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1. 02:10 AM - Re: RV-4 First flight (RAS)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment (Kevin Horton)
3. 03:53 AM - Re: RV-4 First flight (Kevin Horton)
4. 06:05 AM - Signature block in Thunderbird (Jeff Dowling)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Tank fix (Richard Seiders)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: RV-4 First flight (Richard Dudley)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Tank fix (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
8. 07:08 AM - WAY OT: Re: Signature block in Thunderbird (Tim Olson)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: Tank fix (Jim Pleasants)
10. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Tank fix (Ralph E. Capen)
11. 07:48 AM - Signature block in Thunderbird (Jeff Dowling)
12. 07:51 AM - Re: Signature block in Thunderbird (Stephen Fleming)
13. 07:51 AM - Re: Signature block in Thunderbird (Steve Allison)
14. 08:11 AM - Re: Signature block in Thunderbird (Steve Allison)
15. 08:25 AM - Re: Signature block in Thunderbird (Pascal GROELL)
16. 09:49 AM - Re:insurance (Dave Cudney)
17. 10:34 AM - Re: Re:insurance (Dave McCoy)
18. 02:50 PM - Re: Re:insurance (luckymacy@comcast.net (lucky))
19. 04:00 PM - RV-6(a) empenage for sale (Tim Bryan)
20. 10:23 PM - Re: Re:insurance (Gregory Young)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 First flight |
Congrats Jerry.
12 years is not bad for an old style kit. I have only build the tail of
mine since '99, but have completed a -7 and finishing a -10 at present.
Soon I'll purchase the rest of -4 and get started again. I'm sure it'll
be a shock to the system after the pre-punch stuff!
Happy Landings!
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| Subject: | Re: RV6/6A Fuel Tank Attachment |
Ah, now I understand. Yeah, it could be to keep the bolt square to
the angle if release is ever needed. If you just had a bolt, nut and
two washers, I can imagine that the bolt could tip sideways a bit and
bind, which would defeat the purpose of the mod.
The purpose of these pieces of angle appear to be to support the
weight of the front of the fuel, especially when pulling some g.
Adding the slot does not compromise that function. I see no way this
would affect flutter, nor would I expect much movement, and thus
there should be very little, if any wear. I don't see a downside,
other than the time required to do the mod.
Kevin
On 12 Mar 2007, at 23:34, David Leonard wrote:
> Thanks Kevin,
> I understand the purpose of the slot, though to be honest I am
> still hesitant to cut the slot. What if it changes the flutter
> characteristics or allows some movement that wears over time
> etc... (I know, lots of planes flying with that mod but it is a
> tough one to accept).
>
> Anyway, my question is about the platenut. Even though Steve sent
> me the copy of the plans from the original RVator, I still don't
> understand the placement and/or purpose of the platenut. Is it a
> large platenut installed on the washer? (the plans say "miniature
> platenut"). If so, why not use a regular nut? Something about not
> letting the bolt get crooked when release is needed?
>
> Dave Leonard
>
>
> On 3/12/07, Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote: --> RV-List
> message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com >
>
> On 12 Mar 2007, at 09:08, David Leonard wrote:
>
> > I am in the same boat as John (my wings are off for painting), but
> > I can't remember the purpose of the platenut.
> >
>
> Pictue the angle on the nose of the inboard tank rib is bolted to the
> angle on the fuselage, with no slots in either angle. Now, imagine a
> crash scenario where the wing leading edge hits something, and this
> pushes the wing back. The nose of the tank rib is rigidly attached
> to the fuselage, so there is a risk of the rib being pulled out of
> the tank, releasing a large quantity of fuel, and leading to a fire.
> This apparently happened on more than one accident, and led to a
> design change.
>
> The design change puts a slot in one of those angles. If the bolt is
> not too tight, it will simply slide out the slot, and allow the wing
> to be pushed back without pulling the fuel tank apart. This should
> hopefully reduce the chance of a fuel tank breach, and reduce the
> risk of a post-crash fire, which should improve survivability.
>
> From a functionality point of view, it doesn't matter which angle
> has the slot. My recollection is that for retrofits to existing
> tanks, Van suggested to put the slot in the fuselage angle, as it can
> be unbolted to make the mod. For new build tanks, Van suggested to
> put the slot on the tank angle, as this was perceived to have some
> advantage.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 First flight |
On 12 Mar 2007, at 23:12, Jerry Isler wrote:
> After 12 years of on and off construction, RV-4 N455J is officially
> a flyable airplane. After receiving the airworthiness certificate
> this morning, I performed a full power ground run on the engine
> just to make sure it would develop adequate power and to see that
> there were no issues with the fuel delivery system. A quick
> adjustment of the low speed idle and another 15 gallons of 100LL
> (for a total of 20 gallons, 10 in each side) I was ready to go. At
> 1715 this afternoon I pulled onto runway 18 at 17J (Donalsonville,
> GA) and applied full power. The take-off roll was brisk but the
> airplane tracked straight. It broke ground after a short ground run
> and climbed away at 1500 FPM. At 2000 feet I orbited the airport
> feeling out the controls and watching the oil pressure. The left
> wing is slightly heavy and I hope to correct that with a squeeze of
> the left aileron. Also, right rudder was required to keep the ball
> centered. I may try to correct the rudder first before squeezing
> the aileron, just to see how it affects the heavy wing.
Yes, correct the rudder first. Then have a read of the info that Van
has published on heavy wings:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Wing_Heavy.pdf
Then, if all else fails, squeeze the aileron of the light wing - i.e.
the right wing.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Signature block in Thunderbird |
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Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant figure
out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird. Anyone.....??
Shemp
N915JD
Dana Overall wrote:
>
>
> Just as a quick note, my experience with registering my DO-7 took
> about three weeks. I had already reserved my N number and filled out
> the paperwork matching, as I was told by a rep. in OK, two of the
> three items, Manufacturer, serial number, model number as per the bill
> of sale from Van's. I listed myself as manufacturer (as usual) and
> used my Van's serial number with the model changed to DO-7.
>
> Total time from mailing to receiving my
> registration........................2 weeks, 6 days. Pretty nice!!!
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
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Leland and Bob, thanks for the input. I prosealed the flairnuts to
the clip angles yesterday. I am satisfied with the fix.
Dick
At 01:38 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote:
>
>Basically, I had the same experience as Bob. Days to remove the
>tanks and to the fix the problem on an RV9. My fuel tank access
>covers were gasketted and Prosealed on. I carefully dried the tanks
>and used heat and prying to remove the covers. Vacuumed Proseal
>residue from tanks. Even so, I have continued to get a small amount
>of particulate when sampling the fuel drains, but only a very small
>amount on the Gascolator screen. My pickup tubes were secure, but
>the flares on the tubes were horribly scratched. My wings and tanks
>were Quickbuilds. I bought Van's pre-drilled and "screened" pickup
>replacement tubes. The level of scratching on the flares of the
>replacements was better but still unacceptable.
>Leland
>
>--------
>Leland
>RV9A
>N137LC
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100081#100081
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-4 First flight |
Congratulations, Jerry. Enjoy your new pride and joy!!!!!
Richard Dudley
RV-6A flying
Jerry Isler wrote:
> After 12 years of on and off construction, RV-4 N455J is officially a
> flyable airplane. After receiving the airworthiness certificate this
> morning, I performed a full power ground run on the engine just to
> make sure it would develop adequate power and to see that there were
> no issues with the fuel delivery system. A quick adjustment of the low
> speed idle and another 15 gallons of 100LL (for a total of 20 gallons,
> 10 in each side) I was ready to go. At 1715 this afternoon I pulled
> onto runway 18 at 17J (Donalsonville, GA) and applied full power. The
> take-off roll was brisk but the airplane tracked straight. It broke
> ground after a short ground run and climbed away at 1500 FPM. At 2000
> feet I orbited the airport feeling out the controls and watching the
> oil pressure. The left wing is slightly heavy and I hope to correct
> that with a squeeze of the left aileron. Also, right rudder was
> required to keep the ball centered. I may try to correct the rudder
> first before squeezing the aileron, just to see how it affects the
> heavy wing. Stalls were non events at less than 50 knots indicated.
> Oil pressure was to high and I had to throttle back to keep it in
> limits. The oil pressure relief is adjustable so that should be a
> simple fix. The most annoying thing was a canopy buzz on the trailing
> end at high speed. How do you stop that?
>
> I would like to report that the first landing was a greaser but that
> would not be so. After the third bounce I remembered to plant the main
> gear on by raising the tail. Life was good after that. The 4 sure
> handles better than my Cessna C140A on the ground and in the air. I
> think I can get use to this airplane.
>
> Thanks to Pierre Smith, Louisville, GA., for my transition training. I
> was as prepared for this flight as any I have ever made.
>
> Jerry Isler
> Donalsonville, GA
> RV-4 N455J - Flying
>
>
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VACUUMED? That thought crossed my mind, but then I thought of my shop vac
loading up with gasoline vapors. There are sparks in that motor, and some air
(fuel vapor!) is drawn up to cool it, at least that's how mine works.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 3/12/2007 12:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
federigo@pacbell.net writes:
Basically, I had the same experience as Bob. Days to remove the tanks and to
the fix the problem on an RV9. My fuel tank access covers were gasketted and
Prosealed on. I carefully dried the tanks and used heat and prying to remove
the covers. Vacuumed Proseal residue from tanks. Even so, I have continued to
get a small amount of particulate when sampling the fuel drains, but only a very
small amount on the Gascolator screen. My pickup tubes were secure, but the
flares on the tubes were horribly scratched. My wings and tanks were
Quickbuilds. I bought Van's pre-drilled and "screened" pickup replacement tubes.
The
level of scratching on the flares of the replacements was better but still
unacceptable.
Leland
--------
Leland
RV9A
N137LC
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| Subject: | Re: Signature block in Thunderbird |
TOOLS - ACCOUNT SETTINGS. Check the "Attach this signature" checkbox.
Then select the signature text file. Just use Notepad to create
a quick signature text file and select it. You're all set. If you
use multiple accounts, each can have it's own sig.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jeff Dowling wrote:
>
> Do not archive
>
> Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant figure
> out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird. Anyone.....??
>
> Shemp
> N915JD
>
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Dan, that's what makes homebuilding so exciting!
Jim Pleasants
Do not archieve
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Tank fix
>
>
> VACUUMED? That thought crossed my mind, but then I thought of my shop vac
> loading up with gasoline vapors. There are sparks in that motor, and some
air
> (fuel vapor!) is drawn up to cool it, at least that's how mine works.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
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Didn't I see that on Mythbusters.....?
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Pleasants <jpleasants@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2007 10:23 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Tank fix
>
>
>Dan, that's what makes homebuilding so exciting!
>
>Jim Pleasants
>
>Do not archieve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Hopperdhh@aol.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:59 AM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Tank fix
>
>
>>
>>
>> VACUUMED? That thought crossed my mind, but then I thought of my shop vac
>> loading up with gasoline vapors. There are sparks in that motor, and some
>air
>> (fuel vapor!) is drawn up to cool it, at least that's how mine works.
>>
>> Dan Hopper
>> RV-7A
>
>
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| Subject: | Signature block in Thunderbird |
Wont this signature block be added to all of my emails, not just rv list
do not archive
Shemp
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> TOOLS - ACCOUNT SETTINGS. Check the "Attach this signature" checkbox.
> Then select the signature text file. Just use Notepad to create
> a quick signature text file and select it. You're all set. If you
> use multiple accounts, each can have it's own sig.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jeff Dowling wrote:
>> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant
>> figure out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird.
>> Anyone.....??
>>
>> Shemp
>> N915JD
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Signature block in Thunderbird |
Jeff Dowling wrote:
> Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant
> figure out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird. Anyone.....??
Very easy to do.
First, create a text/ascii file with your preferred information.
Next, in Thunderbird, click...
Tools
Account Settings
On the right side, down below your name and email check 'Attach this
signature', then navigate to and select the text file you created. It
will appear in every message you send, but can be deleted from the
composition window if there's times you'd rather it not be attached (no
need to disable it in the settings).
Want a different message? Create a new text file and insert it as above.
Want to choose among multiple messages? Use a macro generator, like PC
Magazine's robotype or RoboForm, and create as many signatures as you
want. If you go this route you'll have to remember to manually insert
them at the bottom of your messages but, with a couple of keystrokes,
you could put in anything you wanted rather than repetitively typing it in.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Signature block in Thunderbird |
Tools / Account Settings / check the "Attach this signature box" and the
signature of your choice.
Jeff Dowling wrote:
>
> Do not archive
>
> Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant
> figure out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird. Anyone.....??
>
> Shemp
> N915JD
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| Subject: | Re: Signature block in Thunderbird |
OK, I should have tried it first. The "attach this signature" entry is
actually the location of a file called "signature.txt". signature.txt
is a plain text file with the signature of your choice. (helps to
actually read the documentation and try it first.......... :-) )
Steve Allison wrote:
> Tools / Account Settings / check the "Attach this signature box" and
> the signature of your choice.
>
> Jeff Dowling wrote:
>> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant
>> figure out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird.
>> Anyone.....??
>>
>> Shemp
>> N915JD
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| Subject: | Signature block in Thunderbird |
Hello,
I find the best tool for this is the following Add-on
https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/578/
After install, you create as many signature you want.
While editing your post, you access to all the signature via a simple
right-click.
Pascal
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Steve Allison
>Envoy : mardi 13 mars 2007 15:49
> : rv-list@matronics.com
>Objet : Re: RV-List: Signature block in Thunderbird
>
>
>Tools / Account Settings / check the "Attach this signature
>box" and the signature of your choice.
>
>Jeff Dowling wrote:
>> --> <shempdowling2@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Help. Im tired of typing my info at the end of my posts but cant
>> figure out how to add a signature block using Thunderbird.
>Anyone.....??
>>
>> Shemp
>> N915JD
>
>Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
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I just got a quote for my "other" airplane from Travers & Assoc. The
quote was for considerably less than my current policy. Has anyone
had experience with this company? Do they also offer coverage for
Experimentals?
dave@RAL
7A -- the panel now lights up and the coms. work
>>
>
>
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Dave-
Travers & Associates is a Broker not an insurance carrier. Typically all
brokers, get the same quotes form the underwriters if the same information
is given to them. The "broker" does not set the price the underwriter does.
To answer "Do they offer coverage for experimental?" Yes they can get
quotes on your RV, but they are the same quotes as your current agent can
get. Hope this helps clear some things up.
Regards,
David McCoy
Branch Manager
NationAir Aviation Insurance
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cudney
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re:insurance
I just got a quote for my "other" airplane from Travers & Assoc. The
quote was for considerably less than my current policy. Has anyone
had experience with this company? Do they also offer coverage for
Experimentals?
dave@RAL
7A -- the panel now lights up and the coms. work
>>
>
>
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yes. They're quotes were cheaper by far than the others I called and my renewel
cost went down by a couple of hundred bucks this year on an experimental taildragger
RV8.
Definately give them a shot.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Dave Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
> I just got a quote for my "other" airplane from Travers & Assoc. The
> quote was for considerably less than my current policy. Has anyone
> had experience with this company? Do they also offer coverage for
> Experimentals?
>
> dave@RAL
> 7A -- the panel now lights up and the coms. work
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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<DIV>yes. They're quotes were cheaper by far than the others I called and
my renewel cost went down by a couple of hundred bucks this year on an experimental
taildragger RV8.</DIV>
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<DIV>Definately give them a shot.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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| Subject: | RV-6(a) empenage for sale |
I am listing this for a friend on the airpark here in Texas.
RV-6 (a) Empenage kit with preview plans and full set of plans with serial
number for sale:
$ 700.00
Tail is complete less fiberglass tips.
Contact Joe Fink at 214-697-8908
And Do Not Archive!
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I just got a quote for my Navion that is $300 less than last year. My agent
said a number of new underwriters have entered the field and all of them are
getting competitive again. My quote was from a new one. The Navion is/was a
hard aircraft to insure so maybe the competition will also carry over to
experimentals.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
>
>
>
> I just got a quote for my "other" airplane from Travers & Assoc. The
> quote was for considerably less than my current policy. Has anyone
> had experience with this company? Do they also offer coverage for
> Experimentals?
>
> dave@RAL
> 7A -- the panel now lights up and the coms. work
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