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1. 03:57 AM - Re: 9A VS parts list (T.C. Chang)
2. 07:30 AM - Vne dependent on TAS? (Ken Arnold)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Aircraft Painting 101 Video (renewhall2)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (David Leonard)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (RAS)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (Tedd McHenry)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: ()
8. 09:34 AM - Rebuilding Gyros (Emrath)
9. 11:25 AM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (ronlee@pcisys.net)
10. 12:00 PM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (Robin Marks)
11. 12:04 PM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (Robin Marks)
12. 12:34 PM - Re: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro (Matt Dralle)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (Ken Arnold)
14. 03:26 PM - RV-4 for Sale (Paul Besing)
15. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro (Darrell Reiley)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro (Matt Dralle)
17. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro (Bob Leffler)
18. 05:46 PM - Re: Vne dependent on TAS? (linn Walters)
19. 08:04 PM - POH (Dan Ross)
20. 08:37 PM - Re: POH (williamc@RV9Builder.com)
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| Subject: | 9A VS parts list |
Paul,
Section 4 of your construction manual is a complete parts index. Parts for
VS begins with VS and is on "PLAN PG #6". Unfortunately, several VS parts
are listed at end of the list with unknown PLAN PG #. Here are what I found:
VS-410PP-PC x 2
VS-411PP-PC x 2
VS-412PP-PC x 2
VS-803PP x 1
VS-808PP x 1
VS-901 x 1
VS-909 x 1
VS-702 x 1
VS-704 x 1
VS-705 x 1
VS-706 x 1
VS-707 x 1
Double check the above list against DWG 6 and see whether anything is
missing. There are various rivets used and they are not listed on the parts
list.
Ted
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T.C. Chang
http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/
tc1234c@roadrunner.com
RV-9A, Lycoming (ECI) O320-D2A, 160 hp, Carb, Dual Mag, Sensenich FP
all electric, GRT dual DU H1, TT DigiFlight II VSGV, 125 Hobbs 3/8/2007
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Folbrecht
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:24 AM
Subject: RV-List: 9A VS parts list
--> <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
My tech counselor recommended I rebuild my VS. (Biggest problem was
I bucked rivets on the spar because I didn't have a squeezer that
could do 1/8" rivets.) Anyway, I called Van's to order the parts and
basically they have no concept of a "vertical stab" subkit - you need
to have the full parts list. Does anybody happen to have this handy
for a 9A??
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| Subject: | Vne dependent on TAS? |
Listers,
A recent article in Kitplane magazine describes the criticality of
knowing TAS at relative high msl. For example, if one is flying at 8K
to 10K, the indicated airspeed is significantly less than TAS.
Therefore, an IAS of 90 could have TAS near Vne.
I would be interested in offline comments from anyone experiencing
"flutter" or some other situation at these altitudes and how you deal
with the situations.
Many thanks,
Ken Arnold
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Painting 101 Video |
Jerry,
Those are the standard Van's wingtips that came in my wing kit in 2002. I'm not
sure when Van's changed them but I noticed that on some -7's recently.
Bob
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Bob Newhall
N829RV
RV Transition Training
Boulder, CO
renewhall2.googlepages.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102628#102628
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| Subject: | Re: Vne dependent on TAS? |
Ken,
If you search the archives you will see that this issue is beaten deader
than dead (no exceeding Vne pun intended).
David Leonard
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On 3/24/07, Ken Arnold <arno7452@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> A recent article in Kitplane magazine describes the criticality of knowing
> TAS at relative high msl. For example, if one is flying at 8K to 10K, the
> indicated airspeed is significantly less than TAS. Therefore, an IAS of 90
> could have TAS near Vne.
>
> I would be interested in offline comments from anyone experiencing
> "flutter" or some other situation at these altitudes and how you deal with
> the situations.
>
> Many thanks,
> Ken Arnold
>
> *
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vne dependent on TAS? |
Ken,
This is the very reason Van's doesn't support the use of engines higher
than advertised and normally aspirated.
A normaly aspirated Lycoming will usually reach full throttle height
around 7500 feet AMSL/standard atmosphere. RV's can usually go a bit
higher due to the RAM effect of the intake air if the cowling and
baffling of intake has been carefully constructed, sometimnes as much as
1"MP can be gained.
Save for a very light RV, little fuel, no lugagge, 1POB, I don't think
it's an issue really.
However should you have the urge to up the HP even a bit or use a TURBO
where you can maintain your MP above the 7500 then you will quickly come
very close to the VNE, in a similar way as you can quickly achieve VNE
at low levels by high powersetting and just pushing the nose down. I
recall it could be achieved within a 1000feet drop with only 1800RPM set
during the testfase of my RV7.(180HP, FP, 1029LBS empty).
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Arnold
To: RV-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: RV-List: Vne dependent on TAS?
Listers,
A recent article in Kitplane magazine describes the criticality of
knowing TAS at relative high msl. For example, if one is flying at 8K
to 10K, the indicated airspeed is significantly less than TAS.
Therefore, an IAS of 90 could have TAS near Vne.
I would be interested in offline comments from anyone experiencing
"flutter" or some other situation at these altitudes and how you deal
with the situations.
Many thanks,
Ken Arnold
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| Subject: | Re: Vne dependent on TAS? |
Ken:
There's was a discussion of the relationship between TAS and flutter on the RV
List a year or so ago. You should find lots about it in the archives. The RV
List discussion was inspired by an article in the RVator called "Flying High
and Fast" (6th issue of 2004), in which Ken Krueger talks about the risk of
encountering flutter at high altitude, due to TAS being much higher than IAS.
(I'm not attempting to re-open the debate here, only to point Ken toward what
he's looking for.)
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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-Mark,
I am building an RV-6A with H-4 Eggie and David Domeier has a flying RV-7A. For
more info, contact offline.
Ron Burnett--- marknlisa@hometel.com wrote:
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> Listers,
>
> Are there any Subaru-powered RVs in the Saint Louis area?
>
> Mark Sletten
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| Subject: | Rebuilding Gyros |
Is there anyone on the "list" that has rebuilt a gyro themselves? I have a
ADI of B.F.Goodrich origin that I would like to rebuild. Corollary question,
who would be a good source to have the gyro overall, less yellow tag as this
is for an experimental?
Marty RV-6A finishing.
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| Subject: | Re: Vne dependent on TAS? |
Go to the Vans Aircatft website and select RV 9/9A and
then "Performance". There is an article about Why can't I use a bigger
engine" that has some good info.
Ron
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| Subject: | Vne dependent on TAS? |
Does anyone know if this article is available online?
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 350 Hours
RV-10 parts, parts, parts
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Vne dependent on TAS?
Ken:
There's was a discussion of the relationship between TAS and flutter on
the RV List a year or so ago. You should find lots about it in the
archives. The RV List discussion was inspired by an article in the
RVator called "Flying High and Fast" (6th issue of 2004), in which Ken
Krueger talks about the risk of encountering flutter at high altitude,
due to TAS being much higher than IAS.
(I'm not attempting to re-open the debate here, only to point Ken toward
what he's looking for.)
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | Vne dependent on TAS? |
Found it!
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf
as a discussion of the relationship between TAS and flutter on the RV
List a year or so ago. You should find lots about it in the archives.
The RV List discussion was inspired by an article in the RVator called
"Flying High and Fast" (6th issue of 2004), in which Ken Krueger talks
about the risk of encountering flutter at high altitude, due to TAS
being much higher than IAS.
Robin
RV-10 still in pieces...
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| Subject: | RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro |
At 05:29 AM 3/22/2007 Thursday, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, thats cool! Maybe he will fix the problem where clicking
next on a project web page takes you backward in dates instead of forward.
That has always drove me nuts along with the run on paragraphs. Spell check
would be great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when I was beta testing
his 2.0 release that adding the ability to attach files to entries like
scanned receipts to expenses would be useful.
>
>Michael Sausen
Michael/Kitlog Users,
I think you will be pleased. I've updated the "Next/Previous" functionality on
the individual log entry pages so that the function is now more intuitive. Give
it a try and let me know what you think...
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=0&log=16675&row=5
How's that for customer service? Tell a friend!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics / Kitlog Pro
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Vne dependent on TAS? |
Listers,
Many thanks for all the good comments re: TAS effect on Vne. The Ken
Kruger article is very good and very clear. ie be very careful when
calculating your closeness to Vne at higher altitudes.
My engine is Rotax 912 ULS. I have determined the rule of thumb is multiply
thousands by 1.5 which gives a percentage number to find IAS to compare with
TAS. For example, at 8K msl, multiply 8 x 1.5 = 12% reduction. If Vne at
sealevel was 110 mph then 110 x 0.88 = 96.8 mph IAS.
This is important news. Other docs have sort of ignored the situation by
discussing how much more efficient it is to fly a little higher. Further, I
think a placard pasted to the panel at some sample altitudes would be handy.
Again, many thanks,
Ken Arnold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Vne dependent on TAS?
>
> Found it!
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf
>
> as a discussion of the relationship between TAS and flutter on the RV
> List a year or so ago. You should find lots about it in the archives.
> The RV List discussion was inspired by an article in the RVator called
> "Flying High and Fast" (6th issue of 2004), in which Ken Krueger talks
> about the risk of encountering flutter at high altitude, due to TAS
> being much higher than IAS.
>
> Robin
> RV-10 still in pieces...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro |
Matt,
Would this be something requiring an update? I've
clicked on the check for updates and the reply is no
updates available.
Thanks,
Darrell
--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> At 05:29 AM 3/22/2007 Thursday, RV Builder (Michael
> Sausen) wrote:
> >Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, thats cool! Maybe he
> will fix the problem where clicking next on a
> project web page takes you backward in dates instead
> of forward. That has always drove me nuts along
> with the run on paragraphs. Spell check would be
> great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when I
> was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the
> ability to attach files to entries like scanned
> receipts to expenses would be useful.
> >
> >Michael Sausen
>
> Michael/Kitlog Users,
>
> I think you will be pleased. I've updated the
> "Next/Previous" functionality on the individual log
> entry pages so that the function is now more
> intuitive. Give it a try and let me know what you
> think...
>
>
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=0&log=16675&row=5
>
> How's that for customer service? Tell a friend!
>
> Best regards,
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics / Kitlog Pro
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
> dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
> For Aircraft
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro |
Darrell,
No, all of these changes were made on the MyKitlog.com webserver side; no update
to your Windows Application is required to take advantage of them.
Matt Dralle
At 04:15 PM 3/24/2007 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>Would this be something requiring an update? I've
>clicked on the check for updates and the reply is no
>updates available.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Darrell
>
>--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>> <dralle@matronics.com>
>>
>> At 05:29 AM 3/22/2007 Thursday, RV Builder (Michael
>> Sausen) wrote:
>> >Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, thats cool! Maybe he
>> will fix the problem where clicking next on a
>> project web page takes you backward in dates instead
>> of forward. That has always drove me nuts along
>> with the run on paragraphs. Spell check would be
>> great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when I
>> was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the
>> ability to attach files to entries like scanned
>> receipts to expenses would be useful.
>> >
>> >Michael Sausen
>>
>> Michael/Kitlog Users,
>>
>> I think you will be pleased. I've updated the
>> "Next/Previous" functionality on the individual log
>> entry pages so that the function is now more
>> intuitive. Give it a try and let me know what you
>> think...
>>
>>
>http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&category=0&log=16675&row=5
>>
>> How's that for customer service? Tell a friend!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt Dralle
>> Matronics / Kitlog Pro
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore |
>> CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
>> dralle@matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
>> For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>> Web Forums!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
>with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro |
All of Matt's recent changes effect how the web pages are displayed and
didn't require any changes to the PC application.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: RV10-List: Kitlog Pro
Matt,
Would this be something requiring an update? I've
clicked on the check for updates and the reply is no
updates available.
Thanks,
Darrell
--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> At 05:29 AM 3/22/2007 Thursday, RV Builder (Michael
> Sausen) wrote:
> >Matt bought KitLog?!? Wow, that's cool! Maybe he
> will fix the problem where clicking next on a
> project web page takes you backward in dates instead
> of forward. That' has always drove me nuts along
> with the run on paragraphs. Spell check would be
> great too. I also mentioned to Paul way back when I
> was beta testing his 2.0 release that adding the
> ability to attach files to entries like scanned
> receipts to expenses would be useful.
> >
> >Michael Sausen
>
> Michael/Kitlog Users,
>
> I think you will be pleased. I've updated the
> "Next/Previous" functionality on the individual log
> entry pages so that the function is now more
> intuitive. Give it a try and let me know what you
> think...
>
>
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22&catego
ry=0&log=16675&row=5
>
> How's that for customer service? Tell a friend!
>
> Best regards,
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics / Kitlog Pro
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore |
> CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F |
> dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products
> For Aircraft
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
>
>
>
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
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| Subject: | Re: Vne dependent on TAS? |
I'm confused. Well, maybe not. If the discussion is based on 'bigger
engines', then I can see the basis for the discussion. However, VNE
probably can't be attained in level flight ...... even with a lot of
extra HP, so the VNE/TAS discussion should die right there. In the
absence of a turbo, flying at altitude will make that attempt even
farther from attainment. Also, the flutter design limit is higher than
VNE (or should be :-P ) so that shouldn't be a problem.
So, where's the fear??
Linn
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Ken Arnold wrote:
>
> Listers,
> Many thanks for all the good comments re: TAS effect on Vne. The Ken
> Kruger article is very good and very clear. ie be very careful when
> calculating your closeness to Vne at higher altitudes.
>
> My engine is Rotax 912 ULS. I have determined the rule of thumb is
> multiply thousands by 1.5 which gives a percentage number to find IAS
> to compare with TAS. For example, at 8K msl, multiply 8 x 1.5 = 12%
> reduction. If Vne at sealevel was 110 mph then 110 x 0.88 = 96.8 mph
> IAS.
>
> This is important news. Other docs have sort of ignored the situation
> by discussing how much more efficient it is to fly a little higher.
> Further, I think a placard pasted to the panel at some sample
> altitudes would be handy.
>
> Again, many thanks,
> Ken Arnold
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 3:01 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Vne dependent on TAS?
>
>
>>
>> Found it!
>>
>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf
>>
>> as a discussion of the relationship between TAS and flutter on the RV
>> List a year or so ago. You should find lots about it in the archives.
>> The RV List discussion was inspired by an article in the RVator called
>> "Flying High and Fast" (6th issue of 2004), in which Ken Krueger talks
>> about the risk of encountering flutter at high altitude, due to TAS
>> being much higher than IAS.
>>
>> Robin
>> RV-10 still in pieces...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Guys: Has anyone put together a POH for the -9A? It would be great to have
one online so as to make the minor changes to airspeed, rate of climb, and
so on each homebuilt before printing. Thanks, Dan.
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Check Vans Airforce web site. I know there are some POHs there but not
sure about the 9A.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Ross
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: POH
Guys: Has anyone put together a POH for the -9A? It would be great
to have one online so as to make the minor changes to airspeed, rate of
climb, and so on each homebuilt before printing. Thanks, Dan.
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