---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/06/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:39 AM - Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Paul Besing) 2. 04:02 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Doug Gray) 3. 04:35 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Dana Overall) 4. 04:41 AM - Re: Spare Parts List (Rick Galati) 5. 05:06 AM - Re: Headset rant! (Dale Ensing) 6. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Spare Parts List (Sam Buchanan) 7. 06:57 AM - Re: Spare Parts List (ronlee@pcisys.net) 8. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Spare Parts List (Dave Cudney) 9. 09:11 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Terry Watson) 10. 09:41 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Rob Prior) 11. 10:24 AM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Bob J.) 12. 11:35 AM - Spare Parts (Wheeler North) 13. 12:42 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Brian Meyette) 14. 01:03 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky)) 15. 01:52 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Rob Prior) 16. 01:52 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (Brian Meyette) 17. 08:31 PM - Re: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! (glaesers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:01 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! I have both the QC2 and the Bose X. I have not flown in an RV with my QC2 (I'm kind of separated from my RV-4 right now) but I can tell you that the ANR is not the same as the Bose X. Maybe it's the quality of the cups themselves, but the amount of noise it cancels is not near what the Bose X can do. It's great for riding on commercial flights, but just from wearing them and listening to how much they cancel out, it's not the same. Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful clamping DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably the single most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's hearing, it's, communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me. I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this). So to me, it's not worth the searching, the upgrades, the sending out of headsets, the conversations, etc. Simply buy a Bose X and forget about it. I bought my first pair 5 years ago, still going strong after 1000 hours of flight time. Now my back seater has them too. Paul Besing do not archive --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! From: Doug Gray Paul, I agree. Buying the Bose X only hurts once! Doug On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 02:37 -0800, Paul Besing wrote: > I have both the QC2 and the Bose X. I have not flown in an RV with my > QC2 (I'm kind of separated from my RV-4 right now) but I can tell you > that the ANR is not the same as the Bose X. Maybe it's the quality of > the cups themselves, but the amount of noise it cancels is not near > what the Bose X can do. It's great for riding on commercial flights, > but just from wearing them and listening to how much they cancel out, > it's not the same. > > Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to > find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful > clamping DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably > the single most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's > hearing, it's, communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building > an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me. > > I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that > many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in > the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget > in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, > and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet > the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them > because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this). > > So to me, it's not worth the searching, the upgrades, the sending out > of headsets, the conversations, etc. Simply buy a Bose X and forget > about it. I bought my first pair 5 years ago, still going strong > after 1000 hours of flight time. Now my back seater has them too. > > Paul Besing > do not archive > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! Answers. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:16 AM PST US From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! >From: Paul Besing > Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to >find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful clamping >DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. Well Paul, I guess I amaze you:-) I truly like my original DC's from 1988 that I rewired. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:43 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: Spare Parts List Without knowing what type of fasteners the original builder used to assemble his RV, it is difficult suggest specific hardware items to keep on hand. For instance, are the wingtips, cowling, and fairings installed with screws? If so, identify the type used and keep a small stash handy. Anytime a screw gets even slightly worn on my RV, I just throw it away and install a new one. An on-board emergency tool kit can be as spartan or as extensive as your imagination permits. You might want to consider keeping a spare fuel cap on board. You never know when a refueling event at some distant airport will result in a failed cap, and finding a local replacement can be problematic. Of course, duct tape is always handy to keep on board and can even be pressed into service as an instant fuel cap if need be. Enjoy your RV. Although you do not possess its unique Repairman's Certificate, you do enjoy a great deal of leeway in maintaining it. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:33 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: RV-List: Re: Headset rant! I would like to respectfully add an opposing view to Paul's position on the headset dicussion. I have three DC sets that I had converted to stereo with upgraded speakers before I built my RV-6A. I also replaced the DC ear cups with Oregon Aero cups with cloth covers. No ANR. For the type of flying I do with the RV, which is rarely over two hours duration, the headsets are fine. I personally see no reason for spending the money for something like the Bose X. If I ever get to make my RV dream trip to Alaska, which would require many hours wearing a headset, I may rationalize the need for spending the big bucks. I do have an ANR set for the long commercial airline flights. Dale Ensing do not archive Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue to find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful clamping DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably the single most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's hearing, it's, communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me. Paul Besing do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:04 AM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Spare Parts List Rick Galati wrote: > Without knowing what type of fasteners the original builder used to > assemble his RV, it is difficult suggest specific hardware items to > keep on hand. For instance, are the wingtips, cowling, and fairings > installed with screws? If so, identify the type used and keep a > small stash handy. Anytime a screw gets even slightly worn on my RV, > I just throw it away and install a new one. An on-board emergency > tool kit can be as spartan or as extensive as your imagination > permits. You might want to consider keeping a spare fuel cap on > board. You never know when a refueling event at some distant airport > will result in a failed cap, and finding a local replacement can be > problematic. Of course, duct tape is always handy to keep on board > and can even be pressed into service as an instant fuel cap if need > be. Enjoy your RV. Although you do not possess its unique > Repairman's Certificate, you do enjoy a great deal of leeway in > maintaining it. Another item I would add to the flight bag is either a spare fuel sump value or a 1/8" NPT plug. I've had a sump valve o-ring go bad a couple of times and needed to make a quick swap. You can easily change out the valve with either the spare or the plug and lose very little fuel in the process. Also found in my kit is a 6" length of 1/16" stainless welding rod from which a new pin can be quickly made for a fuel cap. And be sure you fly with a spare nose wheel tube or tailwheel chain link, whichever the case may be. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:43 AM PST US From: ronlee@pcisys.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Spare Parts List In assition to the hardware mentioned, I include main and nose tires/tubes, fuel cap, duct tape, tools needed to remove nose wheel fairing (hex wrench), valve stem removal tool and extra valve stems (the insert thingies), plus other stuff I would have to check. I have used the spare cap away from home. I have given a nose wheel tire and tube to my hangar mate away from home. Sam. thanks for the idea about the wing sump fitting. I will add that and an O-ring. Obviously you need basic tools. I will also be carrying an extra voltage regulator since I have converted to a plug and replace connector. Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:50 AM PST US From: Dave Cudney Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Spare Parts List Don't 4-get a spare spark plug and wrench. On Mar 6, 2007, at 5:36 AM, Sam Buchanan wrote: > > Rick Galati wrote: > >> Without knowing what type of fasteners the original builder used to >> assemble his RV, it is difficult suggest specific hardware items to >> keep on hand. For instance, are the wingtips, cowling, and fairings >> installed with screws? If so, identify the type used and keep a >> small stash handy. Anytime a screw gets even slightly worn on my RV, >> I just throw it away and install a new one. An on-board emergency >> tool kit can be as spartan or as extensive as your imagination >> permits. You might want to consider keeping a spare fuel cap on >> board. You never know when a refueling event at some distant airport >> will result in a failed cap, and finding a local replacement can be >> problematic. Of course, duct tape is always handy to keep on board >> and can even be pressed into service as an instant fuel cap if need >> be. Enjoy your RV. Although you do not possess its unique >> Repairman's Certificate, you do enjoy a great deal of leeway in >> maintaining it. >> > > Another item I would add to the flight bag is either a spare fuel > sump value or a 1/8" NPT plug. I've had a sump valve o-ring go bad > a couple of times and needed to make a quick swap. You can easily > change out the valve with either the spare or the plug and lose > very little fuel in the process. > > Also found in my kit is a 6" length of 1/16" stainless welding rod > from which a new pin can be quickly made for a fuel cap. And be > sure you fly with a spare nose wheel tube or tailwheel chain link, > whichever the case may be. > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:29 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own. Terry I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this). Paul Besing do not archive _____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:33 AM PST US From: "Rob Prior" Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! On 2:37 2007-03-06 Paul Besing wrote: > Now for my personal rant, it's amazing to me that people continue > to find a cheap way around headsets. Upgrading a pair of painful > clamping DC's from 1983, wiring your own, etc, etc. It is probably the > single most important piece of flying gear. It's comfort, it's > hearing, it's, communication. If one were spending 60-80K on building > an airplane, a $1,000 purchase for headsets seems cheap to me. I hear what you're saying Paul, but here's what it boils down to for me: My David Clarks are comfortable. I have a pair of 10-13.4's that have served me well for 7 years. They've never been uncomfortable, and I have a head that, to be nice to myself, "is of above average size." For that headset, I paid less than 1/3 the cost of a Bose X. Your comparison to spending 60-80K on building an airplane is extremely poor. By building an RV, i'm spending 60-80K on building an airplane that when finished will be worth more than that (how much more remains to be seen). By buying a Bose X, I would be spending $1K on a headset that might cost $200 to make in a Chinese factory. If we used the argument that "$X is cheap, when you're spending $60K to build your airplane", it wouldn't take long before it was costing $100K to build your airplane. -Rob ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:59 AM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey too. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const do not archive On 3/6/07, Terry Watson wrote: > > And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally > better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own. > > > Terry > > > I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many > people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket > in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that > does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look > at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of > Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, > I've seen this). > > > Paul Besing > > do not archive > > > ------------------------------ > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your > question on Yahoo! Answers. > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:58 AM PST US From: Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: Spare Parts Well, I have a bag of crap on the tool kit, but I have no idea what I put in there???? Cotter pins for a few things like axles Zip ties, various sizes Safety wire, several sizes 300-kt tape, silver, red might be better though as it could be used for emergency lettering Various wire terminals Spare fuses and bulbs for the few things that have them 1 set of brake pads and rivets 2 spark plugs Possibly some misc AN hardware bolt, however if I break anything along these lines the odds are fairly low that having an extra will be all that is needed. Some various screws and stuff for missing cowl/fairing screws. Spare key for ign and fuel caps Brake M/C overhaul kit (spring and orings) Spare fuel cap pins and oring, although I don't have those kind of caps anymore??? I guess I should work on that. Tire valve stem valve and extra cap Extra anywheremap/compaq connector - they break easily Probably a few other things I can't think of right now. W ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:18 PM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones. I put them in & cant even feel that I have anything on brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J. Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey too. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const do not archive On 3/6/07, Terry Watson < terry@tcwatson.com > wrote: And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own. Terry I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this). Paul Besing do not archive _____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers . -- 9:41 AM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:15 PM PST US From: luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! have you taken any 3 + 3 hour trips in one day (ie, long cross country for 6 hours or more)? How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs and can you find them cheaply locally? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Brian Meyette" You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones. I put them in & cant even feel that I have anything on brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J. Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey too. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const do not archive On 3/6/07, Terry Watson wrote: And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own. Terry I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this). Paul Besing do not archive Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. - The RV-List Email Forum -
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How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs and can you find them cheaply locally?
 
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You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones.  I put them in & cant even feel that I have anything on

brian

 

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Exactly.  I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like them.  The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no passive attenuation.  With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my Peltor's.  I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey too. 

Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const
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On 3/6/07, Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com > wrote:

And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own.

 

Terry

 

 

 

 

I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.  Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often.  (Yes, I've seen this). 

 

Paul Besing

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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:01 PM PST US From: "Rob Prior" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! On 13:02 2007-03-06 luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky) wrote: > have you taken any 3 + 3 hour trips in one day (ie, long cross > country for 6 hours or more)? > > How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs > and can you find them cheaply locally? If they're anything like my custom silicone earplugs, they're easy to keep clean. Soap and water washes the plug portion and they're good as new. I've worn my silicone ones for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight, and they were comfortable and noise-attenuating all the way. -Rob ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:01 PM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! No I have not. However, I have a David Clarke set, with every available comfort option, and they bother me after less than an hour. Ive worn these Clarity Aloft for a couple hours, with no discernable discomfort at all. I keep the set, and packs of spare plugs, in the canvas case that came with the set As mfg suggests, I change them when they look grungy and I feel like it. Its more of a personal taste thing as to when you no longer feel like putting them in your ears. I dont spend more than a few dollars a year on plugs, though I have not tried to find them locally I doubt theyd be available, as you need the plastic screw-in insert. brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of lucky Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! have you taken any 3 + 3 hour trips in one day (ie, long cross country for 6 hours or more)? How do you keep the plugs sanitary and how often do you change plugs and can you find them cheaply locally? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Brian Meyette" You might want to consider in-the-ear ones like Clarity Aloft ones. I put them in & cant even feel that I have anything on brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob J. Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! Exactly. I've borrowed the Bose X's and gone on a trip with them, I didn't like them. The earcups are small and put pressure on your ears, and there is no passive attenuation. With the ANR conversions I have about $300 in each of my Peltor's. I'd love to try the newer in-the-ear headsets, but they are pricey too. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const do not archive On 3/6/07, Terry Watson < terry@tcwatson.com > wrote: And I always thought spending a thousand dollars for a headset marginally better than one for half the price was for bragging rights! To each his own. Terry I'm in the military, and certainly do not make the kind of money that many people who build airplanes make, yet for ME, $1,000 is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. Others want a neat gadget in the panel that does nothing for them other than bragging rights, and something cool to look at (when in actuality is not necessary) yet the'll have a cheap pair of Lightspeed headsets with tape on them because they break so often. (Yes, I've seen this). Paul Besing do not archive _____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers . - The RV-List Email Forum - -- 9:41 AM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:52 PM PST US From: "glaesers" Subject: RV-List: RE: Bose X, QC2, and Headset rant! I've modified a Plantronics Star headset to use earplugs, similar to the Clarity Aloft, using a tubing 'Y' and poking holes in foam earplugs with a hot wire and sliding them over plastic tubing running to each ear. I've found a type of earplug that is both comfortable and reduce noise by a reported 33db - Max 200-1 (they are red and have sort of a bell shape). I can wear them for hours in total comfort - don't even notice that I have them in. You can make your own replacement earplugs for the Clarity Aloft the same way. I use a coat hanger wire heated with a propane torch to poke the holes. I've made some replacement plugs for my son's Clarity Aloft. I just stripped off the CA foam plug and slid on the new ones. I wear the same foam plugs when riveting. Far more effective than any earmuff type of protection. 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