QC2 (I'm
kind of separated from my RV-4 right now) but I can tell you that the ANR is
not the same as the Bose X. Maybe it's the quality of the cups themselves, but
the amount of noise it cancels is not near what the Bose X can do. It's great
for riding on commercial flights, but just from wearing them and listening
to how much they cancel out, it's not the same.
Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to find a cheap
way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful clamping DC's from 1983,
wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably the single most important piece of
flying gear. It's comfort, it's hearing, it's, communication. If one were
spending 60-80K on building an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems
cheap to me.
I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people
who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the
grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing
for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when
in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets
with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this).
So to me, it's not worth the searching, the upgrades, the sending out of headsets,
the conversations, etc. Simply buy a Bose X and forget about it. I bought
my first pair 5 years ago, still going strong after 1000 hours of flight time.
Now my back seater has them too.
Paul Besing
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Subject: | Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
Paul,
I agree.
Buying the Bose X only hurts once!
Doug
On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 02:37 -0800, Paul Besing wrote:
> I have both the QC2 and the Bose X. I have not flown in an RV with my
> QC2 (I'm kind of separated from my RV-4 right now) but I can tell you
> that the ANR is not the same as the Bose X. Maybe it's the quality of
> the cups themselves, but the amount of noise it cancels is not near
> what the Bose X can do. It's great for riding on commercial flights,
> but just from wearing them and listening to how much they cancel out,
> it's not the same.
>
> Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to
> find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful
> clamping DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably
> the single most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's
> hearing, it's, communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building
> an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me.
>
> I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that
> many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in
> the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget
> in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights,
> and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet
> the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them
> because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this).
>
> So to me, it's not worth the searching, the upgrades, the sending out
> of headsets, the conversations, etc. Simply buy a Bose X and forget
> about it. I bought my first pair 5 years ago, still going strong
> after 1000 hours of flight time. Now my back seater has them too.
>
> Paul Besing
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
>From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
> Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to
>find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful clamping
>DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc.
Well Paul, I guess I amaze you:-) I truly like my original DC's from 1988
that I rewired.
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Subject: | Re: Spare Parts List |
Without knowing what type of fasteners the original builder used to assemble his
RV, it is difficult suggest specific hardware items to keep on hand. For instance,
are the wingtips, cowling, and fairings installed with screws? If so,
identify the type used and keep a small stash handy. Anytime a screw gets even
slightly worn on my RV, I just throw it away and install a new one. An on-board
emergency tool kit can be as spartan or as extensive as your imagination
permits. You might want to consider keeping a spare fuel cap on board. You never
know when a refueling event at some distant airport will result in a failed
cap, and finding a local replacement can be problematic. Of course, duct tape
is always handy to keep on board and can even be pressed into service as an
instant fuel cap if need be. Enjoy your RV. Although you do not possess its
unique Repairman's Certificate, you do enjoy a great deal of leeway in maintaining
it.
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Subject: | Re: Headset rant! |
I would like to respectfully add an opposing view to Paul's position on
the headset dicussion.
I have three DC sets that I had converted to stereo with upgraded
speakers before I built my RV-6A. I also replaced the DC ear cups with
Oregon Aero cups with cloth covers. No ANR.
For the type of flying I do with the RV, which is rarely over two hours
duration, the headsets are fine. I personally see no reason for
spending the money for something like the Bose X. If I ever get to make
my RV dream trip to Alaska, which would require many hours wearing a
headset, I may rationalize the need for spending the big bucks. I do
have an ANR set for the long commercial airline flights.
Dale Ensing
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Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to
find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful clamping
DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably the single
most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's hearing, it's,
communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building an airplane, a
$1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me.
Paul Besing
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Subject: | Re: Spare Parts List |
Rick Galati wrote:
> Without knowing what type of fasteners the original builder used to
> assemble his RV, it is difficult suggest specific hardware items to
> keep on hand. For instance, are the wingtips, cowling, and fairings
> installed with screws? If so, identify the type used and keep a
> small stash handy. Anytime a screw gets even slightly worn on my RV,
> I just throw it away and install a new one. An on-board emergency
> tool kit can be as spartan or as extensive as your imagination
> permits. You might want to consider keeping a spare fuel cap on
> board. You never know when a refueling event at some distant airport
> will result in a failed cap, and finding a local replacement can be
> problematic. Of course, duct tape is always handy to keep on board
> and can even be pressed into service as an instant fuel cap if need
> be. Enjoy your RV. Although you do not possess its unique
> Repairman's Certificate, you do enjoy a great deal of leeway in
> maintaining it.
Another item I would add to the flight bag is either a spare fuel sump
value or a 1/8" NPT plug. I've had a sump valve o-ring go bad a couple
of times and needed to make a quick swap. You can easily change out the
valve with either the spare or the plug and lose very little fuel in the
process.
Also found in my kit is a 6" length of 1/16" stainless welding rod from
which a new pin can be quickly made for a fuel cap. And be sure you fly
with a spare nose wheel tube or tailwheel chain link, whichever the case
may be.
Sam Buchanan
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Subject: | Re: Spare Parts List |
In assition to the hardware mentioned, I include main and nose
tires/tubes, fuel cap, duct tape, tools needed to remove nose
wheel fairing (hex wrench), valve stem removal tool and extra
valve stems (the insert thingies), plus other stuff I would
have to check.
I have used the spare cap away from home.
I have given a nose wheel tire and tube to my hangar mate
away from home.
Sam. thanks for the idea about the wing sump fitting. I will
add that and an O-ring.
Obviously you need basic tools.
I will also be carrying an extra voltage regulator since I have
converted to a plug and replace connector.
Ron
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Subject: | Re: Spare Parts List |
Don't 4-get a spare spark plug and wrench.
On Mar 6, 2007, at 5:36 AM, Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Rick Galati wrote:
>
>> Without knowing what type of fasteners the original builder used to
>> assemble his RV, it is difficult suggest specific hardware items to
>> keep on hand. For instance, are the wingtips, cowling, and fairings
>> installed with screws? If so, identify the type used and keep a
>> small stash handy. Anytime a screw gets even slightly worn on my RV,
>> I just throw it away and install a new one. An on-board emergency
>> tool kit can be as spartan or as extensive as your imagination
>> permits. You might want to consider keeping a spare fuel cap on
>> board. You never know when a refueling event at some distant airport
>> will result in a failed cap, and finding a local replacement can be
>> problematic. Of course, duct tape is always handy to keep on board
>> and can even be pressed into service as an instant fuel cap if need
>> be. Enjoy your RV. Although you do not possess its unique
>> Repairman's Certificate, you do enjoy a great deal of leeway in
>> maintaining it.
>>
>
> Another item I would add to the flight bag is either a spare fuel
> sump value or a 1/8" NPT plug. I've had a sump valve o-ring go bad
> a couple of times and needed to make a quick swap. You can easily
> change out the valve with either the spare or the plug and lose
> very little fuel in the process.
>
> Also found in my kit is a 6" length of 1/16" stainless welding rod
> from which a new pin can be quickly made for a fuel cap. And be
> sure you fly with a spare nose wheel tube or tailwheel chain link,
> whichever the case may be.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally
better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own.
Terry
I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many
people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket
in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that
does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look
at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of
Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes,
I've seen this).
Paul Besing
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Subject: | Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
On 2:37 2007-03-06 Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue
> to find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful
> clamping DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably the
> single most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's
> hearing, it's, communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building
> an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me.
I hear what you're saying Paul, but here's what it boils down to for me:
My David Clarks are comfortable. I have a pair of 10-13.4's that have
served me well for 7 years. They've never been uncomfortable, and I have a
head that, to be nice to myself, "is of above average size." For that
headset, I paid less than 1/3 the cost of a Bose X.
Your comparison to spending 60-80K on building an airplane is extremely
poor. By building an RV, i'm spending 60-80K on building an airplane that
when finished will be worth more than that (how much more remains to be
seen). By buying a Bose X, I would be spending $1K on a headset that might
cost $200 to make in a Chinese factory.
If we used the argument that "$X is cheap, when you're spending $60K to
build your airplane", it wouldn't take long before it was costing $100K to
build your airplane.
-Rob
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Subject: | Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't
like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there
is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in
each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but
they are pricey too.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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On 3/6/07, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com> wrote:
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> And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally
> better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own.
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> I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many
> people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket
> in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that
> does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look
> at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of
> Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes,
> I've seen this).
>
>
> Paul Besing
>
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Well,
I have a bag of crap on the tool kit, but I have no idea what I put in
there????
Cotter pins for a few things like axles
Zip ties, various sizes
Safety wire, several sizes
300-kt tape, silver, red might be better though as it could be used for
emergency lettering
Various wire terminals
Spare fuses and bulbs for the few things that have them
1 set of brake pads and rivets
2 spark plugs
Possibly some misc AN hardware bolt, however if I break anything along these
lines the odds are fairly low that having an extra will be all that is
needed.
Some various screws and stuff for missing cowl/fairing screws.
Spare key for ign and fuel caps
Brake M/C overhaul kit (spring and orings)
Spare fuel cap pins and oring, although I don't have those kind of caps
anymore??? I guess I should work on that.
Tire valve stem valve and extra cap
Extra anywheremap/compaq connector - they break easily
Probably a few other things I can't think of right now.
W
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones. I put
them in & cant even feel that I have anything on
brian
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant!
Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't
like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there
is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in
each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but
they are pricey too.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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On 3/6/07, Terry Watson < terry@tcwatson.com <mailto:terry@tcwatson.com> >
wrote:
And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally
better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own.
Terry
I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many
people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket
in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that
does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look
at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of
Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes,
I've seen this).
Paul Besing
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
have you taken any 3 + 3 hour trips in one day (ie, long cross country for 6 hours
or more)?
How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs and can you
find them cheaply locally?
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You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones. I put them
in & cant even feel that I have anything on
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant!
Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like
them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no
passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my
Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey
too.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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On 3/6/07, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com > wrote:
And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally better
than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own.
Terry
I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people
who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the
grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing
for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when
in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets
with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this).
Paul Besing
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might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>I put them in & cant even feel that I have
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bob J.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> rv-list@matronics.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant!</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Exactly. I've
borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like them.
The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no passive
attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my Peltor's.
I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey
too. <BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Bob Japundza<BR>RV-6 flying F1 under const<BR>do
not archive</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">On 3/6/07, <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Terry Watson</SPAN></B> <<A href="mailto:terry@tcwatson.com">terry@tcwatson.com </A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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marginally better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To
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the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who
build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand
scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing
for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in
actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets
with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this).
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
On 13:02 2007-03-06 luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) wrote:
> have you taken any 3 + 3 hour trips in one day (ie, long cross
> country for 6 hours or more)?
>
> How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs
> and can you find them cheaply locally?
If they're anything like my custom silicone earplugs, they're easy to keep
clean. Soap and water washes the plug portion and they're good as new.
I've worn my silicone ones for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight, and they
were comfortable and noise-attenuating all the way.
-Rob
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Subject: | Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
No I have not. However, I have a David Clarke set, with every available
comfort option, and they bother me after less than an hour. Ive worn these
Clarity Aloft for a couple hours, with no discernable discomfort at all.
I keep the set, and packs of spare plugs, in the canvas case that came with
the set
As mfg suggests, I change them when they look grungy and I feel like it.
Its more of a personal taste thing as to when you no longer feel like
putting them in your ears. I dont spend more than a few dollars a year
on plugs, though
I have not tried to find them locally I doubt theyd be available, as you
need the plastic screw-in insert.
brian
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of lucky
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant!
have you taken any 3 + 3 hour trips in one day (ie, long cross country for 6
hours or more)?
How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs and can
you find them cheaply locally?
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From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2@starband.net>
You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones. I put
them in & cant even feel that I have anything on
brian
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant!
Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't
like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there
is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in
each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but
they are pricey too.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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On 3/6/07, Terry Watson < terry@tcwatson.com <mailto:terry@tcwatson.com> >
wrote:
And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally
better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own.
Terry
I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many
people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket
in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that
does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look
at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of
Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes,
I've seen this).
Paul Besing
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Subject: | RE: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! |
I've modified a Plantronics Star headset to use earplugs, similar to the
Clarity Aloft, using a tubing 'Y' and poking holes in foam earplugs with a
hot wire and sliding them over plastic tubing running to each ear.
I've found a type of earplug that is both comfortable and reduce noise by a
reported 33db - Max 200-1 (they are red and have sort of a bell shape). I
can wear them for hours in total comfort - don't even notice that I have
them in.
You can make your own replacement earplugs for the Clarity Aloft the same
way. I use a coat hanger wire heated with a propane torch to poke the
holes. I've made some replacement plugs for my son's Clarity Aloft. I just
stripped off the CA foam plug and slid on the new ones.
I wear the same foam plugs when riveting. Far more effective than any
earmuff type of protection.
Dennis Glaeser
RV7A - Finishing
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