---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/11/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:18 AM - Re: RV3B For Sale (RAS) 2. 07:22 AM - Autopilot wing rocking (Grenwis@aol.com) 3. 10:14 AM - Re: Autopilot wing rocking (Hopperdhh@aol.com) 4. 10:24 AM - RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (John Fasching) 5. 11:50 AM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (Steve Allison) 6. 01:24 PM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (John Fasching) 7. 03:56 PM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (Ralph E. Capen) 8. 04:36 PM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (John Fasching) 9. 04:47 PM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (Steve Allison) 10. 05:05 PM - Langley Fly-in June 23 (Tedd McHenry) 11. 05:13 PM - Full face mask for painting (David Burton) 12. 06:47 PM - Re: Langley Fly-in June 23 (ronlee@pcisys.net) 13. 07:22 PM - Re: Full face mask for painting (Vanremog@aol.com) 14. 08:21 PM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (Gerald Richardson) 15. 08:35 PM - Re: Glass for IFR (B25Flyer) 16. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: Glass for IFR (Greg Williams) 17. 11:22 PM - Re: Langley Fly-in June 23 (Terry Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:00 AM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV3B For Sale Hi Rick, what is the empty weight of your Rv3? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Fogerson To: rv3-list@matronics.com ; RV List Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: RV-List: RV3B For Sale 789RV is for sale. I have $52K and 6700 hours invested and have reduced the price to $43K. Details and pictures can be seen at www.barnstormers.com. Thanks for your time, Rick Fogerson. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:05 AM PST US From: Grenwis@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Autopilot wing rocking I've had the wing rocking thing on my autopilot since I got it, but I found for me it is related to aileron trim. I have an external trim tab on the outboard end of my left aileron. If I turn on the autopilot and the wings start rocking, I can adjust the trim to one side (right, I think) and things calm down. I'm sure that is slightly more drag, but I can live with it. Rick Grenwis


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:23 AM PST US From: Hopperdhh@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Autopilot wing rocking This wing rocking problem is covered under "SETTING SYSTEM GAIN" in the Navaid manual. Quoting from my manual, page 14: "The autopilot should fly the airplane in a manner more or less similar to that of human pilots. If the stick action feels too jittery for the weather conditions, or if the airplane is continually hunting (oscillating) back and forth like a snake trying to follow a straight line, the system gain is probably set too high for your aircraft. "Remembering that the trimpots should not be forced beyond their 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock stops, you lower system gain by turning the SPAN trimpot counterclockwise. Decrease the gain (turn SPAN trimpot counterclockwise) until the stick calms down, then increase it to the point where the stick becomes jittery again. With your airplane operating at its usual cruise speed, set the gain as high as possible without oscillation or jittery stick movement. "If the SPAN trimpot ends up being set below 75% of maximum (full clockwise), the servo RANGE trimpot is set too high and tracking performance may be degraded. The following procedure increases servo resolution without changing system gain. Land the airplane and measure (better write it down) the full range of aileron movement obtainable using the TURN CONTROL with the autopilot in Wing Leveler mode. "Set the span to about 90% of full clockwise rotation. "Adjust the RANGE trimpot on the servo printed circuit board to restore that same range of aileron deflection." Dan Hopper RV-7A


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:15 AM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment In preparation for replacing my loose slosh fuel tanks I want to mount the inboard forward bracket attachment the way Van now recommends it. My earlier plans just had you bolt the angle from the fuselage to the angle from the fuel tank tip. How is the 'new' arrangement? Which angle bracket gets the 1/4-inch slot? The tank one or the fuselage one? Also which goes forward - the tank bracket or the fuselage bracket.? Which bracket gets the platenut? My search said that Rvator #1 of 1998 shows what Van now recommends, but my old Rvators were given away long ago. If someone had one handy and could e-mail me what I believe is on page 11 of that issue I would appreciate it. Thanks for any help/insight. John n1cxo320@salidaco.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:11 AM PST US From: Steve Allison Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment John Fasching wrote: > In preparation for replacing my loose slosh fuel tanks I want to mount > the inboard forward bracket attachment the way Van now recommends it. > My earlier plans just had you bolt the angle from the fuselage to the > angle from the fuel tank tip. > > How is the 'new' arrangement? Which angle bracket gets the 1/4-inch > slot? The tank one or the fuselage one? > Also which goes forward - the tank bracket or the fuselage bracket.? > Which bracket gets the platenut? John, 1st issue 1998, p 11 shows: * slot in the tank angle * plate nut in the fuselage angle * tank angle forward of the fuselage angle. If you'd like, I can scan the page and e-mail it directly to you. Steve RV-6A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:42 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment No, thank you, Steve, the information you gave me is exactly what I needed to know. I can take it from here. Again, thank you !!! John ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:16 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment Tank one goes foreward. Tank one get s the slot. Fuse one gets the platenut. Just did my 6A. Don't have the appropriate RVator handy though - but I can take pictures next weekend of my install! Zap me direct......if you want 'em..... Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment In preparation for replacing my loose slosh fuel tanks I want to mount the inboard forward bracket attachment the way Van now recommends it. My earlier plans just had you bolt the angle from the fuselage to the angle from the fuel tank tip. How is the 'new' arrangement? Which angle bracket gets the 1/4-inch slot? The tank one or the fuselage one? Also which goes forward - the tank bracket or the fuselage bracket.? Which bracket gets the platenut? My search said that Rvator #1 of 1998 shows what Van now recommends, but my old Rvators were given away long ago. If someone had one handy and could e-mail me what I believe is on page 11 of that issue I would appreciate it. Thanks for any help/insight. John n1cxo320@salidaco.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:58 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment DO NOT ARCHIVE Thanks, Ralph. John ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:14 PM PST US From: Steve Allison Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment John Fasching wrote: > No, thank you, Steve, the information you gave me is exactly what I > needed to know. I can take it from here. > > Again, thank you !!! John, Just for the record, in case you don't have this, there are some details on the bolt/washer installation. It is not a standard 1/4" bolt torque. From the RVator: "Do not over tighten the bolt. If there is too much clamping pressure the joint will note separate. The correct torque is achieved by tightening the bolt until the AN970 washer can barely be moved with your fingers. Then tighten the bolt 1/6 of a turn (one flat on the head). The bolt has a drilled head and should be safety wired." Good luck with the tank slosh clean out. Steve ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:32 PM PST US From: Tedd McHenry Subject: RV-List: Langley Fly-in June 23 The Langley, BC fly-in will be Saturday, June 23. This is the annual fly-in of the Western Canada Wing. Langley, BC, is about 20 nm north of Bellingham, WA. We generally have a good turnout of RVs from all over BC, and a good contingent from the U.S., too. Details are on our web page, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/ For U.S. visitors, the Home Wing web page has all the information you need on border crossing procedures. http://www.edt.com/homewing/international/ I hope lots of RV-Listers can make it. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:57 PM PST US From: "David Burton" Subject: RV-List: Full face mask for painting I'm looking for a source of full face masks to be used for painting using supplied fresh air. I've located a 3m mask designed for this application which costs $120.00. I've also found one that I think will work from McMaster-Carr for $75.00 and they have disposable clear lens protectors for this mask. Any other suggestions for a lower cost alternative or one better suited for this application? Anybody have experience wearing eyeglasses under one of these? Thanks, Dave ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:31 PM PST US From: ronlee@pcisys.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Langley Fly-in June 23 > For U.S. visitors, the Home Wing web page has all the information you need on border crossing procedures. > > http://www.edt.com/homewing/international/ One possible correction. I believe that you need a passport now to re-enter the USA. With processing times around 10 weeks now I would expedite the paperwork. http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:36 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Full face mask for painting In a message dated 3/11/2007 5:15:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, d-burton@comcast.net writes: I'm looking for a source of full face masks to be used for painting using supplied fresh air. I've located a 3m mask designed for this application which costs $120.00. I've also found one that I think will work from McMaster-Carr for $75.00 and they have disposable clear lens protectors for this mask. Any other suggestions for a lower cost alternative or one better suited for this application? Anybody have experience wearing eyeglasses under one of these? =============================================== I might have an old one laying around that you may have for free. I'll look in the hangar next time I'm out there. There is enough room for eyeglasses but you'll have to find the peel-offs. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 840hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:01 PM PST US From: Gerald Richardson Subject: RE: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment Steve: Wh en you get the page scanned, I would greatly appreciate a copy of it also. Please email me at HYPERLINK "mailto:gerric@shaw.ca"gerric@shaw.ca Thank you for your time. Gerald Richardson RV-6A _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Allison Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:42 Subject: Re: RV-List: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment John Fasching wrote: In preparation for replacing my loose slosh fuel tanks I want to mount the inboard forward bracket attachment the way Van now recommends it. My earlier plans just had you bolt the angle from the fuselage to the angle from the fuel tank tip. How is the 'new' arrangement? Which angle bracket gets the 1/4-inch slot? The tank one or the fuselage one? Also which goes forward - the tank bracket or the fuselage bracket.? Which bracket gets the platenut? John, 1st issue 1998, p 11 shows: * slot in the tank angle * plate nut in the fuselage angle * tank angle forward of the fuselage angle. If you'd like, I can scan the page and e-mail it directly to you. Steve RV-6A "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV-List -- 09:27 -- 09:27 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:32 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Glass for IFR From: "B25Flyer" I was "just passing thru" and saw this post and could not resist a comment. I am now on my second Dynon IFR airplane. (RV-4 and F-1 EVO) I have flown over 500 hours behind Dynons with lots of actual including low approaches. Here are my thoughts. A steam gauge Altimeter, Airspeed Indicator & T/Coordinator are cheaper and a more independent source of backup info than standby glass unit. An autopilot is very important in an IFR RV. Both for Dynon failure and for keeping the airplane rightside up when you are looking at charts. If my Dynon ever fails, the autopilot will come on imeadiately. If I was unwilling to fly in the clouds without the autopilot engaged, then I wouldn't be flying in the clouds. I keep an old Lowrance 500 in my "little oh $hit" bag along with a vice grip, screwdriver, some Zip ties, a Mag light, some batteries, and some other goodies. (sorry no handheld VHF. I won't have a spare hand to use it anyway) A second EFIS might be a viable backup for the first, but I could fly to heck and back with a T&B Alt, Airspeed, and handheld GPS. My greatest fear in an all electric airplane is a lightning strike that fries everything that is turned on. That would be a bad day. I don't have a good answer for that. If the T&B and the Dynon both quit, I have a big problem. But I can name several other scenarios that are more likely to cause just as big a jamb. My $.02 Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100030#100030 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:28 PM PST US From: "Greg Williams" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Glass for IFR Good two cents. I've got a Blue Mountain EFIS and a backup Dynon. No round gauges at all. Although I'm a long way from my IFR rating, I hope it will work well enough to get back home if it clouds up at the last minute. Greg On 3/11/07, B25Flyer wrote: > > > I was "just passing thru" and saw this post and could not resist a > comment. > > I am now on my second Dynon IFR airplane. (RV-4 and F-1 EVO) I have flown > over 500 hours behind Dynons with lots of actual including low approaches. > > Here are my thoughts. > A steam gauge Altimeter, Airspeed Indicator & T/Coordinator are cheaper > and a more independent source of backup info than standby glass unit. > > An autopilot is very important in an IFR RV. Both for Dynon failure and > for keeping the airplane rightside up when you are looking at charts. > > If my Dynon ever fails, the autopilot will come on imeadiately. > > If I was unwilling to fly in the clouds without the autopilot engaged, > then I wouldn't be flying in the clouds. > > I keep an old Lowrance 500 in my "little oh $hit" bag along with a vice > grip, screwdriver, some Zip ties, a Mag light, some batteries, and some > other goodies. (sorry no handheld VHF. I won't have a spare hand to use it > anyway) > > A second EFIS might be a viable backup for the first, but I could fly to > heck and back with a T&B Alt, Airspeed, and handheld GPS. > > My greatest fear in an all electric airplane is a lightning strike that > fries everything that is turned on. That would be a bad day. I don't > have a good answer for that. If the T&B and the Dynon both quit, I have a > big problem. But I can name several other scenarios that are more likely > to cause just as big a jamb. > > My $.02 > > Tailwinds, > Doug Rozendaal > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100030#100030 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:38 PM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Langley Fly-in June 23 Tedd, You might remind us U.S. residents that we will need a passport to get back home if we are flying. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: RV-List: Langley Fly-in June 23 The Langley, BC fly-in will be Saturday, June 23. This is the annual fly-in of the Western Canada Wing. Langley, BC, is about 20 nm north of Bellingham, WA. We generally have a good turnout of RVs from all over BC, and a good contingent from the U.S., too. Details are on our web page, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/ For U.S. visitors, the Home Wing web page has all the information you need on border crossing procedures. http://www.edt.com/homewing/international/ I hope lots of RV-Listers can make it. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.