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1. 07:05 AM - Re: Tom Green (Dwight Frye)
2. 08:08 AM - Re: Tom Green (Hopperdhh@aol.com)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: Tom Green (Paul Besing)
4. 09:12 AM - Re: Tom Green (Paul Besing)
5. 10:27 AM - Re: Tom Green (Bob Collins)
6. 10:38 AM - Re: Tom Green (Bob Collins)
7. 03:26 PM - Re: Tom Green (Kyle Boatright)
8. 03:57 PM - Rudder Skin Crack (J. R. Dial)
9. 04:29 PM - Re: Not waiting on Bluemountain (Tracy Crook)
10. 05:13 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Crack (Kyle Boatright)
11. 05:33 PM - Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain (Tracy Crook)
12. 06:00 PM - Re: Tom Green (Bob Collins)
13. 06:07 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Crack (Charlie England)
14. 10:34 PM - Re: Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain (Paul Rice)
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On Fri Mar 30 20:37:45 2007, Frank Stringham wrote :
>I have also had great help from Gus, Scott, and Bruce.
That is my list of favorites too. In particular Bruce has -always- gone
out of his way to listen, to give me a straight story, to treat me and
my problem with respect, and to even offer up alternatives I had not
thought about.
But all three have never been anything less that totally helpful and
respectful. I am sure that there are other members of the Van's staff who
also fall into the category of 'helpful and respectful' but it may be that
the luck of the draw has not given me the opportunity to work with them.
That being said ... there are others who, while I am sure are quite likely
well-intentioned, don't fall into that category. I would stress that if
you -do- have an unsatisfactory encounter don't just let it go ... call
and ask for one of the three guys mentioned above, or talk to Tom Green.
-- Dwight
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I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they wish
they were allowed to reply!
Don't let all this go to your head Tom!
Bruce, you are great to talk to. Van (or Tom?) should give you a raise!
Service like this is what sells those airplane kits.
I have also received very good advice from all of the guys at Van's. I can
imagine that they get kind of tired of answering the same questions over and
over, so it must take a lot of patience. After a long day of answering
questions its easy to see why they may sometimes seem a little irritated.
Hang in there you Van's guys. You have fantastic airplanes, and a wonderful
group of builders and flyers.
Thanks to all of you.
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Dan Hopper
RV-7A -- flying since July 2004
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Besides the kit itself, this is one of the main reasons why Van's is one of the
few to stay in business! Look at all the other companies...just about all of
the big ones have gone through some sort of bankruptcy, reorganizations, at some
point.
I'll build another one someday..perhaps the twin engine RV?
Paul Besing
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Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org> wrote:
On Fri Mar 30 20:37:45 2007, Frank Stringham wrote :
>I have also had great help from Gus, Scott, and Bruce.
That is my list of favorites too. In particular Bruce has -always- gone
out of his way to listen, to give me a straight story, to treat me and
my problem with respect, and to even offer up alternatives I had not
thought about.
But all three have never been anything less that totally helpful and
respectful. I am sure that there are other members of the Van's staff who
also fall into the category of 'helpful and respectful' but it may be that
the luck of the draw has not given me the opportunity to work with them.
That being said ... there are others who, while I am sure are quite likely
well-intentioned, don't fall into that category. I would stress that if
you -do- have an unsatisfactory encounter don't just let it go ... call
and ask for one of the three guys mentioned above, or talk to Tom Green.
-- Dwight
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with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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Besides the kit itself, this is one of the main reasons why Van's is one of the
few to stay in business! Look at all the other companies...just about all of
the big ones have gone through some sort of bankruptcy, reorganizations, at some
point.
I'll build another one someday..perhaps the twin engine RV?
Paul Besing
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Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org> wrote:
On Fri Mar 30 20:37:45 2007, Frank Stringham wrote :
>I have also had great help from Gus, Scott, and Bruce.
That is my list of favorites too. In particular Bruce has -always- gone
out of his way to listen, to give me a straight story, to treat me and
my problem with respect, and to even offer up alternatives I had not
thought about.
But all three have never been anything less that totally helpful and
respectful. I am sure that there are other members of the Van's staff who
also fall into the category of 'helpful and respectful' but it may be that
the luck of the draw has not given me the opportunity to work with them.
That being said ... there are others who, while I am sure are quite likely
well-intentioned, don't fall into that category. I would stress that if
you -do- have an unsatisfactory encounter don't just let it go ... call
and ask for one of the three guys mentioned above, or talk to Tom Green.
-- Dwight
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// I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they
wish they were allowed to reply!
Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and
occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to
disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g)
If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to
take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on
VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea.
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// I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they
wish they were allowed to reply!
Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and
occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to
disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g)
If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to
take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on
VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea.
Do not archive
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Bill Benedict used to post here, as did Scott McDaniels. I think both
of them left because they got tired of being sniped at by people on the
board.
KB
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Collins
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green
// I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that
they wish they were allowed to reply!
Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and
occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to
disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g)
If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time
to take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally
posts on VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great
idea.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Crack |
I have a crack starting on the trailing edge of the rudder
of my RV6. It is about 11=94 down from the top starting at the rivet and
going back. It is about =BD=94 long. I have heard of this before but
does
somebody have a =93simple=94 repair for this. I looked in the archives
but
for some reason did not find anything. You can answer off list.
Dick Dial
jrdial@hal-pc.org
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Not waiting on Bluemountain |
Since I inadvertently started this thread with my "Still waiting on
Bluemountain" comment I thought it only fair that I say that the G4 EFIS
did arrive and it is a impressive piece of work.
Haven't flown it yet but everything appears to work on the bench and so
far I can't confuse the HSI no matter how much I rock & roll the panel.
It took awhile but I think Bluemountain is finally ready for prime time.
The engine pod for the engine monitor is a marvel of installation
simplicity but I miss the user calibration capability that the earlier
models had. You are pretty much stuck using only BMA supplied sensors
with the G4. Maybe they will relent and add this capability in a future
software release.
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with BMA in any way other than as a
customer.
Tracy Crook
RV-4 (steam gauge technology)
RV-8 (BMA glass panel)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Crack |
Various outlets have what are called "click bond patches". I've never
seen one, but my understanding is that they are small patches with a
proprietary adhesive which can be used to create hardpoints for
attaching hardware when there isn't a convenient spot.
Also, they can be used for patches - internal and external.
You should stop drill and deburr the end of the crack before you try the
click bond patch.
Here's a link to one product that might work:
http://www.theflightshop.com/ClickBond/Menu_Click_Patches.php
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: J. R. Dial
To: RV-List
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: Rudder Skin Crack
I have a crack starting on the trailing edge of the rudder
of my RV6. It is about 11" down from the top starting at the rivet and
going back. It is about =BD" long. I have heard of this before but does
somebody have a "simple" repair for this. I looked in the archives but
for some reason did not find anything. You can answer off list.
Dick Dial
jrdial@hal-pc.org
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| Subject: | Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain |
Should have said "can't confuse the artificial horizon" in that last
message. The HSI is mainly driven by the magnetometer when on the
bench. The earths' magnetic field is pretty stable no matter what you
do.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Crook<mailto:lors01@msn.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:Not waiting on Bluemountain
Since I inadvertently started this thread with my "Still waiting on
Bluemountain" comment I thought it only fair that I say that the G4 EFIS
did arrive and it is a impressive piece of work.
Haven't flown it yet but everything appears to work on the bench and
so far I can't confuse the HSI no matter how much I rock & roll the
panel. It took awhile but I think Bluemountain is finally ready for
prime time.
The engine pod for the engine monitor is a marvel of installation
simplicity but I miss the user calibration capability that the earlier
models had. You are pretty much stuck using only BMA supplied sensors
with the G4. Maybe they will relent and add this capability in a future
software release.
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with BMA in any way other than as a
customer.
Tracy Crook
RV-4 (steam gauge technology)
RV-8 (BMA glass panel)
http://www.matronics.nbsp; available via
title=http://forums.matronics.com/
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?RV-List>
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All the better to host their own blog. Moderate the comments, share the
information .
No sniping allowed.
I think it would work
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Boatright
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tom Green
Bill Benedict used to post here, as did Scott McDaniels. I think both of
them left because they got tired of being sniped at by people on the board.
KB
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob <mailto:bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> Collins
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Tom Green
// I know that the guys at Van's read this list, and I'll bet that they
wish they were allowed to reply!
Really? Given the comments I've heard 'em make at the dinners and
occasionally in the RV, it always seemed to me that no opportunity to
disparage the Internet boards was often missed. (g)
If it's true, by the way, they're not allowed to reply, isn't it time to
take the chains off the poor guys? I see that Bruce occasionally posts on
VAF, but it's 2007 and a Van's blog would really be a great idea.
Do not archive
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Crack |
J. R. Dial wrote:
>
>
> I have a crack starting on the trailing edge of the rudder
> of my RV6. It is about 11 down from the top starting at the rivet and
> going back. It is about long. I have heard of this before but does
> somebody have a simple repair for this. I looked in the archives but
> for some reason did not find anything. You can answer off list.
>
> Dick Dial
>
> jrdial@hal-pc.org <mailto:jrdial@hal-pc.org>
Stop drill the crack (make sure you get past the end of the crack when
you drill) with a bit larger bit than you might normally use, spray some
fast-evaporating degreasing cleaner into the void, then force
'electrical grade', 'non-corrosive' silicone caulk into the hole to make
a small internal blob contacting both the rudder skins. That's to reduce
the flexing that causes the crack.
(The 'electrical grade' caulk is to keep someone from telling you that
your rudder is going to dissolve in the acid of regular RTV.) ;-)
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain |
I have also received my G4's. They have been installed and seem to
function properly. Can't wait to see them in the air, should be in the
air in a few weeks.
Paul Rice
RV8
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Crook<mailto:lors01@msn.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re:Not waiting on Bluemountain
Should have said "can't confuse the artificial horizon" in that last
message. The HSI is mainly driven by the magnetometer when on the
bench. The earths' magnetic field is pretty stable no matter what you
do.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Crook<mailto:lors01@msn.com>
To: rv-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List:Not waiting on Bluemountain
Since I inadvertently started this thread with my "Still waiting on
Bluemountain" comment I thought it only fair that I say that the G4 EFIS
did arrive and it is a impressive piece of work.
Haven't flown it yet but everything appears to work on the bench and
so far I can't confuse the HSI no matter how much I rock & roll the
panel. It took awhile but I think Bluemountain is finally ready for
prime time.
The engine pod for the engine monitor is a marvel of installation
simplicity but I miss the user calibration capability that the earlier
models had. You are pretty much stuck using only BMA supplied sensors
with the G4. Maybe they will relent and add this capability in a future
software release.
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with BMA in any way other than as a
customer.
Tracy Crook
RV-4 (steam gauge technology)
RV-8 (BMA glass panel)
http://www.matronics.nbsp; available via
title=http://forums.matronics.com/
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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