---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/16/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:53 AM - Re: RV8 Rudder Cable (BRUCE GRAY) 2. 01:23 PM - Re: Painting Questions and Advice (pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper)) 3. 01:30 PM - RV8(A) Fuselage Jig Available (Tony Kirk) 4. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Painting Questions and Advice (RAS) 5. 04:32 PM - Aircraft Registration (Paul Rice) 6. 04:52 PM - -7 tipup rollbar question (Charlie England) 7. 05:57 PM - DeltaHawk Engine (Ralph Howey) 8. 06:00 PM - Re: -7 tipup rollbar question (Bob Collins) 9. 06:21 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (Richard Martin) 10. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: -7 tipup rollbar question (Charlie England) 11. 06:48 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (Kevin Horton) 12. 09:05 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (n801bh@netzero.com) 13. 09:37 PM - Re: DeltaHawk Engine (ronlee@pcisys.net) 14. 10:44 PM - Oil Door Latch (Paul Rice) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:16 AM PST US From: "BRUCE GRAY" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV8 Rudder Cable Good News! Someone had one in their hanger down in San Antinio TX.. Talked to him last night and its on its way. Thanks George. Bruce G. RV8 Fuse >From: "BRUCE GRAY" >To: RV-List@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: RV8 Rudder Cable >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:12:16 -0800 > > >Looking for 1 unused rudder cable(F-852A) for a RV8. Cable dimensions >161.375". Van's sells them in sets only. Will pay half of the going rate or >whatever you feel its worth. New set from Van's is $77.45. >I botched one up when it fell into my rotary file while opening a hole. >Thanks, > >Bruce G. >RV8 Fuse > >_________________________________________________________________ >Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. >Intro*Terms >https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 > > _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:50 PM PST US From: pcowper@webtv.net (Pete Cowper) Subject: RV-List: Re: Painting Questions and Advice ". . . it's an aircarft and not classic Rolls Royce motorcar needing 32 coats of paint." Besides, if you stay away from airshows ATC will keep other pilots at least 500 feet away from your plane! Pete Cowper RV8 #81139 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:24 PM PST US From: Tony Kirk Subject: RV-List: RV8(A) Fuselage Jig Available I'm helping a friend finish riveting the skins on his 8 and we'll have a fuselage jig available in the next couple days if anyone is interested. Come and get it if you can use it! This is the second 8 built on this jig. The jig is straight and true. It's located in Maumee, OH. not far from I-75 & I-80 (Northwest Ohio, suburb of Toledo). Tony Kirk 419.376.4536 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:17 PM PST US From: "RAS" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Painting Questions and Advice I'll tell you one better than that, the Boeing specs call for a visual inspection from 10 feet, even at teen feet it can be difficult to spot some surface imperfections. So if you want to with your 500 feet.............. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Cowper" Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: Painting Questions and Advice > > ". . . it's an aircarft and not classic Rolls Royce motorcar needing 32 > coats of paint." > > Besides, if you stay away from airshows ATC will keep other pilots at > least 500 feet away from your plane! > > Pete Cowper > RV8 #81139 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:05 PM PST US From: "Paul Rice" Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Registration Hey All, Just got my FAA registration in the mail. Less than 2 weeks from the time I sent it on its way to Oklahoma. Two more months till I'm in the air. Paul Rice RV8 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:14 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: RV-List: -7 tipup rollbar question I'm fitting the F-631 rollover assy. to the fuselage. If I set the base at the station mentioned on the plans sheet (from memory, 56 13/16"?) it looks like I need to trim F732A about 1/4" to get that 2 7/8" setback at the top. Is there any consensus on this, or have y'all just used the F732A to set the tilt? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:41 PM PST US From: "Ralph Howey" Subject: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you can help me with. Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me given my pace I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site. BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of (2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the better. My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't cost much.. Thanks very much... Ralph Howey Delta B.C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:56 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: -7 tipup rollbar question From: "Bob Collins" Charlie: The angle of the "tilt" is easy if you cleco on the top skin. The the measurement you have to make is the distance from the top (I think it's the top, I don't have the plans here with me) of the rollbar to the 705. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101135#101135 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:22 PM PST US From: "Richard Martin" Subject: Re: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine Ralph, I have been in business for over 45 years and anytime I see a request for a large downpayment from a relitivly new company for a $5000 downpayment for something that I will not need for l or 2 years, I become very suspicious. If their terms demand a large downpayment for something that you will not need for at least one or two years, I would suggest that you keep your money in the bank earning interest and hold off untill you are within 6 months of requiring an engine for your airplane. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Howey To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you can help me with. Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me given my pace I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on their web site. BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I haven't even thought of (2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye If anybody has any thoughts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the better. My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time available and the ticket won't cost much.. Thanks very much... Ralph Howey Delta B.C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:48 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: -7 tipup rollbar question Bob Collins wrote: > > Charlie: The angle of the "tilt" is easy if you cleco on the top skin. The the measurement you have to make is the distance from the top (I think it's the top, I don't have the plans here with me) of the rollbar to the 705. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV Builder's Hotline (free!) > http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Everything's clecoed on; with the F732A (& the reinforcement/spacer) clecoed to the top skin & the base of the F637 positioned correctly on the fuselage sides, the tiltback measurement shown on the plans is 2 7/8" & I'm coming up at about 2 5/8". I think that this is on dwg#40. I'm sitting a framing square on the top of F705 to get the measurement; that might be the problem. Maybe I need to level the fuse & drop a plumb line. Charlie ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:37 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine On 16 Mar 2007, at 20:56, Ralph Howey wrote: > I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am > spending way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking > on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and > mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for > group I hope you can help me with. > > Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc > (www.deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their > projected delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This > will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine > some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by > then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the > timing should work quite well for me given my pace > If you are still working on your empennage, you are a long way away from needing an engine. If your build goes at the pace of many builders, you may not need an engine for several years. The DeltaHawk engine has zero service history at the moment. There will almost certainly be changes made as a result of problems experienced in service. If you take delivery of your engine too early, you won't get the improvements that are made later. Will your money be held in escrow, or is there a risk that the company could go bankrupt and you lose it? If it later turns out that the engine isn't nearly as good as it is currently claimed to be, can you get your money back, or is this a non-refundable deposit? Having to sort out engine mount, cowling, radiator mount, etc, etc will add a lot of complication and cost to the project. This is OK as long was you enjoy this sort of thing, and are in no rush to get finished and have cash to burn. If you are hoping to get flying as early as possible, or as cheaply as possible, stick with a Lycoming. Personally, I would prefer to see a reasonable amount of good service history before I committed to something as important and expensive as an engine. Putting $5,000 down now only makes sense if you are comfortable with the possibility of having that money be lost. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:54 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine Dennis emailed you asking for 5000.00 for an engine to maybe be delivere d in two years. ?? I give it a 99.9% chance you will never see that engi ne or your money.. IMHO do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Ralph Howey" wrote: I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spendi ng way too much time daydreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I have an important question for group I hope you ca n help me with. Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www .deltahawkengines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projecte d delivery for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hop efully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed u p the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me given my pace I have read as much about Deltahawk and their DH180A4 a s I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Kern ran a very complim entary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpose-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, durability, you can read all the hype on th eir web site. BUT......I need some advise and a devil's advocate or two (1) what about firewall forward installation...engine mounts..cooling ra ds..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..fuel pumps, filters and return lin es, and all those things I haven't even thought of (2) company viabilit y and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodbye If anybody has any thou ghts on this we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with yo ur comments good or bad.....the more input the better.My thoughts are I' ll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( check ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do h ave some time available and the ticket won't cost much.. Thanks very mu ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== =====

Dennis emailed you asking for 5000.00 for an engine to maybe be delivered in two years. ?? I give it a 99.9% chance you will never see& nbsp;that engine or your money.. IMHO

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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair .com

-- "Ralph Howey" <rdhowey@telus.net>&nb sp;wrote:

I'm still working on the empennage of my 8 quick-build kit and am spending way too much time day dreaming, panel planning and lurking on the web. I know I should be out in the shop squeezing rivets and mangling lovely pieces of .020 but I ha ve an important question for group I hope you can help me with.
 
Two days ago Dennis Webb from DeltsHawk Engines Inc (www.deltahawk engines.com) e-mailed me to offer a position in their projected deli very for 2008 and requesting a $5000 deposit. This will establish me in the line-up and I should receive my engine some time in 08,,,, hopefully I'll have completed the empennage by then and maybe even closed up the wings..hope hope...Actually the timing should work quite well for me giv en my pace
 
I have read as much about Deltahaw k and their DH180A4 as I can find on the web and Kitplanes author Tim Ke rn ran a very complimentary article in the December 2006 issue. The engine appeals to me for any number of reasons, direct drive purpo se-built aviation engine, fuel availability, low fuel burn, du rability, you can read all the hype on their web site.
 
BUT......I need some advise and a devil 's advocate or two
 
(1) what about firewall forward install ation...engine mounts..cooling rads..cowl design..exhaust and muffler..f uel pumps, filters and return lines, and all those things I ha ven't even thought of 
 
(2) company viability and the chance of me kissing my 5grand goodb ye
 
If anybody has any thoughts on this&nbs p;we can start a string or you can e-mail me directly with your comments good or bad.....the more input the better.
My thoughts are I'll fly to Chicago and drive up to Racine to do the touchy-feely before I write the cheque ( c heck ), I retired from an airline job 1 Jan so do have some time availab le and the ticket won't cost much.. 
 
Thanks very much...
 
Ralph Howey
Delta B.C.


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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:35 PM PST US From: ronlee@pcisys.net Subject: Re: RV-List: DeltaHawk Engine Go hide your checkbook and credit card(s). Kevin was right on. Do you want to do all the mods needed to make this work in a proven design like RV plus Lycoming type engine? Fuel availability? How many airports have diesel? How will you refuel going cross-country? Get this thought out of your mind for now and ask again in a year. Even then I would not likely recommend this engine. Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:46 PM PST US From: "Paul Rice" Subject: RV-List: Oil Door Latch Can anybody tell me where to get the round push button oil door latch I see on a lot of RV's. I think it is made by camloc, but I can't find it anywhere. Thanks, Paul Rice RV8 almost ready to fly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.