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1. 07:53 AM - Re: RV8 Rudder Cable (BRUCE GRAY)
2. 01:23 PM - Re: Painting Questions and Advice (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper))
3. 01:30 PM - RV8(A) Fuselage Jig Available (Tony Kirk)
4. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Painting Questions and Advice (RAS)
5. 04:32 PM - Aircraft Registration (Paul Rice)
6. 04:52 PM - -7 tipup rollbar question (Charlie England)
7. 05:57 PM - DeltaHawk Engine (Ralph Howey)
8. 06:00 PM - Re: -7 tipup rollbar question (Bob Collins)
9. 06:21 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (Richard Martin)
10. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: -7 tipup rollbar question (Charlie England)
11. 06:48 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (Kevin Horton)
12. 09:05 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (n801bh@netzero.com)
13. 09:37 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (ronlee@pcisys.net)
14. 10:44 PM - Oil Door Latch (Paul Rice)
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| Subject: | RV8 Rudder Cable |
Good News! Someone had one in their hanger down in San Antinio TX.. Talked
to him last night and its on its way. Thanks George.
Bruce G.
RV8 Fuse
>From: "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us@hotmail.com>
>To: RV-List@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RV8 Rudder Cable
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:12:16 -0800
>
>
>Looking for 1 unused rudder cable(F-852A) for a RV8. Cable dimensions
>161.375". Van's sells them in sets only. Will pay half of the going rate or
>whatever you feel its worth. New set from Van's is $77.45.
>I botched one up when it fell into my rotary file while opening a hole.
>Thanks,
>
>Bruce G.
>RV8 Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Questions and Advice |
". . . it's an aircarft and not classic Rolls Royce motorcar needing 32
coats of paint."
Besides, if you stay away from airshows ATC will keep other pilots at
least 500 feet away from your plane!
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139
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| Subject: | RV8(A) Fuselage Jig Available |
I'm helping a friend finish riveting the skins on his 8 and we'll have
a fuselage jig available in the next couple days if anyone is
interested. Come and get it if you can use it!
This is the second 8 built on this jig. The jig is straight and true.
It's located in Maumee, OH. not far from I-75 & I-80 (Northwest Ohio,
suburb of Toledo).
Tony Kirk
419.376.4536
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Questions and Advice |
I'll tell you one better than that, the Boeing specs call for a visual
inspection from 10 feet, even at teen feet it can be difficult to spot some
surface imperfections. So if you want to with your 500 feet..............
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Cowper" <pcowper@webtv.net>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Painting Questions and Advice
>
> ". . . it's an aircarft and not classic Rolls Royce motorcar needing 32
> coats of paint."
>
> Besides, if you stay away from airshows ATC will keep other pilots at
> least 500 feet away from your plane!
>
> Pete Cowper
> RV8 #81139
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Registration |
Hey All,
Just got my FAA registration in the mail. Less than 2 weeks from the
time I sent it on its way to Oklahoma.
Two more months till I'm in the air.
Paul Rice
RV8
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| Subject: | -7 tipup rollbar question |
I'm fitting the F-631 rollover assy. to the fuselage. If I set the base
at the station mentioned on the plans sheet (from memory, 56 13/16"?) it
looks like I need to trim F732A about 1/4" to get that 2 7/8" setback at
the top. Is there any consensus on this, or have y'all just used the
F732A to set the tilt?
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | DeltaHawk Engine |
I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am
spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on
the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and
mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for
group I hope you can help me with.
Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc
(www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their
projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will
establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in
08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe
even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work
quite well for me given my pace
I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on
the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article
in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of
reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability,
low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site.
BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two
(1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling
rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return
lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of
(2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye
If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can
e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the
better.
My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the
touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an
airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't
cost much..
Thanks very much...
Ralph Howey
Delta B.C.
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| Subject: | Re: -7 tipup rollbar question |
Charlie: The angle of the "tilt" is easy if you cleco on the top skin. The the
measurement you have to make is the distance from the top (I think it's the top,
I don't have the plans here with me) of the rollbar to the 705.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101135#101135
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| Subject: | Re: DeltaHawk Engine |
Ralph,
I have been in business for over 45 years and anytime I see a request
for a large downpayment from a relitivly new company for a $5000
downpayment for something that I will not need for l or 2 years, I
become very suspicious. If their terms demand a large downpayment for
something that you will not need for at least one or two years, I would
suggest that you keep your money in the bank earning interest and hold
off untill you are within 6 months of requiring an engine for your
airplane.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Howey
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine
I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am
spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on
the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and
mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for
group I hope you can help me with.
Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc
(www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their
projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will
establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in
08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe
even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work
quite well for me given my pace
I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on
the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article
in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of
reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability,
low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site.
BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two
(1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling
rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return
lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of
(2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye
If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can
e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the
better.
My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the
touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an
airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't
cost much..
Thanks very much...
Ralph Howey
Delta B.C.
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| Subject: | Re: -7 tipup rollbar question |
Bob Collins wrote:
>
> Charlie: The angle of the "tilt" is easy if you cleco on the top skin. The the
measurement you have to make is the distance from the top (I think it's the
top, I don't have the plans here with me) of the rollbar to the 705.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Everything's clecoed on; with the F732A (& the reinforcement/spacer)
clecoed to the top skin & the base of the F637 positioned correctly on
the fuselage sides, the tiltback measurement shown on the plans is 2
7/8" & I'm coming up at about 2 5/8". I think that this is on dwg#40.
I'm sitting a framing square on the top of F705 to get the measurement;
that might be the problem. Maybe I need to level the fuse & drop a plumb
line.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: DeltaHawk Engine |
On 16 Mar 2007, at 20:56, Ralph Howey wrote:
> I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am
> spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking
> on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and
> mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for
> group I hope you can help me with.
>
> Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc
> (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their
> projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This
> will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine
> some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by
> then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the
> timing should work quite well for me given my pace
>
If you are still working on your empennage, you are a long way away
from needing an engine. If your build goes at the pace of many
builders, you may not need an engine for several years. The DeltaHawk
engine has zero service history at the moment. There will almost
certainly be changes made as a result of problems experienced in
service. If you take delivery of your engine too early, you won't
get the improvements that are made later.
Will your money be held in escrow, or is there a risk that the
company could go bankrupt and you lose it? If it later turns out
that the engine isn't nearly as good as it is currently claimed to
be, can you get your money back, or is this a non-refundable deposit?
Having to sort out engine mount, cowling, radiator mount, etc, etc
will add a lot of complication and cost to the project. This is OK
as long was you enjoy this sort of thing, and are in no rush to get
finished and have cash to burn. If you are hoping to get flying as
early as possible, or as cheaply as possible, stick with a Lycoming.
Personally, I would prefer to see a reasonable amount of good service
history before I committed to something as important and expensive as
an engine. Putting $5,000 down now only makes sense if you are
comfortable with the possibility of having that money be lost.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| Subject: | Re: DeltaHawk Engine |
Dennis emailed you asking for 5000.00 for an engine to maybe be delivere
d in two years. ?? I give it a 99.9% chance you will never see that engi
ne or your money.. IMHO
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Ralph Howey" <rdhowey@telus.net> wrote:
I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spendi
ng way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web.
I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely
pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you ca
n help me with. Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www
.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projecte
d delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish
me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hop
efully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed u
p the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for
me given my pace I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 a
s I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complim
entary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for
any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel
availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on th
eir web site. BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two
(1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling ra
ds..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lin
es, and all those things I haven't even thought of (2) company viabilit
y and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye If anybody has any thou
ghts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with yo
ur comments good or bad.....the more input the better.My thoughts are I'
ll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I
write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do h
ave some time available and the ticket won't cost much.. Thanks very mu
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delivered in two years. ?? I give it a 99.9% chance you will never see&
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm still working on the empennage
of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time day
dreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out
in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I ha
ve an important question for group I hope you can help me with.</FONT></
DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk
Engines Inc (<A href="http://www.deltahawkengines.com/">www.deltahawk
engines.com</A>) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected deli
very for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in
the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully
I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the
wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me giv
en my pace</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have read as much about Deltahaw
k and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Ke
rn ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The
engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpo
se-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, du
rability, you can read all the hype on their web site.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BUT......I need some advise and a devil
's advocate or two</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(1) what about firewall forward install
ation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..f
uel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I ha
ven't even thought of </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></D
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If anybody has any thoughts on this&nbs
p;we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments
good or bad.....the more input the better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and
drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( c
heck ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time availab
le and the ticket won't cost much..</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks very much...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: DeltaHawk Engine |
Go hide your checkbook and credit card(s). Kevin was right on. Do you
want to do all the mods needed to make this work in a proven design like
RV plus Lycoming type engine?
Fuel availability? How many airports have diesel? How will you refuel
going cross-country?
Get this thought out of your mind for now and ask again in a year.
Even then I would not likely recommend this engine.
Ron Lee
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Can anybody tell me where to get the round push button oil door latch I
see on a lot of RV's. I think it is made by camloc, but I can't find it
anywhere.
Thanks,
Paul Rice
RV8 almost ready to fly
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